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Are you loving or hating Windows 10? Need your feedback

Sep 16, 2016 4:20PM PDT

I'm one of the people who missed the deadline for the free upgrade to Windows 10. Long story short, I procrastinated and was traveling overseas on the expiration date and forgot all about it. Of course, no one to blame but myself. I was planning to wipe my desktop clean and start fresh with Windows 8.1 again, but since I was going through that process, I figured I might as well move on to Windows 10. However, before I go download and pay for it, I'd like to get your opinion on it since many people have been using it for quite some time. Do you love or hate it or are you somewhere in between? Any reason not to upgrade to it? If I do get Windows 10, do you recommend that I do a clean install from scratch, or should I install it directly over Windows 8.1? My system hardware requirements are more than capable of handling 10, and my software programs are fairly current so I'm not worried about the incompatibilities. Thank you for your feedback.

--Submitted by Peter M.

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Subterfuge
Sep 23, 2016 8:17PM PDT

I guess I'm in the middle of the road about Windows 10. I don't really hate it, but I certainly don't love it either. Like thousands of others, Windows "tricked" me into clicking on the upgrade when I was still quite happy with Windows 7. After the upgrade my Internet Explorer wouldn't work-something about the cache that I couldn't fix. I then decided to switch to Chrome-something I probably should have done a long time ago. The Anniversary Update, strangely enough, has helped IE to work much better, but I plan to stay with Chrome.

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Not quite hate but close
Sep 23, 2016 8:22PM PDT

Hated Windows 8.x the UI designed for Microsoft's vision of us all on tablets / touch screens and to hell with the UI we all know.
One system Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10 migration went OK but performance suffers versus the Win 7 Pro install.
I will stick with Windows 7 Pro on my other Windows OS machines after that the move will be to Linux joining their Linux laptop brethren.

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I am loving Windows 10
Sep 23, 2016 8:24PM PDT

I have found this version of Windows very stable and not requiring many updates and fixes.

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Loving it!
Sep 23, 2016 8:31PM PDT

I love Win10 Millenial ( after setting privacy setting correctly) fast boot up compared to when I used Win7Pro than upgraded to Win8/8.1 Pro now on Millenial no complains. But I lost Win Store/ Sync/ Outlook after a recent KB3188128 Security update had to restore from backup image and reinstall KB3188128 in fully wake on instead of unattended till complee (no sleep interruptions). But now OK , I would shudder to think other users who didnt have their backup done because that Security update was automatically installed. Didnt install any third party menu app basically stock but install 360 Anti Virus which is a free ( compared to Avira/ AVG/ Norton free) but very effective and has option to disable any Microsoft services ( especially effecting privacy issues)

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From Win 7 Ult. to Win 10 Pro 1607 update
Sep 23, 2016 8:35PM PDT

I would've been more than satisfied with the home version of both of them, however I wanted to run more RAM(16 GB) with my PC so I had to spend more. Before the decision to upgrade the cancelling of Win Media Center ruined Win 7 for me. Bad choice Microsoft! So after the free upgrade the two major problems that I still have is the email and the positioning of the Microsoft Edge Browser, every time I open the browser it is in a different position and the email has never worked no matter what I've tried. Early this morning I received the Anniversary Update 1607 successfully. My problems are still there but it does not hog the RAM as much. In comparison to XP and Win 7, Win 10 is the better of both and more secure. Now lets get WMC back!

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There are alternatives to WMC.
Sep 30, 2016 3:40PM PDT

Try VLC media player. It is free and it works well.

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/index.html

More times than I care to count Windows Media will refuse to play a video or a sound track due to a bad codec, license infringement, or what have you.

That last straw for me came when a collection of vintage cartoons could not be played because the copy protection had a problem. We are talking about an old collection that cost only a few dollars, and for which copyrights of the original mater had long expired.

VLC had no problem bringing up the video. It also did not try to force me to share my usage information with the publisher or to check on line for information about the DVD. Media Center wants to intrude and to mine data, VLC just works.

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/index.html

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Windows 10
Sep 23, 2016 8:36PM PDT

The question is designed as either-or which puts me in a quandary because I am somewhere in between but, closer to love it.

I resisted downloading it on my old PC running Windows 7 but I had to buy a new computer and it came with Windows 10 so I had to learn its idiosyncrasies. That took me very little time.

Microsoft's Edge browser was the biggest problem but it allows me to do things Internet Explorer and Chrome won't because of ad protection and pop-up blockers.

I'm satisfied with Windows 10. It allows me to do everything I did on Windows 7 and a good bit more.

