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Question

Another repub flop

Sep 27, 2017 10:23AM PDT

Health care repeal #2.......flush
Can the repubs govern?
They have all 3 branches and after 9 months nothing.

The next episode of the Washington comedy show is tax reform.
This will be amusing.....stay tuned.

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To be fair, Bob__b
Sep 27, 2017 10:40AM PDT

The "repubs" need to capture nearly 100% on their side to even have a prayer. Their opposition party is already at 0% approval before any "repub" plan is even introduce. This is gridlock on automatic and not the fault of one party or another. I'd not be relishing in this as being evidence that they've failed.

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Re;To be fair
Sep 27, 2017 11:15AM PDT

The repubs took 50 symbolic votes over the years to repeal health care.
In all those years they never made a plan.
Then they got in power and they scrambled to throw something together.
Then they brought it up for a vote and it failed.
So they tried it a second time and it failed.
Why is it so difficult to sit down with the other party and do a little give and take and come up with a plan that has enough votes to pass?
I suppose something like that would not play well with the far left or right but at least we move forward.

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I'd say it might be that
Sep 27, 2017 11:43AM PDT

members on both sides are avoiding the issue due to fear of losing their jobs in the 2018 mid terms. I've not heard any reported signs that the ACA's financial problems will self correct anytime soon. If the prediction that it will "implode" comes true, you may get to see the finger pointing all over again. I could wonder if the Democrats are also withholding any formal plans to introduce a "single payer" option for the same reason...fear of losing their own jobs and needing to acknowledge that their Obamacare plan didn't prove itself.

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You got it
Sep 27, 2017 12:16PM PDT

Pols have one priority.....self preservation.

The dems took a shot it's not working very well, fine now find the problems and fix them.

I don't think we need a far left or right fix at this point.

Put the problems on the table and get both sides to agree on enough fixes that will have the votes to pass.

You don't want far left or right people at the table that won't go anywhere.

Personally I don't see why we can't have a medicare buy in program but that moves off in a different direction.

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Sounds good on paper BUT
Sep 28, 2017 3:45AM PDT

the reality of it is you have DEM leaders in the Senate over the last 13 years that have imposed their own 'bullying' threats to their members (especially NEW members) that if they don't all vote as a 'unified' party, those members will be taken off the various committees they serve on. Plus for 8 of those years, the DEM Senate leader, Reid, wouldn't even bring bills up for a vote that a REP House passed in order to protect BO from having to be the 'bad guy' by issuing vetoes, especially if those bills were popular enough with DEM members that they would actually vote with REPS and pass it. He wouldn't take that risk. You also have a DEM leader in Schumer who, with regard to Obamacare, has stated publicly that IF the REPS take 'repeal' off the table, it's the ONLY way the DEMS would present their ideas for 'fixing' Obamacare.......they are still locked into saving BO's and their legacy bill (the ONLY legislation they passed in 8 years that Trump didn't have the power to reverse with an EO). They KNOW it's bad legislation but can't swallow that loss,

As for your suggestion about 'buying into' Medicare.......again, you are talking about a massive government takeover of healthcare for the entire country and when you look at how 'well' Medicare, the VA, and Medicaid has worked over the years since they've been implemented, all three have been disasters for those affected by it. It used to be that there were strict requirements to be eligible for the welfare branch for Medicaid and now more than 45 million are on it because BO lowered those requirements to include people who would have been laughed at for even applying for it. The VA has become so corrupt, especially with a BONUS system that should NEVER have been put into place, that employees cooked the books to get those bonuses all at the expense of the real care for those who sacrificed too much for them and they can't be fired over it because of the UNIONS. Medicare has been cut so drastically because of Obamacare that most seniors are barely getting care anymore because so many doctors won't take on new patients, including refusing Medicaid patients. AND it doesn't help any that millions of people who ran out of unemployment benefits under BO that they used the 'mental stress' excuse to become eligible to get on Social Security Disability benefits instead and that program INCLUDES Medicare coverage.

There are also caps on how much you have taken out of your paycheck for Social Security and Medicare benefits......there should be a total elimination of those caps so that no matter how much you make or how many years you work, you should continue to pay into the system because the FACTS prove that most people who collect back on those benefits later on, unless they die right away upon retirement, they ALWAYS collect far more thousands of dollars than they ever paid into it. So their claim that 'I paid into the system and I want my benefits' is bogus. When there isn't enough money to pay everyone because of low participation over time and you have another government healthcare program taking funds from the OTHER program to help pay for it, and you have massive 'subsidies' being given to people to pay for their premiums, you have nothing but crap sandwiches being thrown out to the taxpayers who ARE paying to cover those who AREN'T, what did you expect would happen?

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RE:the reality of it is
Sep 28, 2017 6:50AM PDT

The "reality" IS

There is NO "YES voter" that is 'in the hospital" AND there aren't enough votes to Repeal and Replace.

YOO HOO!!!!...I'm over here NOT in the hospital!!!!!...What am I?...Invisible?

A Republican senator tweeted Wednesday that he is not in the hospital, after President Donald Trump repeatedly cited his supposed hospitalization as a reason Republicans did not have enough votes to pass healthcare legislation in the Senate.

"Thanks for the well-wishes," tweeted Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi. "I'm not hospitalized, but am recuperating at home in Mississippi and look forward to returning to work soon."

