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Are you loving or hating Windows 10? Need your feedback

Sep 16, 2016 4:20PM PDT

I'm one of the people who missed the deadline for the free upgrade to Windows 10. Long story short, I procrastinated and was traveling overseas on the expiration date and forgot all about it. Of course, no one to blame but myself. I was planning to wipe my desktop clean and start fresh with Windows 8.1 again, but since I was going through that process, I figured I might as well move on to Windows 10. However, before I go download and pay for it, I'd like to get your opinion on it since many people have been using it for quite some time. Do you love or hate it or are you somewhere in between? Any reason not to upgrade to it? If I do get Windows 10, do you recommend that I do a clean install from scratch, or should I install it directly over Windows 8.1? My system hardware requirements are more than capable of handling 10, and my software programs are fairly current so I'm not worried about the incompatibilities. Thank you for your feedback.

--Submitted by Peter M.

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Not bad
Sep 24, 2016 7:19AM PDT

Way better than Windows 8, but still below Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit to me.

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I Do Not Like Windows 10
Sep 24, 2016 7:19AM PDT

I Do Not Like Windows 10 & prefer Windows 7 that only needed upgrades. I do not like it's look.

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Reply
Sep 24, 2016 8:04AM PDT

Unfortunately MS has decided that W7 will get the same treatment on updates that W10 got
( Starting in Oct. ).
Probably because it has worked so well, LOL, NOT!!!!!
That way they can screw up the updates and make unworkable W7 computers just like W10 and they can convince you that W10 is the way to go since they have soooooo many copys of W10 available.
Although I still use Windows, I'm extremely disappointed in MS's "new" business plan that put's company over end user.
To put it in another prospective, you sell a product that you continually break all the time for a large number of people that buy/use your product and the older model product that you sold
( with a "supposed" warranty until 2020 ) isn't making you money so you just break it to force a new product on the consumer whether they like it or not and whether it works well for you or not.
That's quite a business model but I guess it keep's the economy moving at the expense of all the consumer's that use your product.

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Updates
Sep 24, 2016 8:46AM PDT

Another reason for their changes to updating is that there are people who don't know what they are doing and decide to not do any updates "because it causes problems", then complain when their system crashes with problems due to security issues or incompatibilities with other programs. Overall, it's generally better to do the updates if you aren't a tech whiz. If you have business systems that are running specialized or custom software, then you should be running the professional version of OS, where you can control updates and you better be good at tech support. I am a tech guy, but I have always allowed updates on my computers and I have used all versions of Windows, and rarely have I had a problem. I know it happens, but it's blown of of proportion compared to the millions of computers that didn't have any problems.

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Right
Sep 25, 2016 7:32AM PDT

"I know it happens, but it's blown of of proportion compared to the millions of computers that didn't have any problems."
That's a great theory unless you are the people that DO have problems and an unworkable computer after MS makes a "Mistake" on the patch's ( and there have been many ).
Up until this coming Oct., you could just wait and see what caused problems and avoid it until it is fixed. That will no longer be possible unless you avoid the packaged updates altogether, which unfortunately will be the case with many.
As to me, this new update procedure will put me behind on updates for at least a month while I wait to see what the results are. Since MS is going to the "Rollup" model there isn't much info on what they are actually installing for updates. That sucks IMHO.

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Its a matter of taste and previous experience
Sep 24, 2016 7:51AM PDT

My take is windows 10 is generally a reasonable usable version of windows. Certainly a lot better than 8/8.1 for desktops & laptops. I still probably prefer 7, but not enough to not use 10. There are some horror stories about upgrading (I have encountered a number of problems myself upgrading customers machines) but mostly the upgrade works well. Most of my customers are older people (even older than me) which means the biggest turn-off for most of them is the changes in interface that Microsoft insist on doing. They're even at it in this 'final' version of windows that is 10 - the anniversary upgrade changes the start menu, for no good reason I could see. I think a lot of people would agree that generally windows XP was liked, vista was not, 7 was, 8/8.1 was not. I think 10 will be - unless in future upgrades they make too many unnecessary interface changes. The original questioner is on 8.1 - so I would say unequivocally that its worth upgrading to 10 (and I would do the upgrade if my current system was set up as i wanted , rather than a clean install.) If the questioner was on 7 I'd say keep it for a few more years. Btw - isn't there an article elsewhere on Cnet telling you how its still possible to get the upgrade free?

