Rant

Another successful visit by BO

Discussion is locked
Follow
Reply to: Another successful visit by BO
PLEASE NOTE: Do not post advertisements, offensive materials, profanity, or personal attacks. Please remember to be considerate of other members. If you are new to the CNET Forums, please read our CNET Forums FAQ. All submitted content is subject to our Terms of Use.
Reporting: Another successful visit by BO
This post has been flagged and will be reviewed by our staff. Thank you for helping us maintain CNET's great community.
Sorry, there was a problem flagging this post. Please try again now or at a later time.
If you believe this post is offensive or violates the CNET Forums' Usage policies, you can report it below (this will not automatically remove the post). Once reported, our moderators will be notified and the post will be reviewed.
Comments
- Collapse -
A large segment of the island population....

.....has been wanting independence for generations. Do you really think that if any other president had gone there that those separatists would have behaved differently?

Nice attempt to blame this on Obama...

- Collapse -
Never said it was his fault

I'm saying this is another example of how he is 'immune' to what is happening all around him. Another example was his campaign trip to Texas in El Paso recently where he was on the stage expounding how 'safe' the borders are, while a few blocks away gunfire was hitting buildings from across the border. If he had planned on doing anything about giving them independence, he would have said more than just a few words about it....he was there in campaign mode trying to secure the votes from the ones here in the states and for no other reason.

- Collapse -
Yeah, maybe he should have had his people....

....set up "free speech zones" like the Bush people did, so they wouldn't have to see/hear those protests. Wink

And imagine the gall, a politician campaigning. My goodness, will the madness never stop... Wink

- Collapse -
At the very least,,,

It's yet another example of the left-wing hypocrisy in the MSM.

Back in the Bush days, if two people showed up with anti Bush posters, it was headline news.

- Collapse -
Like what, Mark...

Like examples of what, Mark? 2 are arms of Indymedia network, The San Francisco site says "We function as a non-commercial, non-corporate, anti-capitalist collective." Indymedia Quebec distributes information, analysis, and multimedia content of a socio-political nature which supports popular struggles or the emancipation of oppressed and exploited peoples. The 3rd one is the World Socialists Web Site. The 4th is a blog, the basic policy statement I couldn't find easily.
The first 3 seem to have something in common that might reflect on their objectivity in the case of news coverage.

- Collapse -
(NT) So they were not anti-Bush demonstrations?
- Collapse -
Oh, and did you see in the news

When Obama was heckled at a fundraiser recently?

- Collapse -
Got a link

I enjoy a good laugh.

- Collapse -
Saw that last night

wanted a new laugh from M_H

- Collapse -
RE: I couldn't find even one hit on my google search where

I couldn't find even one hit on my google search where the MSM covered this at all.

Is PBS MSM?

Is AP MSM?

Is your google broken?

- Collapse -
What is Puerto Rico's status?

Are they another state, or what? I have never been quite sure.

Mark

- Collapse -
They are US citizens; however
- Collapse -
In other words, he's campaigning

In light of what happened in 2000, seems to me that trying to win Florida is probably a pretty good idea.

Honestly, Toni, if he hadn't gone, you'd probably chastise him for ignoring such a large segment of our population.

- Collapse -
Considering the fact

that he's the first campaigner and the first president in many, many years to even visit the island before an election means that I sure wouldn't chastise him for ignoring them. It only proves my point that instead of campaigning in Florida where the voters actually ARE, he's again looking to family members and friends on the island to influence those in Florida. And just like he did with the Hispanic vote during 2008, he is 'promising' much that he won't deliver on again. I hope they all realize that it's a game to him and that they are being used once more.

- Collapse -
Apparently....

....the strategy worked quite well in 2008.

I still don't understand how this "game" is any different than the "game" all politicians play. How many of those desperate last-minute promises that John McCain made do you think he'd have even tried to keep?

- Collapse -
We'll never know

but the only campaign promises that BO made that he actually kept were to 'necessarily skyrocket energy costs', cram a healthcare program down our throats without anybody including the people voting for it ever knowing what was in it first, and 'fundamentally transform America' into something nobody recognizes anymore.

- Collapse -
The healthcare plan....

.....was a central part of his campaign. The people who voted for him (presumably) knew what he was planning to do. It was only "crammed down the throats" (one of the most-often used Fox News expressions, by the way) of the people who voted against him, which would be the case with any new legislation passed by the president you didn't vote for.

The things I don't recognize about America are the people advocating government-sanctioned discrimination against one of the largest religions in the world, advocating torture and things like that.