"Trump just said 6 times that Graham-Cassidy failed because 'there was a senator in the hospital,'" tweeted CNBC reporter Christina Wilkie. "There are no senators in the hospital."

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And this has WHAT to do with
Sep 28, 2017 7:28AM PDT

my posted FACTUAL response to Bob?

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RE: And this has WHAT to do with
Sep 28, 2017 8:02AM PDT
And this has WHAT to do with my posted FACTUAL response to Bob?

"Reality"....That's what it has to do with a FACTUAL response....

TheRUMP doesn't live in "the REAL world".

The Repeal and Replace didn't pass by 3 votes...so having ONE more person that would/might have voted YES...still leaves him 2 votes short of success....

Do the math....The guy is a pathological liar....THAT'S a FACT......

RE: that if they don't all vote as a 'unified' party, those members will be taken off the various committees they serve on.

Some get "kicked off" of various committees ...Others hear "YOU'RE FIRED!!!!" OR he unfriends them.
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Oh, Good grief
Sep 28, 2017 10:39AM PDT

Yes, he would have been two short of the vote, BUT the VP as head of the Senate would be the tie breaking vote and it would have passed. Do the math...THAT's a FACT.

The pathological liar isn't Trump....it's what we had for 8 years prior, JP....you just can't face that like the rest of the liberals.

No, JP...You're Fired means just that....you go away and never come back. When you get taken off committees you still are a member of Congress and can vote on bills. THAT's a FACT. The sad part is that there are many new members on both sides of the aisle that get appointed to committees and they gain experience/knowledge about bills and policy in order to make rational decisions about how they believe they SHOULD vote and not because they are threatened into a vote with losing that experience/knowledge so they vote deaf/dumb/and blind.

Please get yours right at least next time, ok?

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RE:Yes, he would have been two short of the vote, BUT the VP
Sep 28, 2017 11:52AM PDT

Yes, he would have been two short of the vote, BUT the VP as head of the Senate would be the tie breaking vote and it would have passed. Do the math...THAT's a FACT.

Donald Trump Fact Check: Do Republicans Have Enough Votes To Pass a Healthcare Bill?

Donald Trump has claimed several times over the past few days that Republicans have enough votes to repeal and replace Obamacare.

Congress is currently making use of a special legislative procedure called budget reconciliation, an optional process designed to force legislation through Congress in order to meet spending considerations outlined in the annual federal budget.

Such a bill would only need a simple majority—51 votes in the Senate—to pass, cannot be filibustered, and must be voted on by September 30.

The president claimed that without the missing key vote—from Senator Thad Cochran, who is currently at home recovering from a urological procedure—the party would not be able to meet the Friday reconciliation deadline, thus killing the chance for healthcare reform this year via reconciliation.

However, the dissenting senators—John McCain, Lisa Murkowski and Rand Paul—leaves the GOP with only 49 senators supporting the bill, EVEN WITH Cochran’s “yes” vote.

That means the bill is dead with or without Cochran, and Trump’s claim that Republicans “have the votes” is false.


49 FOR...51 AGAINST

FIRST You need a "TIE" BEFORE you have a "tie braking vote"?

What's up- with that?....NO tie...NO vote?

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RE: they are threatened into a vote
Sep 28, 2017 11:59AM PDT

Some are threatened...others are bribed....

TheRUMP called up Strange Luther....asking for his support...Luther gave his support, no questions asked........TheRUMP jumped on Luthers bandwagon...Luther has NO bandwagon...

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RE:Please get yours right at least next time, ok?
Sep 28, 2017 1:33PM PDT

I could "go dark" like SOME are known to do.....

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Agree
Sep 28, 2017 7:59AM PDT

I don't think there should be a wage cap on FICA.

The cap did jump for 2017.

The VA was a system gone wild, now that it has been brought out in the open will see if anything changes.

Medicare buy in.
I was thinking of medicare part BI.
It's not mandatory it's optional.
Instead of the government sending money to the insurance companies send it to medicare BI.
Then medicare sets the premium rate so as to be self funded.
It's not a for profit system.

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RE: Sounds good on paper BUT
Sep 28, 2017 1:27PM PDT

sounds good on the campaign trail...BUT...when reality kicks in?

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Trump never campaigned on
Sep 28, 2017 2:42PM PDT

the issues that Bob suggested, JP.

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campaigned on
Sep 28, 2017 4:20PM PDT

What issues did I suggest?

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The Medicare buy in
Sep 29, 2017 3:00AM PDT

You mentioned Part BI....there is only a Part B that covers doctors, physical therapy, etc.....I don't know of any Part BI.

I think, instead, that patients and doctors should be able to have a separate situation wherein the doctors have a yearly flat rate that patients can pay by the month if they can't afford a whole year at a time and not have to pay anything else to that doctor for office visits, etc. If patients know ahead of time how much tests would be, they can pay for that separately as well. That way Part B gets eliminated completely and the government is removed from overpayments due to fraud that appears to be running pretty rampant.

Unfortunately, once the government starts giving stuff to people, they are very reluctant to go back to taking care of stuff themselves.

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You are correct
Sep 29, 2017 5:31AM PDT

There is no part BI.
This would be a new part created just for buy in.

It was just an idle thought on how to get over the hurdle of a program the dems created that has problems and that the repubs can't fix.

All programs need a watchdog otherwise there will be abuse.