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Are Liberals About To Toss Over Obama?

by James Denison / November 9, 2009 10:16 AM PST

...Or have they been effectively silenced by a White House gestapo?
A very interesting take on the White House gang by an ardent liberal. Seems there are some liberals who feel the Obama group has used them and then using funding threats to keep them in the camp, but only to control them, having taken them captive.

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/06/van-jones-a-moment-of-truth-for-liberal-institutions-in-the-veal-pen/

Soon after the election, the Administration began corralling the big liberal DC interest groups into a variety of organizations and communication networks through which they telegraphed their wishes ? into a virtual veal pen. The 8:45 am morning call co-hosted by the "liberal" Center for American Progress, Unity 09, and Common Purpose are just a few of the overt ways that the White House controls its left flank and maintains discipline.

These organizations may kid themselves that they?re doing no harm, but that?s not true. They are the institutional liberal validators who telegraph to liberals that there are problems, that things are happening that are not good for them. They are trusted to decode the byzantine rituals of government and let the public know when their interests are not being served, that it?s time to pay attention and start making a racket. When they fail to perform that task, the public is left with a vague feeling of anxiety, intuitively understanding that something is wrong but not knowing who or what to blame.

I heard it over and over again ? if you wanted to criticize the White House on financial issues, your institutional funding would dry up instantly. The Obama campaign successfully telegraphed to donors that they should cut off Fund for America, which famously led to its demise. It wasn?t the last time something like that happened ? just ask those who were receiving institutional money who criticized the White House and saw their funding cut, at the specific request of liberal institutional leaders who now principally occupy their time by brown nosing friends and former co-workers in the White House. (more at page, long article!)

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Gestapo?
by JP Bill / November 9, 2009 12:06 PM PST

Really?


1. The German internal security police as organized under the Nazi regime, known for its terrorist methods directed against those suspected of treason or questionable loyalty.
2. gestapo pl., -pos. A police organization that employs terroristic methods to control a populace.

adj.

1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of the German security police organized under the Nazi regime.
2. gestapo Of, relating to, or characteristic of terroristic police methods or operations: gestapo tactics.

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if the shoe fits
by James Denison / November 9, 2009 12:25 PM PST
In reply to: Gestapo?
http://freedomedium.com/2009/08/the-white-house-admits-to-using-gestapo-tactics/

Read the following, taken directly from the White House website:

?There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care.
These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation.
Since we can?t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we?re asking for your help.
If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo
As historian Robert Gellately's analysis of the local offices established, the Gestapo was for the most part made up of bureaucrats and clerical workers who depended upon denunciations by ordinary Germans for their information.... Furthermore, for information about what was happening in German society, the Gestapo were mostly dependent upon these denunciations.[13] 80% of all Gestapo investigations were started in response to information provided by denunciations by "ordinary" Germans; while 10% were started in response in to information provided by other branches of the German government and another 10% started in response to information that the Gestapo itself unearthed.[10]Thus, it was ordinary Germans by their willingness to denounce one another who supplied the Gestapo with the information that determined whom the Gestapo arrested.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/07/white-house-collect-fishy-info-illegal-critics-say/

The White House has been under fire since posting a blog on Tuesday that asks supporters to e-mail any "fishy" information seen on the Web or received electronically. "The White House is in bit of a conundrum because of this privacy statute that prohibits the White House from collecting data and storing it on people who disagree with it," Judge Andrew Napolitano, a FOX News analyst, said Friday.

"There's also a statute that requires the White House to retain all communications that it receives. It can't try to rewrite history by pretending it didn't receive anything," he said. "If the White House deletes anything, it violates one statute. If the White House collects data on the free speech, it violates another statute."
Napolitano was referring to the Privacy Act of 1974,...
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to information provided by denunciations by "ordinary"
by JP Bill / November 9, 2009 12:45 PM PST
In reply to: if the shoe fits

Some want people to report to authorities that people are "calm and serene" From the Fort Hood killings posts.