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I agree
Sep 24, 2016 8:12AM PDT

I didn't mention that most of my customers are older than me, and I'm 69. Yes, they don’t like change (interface), but when I show them that the biggest change is "settings" which better organized and more user friendly, it's easier to swallow. Plus showing them the easy shortcut to the control panel as as many other of the older setting screens which are with in the control panel, they can choose the old way or the new way, they agree it's not so bad. Many of my users never make changes to the Settings, so when I set them up with the usual icons on the screen, they forget that they are using Win 10. When I show them that I can set their computer to never reboot after updating until middle of the night, they appreciate it. The biggest objectors are the people who don't understand anything about computers and don't ask for help, just complain about not liking Win 10.

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Settings Ape
Sep 24, 2016 10:39AM PDT

The only reason the settings ape is "better organized" is the fact that Microsoft removed quite a lot of settings. Too bad that the missing settings aren't still in the Control Panel any more either!

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Worked fine until latest update
Sep 24, 2016 7:56AM PDT

Waited until a few days before the free offer expired in July. Was very concerned to install over WIN 7 Ultimate which worked fine, but did so anyway. Very surprised, it went very smoothly. Had to get used to new interface but my old desktop came up as it used to appear so I was comfortable. Have to admit, I had no problem except required a new printer driver which was no big deal. HOWEVER, Wednesday morning, 9-21, my computer showed that it had been updated and it was frozen until I rebooted. Fortunately, everything came back and worked fine after the reboot. But now, every morning for the past 3 days, I have to reboot my computer from scratch because I always had been leaving it on over night so that it is available first thing in the morning, The screen is where I left it the previous evening but when I click on anything, all I get is the blue rotating circle. I let that run for 30 minutes to see if it will respond but it doesn't. So I have to reboot again. Does anyone know how to turn off the auto update function? This situation really is forcing me to go back to WIN 7 which I can because I cloned my system using Acronis before I went to WIN 10. I don't know what they did in that latest update but it sure screwed me up.

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Don't leave it on overnight
Sep 24, 2016 8:27AM PDT

It never a good idea to leave your computer on overnight. You wear out the fans, suck in addional dust, and if you get a bad electrical storm it might get damaged (higher risk than turning it off). In your case of freezing it could be a hardware driver that needs to be updated (video card is good possibility). It could be a hardware problem that coincidentally showed up when you upgraded and will still be there if you downgraded. It's better to solve the problem than give up.

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@G_Kruger, powering off won't save your computer
Sep 24, 2016 8:43AM PDT

Back in the days when power switches actually broke the power connection, turning a computer off during electrical storms would save it. But todays devices don't brake the power. They just go into a "power-off" which actually leaves them still connected. If you live in a city, your supply power lines are undoubtedly protected by municipal-supplied lightning arrestors (look on power poles nearby). But if you live in a rural area, you need to add lightning arrestors to your house's electrical distribution panel -- power conditioners in line with the computer will protect against short brownouts, but direct (or induced) surges are beyond the capability of such devices. ...Of course, you could always pull the plug.

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Being current is worth the upgrade ???
Sep 24, 2016 7:59AM PDT

I never got to read the post with the headline "Being current is worth the upgrade." - The link gave me a 404.

But I still need to take exception with the sentiment in that headline.

A while ago some vondor's marketing folks came up with the expression "leading edge" for users that upgrade promptly when something new comes out - back in the days when you had to take a conscious decision and then act on it to get a new version of anything. Today, as was discussed here in much detail, you don't need to do anything; in fact, it isn't clear if you can do anything to stop the upgrades.

But you know of course, what the user community made out of the "leading edge" expression almost immediately: "Bleeding edge." And that describes nicely what many of us have seen when upgrades are taken live without some thorough and judicious testing.

The US mathemazician and satirist Tom Lehrer once introduced one of his songs with the announcement: "Here we go again, sliding down the razor blade of life."

That's what some of us feel the (more or less) forced upgrades of so many software products are doing - taking us on a ride down "the razor blade of life."

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So Far So Good
Sep 24, 2016 8:09AM PDT

Waited till July of this year, I have updated two Desktops one Home One Pro, Two HTPC and to Laptops all Home version. The laptops where a little troublesome installing plug in the Ethernet and all went well. After customizing the win10 desktop seems to function similar to Win 7 not a big relearn. I don't like the apps stuff I'm kind of a relic and prefer my Icons, I suspect over time I properly wont notice a difference.

