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Anti-Illegal-Immigrant Law OK'd in Texas

by road runner. May 14, 2007 3:22AM PDT

FARMERS BRANCH, Texas (AP) - Voters in this Dallas suburb became the first in the nation Saturday to prohibit landlords from renting to most illegal immigrants.

The ban was approved by a vote of 68 percent to 32 percent in final, unofficial returns.

The balloting marked the first public vote on a local government measure to crack down on illegal immigration.

"It says especially to Congress that we're tired of the out-of-control illegal immigration problem. That if Congress doesn't do something about it, cities will," said Tim O'Hare, a City Council member who was the ordinance's lead proponent.

The ordinance requires apartment managers to verify that renters are U.S. citizens or legal immigrants before leasing to them, with some exceptions.

Property managers or owners who break the rule face a misdemeanor charge punishable by a fine of up to $500.

Council members approved the ordinance in November, then revised it in January to include exemptions for minors, seniors and some families with a mix of legal residents and illegal immigrants.

Farmers Branch has become the site of protests and angry confrontations, and opponents of the regulation gathered enough signatures to force the city to put the measure on the municipal election ballot.


bout time

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070513/D8P3I0JO0.html

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You have said you lived in Israel..
by EdH May 14, 2007 11:43AM PDT

is that true?

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true, i live in israel
by jonah jones May 14, 2007 11:47AM PDT

but since when do i need a passport to live somewhere

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glenda
by jonah jones May 14, 2007 11:49AM PDT

don't be too influenced by what your friends tell you


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That's NOT at all what I said...
by EdH May 14, 2007 11:51AM PDT

And you know it.

What I said was that I cannot walk into your country with no papers and get an apartment, a job and a driver's license. Right?

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Jonah............
by Glenda May 14, 2007 12:09PM PDT

Care to elaborate? I'm SURE you weren't being insulting!


glenda
by jonah jones - 5/14/07 6:49 PM
In reply to: (NT) you know diddley about where i live by jonah jones
don't be too influenced by what your friends tell you


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edH, what you said was
by jonah jones May 14, 2007 12:08PM PDT

#get a job or apartment or driver's license without having the proper papers and obeying the laws?#

as the main point of the thread (as i see it) is about apartments and the proper papers in this case are (amongst others) a passport..... see where i'm coming from?....


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But that is not at all the same...
by EdH May 14, 2007 12:16PM PDT

as saying you would be required to have a passport. Do you deny that you would need to prove that you were either a citizen or there legally to get an apartment?

That is what the law is about. You cannot rent if you are in the country illegally. What is unreasonable about that?

Could I just come into Israel illegally and get an apartment or would I be asked to leave (probably rather forceably)

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(NT) and i think a birth certificate would be allowed
by road runner. May 14, 2007 12:23PM PDT
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Where I live
by Dragon May 14, 2007 9:44AM PDT

I've seen Mexicans come in to get a driver's license, with birth certificates in hand from the hospital. They are turned away because they have not been certified as being legit.

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Yes, a birth certificate is all that's required
by C1ay May 14, 2007 10:20PM PDT

From your earlier post:

"For U.S. citizens or U.S. nationals, the evidence consists of a signed declaration of U.S. citizenship or U.S. nationality. The verification of the declaration shall be confirmed by requiring presentation of a United States passport or other appropriate documentation in a form designated by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Department (?ICE?) as acceptable evidence of citizneship status."

According to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services in their pamphlet entitled "I am a U.S. citizen - How do I Get Proof Of My Citizenship", it opens:

"If you were born in the United States (U.S.), you were a U.S. citizen at birth. You do not need to apply to USCIS for any evidence of citizenship. Your birth certificate issued by the U.S. State where you were born is proof of your citizenship."

What exactly did you think "other appropriate documentation" meant when you posted it?

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RE: If you were born in the United States (U.S.),
by JP Bill May 14, 2007 10:46PM PDT
If you were born in the United States (U.S.), you were a U.S.
citizen at birth1. You do not need to apply to USCIS for any evidence
of citizenship. Your birth certificate issued by the U.S. State where
you were born is proof of your citizenship.

UNLESS

1There is an exception to this rule. If your parents were here
as foreign diplomats when you were born, you were not a U.S.
citizen at birth, but you may be a permanent resident.

So it is possible to have a birth certificate and NOT be an American citizen.

HOW would a landlord know this? (whether you are a citizen or permanent resident)

How do I apply to have my citizenship recognized?

You have two options:

? You can apply to the U.S. Department of State for a U.S.
passport. A passport is evidence of citizenship and also serves
as a travel document if you need to travel. For information
about applying for a U.S. passport, see the U.S. Department
of State website at www.state.gov.

