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Are you loving or hating Windows 10? Need your feedback

Sep 16, 2016 4:20PM PDT

I'm one of the people who missed the deadline for the free upgrade to Windows 10. Long story short, I procrastinated and was traveling overseas on the expiration date and forgot all about it. Of course, no one to blame but myself. I was planning to wipe my desktop clean and start fresh with Windows 8.1 again, but since I was going through that process, I figured I might as well move on to Windows 10. However, before I go download and pay for it, I'd like to get your opinion on it since many people have been using it for quite some time. Do you love or hate it or are you somewhere in between? Any reason not to upgrade to it? If I do get Windows 10, do you recommend that I do a clean install from scratch, or should I install it directly over Windows 8.1? My system hardware requirements are more than capable of handling 10, and my software programs are fairly current so I'm not worried about the incompatibilities. Thank you for your feedback.

--Submitted by Peter M.

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Neutral
Sep 26, 2016 12:10PM PDT

I can't see all the to do about nothing.....maybe a different setup, but I can't see where it is any better than Windows 7. I don't do anything fancy on my computers, maybe that's why. It seems harder to select, view, delete files to me....too many steps to go through for regular things that seemed simpler on Windows 7....I sure wouldn't have purchased it!!!!

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It appears that you have not yet mastered "the beast within"
Sep 26, 2016 8:00PM PDT

Managing files is no different in Win 10 than it was in 7 or XP...There are a number of tweaks you can do in "folder options" to make your files more accessible such as: unchecking the option to hide the extensions and setting "details" as the default folder view...

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Funny you should touch on that ...
Sep 27, 2016 5:56AM PDT

... but I have tried in vain to find the place where you can change all those settings - all the way up to Win7 I had no trouble with that, then in 8.x they hid it away very efficiently. I had been hoping that with Win10 they would bring some of the things back to where one would be likely to look for them, going by past experience ...

You know, our learning curve in the past was/is an investment that a vendor like Microsoft should actually gratefully acknowledge and not trash by - on a whim - changing everything around. I kind of expect the developers hiding behind trees and snickering as tehy watch us struggle with this.

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File Explorer Options
Sep 30, 2016 3:12AM PDT

At the Start type File Ex and select File Explorer Options. It can also be reached from the old style Control Panel

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No "File Explorer Options" option ...
Sep 30, 2016 4:36PM PDT

Failed to find "File Explorer Options" from the "Search" window at the Start button. I do all my file options changes from "Control Panel -> Folder Options -> View" tab. Could this be a difference between my Win7 Home Premium and other Win7 versions?

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Unhiding system and hidden files in Win7 and Win10
Sep 30, 2016 12:43AM PDT

Windows gurus get extremely upset if they find out you are unhiding any hidden files. I got royally chewed for complaining about the reveal of a number of read-only filenames that are identical to user filenames, at least in Windows 7. They said I was certain to destroy my Windows installation - which hasn't happened once for me since Windows 3.

They also explained that the removal of the Network Activity Indicator that came with Win XP was for my own good - that the indicator was only a distraction and should not ever be used.
Well, I continue to unhide every file I can on my Win 7 desktop, and I have a third-party network activity indicator that lets me know when a download OR upload is tying up my internet connection excessively; and also makes me wonder what my PC is doing in the background when I am not actively downloading or uploading anything.

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my bad- wrong terminology
Sep 30, 2016 4:39PM PDT

In my first paragraph, above, instead of "filenames" I should have said "folder names."

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My experience . . . .
Sep 26, 2016 12:19PM PDT

I had Windows 8.1 and then I was hickjacked into upgrading to Windows 10. . . . I wanted to wait (as is my pattern for everyone to get the bugs out). I did not pay attention to those snarky messages urging me to update and missed the one that said it would autoinstall on such-and-such date. I was 4% into the update when I realized what was happening. Then the lack of a current backup hit and I hit speed-dial for my TechGuy. Well . . . he said . . . "you don't want to cancel or terminate it now." I was distraught . . . that's an acceptable word.
Anyway . . . . I did learn after it was finished downloading that all my files, programs, etc., were just as I left them. Whew. I called my TechGuy back and he said . . . great! . . . any problems with the download? I said no, why? He said he had some awful issues with some clean installs.
This all gets back to your questions: Yes, I do like Windows 10 (though I do not use WinEdge as an internet browser). Everything else seems to work fine. And the Clean install issues may be problematic, but you need to discuss that with your TechGuy. Hope my experience is helpful.