Over all the Win 10 feels faster and differently boots faster, I replaced Windows Media Center with Power DVD 16 and that feels like an upgrade. I have sync my Android Galaxy 7 to the desktop and that works okay. Overall I like 10 but would like to see more new features that I could use. Thumbs UP!!

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My issues with Win10
Sep 24, 2016 8:17AM PDT

I used Windows 10 as an "insider"(alpha tester) from build 9926 all the way up to, and just past the RTM date.

1. Window borders are too thin. Makes it difficult to discern windows when they're slightly overlapped.

2. Title bars are the same color between active/inactive windows.

3. Can't control/ very limited control of Windows updates. Meaning, you can set a time for it to restart, and "Active Hours"(but you are limited to 10 hours,) but if you have the "Home version, and you do video rendering that has been known to take DAYS, you are screwed. (heard it happens to the PRO version too)

4. Media Center: You can't have it. PERIOD! While I use rarely it, I have several friends that stream video through their homes with it. SHOW STOPPER, literally!

5. Your peripherals may no longer work, even with "updated" drivers. I was never able to successfully print with Win10 to my 3 year old Brother laser printer

6. Menus aren't consistent across applications, and that confounded POS ribbon in Windows Explorer(or what ever Microsoft is calling it now). Didn't like the ribbon when introduced in Office, still don't like it!

7. Limited color pallet. Don't even think about changing window background colors, you can't. Your only option is stark white background with dark gray text.

8. System fonts: You can change the size, but what ever font Microsoft has decided what THEY want you to use, you're stuck with it unless you change it in the registry.(but you have to find it there first)

A year after release, I feel that Windows 10 is only in the BETA stages, and won't be ready for "prime-time" for a couple more years.

People flocked to Windows in large part because of the manufacturer partnerships with Microsoft, but also too, because Microsoft allowed us to "truly personalize" our PC's, unlike Apple.

To say the least, when I go to replace my laptop, it won't have Windows 10(or at least not for long, and it won't ever be registered that way either). The same goes for when I build a new desktop machine. If I can't get Windows7, I'll find a version of Linux that I can live with, as I don't want a phone UI on my PC's.

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(NT) w
Sep 24, 2016 8:24AM PDT
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Network problem
Sep 24, 2016 8:27AM PDT

My network was functioning fine under windows 7 and I had a satisfactory residential group. Under Windows 10 it disappeared and I have not been able to rebuild it... So for me Windows 10 is worse than the previous versions.

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I like it, but only on a new PC
Sep 24, 2016 8:42AM PDT

I had the option to roll back my new Predator to W7, but I chose to tough it out; and I am glad I did. After 20 plus years, Mr. Softy has finally produced a stable OS that is not a server, like NT, W2000, etc. I have managed to skip every other Windows version, so W10 is a natural progression for me. I do not beta test other peoples' software for free. What I like most about W10 is that it takes care of itself with almost no intervention from me; and, even as a former software developer, the minimal version is plenty for me. I did try to upgrade 2 older laptops to W10, but the W8 one ended up with networking problems, and the W7 one had less obvious problems. Why didn't the W10 installation go to the manufacturer's website to check directly for compatibility, instead of just allowing the upgrade. Mr. Softy still can't quite get it all right.

I do still do a weekly set of procedures to keep the W10 PC running optimally, including registry cleanings and the like, but they seem less necessary. One thing I have noticed, though, is that over time some of the startup functions are taking longer to run, like gadgets appearing; sometimes as long as a few minutes. But the overall speed of the PC remains the same. The best thing is: no "Blue Screen Of Death"; which I was still getting in W7.

And a warning: in rolling back that laptop from W10 to W7 I went beyond the rollback period, so I had to use a W7 disk. The disk was so old that the OS on it was not compatible with Windows Update. It took me several days to get it updated, and I had to use the offline method, for which instructions were very sketchy. There are some real land mines embedded in that process. For instance, it is never clear when the process is done; you just have to keep running it until it doesn't do anything else. And "running" it requires going into the "client" directory, as the download process does not automatically segue into the install process. So, good luck if you need to do that.