? If you are already in the U.S., you also have the option of
applying to us using Form N-600, Application for Certificate of
Citizenship. However, you may find applying for a passport to be
more convenient because it also serves as a travel document and
is often a faster process.

This Form N-600 could be the "other appropriate documentation" required.

IF they meant birth certificate why not say birth certificate?
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So
by C1ay May 14, 2007 10:57PM PDT
So it is possible to have a birth certificate and NOT be an American citizen.

The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service says a birth certificate is enough. If you think they are incorrect you need to address that with them, not this forum. In this debate you said a passport is required and that is incorrect according to the responsible agency.

BTW, foreigners born on U.S. soil are U.S. citizens unless their parents go to their own consulate and register the birth with their own country. That is why Jon McCain is considered a U.S. citizen even though he was born in Coco Solo, Panama Canal Zone, Panama. His parents registered his birth with the U.S. consulate there....
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RE: In this debate you said a passport is required
by JP Bill May 14, 2007 11:04PM PDT

What I said was

You need a passport OR some paper signed by Immigration and Customs to rent an apartment?

And I was asking a question.

You do need a passport OR Whatever Immigration and Customs declares.

I do agree I MAY have misspoke in saying signed by

But I did not say that a passport was the ONLY way.

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Right now you are operating on the fringes of what ..
by EdH May 14, 2007 11:15PM PDT

is theoretical and will rarely or NEVER happen. Is there a legitimate objection to this law? The "passport requirement" thing is just not a factor in the real world.

What is the REAL motivation for opposing this law?

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Oh...
by C1ay May 14, 2007 11:22PM PDT
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RE: Oh.....
by JP Bill May 14, 2007 11:33PM PDT

OK Ya' got me

I did say that.

I was wrong, I should have said a passport OR something yet to be determined.

That wasn't too painful.

Now will you admit that I did use a passport OR whatever Immigration and Customs declares in other posts I have made?

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(NT) Sure, acknowledged!
by C1ay May 14, 2007 11:37PM PDT
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i just read their 'manifesto'
by jonah jones May 14, 2007 4:09AM PDT

and to be quite honest, i wouldn't care to live in a town that reeks of BS....


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Hmmmm...
by EdH May 14, 2007 6:10AM PDT

How's that Palestinian situation going?

"Judge not, etc.?"

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(NT) 'scuse? care to elaborate
by jonah jones May 14, 2007 11:26AM PDT
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Do you live in Israel or not?
by EdH May 14, 2007 11:48AM PDT

If you do you know exactly what I'm talking about.

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i do, and i don't
by jonah jones May 14, 2007 12:13PM PDT

so either explain in terms that are understandable without me having to read thoughts, or at least draw me a picture..

you know the old saying "why think when a picture is worth a 1000 words" Wink


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No, I don't know any sayings that start with...
by EdH May 14, 2007 12:22PM PDT
"why think". I think you should think.

I shouldn't have to draw you a picture. Israel has a problem with Palestinians wanting to come across the borders to work and do other things. This is a cause of great anxiety and controversy on both sides. Surely you know this.

You don't see the parallels? Think. On what basis do you criticize us?
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i guess it's how you define "illegal"
by jonah jones May 14, 2007 1:18PM PDT

overstay your "tourist visa" and you're illegal, but while it's valid, you can rent or buy an apartment here, no problem.....


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if you cross boarder
by road runner. May 14, 2007 1:34PM PDT

with out proper papers

like plalistians your neighbors

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Come on...
by EdH May 14, 2007 10:36PM PDT

You know that the people in question are not overstaying a tourist visa. They are people who enter the country illegally and are committing a crime by their very presence.

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And, by tyhe way...
by EdH May 14, 2007 10:41PM PDT

I heard (perhaps you did too) of one town in Israel that tried to pass a law prohibiting rentals to ALL foreigners. Not just illegals, ALL.

Pot, kettle, etc...

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as a citizen of the country
by jonah jones May 14, 2007 11:41PM PDT

under discussion, i wonder, did you just call me a kettle....

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strange, wasn't it you that brought israel
by jonah jones May 14, 2007 11:19PM PDT

into the equation? and then asked me questions? .....

if you want to be a little more specific, then say so.....


and btw, are you saying that all illegals in the US entered illegally?


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Are you saying that all illegals in the US entered illegally
by EdH May 14, 2007 11:33PM PDT

No. I am saying that people who entered illegally are illegals. They are breaking the law by definition. That's what "They are people who enter the country illegally and are committing a crime by their very presence" means.

Is my point about Israel not relevant in this discussion? You have now entered the ducking and dodging phase. You make free to criticize what we do here; look to your own back yard. THAT is where that smell is coming from, methinks.

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