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Windows 10 OK but Outlook Stinks
Sep 23, 2016 8:41PM PDT

Windows 10 is great except that I had to buy Office 365 and I hate Outlook. I also have a second computer running XP and Outlook Express is a much simpler E-mail program to use. Outlook 2016 is way too complicated.

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Use Office 2007 for Outlook
Sep 24, 2016 9:24AM PDT

Office 2007 is the best for email, especially if you use multiple accounts. You can still open all your inboxes from all accounts from one location. Outlook 2007 is basically as simple as Outlook Express was. Do a little research and you will find that it can be had at a very reasonable price. I have Outlook 2007 through 2013 and I still install 2007 on all of the new computers. In my opinion Microsoft hit the sweet spot with Office 2007 and their efforts to "improve" it has only complicated its use.

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Windows 10
Sep 23, 2016 8:44PM PDT

It is terrible. About 1/3 of my programs no longer worked and there were no patches to make them work. Had an IT guy take me back out if 10. I suppose onwards day I c will have to use it buT not now.

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Upgrades are rarely good, but Win10 from scratch is OK
Sep 23, 2016 8:57PM PDT

I do not believe in upgrades. If your computer came with Win7, stay! I recently got a new Surface Pro 4 (which I love), but Win10 on it is merely OK - meh. (Android and iOS are both better tablet OSs.) But my trusty Win7 desktop is going to stay on Win7 until it dies and I get a new one with Win11. Upgrades are terrible, with losses of devices and even data almost inevitable, plus they are very time-consuming and nerve-wracking.

Biggest Win10 issue is the loss of control over updates. The huge effort that was required to resist forced upgrades to Win10 has left a lot of people not even doing security updates to previous OSs anymore.

The only exception is the poor fools that got stuck with Win8, for whom Win10 actually is an upgrade.

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Loving windows 10
Sep 23, 2016 8:58PM PDT

I believe it was CNET that offered considerable advice about how to address the download process which I found very helpful and carefully followed. Windows 10 took some getting used to but I found it significantly easier to use that 8.1 which I abhorred.
The upgrades since the original version of Windows 10 have been very good and I'm finding that although I'm not an advanced computer techie, I'm able to do everything that I want to on my PC.
One hint to pass on is that since downloading Windows 10 in July 2015, I've been using Google Chrome as a browser; it seems to work better than Internet Explorer. I haven't tried Internet Edge yet because I was initially advised not to because it was suggested that Microsoft needed to do some more work on it.
Perhaps just to put my response in perspective, I should add that I'm a 76 y.o. Senior who didn't start using a computer until approximately 20 years ago.

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What kind of desktop experience do you want?
Sep 23, 2016 9:05PM PDT

Both Windows 8.1 and 10 are based on where Microsoft wants to go, not necessarily where you want to go as a desktop user. Their push for a unified OS across desktops, laptops, tablets and phones means that the classic desktop architecture used since Windows 95 is evolving into a blend of desktop and tablet/phone. If you desire the traditional, non-touchscreen desktop environment, Windows 7 will serve you well until 2020. If you have a touchscreen and/or value things like Apps, Cortana and other typical smartphone/tablet attributes on your desktop then go for Windows 8.1 or 10. There are not a lot of differences between Windows 8.1 and 10 - you lose the Charms Bar and Media Center and gain an improved Start Menu and Cortana with 10. Something to keep in mind is that Windows 10 is very intrusive by default (you can adjust to a degree). If you desire Media Center and wish to minimize the data Microsoft collects, Windows 8.1 may be a better choice.
Both of these newer Operating Systems support a desktop environment, but typically require some effort if you wish to minimize the smartphone/tablet components. This includes using software such as Classic Shell or Start8/10. You can also resurrect Gadgets using 8GadgetPack.
I have not encountered many compatibility issues going from Windows 7 to 8.1 or 10. For those that have occurred, I was able to resolve them using the built in Compatibility settings.
I personally prefer the more traditional desktop environment (I don't want or need a 27 inch smartphone) and try to bury Apps, Cortana and other tablet/phone components to the extent that I can.

I hope this helps and good luck!

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Windows 10
Sep 23, 2016 9:12PM PDT

I like Windows 10, but I'm really irritated at losing Windows Live mail. The outlook mail is exceptionally difficult to figure out.

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Windows 10 is better than 8 but not for all Laptops
Sep 23, 2016 9:14PM PDT

Window 10 seems to be more faster in terms of boot up time, however when tried to upgrade my expensive HP Envy17 i7 (2nd Gen,8gb Ram, 2gb Graphic) LL208EA#ABV, it started Heating up and when called HP support they said that HP has not endorsed this Laptop for Window 10 and cannot support. Hence I had no option but to go back from 10 to Windows 7.

