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Appalled, but not surprised.

Feb 27, 2004 2:22AM PST

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(NT) What, no action figures? There has to be a better word than 'tacky' for this.
Feb 27, 2004 2:26AM PST

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Re :Appalled -- A novel answer to WWJD! (NT)
Feb 27, 2004 2:49AM PST

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What Would Jesus Discount? ? (NT)
Feb 27, 2004 5:33AM PST

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a funny one.
Feb 27, 2004 11:47PM PST
Wink Hopefully our sins?
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Funny you should mention WWJD ...
Feb 27, 2004 5:44AM PST

... see my post below to Dan. Apparently the company making these items has been known for making WWJD jewelry for quite some time Happy

Evie Happy

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Re:Funny you should mention WWJD ...
Feb 27, 2004 12:35PM PST

Hi, Evie.

It's also odd that if you read the Gospels with an open mind, the correct answer to "what would Jesus do" is very different from the policies generally espoused by those who wear "WWJD" jewelry.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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Rare agreement ...
Feb 28, 2004 1:19AM PST
It's also odd that if you read the Gospels with an open mind, the correct answer to "what would Jesus do" is very different from the policies generally espoused by those who wear "WWJD" jewelry.

Especially as it relates to Pickups and large SUVs! He was a CARPENTER as was his father and there is no doubt he would be driving a Pickup or Large SUV which is contrary to the idea of those who think he wouldn't.
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I'm glad you've got the 'correct answer' because you've got an
Feb 28, 2004 10:17AM PST

'open mind'. Kind of like, 'Thank you God that I'm not like that miserable tax collector.'. Who was justified in God's sight Dave?

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Josh and Dan. Appalled, tacky, WHY?
Feb 27, 2004 2:52AM PST
http://www.judaism.com/
http://www.maven.co.il/subjects.asp?ID=8&S=191
http://www.mazornet.com/jewishcl/mazornet_jewish_bookstore.htm

and

http://www.tibetan-village.org.uk/Bookstore/art.html
http://www.fwbo-nyc.org/bookstore/fwbo-bookstore.html
http://www.karma-net.com/links/buddhism.html

or

http://www.christianbook.com/?p=1016011
http://www.stemarie.org/
http://www.catholicfamilygifts.com/

There is nothing "sinful" about making money and Gibson will be getting a portion of the licensing fees. Dave has already mentioned that he is spending millions of his money on a Catholic Church so is it really tacky, appalling, or just plain jealousy that is really bothering y'all here?
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Re:Appalled, but not surprised.
Feb 27, 2004 3:00AM PST

I guess I see a difference between religious articles and books (the items being sold in the Jewish links you posted) and souvenir trinkets with the name of a film on them.

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Trinkets? ?
Feb 27, 2004 3:31AM PST

These are nails that are replicas of those driven through people's bodies. The fun part is that you can wear them around your neck! Get two, kids!

*shudder*

Unmitigated gall. Death profiteering. American capitalism. I'm sure people can't wait for the commemorative bullets just like those that almost assassinated Reagan and Brady. A big seller would be replica gloves stained just like the ones that Jackie Kennedy wore. People are lining up now.

Too sad.

Dan

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Ummmmm.....
Feb 27, 2004 4:36AM PST

.... what is that gold t-shaped thingy many Christians (and Madonna) wear around their necks?

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It's a religious symbol
Feb 27, 2004 4:42AM PST

It doesn't have the name of a movie stamped on it.

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(NT) Do the nails?
Feb 27, 2004 4:47AM PST

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Not the nail itself, but yes, elsewhere on the neckace (link)
Feb 27, 2004 5:06AM PST
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For the record ...
Feb 27, 2004 5:07AM PST

... I don't know that I'm comfortable with merchandising this movie, but from what I've heard from those who have seen it, it was a moving experience. That people might want to wear a nail as a symbol that they saw it or whatever is fine by me. It's certainly no different than buying your kid a Darth Vader sabre, only could possibly have more meaning.

From the point of view of the person wearing either, I see little difference between wearing a nail or a cross as a symbol of the crucifixion.

Evie Happy

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Re:For the record ...
Feb 27, 2004 5:20AM PST

The analogy to the Darth Vader saber is what I find distasteful about it.

If it means something real to the person wearing it then who am I to argue, but to me it just seems kinda.....well, you know.

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Darth Vader sabre?
Feb 27, 2004 5:32AM PST

Would you be appalled if they'd released this movie before Christmas and we could buy our kids the Jesus Christ action figure with kung-fu grip (crucifixion set with whip, nails, cross, and fake blood sold separately)?

Maybe the world is getting too commercial.

Dan

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The thing is ...
Feb 27, 2004 5:39AM PST

... these are being sold as ways people can share their faith. They aren't selling JC action figures so your argument is specious. Yes, I would be offended by that but after an initial thought that this just didn't "seem right", the items offered seem to be well crafted, reasonably priced and tasteful symbols that this movie has brought back into the public conscience. Maybe some will be moved to prolong this newfound awareness of what Jesus did for us all.

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I'll give them credit for this....
Feb 27, 2004 5:43AM PST

...At least they're not selling those 3D pictures of Jesus where the eyes open and close.

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(NT) And no velvet murals :-)
Feb 27, 2004 5:45AM PST

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Actually, a well painted velvet mural
Feb 28, 2004 12:33AM PST

of the crucifixion scene from the movie, framed and hanging on a wall, illuminated by a black light might be preferable to a trinket.

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I've chuckled over this a few times.
Mar 1, 2004 12:02AM PST

I got this image of a young Jewish lad visiting a Christian friend's house and one of those on the wall. He looks up and sees it with the eyes closed and then is playing with his friend maybe some video games. Later he sits across the room and happens to glance up at the picture again and this time Christ's eyes are wide open and staring right at him! I can see how that might be a bit disconcerting, especially when those type pictures first came out, LOL.

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Can you buy ANY of those items now ?
Feb 28, 2004 12:58AM PST

Maybe the world isn't "too commercial", you are just too given to flights of fancy.

I didn't see a single item on the site that was not in good taste.

You would surely be upset at the skulls, fingers, hands, feet, kept as revered relics in Churches in Europe as well as the use of death for artistic purposes (bone arrangements and mosaics--commercial as many sites require paid admission to view them).

It is surely fortunate that your constant state of being appalled is so insignificant in the overall scheme of life.

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I agree Evie - They are both as symbolic - The Romans were very brutal in those days :(
Feb 27, 2004 4:37PM PST

NT

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Sorry NT missing in the above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Feb 27, 2004 4:39PM PST

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This reminds me of a story my brother tells
Feb 27, 2004 4:52AM PST

He was in a Catholic HS in NYC and went away on a weekend retreat. Bored silly at night. He's got nothing to read, nothing to do, etc. He's sitting on his bed and, at the height of his boredom, he reaches up and take the crucifix off the wall. He looks at. Turns it over. Written on the back is "Jesus H. Christ Autograph model" as if it were a baseball glove! My brother was, apparently, not the first person to seek salvation from boredom in that cross.

Dan

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It's a symbol
Feb 27, 2004 4:43AM PST

These are grizzly, profiteering, movie tie-in replicas.

Dan

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(NT) Ha ha, I thought of it a minute before you did! :-)
Feb 27, 2004 4:44AM PST

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NT - You owe me a coke! ! !
Feb 27, 2004 4:48AM PST

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