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Back to Win 7
Sep 24, 2016 9:02AM PDT

I am running 5 systems. 4 Dell and 1 Lenovo.
2 Systems on dedicated VPN's
Tried 10 a couple of times on two of the systems but while it appears to be slightly faster I ran into nuisance errors and the default to Edge created problems with the security software.
Went back to Win 7 pro and all programs run smoothly.
Running MS Office Enterprise.
The laptops in the office appear to run OK but most have retained Firefox as their browser.
I personally prefer 7.

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Find it easier to navigate than 8.1+other considerations
Sep 24, 2016 9:09AM PDT

Maybe I gotten used to it. Definitely it has a cleaner, more organized feel than 8.1. I want to say I actually like it.

Thing to consider: assuming your computer is good and you are going to keep it long (for example: passing it to son, daughter, parent, etc) then they may need Windows 10 benefit for longer support life (as we know, there will be a time when Microsoft says: after certain date they will stop supporting Windows Cool.

Word of caution: in one of my computers and I have seen in the Forum boards, Windows 10 created a conflict with the BIOS. Check in the forums of the brand of your computer (or search internet) for any BIOS conflicts. Maybe there is none with the brand of your computer.

Good luck.

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Windows 10: The Bludgeoning.
Sep 24, 2016 9:15AM PDT

So, my experience comes from a laptop to the Surface. I bought a Surface 3 for work/pleasure purposes (clergy, I use it instead of paper to preach from and it's ultra portable!). My original Surface 3 came with Windows 8.1. Adjusting from Windows 7 I was just getting the hang of things when the unit exhibited some really awful performance issues. Microsoft agreed to replace it. The new Surface 3 came with Windows 10. I spent the first few days almost unable to use the machine, it was a huge leap.
I then began trying to find ways to downgrade back to Windows 8.1. I spent two months going through various methods aside from purchasing an outright copy, to the point where Microsoft Technical Support ignores my requests now.
Anyhow, the largest issue for me aside from the UI being difficult (although I will say it LOOKS slick and sharp) to navigate and use is the Updates. Now, I get the option to defer them... but not stop them altogether. Here's the reason that's an issue.
As I mentioned I use this instead of paper to preach from. My Surface's favourite time to update was Saturday evening or Sunday morning (even when I set it otherwise). Two weeks in a row my Surface was locked out for updates when church started at 10a.m. I was about to sell it and go to Apple when a friend told me if I set the WiFi connections to Metered the updates wouldn't happen. The catch is that now the built-in anti-virus/spyware protection also didn't update. Well, I could live with that... and for a few solid weeks all was well. Until one day I opened up my Surface and it was updating... it actually forced an update through. I was astonished.
Why does Windows 10 present an issue? Because it takes the human element out of control. We are now being shown we humans, who buy these machines and use them, are not capable of controlling what happens on them. And when the machines begin to know better than we do... Skynet isn't far off and we all know what happens next. I want to control what my machines do, I think that should ALWAYS be an option. Windows 10 removes that option.

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10 is not for me
Sep 24, 2016 9:26AM PDT

I downgraded to 10. I lost my desk top and the new browser didn't work very well. I went back to 7 but had to hire a professional to do it. The promise of you can go back was like Obama promising America you could keep your doctor and old insurance. The software would not allow me to return to 7, just another lie from Microsoft.

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Like fine wine, Windows gets better with age
Sep 24, 2016 9:27AM PDT

I have been using Windows since 3.1 installed over DOS. I have found that each iteration gets better than the previous. Windows 8 had its problems, but these were solved. In the old days, each iteration of Windows required faster hardware, but now, you can upgrade with impunity. Now there are fewer incompatibilities with software and hardware , especially with drivers.
I just don't understand the whiners at all. These people spend their whole pitiful existences trying to find faults with whatever they utilize. I'm waiting for one of the poor souls to start dissing oxygen as being over rated!
However, I find the automatic update to be tiresome. I have a Plex movie server in a computer under the stairs, that I need to check often for updates. If it re-boots automatically, it won't function until I sign in. I know I can ameliorate the saturation, but that would mean taking it out of my network, making access to the database to make corrections unfeasible.

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Not too happy!
Sep 24, 2016 9:32AM PDT

My problem with Windows 10 is it freezes during game playing. It will not let me use some of my software. In Windows 8 I could use Tixati and now 10 is telling me that I can not. What suggestions do you have. The security on 10 will not allow you to do a lot of things.