I believe OS needs to be sleek and fast and backward compatible, which is completely not happening in Windows 10. So Window 7 would be my ideal choice in this case at least my laptop remains cool, if not fast.

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Ditched it, and life is much better
Sep 23, 2016 9:18PM PDT

Installed W10 Pro on a machine. At first I was impressed, worked pretty well, I could maintain it easily.

Then stuff started happening. Knowing Windows has a well deserved track record of messing up computers, I delayed Updates as long as possible. Then after the update, settings were changed back to automatic. Then updates started screwing things up. Sound card drivers, webcam, then the big one. Ethernet card driver. Just hilarious when it tells you your ethernet driver isn't working, so connect to the internet.

And I'm not the only one who has had issues. A machine that works one day, is stopped in it tracks the next. Brittle and unreliable.

Meanwhile, I have a Windows 7 Pro install I'm running in bootcamp on a Mac that has had 100 percent uptime, mostly because I could pick and choose updates, and since not much in the way of updates are coming our way now.

I'm using my computers, my goal in life is not troubleshooting or getting my jollies off of just getting the thing to work, then getting it to work again after updates.

As so many fans say - "It's your fault, you are doing something wrong". Okay, I just moved back to a OS where I don't do those things wrong.

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You can still get it for free
Sep 23, 2016 9:27PM PDT

If you say you use the "assistive technologies", you can still get it for free.

https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-windows-10-free-upgrade-offer-assistive-features/

Is it unethical and cheating if you don't need a big magnifier? IMHO, it's pretty low on the dishonesty scale especially since you qualified and just missed an arbitrary dateline. You're not cheating Bill Gates out of anything he wasn't willing to give you anyway. As a Microsoft shareholder, you have my permission Wink

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I am loving it
Sep 23, 2016 9:31PM PDT

I am really loving its boot up speed and the metro UI.

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A real mixed bag
Sep 23, 2016 9:39PM PDT

I updated from Windows 7 Home via Microsoft download. The original install went smoothly enough. Within a couple of weeks, I started getting driver-related crashes - lots of them. Like one every 3-4 minutes. The message varied. A driver updating program fixed most of those problems. Then, a couple of weeks later, my mouse pointer and start menu disappeared completely. Like the first one, another "common problem" that Microsoft was "working on". The latest incident: The power went off while my computer was powered up. Windows said that it would fix the problem automatically - except that it didn't. I was prompted to select a keyboard language for setup. Seems simple enough - except that the USB ports had been disabled and it was impossible to get any input from either the keyboard or the mouse. Another "common problem", I was assured. I got out of it by making a Windows 10 boot stick, resetting the search order on the BIOS and going from there. Otherwise, my computer would be a rather bulky doorstop.

The OS itself seems to work fine. I'm just left to wonder when the next disabling event will come calling, and how many days of research it will take for me to fix it.

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Installed it as soon as I could, got rid of it as faster.
Sep 23, 2016 9:41PM PDT

It was a free OS OMG yes I will so grab this puppy can't wait. I have been a MS user since Dos days.Paid for them all (so they kinda owe me one right?) as so as I saw the icon I was all over it. And here it was like a birthday present, all ready for me to open.

And I tore into it,with both hands. and boy was I disappointed. Software I didn't want,Programs I had wouldn't work. I couldn't find Windows programs that I needed. Everything was chaos.

Noting wanted to work the way I needed it to. Printer nope, second monitor nope, wireless keyboard nope.

So pulled out old wired keyboard and went to work on getting back to Win 7. And hoping all would be ok. And most of my things were good somethings needed to be reinstalled.

So Win 7 I am sticking with, for now. I'll wait for Win 11 or 12.

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Windows 11 or 12?
Sep 24, 2016 10:23PM PDT

Microsoft has said that Windows 10 is the last version of Windows you will ever need. Never mind that it has an end of support date, it is the last Windows I will ever need.

Maybe they realize that a good number of people will not like the its poor performance, it's privacy violations, it's post-update failures, and the like. For them, Windows 10 could well be the last version of Windows they use.

The Mac is expensive but extremely reliable. A number of Linux distros are quite good but they are not for everyone. If Apple produced a Business Mac with reduced graphic capabilities and a lower price tag they might have a hot seller on their hands. It is difficult to justify the purchase of one Mac laptop with a small screen when you can buy two Dells or HPs for the same price or less, and they will have larger screens.

