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Appalled, but not surprised.

Feb 27, 2004 2:22AM PST

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Yep, symbol of death and profiteering since MOST are sold...
Feb 28, 2004 1:04AM PST

for ornamentation rather than religious significance.

Strangely enough some even carry a required licensing logo on the back.

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Re: it's an Ankh
Feb 27, 2004 6:20PM PST
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Dan, you do have a moral code!
Feb 27, 2004 5:38AM PST

How do you decide when and where to apply it? Why do you use it to condemn the actions of others that you don't agree with? A bit inconsistent aren't you?

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I know I do. Everyone has one.
Feb 27, 2004 5:48AM PST

And they are all inconsistent when viewed from outside.

Did you ever really think I didn't have a moral code?

Dan

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I haven't seen where you have a basis for one,
Feb 27, 2004 5:54AM PST

unless it is simply your own opinion and does not apply to anyone else.

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Oh.
Feb 27, 2004 6:01AM PST

Everyone's moral code is unique. It may have been influenced to a great degree by the same things as another's code. But when you get down to where the rubber meets the road, each person makes their own decisions.

Dan

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Just sticking up for Dan here...
Feb 28, 2004 1:07AM PST
"A bit inconsistent aren't you?"

How so? He is consistently inconsistent so ...
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Never been much of a traveler have you...
Feb 28, 2004 12:46AM PST

because such "trinkets" (religious relic replicas) are fairly common items. If one can't have the real thing a symbolic relic replica often provides what is desired.

The unmitigated gall is your own and inexcusable.

Symbolism, ESPECIALLY religious symbolism, is important to many people and peoples--You might want to ask Josh the symbolism of the Dreidle and why they are slightly different in Israel and outside Israel.

You might ask him the significance of Elijah's & Miriam's Cups and compare them to the items here http://www.judaism.com/search.asp?nt=aaci&sctn=910 which, while definitely "profiteering and American Capitalism (although the same are found all over Europe also), do have a religious import if for nothing other than small children.

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Re:Re:Appalled, but not surprised.
Feb 28, 2004 12:31AM PST

Consider "Kabbalah Red String" then "Matzah bibs" then "Wedding Glasses" then "Drum Graggers" then all of these items on this page of the first site linked http://www.judaism.com/display.asp?etn=GJFBJ&type=nvnd and this (also a page on the first site) http://www.judaism.com/jewelry/index.asp

All are designed to do essentially the same as the "passion of christ" site--sell merchandise that conveys a "spiritual message".

All (from both sites as well as the others cited) intend to profit on the sending of that message and yes, "The Passion of Christ" is as valid a message as is "The Holocost" and derivatives such as http://www.classbrain.com/artmovies/publish/article_145.shtml

Nope, not much of a difference Josh.

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If you think that's expensive, check out the real fur Hasidic hats. (nt)
Feb 28, 2004 12:36AM PST

No wonder the other sects opted for the beanie.

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Did you mean NNT???
Feb 28, 2004 1:56PM PST

Not No Text... Happy

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above is not NT, this is NT
Mar 1, 2004 12:00PM PST

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Is that any different than buying a crucifix? (nt)
Feb 27, 2004 4:23AM PST

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One is a symbol the other a grizzly, movie tie-in replica. -nt
Feb 27, 2004 4:28AM PST

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Re: Is that any different than buying a crucifix? (nt)
Feb 28, 2004 12:39PM PST

Hi, James.

Most crucifixes are sold in church or religious goods stores where simple profit is not the major motivation for the sale... And I wouldn't personally buy a crucifix at a department store...

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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NOPE! MOST are sold in jewelry and department stores and...
Feb 29, 2004 5:20AM PST

profit is a large determinant regardless of where it is sold. Don't believe it, go to the "Religious Bookstore" or Church and find out what the actual markup is.

Most crucifixes are actually sold as jewelry rather than as religious symbols. Had you mentioned St. Anthony medals you might have actually been right--but you didn't do that and chose something that a glance in any jewelry store would show you the error of your statement.

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Is there something wrong with making a profit on religious items?
Feb 29, 2004 5:45AM PST

The Bible says that the workman is worthy of his hire. I think that means that a reasonable profit is just fine.

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Re: Is there something wrong with making a profit on religious items?
Mar 1, 2004 12:22PM PST

Hi, KP.

Is there something wrong with it? Not if there's vlue for price. But all things being equal, I prefer to get my religious goods from organizations where the profits are used for religious purposes.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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Re:Appalled, but not surprised.
Feb 27, 2004 5:36AM PST
ABOUT US

Bob Siemon Designs, www.bobsiemon.com, is an officially licensed manufacturer and distributor of jewelry and gifts products related to The Passion of the Christ. As the leading designer, manufacturer and distributor of inspirational jewelry and gift products Bob Siemon Designs has been producing high quality designs from its factory and corporate headquarters in Santa Ana, CA. since 1970. The company is most notably known for its sterling silver ?Jesus Saves? ring, WWJD? products and Guardian Angel lapel pins. Today, Bob Siemon Designs serves thousands of retail customers worldwide.


So aside from licensing fees to Gibson, to which he is entitled, the creators have been profiting from religion for a while. Or is it really that you have a problem with people sharing their faith by wearing symbols thereof?
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Neither, actually.
Feb 27, 2004 5:57AM PST

The big part that is objectionable is profiteering on acts of torture and murder. I'd feel similarly to reproduction ovens from German concentration camps or souvenir matches from the burning of Joan of Arc. Now that I think of it, those matches are probably available. *sigh*

Dan

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I pity you ...
Feb 27, 2004 6:05AM PST

... that you see these as symbols of what the Romans did to Jesus and not of the sacrifice Jesus made for us all. Those who would purchase those nails or who wear crosses, etc., do so as a symbol of their faith and in recognition of the incredible thing Jesus did.

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As I pity you
Feb 27, 2004 9:30AM PST

Not for your inability to see the world from the mindset of anyone not limited by your dogma. For your unwillingness to even try.

Dan

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See, that's the problem Dan. You quickly
Feb 27, 2004 10:08AM PST

set yourself up as superior when the only standard you have is yourself. Remember our dicussions of morality and values? How quickly judgements are pronounced.

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(NT) Pathetic
Feb 27, 2004 9:37PM PST

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Yes, you are that, too. -nt
Feb 29, 2004 11:42PM PST

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You surely are the pot... (NT)
Feb 28, 2004 1:12AM PST
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Is Evie the kettle or are you? -nt
Feb 29, 2004 11:43PM PST

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Both to a degree but neither as sullied by grime and soot as you...
Mar 1, 2004 2:21AM PST

The majority of your posts reflect exactly what you accuse others of--hypocracy and a total unwillingness to even attempt to consider anything you do not believe in. Intolerance is one of your most easily recognized attributes Dan.

That is a glass house you live in...

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Yet you do not see the beam in your own eye?
Mar 1, 2004 2:52AM PST

Sad.