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Antivirus, I know it's been done a hundred times, but...

Jul 4, 2007 11:22PM PDT

What is a good, free antivirus?

Before you answer let me tell you a little bit about the machine.

Compaq 5014Us, windows Xp.

In the past I have tried the AVG until it stopped working and a terrible virus invaded our machine (we had ME at the time). After trying a few, I've come to like the Avast, but that seems not to be working.

I need something that will run continuously or detect when something bad is there or at least perform it's own scan once a week. We always forget to run the important stuff.

Do I need to pay for one that does that or is there a free one that will work for me. If you need any more info, let me know.

Since ACG messed the machine up before, I'm really hesitant about using it again.

But if anyone has any ideas, let me know. I really appreciate it.

C

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Jul 5, 2007 12:02AM PDT
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AVG Free or Avast
Jul 5, 2007 1:43AM PDT

Those are the only free ones I'm aware of. I use AVG Free myself. Small, minimal drain on the system, stays out of my way, free... Avast is also free, but you have to keep registering it every few months with the free version. It's either every 3 or 6 months IIRC. Nothing too unreasonable, just a little annoying IMO.

You can often find copies of Norton or McAfee for free, or nearly free, after some rebate. I hate both products. Norton for it's continual and nasty false-positive issues and overall quality problems, and McAfee for degrading system performance by like 25% just as a function of its normal operations. No experience with any of the others, so I'll refrain from comment.

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Like Jackson
Jul 5, 2007 5:10AM PDT

I would recommend AVG Free again. I have never used Avast and I stay away from the bulkier products like Norton or McAfee.

If your computers have been hit by malware in the past then I would recommend you reconsider your whole anti-malware suite. An anti-virus isn't enough nowadays. You need the following;

1] A firewall. Firewalls help prevent hackers from getting access to your Operating System. XP's own firewall is much better than nothing but might be difficult to set up as you wish if you do not want to delve into how to code exclusions. There are many good free ones available. If you don't have a firewall running now, turn on the XP Firewall immediately whilst you consider whether to go for something else. The firewall must be running at all times.

2] An anti-virus. Have it running continuously and schedule it to scan your system everyday. Update it daily or every other day. But if you don't, take note when it warns you that its virus definitions are out of date. Don't just do nothing.

3] At least two, but better three, anti-spyware utilities. One of which must be running continuously. That one you scan with once a week or so. The others you perform backup scans every so often. Below are the ones I use;

Windows Defender, Microsoft's own anti-spyware. It runs in the background, and will update itself along with all your other Windows Updates.
AVG Anti-spyware, (formerly known as Ewido anti-spyware). Used as a backup check.
Spybot Search and Destroy. Another backup scanner.
SpywareBlaster, not a scanner, but immunizes against spyware, and can also stop your browser home page from being hijacked.

All of those are free, but they only work if you use them properly, keep them updated, and scan with them.

Keep your Windows Updates up to date.

I would also stop using Internet Explorer. You may need it for Windows Updates and the odd web page that works with nothing else, but IE is the trojan horse of choice for virus writers, spyware and other malware. Instead consider Firefox, Opera, or Seamonkey as alternative browsers.

Stop using Outlook or Outlook Express. They are too closely intertwined with Internet Explorer. Use another email client like Thunderbird.

Again, these are all free.

Never download files from the internet without saving them to the hard disk first, then scanning them with your anti-virus scanner. Never open attachments from an email, but instead save it to disk first then scan it for viruses. Don't trust any attachments, even from relatives or friends. They are usually, without knowing it, the biggest source of viruses.

Stay away from Peer to Peer, (P2P), file sharing. You never know what other people are sharing.

Back up all those files you cannot lose.

If a web site looks suspicious, it probably is. If a web site offers this or that download for free, be wary.

You say you forget to "run this stuff". Would you forget to look left, right, left before crossing the road? You could get hurt that way. If you don't carry out these or similar steps, you could lose all those important files, photos, music and videos on your hard disk.

