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Another Windows 10 update coming soon?! I'm nervous!

Looks like there is another Windows 10 update coming sometime in November. I just did a big update not too long ago and now there's another one?! Geez, why so many? All these updates make me nervous, as a couple of updates ago, it caused a big headache for me. It took my brother-in-law several days to get my system back on track and I do not want to go through that again. Am I the only one who gets the jitters whenever you hear about a Windows 10 update coming soon? Or am I the odd man out? For the calm and confident Windows users, how do you prepare your system and/or mentally prepare yourself prior to these updates? Or do you just go for it and if a problem arises you just deal with it? Any advice or tips you can spare this nervous Windows user on how to be prepared for the worst case scenario if an update goes bad, will be appreciated.

--Submitted by Luke C.

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Do you pause Windows update?

I do, and keep an eye out for any reports of problems. Fellow mod Grif posts about it in the forums.

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Pre-Windows update actions -

... have been the same: for the past two decades. These first 5 steps are debatable/interchangeable as to order:
1. Wait 2 weeks before running an update to make certain all the kinks/gotchas have been identified and fixed.
2. Run the DeploymentIl Imaging Servicing and Management tool (DISM) from an elevated (admin) command prompt.
3. From the same type of command prompt run the System File Checker (SFC) :. SFC /SCANNOW
4. Scan for viruses.
5. Create at least one form of backup: System recovery image, full backup to a separate HDD/NAS, etc.

Finally a full defrag is highly recommended. After all the above and waiting 2 weeks you can *usually* safely run the update.

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Another Windows 10 update coming soon?

I agree with Luke C. I dread every update because something goes wrong most of the time after the update occurs. I don't see the real advantage of so many updates. Create the app to be a good one at first so you won't need to update so often.

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You Are Not Alone

We have a laptop that came with Windows 10 installed. Setting the Wi-fi as a "metered connection" staved off updates for months at a time. Eventually, we allow the several months-old update to install then set it as metered connection again for several more months. This allows Microsoft to work out most of the bugs before we install an update as well as time to read about any problems that might affect our machine. This has worked pretty well so far. I did one rollback a few ago using System Restore when some unwanted Windows automatic driver updates messed up the laptop.
Our other laptop and PC both began with Windows 8. We did the free in-place upgrade to Windows 10, but we had so many annoying problems/glitches/bugs that, after about a year, we went back to Windows 8.1 with the free Classic Shell start menu. For these two computers Win 8.1 has proven to be the better choice. One other annoyance was that those two machines had Win 8.1 Pro, but the Win 10 upgrade only gave us Win 10 Home and its attendant loss of certain features, a few of which we made use of.

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there could be problems

One of the biggest problems with not updating for months at a time is sometimes computer manufacturers have to provide updates in response to window updates. there can be problems when the window update is not there when the manufacturer updates. I have seen this happen too many times in different help forums over the years.

In addition you miss security updates that is needed to protect your computer.

Post was last edited on November 1, 2019 11:28 PM PDT

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I've been running my computers for years without updates, turned off, or in the case of the one Win 10 we have, Windows Update Blocker. No mysterious things that just stop working, no massive virus, spyware, ransomware of hacking attack. The sky has NOT fallen in.

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The Windows 10 updates

SUCK!. And actually, Windows 8 was a very good OS, just with a very poor default interface (METRO). If you configured it to use Classic Shell or Start 8, it was as stable as Win 7 and faster. This latest Win10 update, I'd bet anyone that 90% of it is garbage changes that are being done for no other reason than something some programmer thought would be neat to do. MS needs to stick to changes that are absolutely necessary for security or stability and stop tweaking other things with each "upgrade" or more like downgrade.

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Waiting is the answer

I haven't had a problem with the upgrades and now that I have said it, I hope that I haven't jinxed myself. But I would strongly suggest you wait at least one month, if not two, to see if there are any bugs. Don't be an early upgrader. If there are issues, they will be sorted out in due time ... MS doesn't need to get its reputation sullied any more than it is.

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There are many ways to calm your nerves

1. Block automatic Windows updates and even downloading them. You can do it in many ways. For example by setting your Internet connection as “metered” or installing Windows Update Blocker.