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windows love it or leave it
Sep 26, 2016 12:21PM PDT

I have five computers all running windows 10. Had no real issues other than updates. I do not like the information that gets stored by Microsoft. They are getting way to personal. I have one computer running linux which I keep for training in linux. I have never got a virus or pop up advertisement on this machine. Of course you do not play games on this computer. Most games are windows supported. I really loved windows 7. The new update for windows 10 just blew away lots of apps that where supported. I hate that windows 10 is so advertisement bound.
Their sync really sucks. my emails on a more business like machine and my personal machine are synced like it or not. I pay Microsoft for my Hotmail account, which changed to Office, without choice nothing Microsoft has works unless you use your email Password, or should I say Microsoft password. They want to sync my phone, but thanks to android they can't.

All said and done Microsoft take windows 10 and shove it.

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All you need to do is stop "drinking the kool-ade"
Sep 26, 2016 8:15PM PDT

There is absolutely zero reason why anyone has to log into an MS account in order to use Win 10, unless you're one of the suckers who bought into Office 365 scam perpetrated by MS...Just buy Office once and be done with it

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Win 10 great until now
Sep 26, 2016 1:29PM PDT

26sep16
In the last 6 months I upgraded to Win 10 on 8 PC's. I was very happy until last week.
1. Windows 10 Defender: It stopped updating on one of the PC's and is acting like it allowed a virus to infect it. Unfortunately Win 10 Defender will not run if active anti-virus, anti-spyware, and anti-malware aps are active. As required, I uninstalled all of them. Sadly I also uninstalled Hitman Pro, which is inactive unless a scan is started.
To find a fix I went to:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/protect_defender?auth=1
and found a storm of frustration and very few successful fixes. None of the fixes worked for me.
Not only do I rely on CNET for reviews, problems, and fixes, but I also subscribe to Windows Secrets. Their 22sep Newsletter says Defender is average for security. In the Newsletter is also "The ultimate security-tools list" with links.
My plan is to reinstall Hitman Pro. Hopefully its scan will yield the culprit and I can get rid of it.
2. Internet: On three PC's, periodically, the internet can not be accessed at start-up. The fix is to shut down, count 15, unplug power, count 15, plug in, start the PC. Repeat if not fixed.
dumb45238

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I Barely Use It Now...
Sep 26, 2016 10:39PM PDT

I enjoyed for a time using windows 8 - I liked the new interface and was great on the Surface Pro 3 I have. I was an insider and ready to move onto Windows 10. I took the leap and enjoyed it for a time, but it kept having numerous issues with account credentials. It occurred with multiple accounts and Microsoft had no answer on how to fix it. I also didn't like the forced updates. When I first used Windows 10, I definitely told people it was good. Now, I don't. I still use it some and I don't completely hate it. But when you have to keep verifying your credentials to use apps, even mail has problems...then the forced updates and data they collect, it all makes me weary of it. I understand from an IT perspective, forced updates can be a great idea. As a user I want the option to wait before I update. Also, when I used it on my computers, it would keep adding new devices. For example, it would keep adding the same Surface Pro over and over, eventually hitting my maximum amount of devices per account. I'd have to go in and delete some of the devices. I also have grown tired of the tiled interface. I think it's very good attempt at a hybrid OS.
I will note though, my wife hasn't been having all of these issues on her account with her laptop, so it's only certain accounts. I found others that have had the same problem, but I think the majority haven't.
Seeing how controlling MS has become, I see subscription service OS as the future, just as office is moving In that direction. Linux and VM is nice, but definitely isn't very good for touch interfaces like the Surface or any other hybrids and tablets out there. Cosmetically, Windows 10 is nice and I do think they have done a great job, but it's mostly not for me anymore
I'm a decades long Microsoft IT type of guy, so it's strange that that I'm moving away from Windows now.