- Collapse -
Actually

there are 27 states that are against the healthcare plan...that covers an awful lot of 'non-voters'

Healthcare wasn't the only thing he 'crammed down our throats'....try controversial EPA Executive Orders and all the new regulations that are actually shutting down industries and losing more jobs. How about the lawsuit against Arizona for trying to do the job the Feds aren't doing? How about the NLRB suing in NC over Boeing jobs being created in a 'right to work' state? How about the President of Mexico getting a standing ovation in 'at the time' a Dem run House condemning Arizona's bill? How about giving $2B to Brazil for oil drilling and claiming we'd be their best customer instead of using that money to re-create the jobs HE personally lost due to his moratorium in the Gulf? How about a stimulus bill that not only wasn't shovel ready but also gave money to a company out west to make solar panels, had a PR photo op with them, just to have that same company FOLD within a year? How about how he, by Executive Order, created a commission to find ways to cut the deficit and then totally ignored them? How about refusing to do anything about protecting our southern border but never condemning Mexico for their extremely rigid immigration laws and the border THEY created at THEIR southern border to keep illegals out?

You can cry all you want about how the most-often used phrase used by Fox News is 'crammed down our throats', but it's the only news organization that is willing to point out all the garbage that BO keeps tossing at us. No MSM will speak out against any of it....maybe because they are still hoping for that 'tingle up their legs' to happen again?

Your liberal definition of torture is by far different from my conservative one....and my definition got us UBL, thank you very much. And those torture methods never maimed or killed anybody...mostly they hurt somebody's freaking feelings by being humiliated or not given their 'holy book'. Far better treatment than radical Islamists would have done to us.

- Collapse -
A good litany of Obama's offenses

2012, let's change the channel to a new show.

- Collapse -
Are you saying torture got OBL

We definitely watch different news stories.

Diana

- Collapse -
Are you saying torture got OBL

We definitely watch different news stories.

Diana

- Collapse -
The majority of citizens, no matter...

...how they voted in the presidential election, were against the Health Plan. THAT'S why it's considered as being rammed down the throats of all Americans. It was a clear message that absolute political power, once gained, will ignore the people's desires.

- Collapse -
Josh, do you think...

Josh, you said "The people who voted for him (presumably) knew what he was planning to do.".
Do you think that they expected a 2000+ page bill that was passed before people could read and examine it? Do you think the majority of people held with the idea that we should pass it, and then read it? As I remember even Senator Byrd thought using reconciliation to pass it was a misuse of reconciliation.

- Collapse -
I doubt people contemplated the size of the bill

But they did understand beforehand what was likely to be in it. There weren't any big surprises. Obama campaigned on health care reform and so did Hillary.

If someone voted for Obama despite not liking his proposals re: health care, well, that's a decision they have to live with.

- Collapse -
So we talk either the whole package or none of it?

And then we expect the largest voting turnout possible? I don't think so. Presidents campaign on generalities and not specifics of their plans...if they even really have any. I consider them more like carnival barkers. You're not given the specifics of the game until your money is in their hands. Then..they got ya'. Happy

- Collapse -
No, it's just.....

.....that Toni (and others coughing up that same "rammed down our throats" talking point) would have you believe that all of a sudden the American people went, "WHAT? He wants to overhaul the health care system?????" And we all know that isn't how it was.

- Collapse -
Nope

They didn't go "What, He wants to overhaul the health care system"...they went "WHAT, he never said anything about this, and this, and this, and the cost, and he said I could keep what I had if I didn't like his plan and that's a lie, and what about this, and this, and this?"

- Collapse -
I'd be for some sort of overhaul

but be suspicious about anyone claiming they could do it that quickly without creating trauma. An overhaul requires a very thorough inspection as to what needs to be addressed and then some careful planning. That takes time. Had he done his homework over two or more years, it might have been different. But he didn't want to just overhaul what was there. He wanted to tear it down and rebuild it anew. This might have not been the worst of thoughts but it was certainly a bit scary.

I really don't think this president truly started off with the fullest confidence of even the majority of those who voted for him. His winning margin was fairly wide but I don't think it could be said that he had a mandate yet. He was still a bit of an unknown quantity and, IMO, should have been a bit more cautious. Better it might have been if he could have focused on doing a good enough job to be considered for a second term. With that he may have gained enough of the confidence of the nation to embark on his bigger projects. His health care plan was too much too soon, I think.

CNET Forums