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Anti-Illegal-Immigrant Law OK'd in Texas

by road runner. May 14, 2007 3:22AM PDT

FARMERS BRANCH, Texas (AP) - Voters in this Dallas suburb became the first in the nation Saturday to prohibit landlords from renting to most illegal immigrants.

The ban was approved by a vote of 68 percent to 32 percent in final, unofficial returns.

The balloting marked the first public vote on a local government measure to crack down on illegal immigration.

"It says especially to Congress that we're tired of the out-of-control illegal immigration problem. That if Congress doesn't do something about it, cities will," said Tim O'Hare, a City Council member who was the ordinance's lead proponent.

The ordinance requires apartment managers to verify that renters are U.S. citizens or legal immigrants before leasing to them, with some exceptions.

Property managers or owners who break the rule face a misdemeanor charge punishable by a fine of up to $500.

Council members approved the ordinance in November, then revised it in January to include exemptions for minors, seniors and some families with a mix of legal residents and illegal immigrants.

Farmers Branch has become the site of protests and angry confrontations, and opponents of the regulation gathered enough signatures to force the city to put the measure on the municipal election ballot.


bout time

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070513/D8P3I0JO0.html

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by JP Bill May 14, 2007 3:41AM PDT
CITY OF FARMERS BRANCH

The owner and/or property manager shall require as a prerequisite to entering into any lease or rental arrangement, including any lease or rental renewals or extensions, the submission of evidence of citizenship or eligible immigration status for each tenant family consistent with subsection (3).

(3) Evidence of citizenship or eligible immigration status.

Each family member, regardless of age, must submit the following evidence to the owner and/or property manager.

i. For U.S. citizens or U.S. nationals, the evidence consists of a signed declaration of U.S. citizenship or U.S. nationality. The verification of the declaration shall be confirmed by requiring presentation of a United States passport or other appropriate documentation in a form designated by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Department (?ICE?) as acceptable evidence of citizneship status.

You need a passport OR some paper signed by Immigration and Customs to rent an apartment?

You got either one?

If i needed that in Canada, I wouldn't, unless I applied.

And then I'd have to wait a few months to get them.
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well the unlawfull tide
by road runner. May 14, 2007 3:46AM PDT

needs to be stopped

maybe canada has no problems with unlawful entry.
if they havent a place to live maybe they wont stop in usa go further north as if your saying canada welcomes them im all for it

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(NT) Could YOU rent there?
by JP Bill May 14, 2007 4:01AM PDT
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yes i have my birth certificate
by road runner. May 14, 2007 4:20AM PDT

usa citizen

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I see no mention of birth certificate
by JP Bill May 14, 2007 4:22AM PDT

in the ordinance.

I see passport and paper from Immigration and Customs.

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and in usa birth certificate
by road runner. May 14, 2007 4:33AM PDT

is required to get a passport i would tend to be leave its usable if not

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A birth certificate AND
by JP Bill May 14, 2007 4:47AM PDT

the government investigates you and THEN you get a passport.

Just a birth certificate wouldn't cut it.


The landlord could pay a fine for accepting a birth certificate.

Just hope this doesn't catch on Atlanta could be next.

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i thought you were canadian
by road runner. May 14, 2007 5:04AM PDT

you live in atlanta?

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(NT) I am..........Do you?
by JP Bill May 14, 2007 5:18AM PDT
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(NT) nope i dont live in canada
by road runner. May 14, 2007 6:18AM PDT
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The question was
by JP Bill May 14, 2007 11:37AM PDT

Do you live in Atlanta?

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(NT) nope and why do you care
by road runner. May 14, 2007 12:21PM PDT
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RE:why do you care
by JP Bill May 14, 2007 12:24PM PDT

I don't "care", just wondering.

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I think you're wrong...
by EdH May 14, 2007 6:02AM PDT

the submission of evidence of citizenship or eligible immigration status for each tenant family consistent with subsection (3).

i. For U.S. citizens or U.S. nationals, the evidence consists of a signed declaration of U.S. citizenship or U.S. nationality. The verification of the declaration shall be confirmed by requiring presentation of a United States passport or other appropriate documentation in a form designated by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Department (?ICE?) as acceptable evidence of citizenship status.