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No compelling reason
Sep 27, 2016 6:11AM PDT

I converted all my machines to Windows 10. Should not have done so, except for the computer that came with Windows 8. There is no compelling reason to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 until the end of life of Windows 7 in 2020. I have come across many of the problems mentioned in the other responses here. Not a happy camper for sure. Too late to go back to Windows 7 on my computers now. Sad

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NO, there isn't
Sep 30, 2016 6:37PM PDT

.... but if you have the installation media for those Win7 machines, you CAN go back, but it will wipe out the whole drive. Don't forget to BACKUP everything first, and you'll need to turn off "fast start up" under power management, so you'll be able to boot from the CD/DVD drive.

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One aspect that we have left out so far ...
Sep 27, 2016 6:28AM PDT

... is this:
If you are really burning to share all your seccrets with the world out there there are many free-of-charge options - Facebook, Google, Amazon, and - last but not least - the NSA. (Oops - that last one is not for free - it is eating up your tax dollar, at least if you are a US tax payer.)

So, why on earth pay for this feature? If you got WIndows 10 for free and you have a data plan that allows you unlimited (as opposed to "uncapped") bandwidth then it doesn't really matter, I guess. But pay for it? Give a company like Microsoft money for the service that you can get elsewhere for free?

And if you really want your machine messed up - stay with XP and visit as many questionable web sites as possible, or open all the unknown email attachments you can get, and very soon you will have malware taking care of that problem at no extra charge ... you really don't have to pay Microsoft for that.

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As a security risk
Sep 27, 2016 6:26PM PDT

...WinXP really isn't one as of yet. You can still get updated Anti-Virus/Anti-Malware programs that run without issues for XP, as well as third-party firewalls. As long as you use these and a third-party browser, and DON'T EVER use Idiot Exploiter (and obviously stay away from questionable web sites) you'll be fine. I've never had my PC's infected by viruses before, or since support for XP was dropped.

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Want my Logitech camera back!!!
Sep 27, 2016 8:10AM PDT

I actually like Win 10 a lot until the Anniversary version rolled out and broke my Logitech camera. So I can't use my facial recognition software any more either. Is this not one of the "stupidest" things they have ever done? How long have these guys been creating an OS?
Can you say DUH?

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Hate it!
Sep 27, 2016 10:36AM PDT

Each update brings new unwelcome surprises. The latest broke all the old windows games and the system keeps trying to change the default aps to microsoft products. As a user you get less control with each step. Last windows machine I will buy for sure.

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Windows 10 is ok but.......
Sep 27, 2016 6:15PM PDT

I had 8.1 on my computer and then did the upgrade to 10. Saw a little difference between 8.1 and 10 and was satisfied. But within the last week there was a update to 10. Thought it was just a security update so I let it install. Did not realize to it was a 10gb update! When I turned on the computer it kept telling me that I was signed into Skype. I do not keep Skype on when I don't use it and made sure it was not on.

My point is 10gb is a lot and god knows what bloatware or wutever else was in the update.

Here is link to "Everything You Need to Disable in Windows 10":

http://windows.wonderhowto.com/how-to/everything-you-need-disable-windows-10-0163552/

Here is a link to "How to Easily Remove Bloatware for Windows 10":

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/easily-remove-bloatware-windows-10/

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Loving it
Sep 27, 2016 11:45PM PDT

I'm Loving it Grin

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Windows 10 - My experience
Sep 28, 2016 2:23AM PDT

Hate it.
As a gamer, I have had many problems particularly with the wifi (I know it's less than ideal for gaming). However I had no issues with Windows 8.1 but ever since the Windows 10 upgrade, persistent lag, dropouts disconnects.

Then looking at the functionality and it's "windows knows best" setup. There are always updates being pushed through, first thing is that user has to enable the restore, so i did this on a recent restart of windows to try and fix these wifi problems. Before the system restart I enabled the system restore for future safety, skip forward to this month yesterdays update (Action Centre), now my wifi even cuts out during meetings on google hangouts, so I try for system restore, low and behold! the system restore is disabled again with my previous one gone.

Windows 10, has been a disaster for me. Even if there could be problems I might resolve by restoring, windows removed the restore.
It is extremely hard to restore, change options, turn functionality off/on. Functionally it seems to be pushing a lot of ease of life functions such as wifi discovery, or searching wifi every 30 seconds (whatever that function is called), all of these things actually impact PC performance for the worse.

Sorry for the rant, but for me this nightmare has me pulling my hair out.