If you are a heavy Office user there is one fly in the ointment for a Mac conversion. The mac versions of Office programs are not the same as the Windows versions and their files are not always fully compatible. My wife and I used to run into problems with Mac files when we were doing editing on a large scale. Many offices use Publisher and Access, which are not available on the Mac. Where my wife is working now that would be a show stopper for a proposed Mac conversion.

Our two Windows 7 desktops are 3 and 4 years old. By the time support for Windows 7 has ceased we will be looking for new systems. Our next operating system will definitely be a "Ten". The only question is whether that will be an Arabic 10 or a Roman 10 (X).

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Windows 10 Is The Best Windows Version
Sep 23, 2016 9:46PM PDT

I've had Windows 10 since the first release in August, 2015. I am one of those people who got the free versions, not just in one computer but with 4 of them, a Desktop and a Laptop with Windows 10 Pro and 2 Laptops with Windows 10 Home Premium. Last year I had issues with my Desktop but they were resolved with updates. This year the only issue that I had was the Printer Driver Update Error 0x80240017 which I was able to fix myself. If you happen to get this error, it is easy to fix. I posted a step by step video on how to resolve it on YouTube.

Before I upgraded to Windows 10, I had Windows 7 in 4 of my computers. I had Ultimate, Professional and Home Premium Versions. Before Windows 10's Release, Windows 7 was the best Windows Version out there. I was hesitant to upgrade at first but once everything was setup, I noticed that Windows 10 is better than what I had even with issues on my Desktop which is my Main Computer.

I have 8 videos on Windows 10 in YouTube. Here is the link to my Technology Playlist if you'd like to see them: xxxx://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLL7vu6Jj2SjETuxVcDGcJUGDDeM2igmqI
Maybe these videos can help you make up your mind.

What's nice about Microsoft is that they have an excellent Technical Support. It doesn't matter if your version is free or paid. They don't discriminate unlike the other software companies. It is not just an Online Support. They have Technicians that will call you and walk you through if you are having some problems that you can't handle. You just have to know where to go to get that support.

They also have a Community which I am a member of. If you have any problems, just go to the Microsoft Community and ask for answers to your issues.

I hope this helps!

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Post was last edited on September 25, 2016 12:02 PM PDT

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Yes, they call you ...
Sep 25, 2016 11:52AM PDT

I also get frequent calls from "Microsoft technicians" that are concerned about my Windows problems and want to walk me through the solution. They all call me cold (without me having asked for them) and speak very interesting sounding foreign accents and usually put down the phone rather hastily when I ask them which of my computers they picked up the problem on.

Something tells me they aren't from Microsoft at all ... Now yours may be genuine, but I think it is only fair to let people know that if you just won't go on the websites with the drive-by virus drops and just won't go on the websites their phishing mails want to send you to and just won't open the attachments, now matter how urgent they make it sound - then they now call you directly to make sure you do install that malware they so badly need to get at your money and your secrets. And if you open your machine up for distance support they will even install that malware for you.

You now have been warned.

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Problems with windows 10
Sep 23, 2016 9:59PM PDT

I guess I'm one of those unlucky individuals regarding windows 10. I started receiving the suggestions that I download this pile of updates to ready my computer for windows 10 from windows 7. I found I couldn't download the majority of them no matter what I tried. I remember fooling around with 18 security updates. They wouldn't install as a group; they wouldn't install individually; they wouldn't install if I tried the ones with minimum material. Presently , I still have over a dozen that won't download. These were listed as being for windows 10, but I don't know if they are really for only windows 7, At one time earlier in the year I had all the necessary windows 7 updates. The computer used the "test" that Microsoft sent to verify if your computer has the hardware necessary. It stated that mine did. I downloaded a few windows programs for fixing problem updates, and making them download. That was a joke. The computer has slowed down considerably. Tested for viruses, malware etc, using malware bytes, Superantispyware, and others. No problem junk in the system. Because of the way, the downloads were defined, I don't know which ones could be removed safely, since windows 10 may have to remain on the outside, looking in. Microsoft may have the idea that everyone has to use their stuff. Friends, I'm here to tell them, I can turn the computer off permanently at any time with less than 1 hours notice. There nothing here I absolutely have to use. This has been a really big mess. I have spent over 15 hours in 15 minute - to 1 hour sessions, trying to get this done. It's still a long way off, for me. I get the distinct feeling that Microsoft has deteriorated as a company, as their problems just keep getting worse, and they seem to distance themselves in giving you an answer to your problems. It always refers you to another notice.