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Mostly good but a few frustrations.....
Sep 24, 2016 9:37AM PDT

I upgraded my MS Surface Pro to Win 10 Pro the day it came out. For the most part it has been good. A couple of frustrations though. 1. I used the mail app and really liked it but for some reason in May 2016 it stopped working properly. It went into continuous sync but did not download mail. I foolishly tried to send an email and later discovered it had been sent 53 times. I searched the forums but was not able to find a solution though I did discover that others had been having trouble with the app right from the start. Ended up uninstalling it and finding an alternative for mail. 2. I recently signed on to a Samsung tablet (also running 10) with my MS account. I didn't realize the 'sync' settings were turned on and was surprised to find all my bookmarks and reading list from Edge show up on the Samsung. However, I later discovered that it hadn't actually 'synced' but had transferred the favorites and reading list as they had all been removed from the Surface. Huge frustration as they are not in a folder as they are in IE and try as I might I could not 'sync' them back. Ended up turning off all sync settings and manually adding the favorites/reading list back.

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Free W10 Hah
Sep 24, 2016 9:51AM PDT

W10 is the worst O/S ever. All it does is is implant app to display ads.and get inside you PC what ever they want and use you monitor for ads, and more ads. What's wrong with W7? Oh, Well it lacks the ability to accommodate apps. In few word; DON'T USE WINDOWS 10, EVEN FREE, FREE? JUST WAIT TO SEE WHAT "free" mean.

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loving or hating windows 10. hmm
Sep 24, 2016 10:13AM PDT

I am neutral on windows 10. I prefer win 7, but I just had to learn the minimum to do my mail, and Microsoft office work, like any new operating system. It does not seem right to have to adapt to these operating system changes just because they are changed to help advanced users and make more money. but its better than no computer at all.

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Don't like it!
Sep 24, 2016 10:28AM PDT

My wife and I each had had a Win 7 desktop PC. I opted to install the free upgrade. She did not. Since the upgrade I have had many problems, including the the inability to install several Win 10 upgrades. Win 10 also does not recognize my USB WI-FI device after a restart until I either remove & replace it or reinstall the software. In addition, the Start Window I had in Win 7 with my most-used apps is no longer available. That is not all, but it is enough to make me want back my Win 7. My wife, still using her Win 7, has had no problems.
On the other hand, my laptop, upgraded to Win 10 from Win 8.1, has had none of the problems as my desktop.

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I Like windows 10 and what seems like improved security.
Sep 24, 2016 10:30AM PDT

The title explains it all. Just returned from holiday to a very long update sequence. Annoying but gives confidence at the same time. It seems that that they may have learnt something from Apple.

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Windows 10
Sep 24, 2016 10:31AM PDT

I have been using Windows starting in June of 1995 with Windows 95. I have used EVERY ISSUE OF WINDOWS since then, Windows 95, two issues, Windows 98 and windows 98 Second edition, Windows Millenium, Windows XP, Windows Vista, ( a real dog), Windows 7, Windows 8, and 8.1, and in my humble opinion Windows 10 is the logical and reasonable upgrade to Windows XP.

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Win 10 is OK, by me
Sep 24, 2016 10:53AM PDT

I truly like Win7 and have a PC running it ad still appreciate knowing its doing quite well under all tasks. yes, its getting old but it, "just works".

Next, I found Win10 to be working well too. It has at least been up and running w/o too much issues and problems. I did however make sure my PC was capable and ready to run it with ram and HD upgrades. So far, it has yet to really anything of a problem. It too, "just works". of course, its nice to have the latest OS running in order to be abreast of all out there.

I offer that compared to Win8.x anything, its a better product. It's too bad any user had to go through Win8.x because Win10 came out.

As always if you plan to install a new OS, it should be done as a new install like from scratch. If not, then be 100% sure you back-up your old OS and leave the installable HD be blank or clean. You should follow the instructions for your model# PC. It will be the same from OS to OS, -OR- they follow what needs to be done to go new OS or Win10, in this case. Most vendors/makers have a support website providing instructions or "help guide" in what to do.
Yes, you will need to buy Win10 s/w as it no longer free, but just be sure to get from trusted source. If you buy it at least you have new flashdrive or discs to rely on -OR- downloaded s/w(save it to your offline media) and start install when ready.

good luck -----Willy Happy