2. Wait and read about all the bugs or problems arising with this update.

3. Make sure you can easily come back to the previous version. Though even Windows give you the option to do it, creating the folder Windows.old, the most reliable method is to make a backup of the whole system partition. To make it easier never keep your system and data or the same partition.

4. If opinions are positive, bugs corrected (usually after several weeks or months) and you feel ready and well prepared for the update, turn off update blockers and update.

5. If you have more than one computer, do it first on the least important one. I do it on my smaller travel laptop to see if any problems arise.

Good luck

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Calm and Confident - How I Prepare

I am an old computer guy, working with old Multics punchcard systems back before most of you young whippersnappers were born. My chief career was as an IT engineer and system and network administrator.

My Windows machine is quite mature. I built it myself in 2010 and it still serves me very well (although I am just ITCHING to build a new one!). Its software has been handed down from generation to generation on my PCs, and some of it (like King's Quest 1 and Bookworm) dates back to my first XT, and much else of it is freeware and open source, including game console emulators for Atari, Nintendo and old Z-80 play-for-a-quarter arcade games. I have transcoders and compilers and video editors and just all kinds of high-process-load, memory-intensive stuff.

The way I prepare for major feature updates in Windows (which only come around every six months or so, which I do not consider to be "frequently" in the IT world) is to keep my operating system and drivers up to date at all times and obtain my applications from trusted sources and install them with their default settings (unless they come with additional unwanted applications - with some freeware sometimes you have to pay close attention and practically force it not to install those).

I installed my original Windows on this machine (Vista) with its defaults, and all subsequent upgrades/updates with their defaults intact, only subsequently modifying some security settings.

The biggest problem I have ever had with an upgrade or an update was that I sometimes had to reinstall my HP printer drivers following a major update, but that has not happened for years. Major updates also tend to delete my Microsoft XT games like Minesweeper, Spider Solitaire and Freecell, which I just reinstall subsequent to performing the update. It leaves my records intact (like my 14,448-game winning streak in FreeCell).

MS made one mistake once -- that weird file deletion problem several updates back. Nobody's perfect, and backing up your data is something you really need to do anyhow. But, although I am an early adopter, that problem never affected any of my five computers.

I have found it to be one of the smoothest upgrade exercises throughout the history of computer operating systems, and I actually look forward to it because occasionally some of the added features are something I find useful.

The updates are HIGHLY recommended because they all contain security enhancements that you would be a fool not to install.

And, if you have a mature machine with many older applications, thank your lucky stars you aren't an Apple user. Their most recent upgrade made all of all of their users' 32-bit applications useless.

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Another veteran here, Atari, Commodore, Z-80, punch cards, the lot (born in '55). I can sign each and every word you've said. Never a single serious problem with Microsoft software or its upgrades, and that includes times of Windows 3 when you had to know the memory address and the IRQs if you wanted to install stuff like display or sound card. I'm also serving as an on-call IT serviceman for many of my family and friends. The majority of the problems they have stems from one or more "unhygienic" ways of using their systems - pirate software, unsavory free sites for movies, music, sports and porn, bloatware (or indeed malicious code) coming with all sorts of stuff they carelessly install or as a result of blindly clicking on "yes" buttons in dialogs without bothering to find out what they say "yes" to.

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Window Upgrade? Forget it. Free Cell rules

I thought I was the only one who dragged Free Cell into the Windows 10 era. The big question, though, is how you maintained that long of a winning streak. Some games appear (to me at least) to be unsolvable. Perhaps you are a genius or are you using Task Manager to shut down games when you are stuck?

Never had trouble with needing to reinstall Free Cell after a Windows 10 update. BTW, I was a Hollerith card man myself. Not an IT guy, I was just a user on the bleeding edge.

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I am told...

I have been told that there is only one unsolvable Freecell game, which evidently I have not yet encountered.

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How did you

Though not addressing the endless deluge (lets get real --- there are just way too many) of troublesome Win10 updates ... which in almost ever incident loose me data as the ijits at MS will not autosave before updating
But my question to you is, how, how did you get your 'generational hand me down software to run under win10 ... because despite their claims, other than MS programs 95% of my programs that ran fine under (NT), 95, 98, Vista, XP even 2000 would not run, often not even install under win 10 ... I am running a separate XP machine just to maintain a couple of key graphics programs (defunct programs with features I loved)
...just how did you ??