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Windows 10 is the best one yet!
Sep 23, 2016 10:00PM PDT

I've used Windows 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, XP, Win 7 & Windows 10. Windows 10 is the best by far, unless you want to play 10 year old games. I've been using Windows 10 Home 64 bit for 11 months now and I find it operates wonderfully. I don't get the rare BSOD that I did in Win 7. I can add to the start menu or the panes where programs go that you want to access quickly. As far as the updates go, you can still select to let you know that there are new downloads waiting to be installed. So you can de-select the M.S. patches you don't want to install. Plus I can be surfing the net in less than 30 seconds from a cold start. Microsoft did do a good job at speeding up the boots and shut downs too! It operates daily with nary ever a problem. I even installed the anniversary update without a problem. You can even right click and get a command prompt.

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REALLY! 30 Seconds?
Sep 25, 2016 7:19AM PDT

Try turning off Fast Startup in the power management section of the Settings Ape, then see how fast it boots.
Windows ten has a "hybrid shut down" feature that is on by default. It's setup to save the Windows configuration as though no programs are running. In fact, the only way to even have a multi-boot configuration is to turn off Fast Startup, otherwise, your machine will ONLY boot to Windblows 10.
My experience with Windblows 10 is that with fast startup working, it booted up in about 45 seconds, but with it turned off, it took over 2 minutes to boot, or about the same time that Win7 took.

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No Regrets
Sep 23, 2016 10:15PM PDT

I was nervous about moving to Win 10. What compatibility issues would I have? What if the process messed up somewhere and the machine was unbootable? Not to worry: the process was automatic, smooth, fast and worked without a hitch. A couple of programs I used to work with were removed as not being compatible, but it was no big loss. The major ones I use (Finale 2012, Office 2010) are working fine. What's really great is how Windows handles all my wireless printers so well. Win 10 boots fast and crashes are almost unknown. I thought the free upgrade is still available if you use the handicapped route. Maybe not. As someone who started with Windows when it was a DOS based package, I've seen it mature into a powerful OS. I use it on my laptops, desktop and Surface with no regrest.

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Too much cloud
Sep 23, 2016 10:28PM PDT

It seems to work without many hangups so far, and that is very pleasant. Programs now seen to be called apps now, not just for the tablet or phone. It does seem to want to slow down a bit already though.

However, I just don't need so much web. I sign in and it chastises me for not being online. It has plenty of memory, so why do I need go online for much, when my phone does that just fine?

I can't run older programs I need, so I need to find an older computer or try to register an old OS on a new or partitioned computer and I'm over my head. I'm a little frustrated.

And why can't I find Outlook? I can't sync my calendar without outlook unless I park my life on the cloud.

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Hate it
Sep 23, 2016 10:29PM PDT

Unlike many of the others responding here, I received a new HP laptop with Windows 10 for Christmas. I would not have purchased this computer for myself, but a gift is a gift so I have been using it for almost 10 months. The specs (quad core with plenty of memory) are good but Windows 10 is extremely slow. It does updates and performs background tasks without my authorization or letting me know it's downloading or installing something. That slows the system to the point that it won't respond to mouse or keystrokes. It keeps trying to connect through a proxy server (which causes a can't connect to web page type of error) instead of the autodetect that I use on the other computers. I keep changing it to AutoDetect which corrects the problem but the next day it boots up with the proxy server enabled again. It's very frustrating. Now my Bluetooth adapter which has worked fine for the last 3 or 4 months stopped working. I reinstalled the driver and it crashed the system with the message that the adapter could not work in a USB 3.0 port but it was actually in a USB 2.0 port. I have 3 Windows 8.1 laptops and 2 Windows 7 laptops and NONE of them will be updated to Windows 10 as long as I'm still breathing.

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Installed, computer crashed, reverted to Win 8.1.....
Sep 23, 2016 10:36PM PDT

I installed Windows 10 shortly after it came out, and was disappointed. Not only couldn't I use my preferred browser (Chrome) other non-Microsoft software wouldn't load. My computer crashed shortly afterwards and I asked for Win 8.1 to be installed when it was fixed.
Just before the free download ended, I decided to try Windows 10 again, and this time I'm very happy with it. All of my preferred software runs on it, and my computer loads faster than ever. I prefer it to Windows 8.1.
A word of warning however, it is best to untick the box that allows updates to be installed from other computer systems not necessarily Microsoft's, that is a sure way to inherit viruses/malware. We can't control what other users allow to run rampant on their systems, so it is preferable to always download updates from Microsoft itself.