Mark

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Thanks to all
Jul 5, 2007 7:54AM PDT

Mark, I already do most of these things and the programs you suggested I have and use all but the AVG.

I talked to my husband about switching browsers and he gives me that look and the same old explanation. Same with the windows updates. According to a fellow coworker of his, those windows updates are unnecessary and actually either slow down the computer or put other crap on the computer, his friend had never downloaded a one. I do find that hard to believe.

In my own opinion, I think it's windows period, but hey, I'm not the educated one, what do I know.

Thanks for all the help.
C

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They're full of it
Jul 5, 2007 8:26AM PDT

On occasion updates will have some kind of strange reaction with software installed on a system, but it's pretty rare. The most common reason a system slows down, is people keep loading little programs here and there, which all suck up resources.

All those updates tend to do is replace a file or two with some minor alterations made to the contents to correct the flaw.

And the switching browsers thing is an excellent idea. Internet Explorer is simply unsafe to use for any period of time. Downloading and installing updates with it is a calculated risk.

I'd just keep trying to wear him down. Your gender gives you the upper hand after all.

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Yep.
Jul 5, 2007 8:20PM PDT

It's a shame that your husband seems so resistant to change.

There is no easy way to say this, but people who advocate that "Windows Updates are not necessary" are either misguided, or are using pirated versions of Windows that they cannot update anyway, because Microsoft would find out that their Operating System is no genuine. Such pirated versions may be able to get critical updates, designed to stop malware spreading, but those users don't want to be identified, and so decline the updates.

In the early days of the internet there was little of such things as viruses, and spyware, and the internet was generally a clean and exciting place. Although the internet was limited, we could trawl through web sites with comparative innocence. Sadly, that is no longer the case. People who have internet capable computers nowadays have to hit the road running and learn fast about hackers, viruses, spyware, worms, and trojan horses, otherwise their computers quickly become infected. It is reckoned that an unprotected computer will be hacked withing 25 seconds of it first being connected to the internet.

I don't know how you resolve this issue with your husband. When he is using the computer and it keeps popping up with advert windows, or slows to a crawl, or where applications stop working, or receives tons of spam email, and if he is the sort of person who blames everything and everyone but himself for not taking preventative measures, then I don't know what your next step is.

Sorry.

Mark

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A good anti-virus.
Jul 5, 2007 8:20AM PDT

Perhaps your problem is not in finding a "good" anti-virus, as all of them have their pros and cons. Like to share what happened when AVG stopped working ? I have been using AVG for more than five years with no problems. It detected and stopped almost all the attempted viruses entry.(not even the best of the best can detect all the viruses.) I upgrade to new versions when available and check for update frequently.

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AVG experience
Jul 6, 2007 12:34AM PDT

It was when we had ME on the computer. I don't remember exactly, but it was either when we had the Norton trial or the AVG when a virus hit us. I think it was Norton. That's when we switched to the AVG. After having the AVG for a while, it would pop up in the adware programs and when running it, it never picked up anything. Now I may not be directly on top of everything, but when I open it to run it and it asks me to update, I always did. I do that now. The Avast updates itself. When I open it and try to upgrade, it always tells me I have the latest version.

I have done a search of antivirus programs and the majority seems to go with these two and they really don't seem to work for me.

Although, I have two kids that do surf the net and I try to watch over them, but I have seen that my older daughter likes to click on everything and sign up for everything related to the ipod. After she messed up the machine good once, I thought I got it all cleaned up, I do not even let her open her email by herself.

My memory is not too great, so I am sorry I can't remember exactly.
I do appreciate the help though.
C

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Children and XP
Jul 6, 2007 12:39AM PDT

Children will do this won't they.

Why not create limited User accounts for each of your children. Then they can't download and install anything without your permission. Be sure to password protect your own Admin account(s), and don't forget the hidden Administrator account which usually comes with XP out of the box and is not password protected. If you do, "don't lose those passwords".

Mark

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Jul 6, 2007 2:46AM PDT

Thanks Mark. They do each have their own. I'm not sure if it's limited or not.

Thanks for your help.
C