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Troublesome update to version 1903

My PC was built to my specification in 2011 and I tried every conceivable way to get updated to version 1903 but no matter what I did my USB keyboard and mouse would not work and the update failed. I finally burned it to DVD but the only way I could interact was by connecting a PS2 keyboard and mouse and then I succeeded. Fortunately my system came with PS2 connectors and I'm worried about the next major update causing me to have to do the same. I was on Plan Z + 1 when I decided to try the PS2 keyboard and mouse and I'm glad I kept them! Then again I seem to remember having trouble installing MS DOS 6 many years ago!

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Update to version 1903

You don't mention what you were coming from. At work we have a bunch of Dell Opti 380's (circa 2010) and Opti 780's that were running Win 7 Pro 32-bit because our main database is a DOS program the company owner flatly refuses to replace.

When I tried upgrading to 1803 the Dells wouldn't take it. I had to upgrade to 1703, then from there I could go to 1803, then 1809.

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A fantastic website for keeping up with the latest patches and upgrades. Very informative and up to date.

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Yes an excellent site to see the "Gotcha's" and there are articles to tell you how to avoid being a "tester" for MS and stop the updates for long enough to let MS sort out the bugs they seem to create on EVERY feature update and also the security updates. I follow askwoody religiously.
Personally I clone my drive before I allow any updates and I also set a restore point. I have W10 Pro so I use group policy to stop downloads until I'm ready.

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Yes - AskWoody has great info

I have subscribed through its various iterations and you get really good info about updates. The general rule is hold off a bit when you can and check and see what problems people are having. Then you are a little prepared for the possibilities.

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Be Very Very Scared.

And don't forget to drink! Laugh Backups can take a long time and be boring....

Seriously, this time I'm not feeling too good, because recently trying to install the pending update shown in Windows Update wouldn't install. Now that's a bad omen right there.

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Seriously you've got Mint on there, and you're wanting to screw your system up with Windows 10 when you have a perfectly good Windows 7 partition. Say no more.

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in wrong thread?

I don't see Mint nor W7 mentioned in this.

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Many General Items Already Said

1. Pause - If you are not technically adventurous, PAUSE updates as long as you can. Let the tech heavies do the testing.

2. Start doing backups - I bought a very reasonable 8 TB USB 3.0 drive. If you can find easy-to-understand backup software, use that. Remember, backing up isn't an issue; RESTORING is and you'd like to keep several generations of backups. Don't just copy files over one another; you can copy a BAD version over a good backup.

3. Good idea to do restore points - You can look up, under Cortana how to create these. They may not help you with a massive creator update, but can help with other updates.

4. Update your drivers - Drivers are software that interfaces hardware devices to the operating system and some other software. Places to look: Your OEM (Dell, HP, ASUS, etc.) support websites, software that came on your PC from the OEM, the website of the manufacturer of any hardware that you ADDED, like graphics card manufacturers. Remember to match the version of Windows (i.e, Win 10) and the bit size (32 or 64 bits) of the OS.

5. Previous updates - Sometimes we try to stop previous updates. However, these updates could be REQUIREMENTS for future updates. So, if you know the big update is coming soon but not yet, now is probably a good time to apply at least cumulative updates.

Now the really technical part -- system maintenance

a. Run CHKDSK - How? Right-click on the "start" button in the corner and select: "Command Prompt (Admin)". Get that going. On the command line:

chkdsk /F <-- this is a minimum, by doing chkdsk /? you can see all options but be careful. You may have to answer a "lock" message with a "Y" and reboot at your convenience.

b. Check your disk space availability!! If you don't have at least 64 GB available (like some of those eMMC cheap laptops) the update is going to have issues. Good time to clean up old junk. Ask Cortana how.

c. Defrag? Maybe a good thing if you are not using an SSD. After cleanup.

d. Run DISM - this will make sure your OS image is OK. You have to right-click on start and open the Command Prmpt (Admin) again. Then type:

dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

Let that finish. then...

e. Run an SFC scan:


also from the Admin command prompt

f. Under Control Panel --> Troubleshooting --> System and Security, run the troubleshooter for Microsoft Update. Can't hurt.

g. Under Settings --> Update & Security, choose to view update history. You may want to research errors that you see.