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ReplyAre you loving or hating Windows 10? Need your feedback
Sep 29, 2016 8:33AM PDT

I like some things about Windows 10 but there is one thing I HATE about it ! I hate that it has File Explorer arranged with what THEY THINK I want. And I don't want that way. I want to arrange and see and access ONLY what I happen to want. Oh, if only I were a programmer - or at least knew how to hide or delete things. Unfortunately, I know next to nothing about the "mechanics" of how a file system works or how to change it. I tried contacting a "Windows Forum" but the responder merely made fun of me.

If you -or anyone who may read this knows how to get into a registry (or whatever you have to get into) and delete everything from the File Explorer except C:/ please please please tell me. I don't want "Quick Access". I don't want "One Drive". I don't want "This PC". I want my hard drive and only that - because I only want my required program files on my hard drive. I have an external hard drive for EVERYTHING ELSE.

I thank you first for posting this questions and then you and anyone else that will repond.

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In the past, maybe now too....
Sep 29, 2016 12:19PM PDT
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REPLY In the past, maybe now too....
Sep 29, 2016 1:05PM PDT

Thank you for responding and thank you for trying to help me out. I don't know how to add a switch. I don't know where the Explorer icon link is either. I wanted to make clear in my initial post that I am not computer savvy but I didn't explain that thoroughly I think. I apologize, but thank you again.

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anything you clk on to open the file explorer...
Sep 29, 2016 6:34PM PDT
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Running smoothly
Sep 29, 2016 11:55AM PDT

I installed Windows 10 over Windows 7 on both of our laptops and have not had any trouble at all. I've also installed Windows 10 over Seven on a friend's computer which has also never caused any problems. I can't fault Windows 10, it's been good to me.

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No Plans on Switching to Win 10 Yet
Sep 29, 2016 2:41PM PDT

I usually don't migrate to a new Windows OS until the one I have is "dead" and unsupported - and even then I may run it a little longer. I'm currently running Windows 7 Professional 64-bit on two desktop systems (one work, one home) and Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit on a laptop. Both home systems came with Windows 10 installed and licensed & Windows 7 the active OS. When I'm ready to go to Win10, it's an easy cutover, but that will not happen until I'm good and ready. Me, resistant to change? You betcha! Been bitten too many times. I ran the legs off of Win 3.1 and 95... and XP come to think of it - all were long-gone before I switched to the next newer OS. It is not my intention to be a "proving ground" for software vendors since my time is very valuable to me.

Thanks to all those who commented on their Win 10 experience. I'll take it into consideration when getting much closer to the inevitable cutover.

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It was free!
Sep 30, 2016 6:47AM PDT

Ok, I'm cheap. I upgraded from W7 because W10 was free. I built my computer using xp (based on the advice of a store clerk) for moderate gaming, back in 2007. Since the W10 have had some problems, like I have to sign out before I put it to sleep; that helped eliminate my automatic reboots.

I also had a problem of some regular and intermittent buzzing coming from the desktop; almost like the computer was trying to do something repeatedly but couldn't. I think it had to do with the windows search index, but not sure. I had done some tinkering with startups (enable/disable) so don't know how that affected things. Also my processor (dual core 2.6ghz) was frequently at or near 100% whenever I used chrome.

After the upgrade to the newest version W10 the computer runs like a new one. The processor rarely is at 100%, and then only briefly, and I almost never hear the short buzz that used to occur.

It took over 3hrs to get the upgrade but it was worth it.

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(NT) It was free? ... yes, but then ,,,
Sep 30, 2016 7:00AM PDT
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Let me try again ... it was free for you ...
Sep 30, 2016 7:10AM PDT

... but the OP was specifcally asking (since he missed the "free windows" window of opportunity) if it would be worth the money for him. In your opinion, would it?

In mine not.

The other question in this kind of discussion is this:

If something is offered "for free" but you are "paying with your marketable personal data" what is the value of that price (pain to you and/or benefit to others) and is it then worth it?

I hear lots of stories about people whose public exposure has given them lots more grief than the perceived benefits of the free service could possibly be worth. Others again would not be what they are without this exposure. Difficult one, that ...

The bottom line could be: If I want my privacy invaded I can have it done for free and don't have to pay someone for the tools that it requires ...