Gestapo?

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James, I'm sorry but your POV is positively perverse.
by Ziks511 / November 9, 2009 3:52 PM PST
In reply to: if the shoe fits

I'm sure that the request for people who have been contacted by some mass-mailer of disinformation about Health Care (there's a lot of it out there) is not aimed at silencing or brutalizing or incarcerating the sender, but is aimed at producing a clear response to the rubbish being said.

Mr Out on a Limb-augh is far more like a Nazi than anyone in the Obama administration with his hectoring and twisted information and his "joke" that Dede Scozzafava was guilty of bestiality, Ha Ha Ha because she's courted every RINO out there. (Just Google it).

He bullies not only his opponents but those one would assume were his friends, as he admitted during a TV interview, purely for ratings and money. He has no platform but abuse, he has no object but lining his own pockets. And yet 10 or 15% of the American public still listen, and even intelligent conservatives leap to his defence. He's the guy who wants to create a "thought police" to rout out every contrary opinion except his.

Rob

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(NT) Whatta you care? He's not your president.
by Jack Ammann / November 15, 2009 9:09 AM PST
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Yeah Jack, he is. Not for nothing was I born in Baltimore
by Ziks511 / November 15, 2009 11:24 PM PST

did all my education in the US and didn't come to Canada until I was 33. I have still spent less time in Canada than in the United States, and I still have citizenship, so he's my President too.

Rob

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RE: He's not your president
by JP Bill / November 15, 2009 11:36 PM PST

and it's not like anything he does affects Canada or any other country.

That's one of the problems with being a world power...non-citizens have opinions/concerns on what the country/leader does.

I think he's over in China now, with a bunch of leaders...wonder why he's there?

He's not their president.

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The shoe does not fit, James
by Josh K / November 9, 2009 10:30 PM PST
In reply to: if the shoe fits

I just concluded a rather heated exchange with a neighbor of mine who was tossing around Nazi references rather casually, with regard to Nancy Pelosi and others. I'll tell you what I told him -- that if you really think anyone in American politics (regardless of party) has anything in common with Adolph Hitler and the Third Reich, then you either need to brush up on your current events or brush up on your World War II history, or both.

When an American politician starts quoting Hitler and/or recommends rounding people up and marching them into gas chambers, THEN you can compare them with the Nazis. But not until then.

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(NT) can't compare end results with beginnings
by James Denison / November 9, 2009 11:07 PM PST
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Well, he better get a move on
by JP Bill / November 10, 2009 12:14 AM PST

no one is guaranteed a second term.

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Yes, you can
by Josh K / November 10, 2009 2:36 AM PST

Look at the very beginnings of Hitler's time as Chancellor of Germany. It started right off.

People who seriously think that Nancy Pelosi or anyone else in Congress has anything in common with Adolph Hitler are in need of medical attention if you ask me.

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I am sure...
by EdHannigan / November 10, 2009 6:19 AM PST

you gave that same lecture to your friends on the left, including Rob, who were so fond of tossing around nazi references when it came to Bush, right?


Yeah, riiight!

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And we're sure
by JP Bill / November 10, 2009 6:30 AM PST
In reply to: I am sure...

you will defend Obama like you defended Bush?

It's not the message...it's the messenger?

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You'd have to do a forum search to find out
by Josh K / November 10, 2009 10:58 PM PST
In reply to: I am sure...

I doubt you'll do it but you're welcome to. I'm glad you think the Nazi references being tossed around now are inappropriate. At a recent tea party protest outside the Capitol, one guy had a sign with a photo of a mass grave in a concentration camp, with a caption that read "National Socialist Health Care" or something like that. Thanks for condemning such sick stuff.

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Actually, I have...
by EdHannigan / November 10, 2009 11:36 PM PST

It's always inappropriate. But the very few compared the many who called Bush a nazi, terrorist, murderer, etc. Not even close.