When doing updates, be patient. They don't usually run as fast as under previous Windows versions especially the semi-annual updates. Black screen during update? Move mouse and double click a few times. if it still doesn't come back, see if your HDD activity light is on. Just give it time....

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Re: Many General Items Already Said

I don't think DISM is for normal home users, but I might try it sometime.
sfc and chkdsk are excellent suggestions, they can resolve a LOT of problems.

Microsoft media creation tool link.

Doing a clean install with a new image works wonders for most people. Since they started putting the Windows license key in non-volatile memory, it's a quick and easy solution if things really go fubar. Just do a custom install and remove all the disk partitions (Windows will create what it needs), and you really get a nice clean install.

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Some tips.

1. Before a major upgrade comes out, create a Windows installation USB stick. When you visit and use the Windows tool to create the stick, it creates with the then current patch level. (I found this out with a cheap laptop that only had a 32 gig drive, it couldn't install updates, but it could install a fresh copy with the latest patches)
2. Create another USB stick after the latest update comes out. This gives you one to use for the next major update, and if the update process causes problems, you can almost always do a fresh install with that same update without any problems.

FYI, Windows 10 if you have hardware more recent than a decade or so stores the license key in non-volatile memory. Rather than trying to clean garbage ware off a newly purchased machine, I just format the hard drive and do a fresh install. Great way to avoid problems. You won't even need to enter the license key, and if you have an SSD and fast internet, takes an i3 laptop about 20 minutes to do a full install, reboot, and then install all updates.

People jump through all sorts of hoops trying to salvage some years old Windows install, but why? I have subscribed to Office, and besides being able to share the install with my two daughters, wife, etc, it gives us each a one terabyte one drive. Just play with the one drive defaults, and you will find what you need already there on a new machine you set up. All your docs, saved games, pictures, etc. I never lose any sleep about doing a fresh install, I just keep lots of license keys for tools I use (makemkv, textpad, winrar, etc) on one drive. Works well for me.

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Not sure why the hullabaloo

I've been on the fast track for a long, long time and have never had a problem with updates. We inconstantly are running two computers and occasionally another two old desktops. No problems with any of them. Customers have problems, usually due to the fact that they don't understand updates. They turn the computers off without realizing updates are at some stage of happening and lately I am finding they turn the computer off with the power button.

My conclusion is that the problem is not the update but uninformed or ill-informed users.

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windows 10 update, last one hit me hard

That last update killed my computer. Had to buy a new one. I don't have anyone that new how to fix it. So I'm out $600. Maybe some day I will go to Lenox.

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Try a fresh install.

If an update failed, use the media creation tool and an 8 gig or larger USB flash drive.
media creation tool link
Boot from the USB drive you created, select custom install, then when you get there, delete all disk partitions and let Windows recreate the partitions it needs. Unless it is a genuine hardware problem, this works well.

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so sick of windows 10,three laptops wrecked in two years after updates, windows is in the bin,Chromebook for me now

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Know your specific system and record if something bad happen

If an update messed something up before on one of your computers - it likely will again. I have 7 computers of various ages running Windows 10 now. Most take all the updates pretty well. Sometimes things move around a bit but all is ok. Except
for one. I have a 2011 Lenovo All-in-one that every update breaks. Took me quite a while to figure out what was going on. What happens is that every Windows 10 system is incompatible with the touchscreen software that came with the computer. I must go into the Hardware & Devices and go to that particular Human Interface system and TURN IT OFF. In otherwords I must turn my touchscreen computer into a mouse and keyboard system only. So I have this ritual typed up and taped to the back of the screen because I am old and half the time I forget this is what happens - every single time.

The symptom is that shortly after the update and reboot my mouse cursor starts jumping around all over the place and after about 5 minutes becomes completely uncontrollable. Tiny circular ripples appear on the screen at every cursor jump and then after about 10 minutes they simply bubble up everywhere. The only thing to do is to pull the plug because there is no other way to even turn it off.

I am posting this because it might happen to someone else and it is very difficult to find out what is wrong. Originally when it first occurred I went to every tech forum, wiped my whole system and started over etc and nothing fixed it. Then one day in some obscure place someone posted that he had this problem and posted the fix that worked for him and worked for me.

I hope no one else has that happen but if you do this might be the fix you need.

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