A passion for profit, anyway.
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Dan
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A passion for profit, anyway.
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Dan
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Where do my objections apply to the dreidel? Since you missed it, go back and look at the first sentence of the post you're trying to reply to. It might help you if you occasionally responded to what was in a post rather than what was not in a post.
Dan
Your posts consistently make this clear, but your recognition and acceptance is the first step.
but not killing of unborn infants, or assaults on marriage? Interesting how quickly self righteousness can turn.
It seems you've misunderstood my objection.
Dan
culture since they were used on Christ. It's not new to the Gibson film. Christians want people to know that the death of Christ was both sacrificial and real.
And if Gibson recoups his investment, what is that to you? He is entitled to do that. It's probably the only way that he can show that this type of film does have commercial potential, and should be produced. The potential gain is more realistic and accurate films. If Gibson makes a profit? So what! He should. If he gives the profit away, what will you say then?
Dan, don't you remember in the '60's when companies like Revell sold plastic model kits of things like midieval torture chamber scenes, including things like the rack? Did you object to that? I was into Big Daddy Roth and models of things like "rat Fink", but I remember those. I dare say with the wooden model interest with some adults making models of no end of things, there are models of such things still out there. Do you object to them, or just the specific case of things relating to this particular movie?
I would object to them, too. I don't remember the things you describe. I'm sure they were never around my house.
Dan
In other words, one can't be a Jew if one accepts Jesus as the messia? Or, you are weird if you do that? I hate to break it to you Jonah, but Jesus was a Jew and He said He IS the Messia. In fact, a lot of Jews, such as Paul, accepted his claim. So, why are these people weirdos?
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There is no distinct Jewish culture, and, in fact, Jesus, Paul, Peter, etc. were not Jews. That is what you are saying isn't it?
Sounds like religious bigotry to me.
No, that is not what I'm saying. Please stop trying to twist my words. What I said, simply, was that the belief that Jesus was the Messiah is the main thing that distinguishes Christians from Jews.
"one can't be a Jew if one accepts Jesus as the messia?
My personal opinion is "no." "
So a Jew that accepts Christ as the Messiah is no longer a Jew? Therefore Jesus and the Apostles were no longer Jews?
My opinion -- if you accept Christ as the Messiah you are a Christian, though your ethnicity may still be Jewish.
Organized Christianity began to take hold as a faith after Jesus' death. Whether Jesus considered himself to be the Messiah is a matter of faith.
Hi, Josh.
From where I sit, the problem is that there are two meanings to the word "Jewish." One speaks of religion, the other of heritage/lineage. But if 'secular Jews" are in fact Jews (as I believe the Israeli Supreme Court has held them to be), then wouldn't "Jews for Jesus" be, also? I'm not trying to be disrespectful here -- I know this is a touchy issue, but I've never understood the consistency between what you're saying now and your comment elsewhere in this thread (or another one recently) that being Jewish doesn't make you anti-Christian.
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Obviously people can become a "religious" Jew without benefit of genetic heritage. Those who are descended from Jacob would all have Jewish blood, and if they want should be considered Jewish.
Hi Dave:
"Anti-Christian" is a term that (to me) suggests bigotry or some sort of opposition to Christianity. I'm not anti-Christian.
But yes, you're right, there is the Jewish faith and there is Jewish culture, and it's certainly possible to be of Jewish lineage and have Christian beliefs.
Let's also keep in mind that I did not use the word "weirdos" to describe Jews for Jesus.