Why wouldn't a Birth Certificate be acceptable evidence? I am certain it would be. It is proof of citizenship in almost every case.

You can get a passport in the States in a couple of days if it's urgently needed.

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RE:if it's urgently needed.
by JP Bill May 14, 2007 6:12AM PDT

Do you think the Immigration and Customs thinks "getting an apartment" is "urgent"?

I can see it now, thousands of people looking for approval for an apartment.

You're just "bolding" what i said.

Do you see birth certificate?

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If going on a vacation is "urgent"...
by EdH May 14, 2007 6:41AM PDT

why wouldn't getting an apartment be?

For just about any purpose in the US a birth certificate is sufficient to prove citizenship for a citizen born here. It's what they ask for. Ive been asked for my birth certificate a number of times. I've seldom been asked for a passport.The fact that it is not specifically on your list is completely irrelevant.

What do you imagine they mean?

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This is the first/last time
by JP Bill May 14, 2007 6:22AM PDT
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(NT) so i was right a birth certificate will suffice
by road runner. May 14, 2007 6:30AM PDT
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Not really sure
by JP Bill May 14, 2007 6:40AM PDT

You need a birth certificate to apply for a passport, but you don't get one until they check you out.

Birth certificates are a "dime a dozen" cheaper than driver licenses.

FB site doesn't say what Immigration and Customs accepts.

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It's not Immigration and Customs...
by J. Vega May 14, 2007 10:52AM PDT

U.S. passports are issued by the Department of State, not Immigration and Customs.
BTW, for a passport the birth certificate must be a certified copy.

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RE: It's not Immigration and Customs...
by JP Bill May 14, 2007 11:00AM PDT

What is NOT Immigration and Customs?.

The ordinance states

United States passport or other appropriate documentation in a form designated by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Department (?ICE?) as acceptable evidence of citizneship status.

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Dime a dozen...
by J. Vega May 14, 2007 11:16AM PDT

The charge varies by state but is not exactly a "dime a dozen". The last time I got one cost me $12 each for a certified copy. Cost me $36 for 3 copies.

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Let me ask you this...
by EdH May 14, 2007 7:23AM PDT

Could I just walk into YOUR country uninvited and get a job or apartment or driver's license without having the proper papers and obeying the laws? I KNOW I could not do that in Jonah's country. Sure as hell can't do that in Mexico either.

So why should the US be criticized for having the same kinds of standards and restrictions?

Hope you don't need to do too much "research" to answer this.

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by JP Bill May 14, 2007 10:01AM PDT
Could I just walk into YOUR country uninvited and get a job or an apartment or driver's license without having the proper papers and obeying the laws? I KNOW I could not do that in Jonah's country. Sure as hell can't do that in Mexico either.

Yes

The article is about requiring a passport to get an apartment.
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NO, it is NOT...
by EdH May 14, 2007 12:00PM PDT

It's about proving you are here LEGALLY to get an apartment. Don't distort it. Distorting is the same as... well, you know.

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RE: NO, it is NOT
by JP Bill May 14, 2007 12:10PM PDT

YES!!! IT IS!!!!

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No, try reading the statement
by dirtyrich May 14, 2007 12:14PM PDT

The article states that either a passport or other documents that are accepted by Immigration will be accepatble... the line in question does not state that Immigration needs to send out some sort of waiver or letter on your behalf.
Since most Federal Agencies accept Birth Certificates, SS cards, and other documents as proof of citizenship, someone would pretty much have to make an effort to not have one of these documents. Unless they're here illegally, that is.

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No it's not
by C1ay May 14, 2007 10:22PM PDT
The article is about requiring a passport to get an apartment.

See my post below...
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(NT) you know diddley about where i live
by jonah jones May 14, 2007 11:26AM PDT
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LMAO!!! At this one
by Glenda May 14, 2007 11:30AM PDT

I kind of think Ed knows as much about where you live as you know about the weather in Chicago! Too funny

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