I'm not searching for something that probably isn't there. If it was I am sure you would point to it.

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RE:But the very few compared the many who called Bush a nazi
by JP Bill / November 11, 2009 12:14 AM PST
In reply to: Actually, I have...
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I just did one
by Josh K / November 11, 2009 1:10 AM PST
In reply to: Actually, I have...
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Where have you been?
by EdHannigan / November 11, 2009 1:24 AM PST
In reply to: I just did one

Of course a lot of posts were deleted, but there were quite a few, including his term "Republifascists" I believe you can find a nazi reference in his posts of the last few days.

Konkel was another one who used refer to "brown shirt tactics" and "gestapo". I remember it caused quite a flap one time.

You guys have been calling Republicans nazis for decades now. Look at any pictures of left wing demonstrators from the 60s on. I even remember such references when Goldwater was running. Now your guy gets a small taste and you're SHOCKED!!

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Reality is, a few nut cases on both sides of the aisle...
by grimgraphix / November 11, 2009 2:16 AM PST
In reply to: Where have you been?

... love to point the finger and call each nazi.

To argue that anyone... ANYONE... is justified in using such comparisons is damned silly imo.

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And I think that what makes it worse now....
by Josh K / November 11, 2009 2:26 AM PST

....is that it's escalated from hyperbolic terms like "brown-shirt tactics" to actually trying to make a case that this Congress is following in the footsteps of the Third Reich. Some people apparently have very short memories.

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Is anyone arguing that?
by EdHannigan / November 11, 2009 4:51 AM PST

My point is that it has been all too common for lefties to throw the nazi stuff around, by far.

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(NT) Exactly!!!! This sub-thread is closed.
by Angeline Booher / November 11, 2009 5:31 AM PST
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I doubt a single search term will work ...
by Bill Osler / November 11, 2009 9:38 AM PST
In reply to: I just did one

For example, it is not always necessary to use the word 'Nazi'.
Consider this post:
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6130_102-0.html?messageID=3170877&tag=forums06;posts#3170877
I'd say that is a clear-cut example of the kind of thing Ed is objecting to, but your search would not have picked it up.

I realize he didn't call Mr. Bush a 'Nazi' in this post, but he did manage to imply that all conservatives are Fascist sympathizers, and this is actually one of his milder posts.

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I'm sure Josh iknows that...
by EdHannigan / November 11, 2009 11:38 AM PST

he's not THAT blind. No one could be.

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Actually.....
by Josh K / November 11, 2009 11:49 PM PST

....I think he suggested that conservatives are lemmings. But again, I think there is a difference between offhand comments like this (and similar comments about Democrats/Liberals being "socialists" and "communists" -- don't deny it) and the recent attempts by tea-party types to make a serious, legitimate case that the US Congress is trying to emulate the Third Reich.

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Can you document that "attempt to make a serious case"...
by EdHannigan / November 11, 2009 11:58 PM PST
In reply to: Actually.....

and show how it differs from "offhand comments"?

Are Liberals/Democrats truly not "socialists" and "communists" ? I would submit that some ARE. Or at least act as though they are.

And for bonus points can you show you show that there is no legitimate case that the Congress/Admin is not trying to emulate the Third Reich?

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LOL, in one post....
by Josh K / November 12, 2009 1:22 AM PST

....you challenge me to prove that people are comparing Congress with the Third Reich, and then challenge me to prove that Congress ISN'T like the Third Reich, thereby substantiating your initial challenge by your own words.

What was in your coffee this morning, Ed?

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Nice non-response.
by EdHannigan / November 12, 2009 3:46 AM PST
In reply to: LOL, in one post....

People are concerned, where this country is being taken. but hey, what do you care?

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would that be a double negative?
by jonah jones / November 12, 2009 3:20 AM PST

#And for bonus points can you show you show that there is no legitimate case that the Congress/Admin is not trying to emulate the Third Reich?#

and if so, how would one answer it?

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