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Just more proof
Feb 16, 2010 6:23PM PST

that hindsight is 20-20. Not to make light of this but I'm sure that a wide range of predictions occurred as are occurring now. Some will come to pass and some won't. You can start writing your stories now and pull out the one that fits later. Wink

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It's not hindsight Steven
Feb 16, 2010 10:20PM PST

It is the story of how a government official with the power to regulate one of the key dominoes in the current financial crisis was talked out of doing it by the people who believe that the business world will regulate itself.

Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it.

Those same market forces that demanded to be left to their own devices then... are back at it today. The banking and insurance industries still lobby for no interference from government regulations. Isn't that a lot like a diabetic who just came out of a hypoglycemic coma reaching for another candy bar?

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Maybe yes and maybe no
Feb 16, 2010 10:43PM PST

When divergent predictions are made, someone will always get the opportunity to say "I told you so" but there's never an opportunity to try what they would have suggested and have the proof be otherwise. We also know how a nudge here and there or an unforeseen event can change the entire landscape either suddenly or over time. Neither hand wringing or knee jerking ever did anyone good.

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(NT) Question : did you watch the show ?
Feb 16, 2010 10:50PM PST
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Answer...I watched what was in your link
Feb 17, 2010 12:52AM PST

I think it's too bad that it comes off as a movie documentary with a purpose with a trailer like introduction with an ominous title . You can watch the good guys become the bad during the rise of an unlikely hero. You get proper background music and noises to augment the moods. It's David against Goliath all over again in epic battle except that David's triumph is, in a sense, postmortem....and one of vindication and not victory. It's hindsight. Of course alluded to briefly near the end of the presentation is that her concern was only one of many components that led to the meltdown. Thus, adopting her strategy might not have prevented, but maybe lessened, the damage.

In any event, presentations of this type with all their embellishments are ones that require that proverbial grain of salt to go with them. Wink

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There's that quote again...
Feb 17, 2010 3:51AM PST

The quote (or variations), Those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it, gets a lot of play in various discussions. It was by George Santayana. another one of his quotes was "History is a pack of lies about events that never happened told by people who weren't there.". They are both interesting quotes, but don't prove anything.

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Sorry I missed the shw.
Feb 16, 2010 11:22PM PST

I often watch "Front-line". Definitely a series that offers a heavy helping of food for

I have only read the firs page, so cannot comment on the content. My only impression from that was when a lot of money is being made (with remarkably little effort) , there is no rush to kill the cash cow. So the result is to react rather than be proactive.

Angeline

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I've just started a book
Feb 17, 2010 12:12AM PST

Meltdown How Greed and Corruption Shattered Our Financial System and How We Can Recover by Katrina Vanden Heuvel and the editors of the Nation.

It talks about Peter Goodman of the New York Times produced a devastating account of how the Federal Reserve and the Clinton administration collaborated to block efforts to regulate the credit derivatives that became a critical factor in inducing the present crisis.

Goodman patiently reconstructed how the CFTC efforts to impose regulatory oversight on derivatives were stymied by Fed chair Alan Greenspan, Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and SEC chair Arthur Levitt in 1997. Greenspan, Rubin and Levitt very publicly kneecapped commission chair Brooksley Born and effectively drove her from government. They staged a brutal dressing-down and urged Congress to prevent her from acting. Congress complied with a low blocking CFTC action. Lawrence Summers, Rubin's deputy at Treasury and later secretary himself, personally rebuked Born and accused her of theatening a financial crisis.


Later it says Greenspan, under grilling from Rep. Waxman, offered a weasel-worded admission that he had been mistaken about derivatives. Otherwise, none of these guys have acknoledged error, much less apologized to the American people.

I haven't gotten very far in the book because I can only read a few pages at a time without wanting to shoot someone. I just haven't figured out who yet.

Diana

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I hope history...
Feb 17, 2010 1:20AM PST

...gives Greenspan everything he deserves in regard to his leading part in destroying the economy. Lowering rates to the basement for his buddies, then when "wage inflation" started as was natural to keep up and follow behind the huge profit inflation of corporations, there was Greenspan to start putting the screws on the economy again. When you look at a graph of his lowering rates then raising them across a timeline with previous years in it too, you will see a distinct and strong "V" shape, and it isn't for "victory" but evidence of the way he used Fed induced interest rates to whipsaw this economy. Ah, I've gone into detail on it before, but Greenspan deserves to be pilloried in the history books.

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Where there's smoke, there's fire...
Feb 17, 2010 1:30AM PST

I didn't see the show, but in many ways tend to trust Frontline of the topic at hand.

For those in the know, they get a feeling of how things are going. While they may never know the true outcome, there are bound to be some markers/signs that suggest what is coming is coming. It may not be so obvious, however those with experience, knoweledge and ACCESS can see prior end of play as all the pieces falls into place. Sure, there' some though, but that's what they're there for to provide some insight on what they know best.

Now that time has passed it seems some of it was more than mere coincidence and the players can be outright shown to be what they have become by their actions. The recent housing bubble was at least 3yrs. if not longer shown to be coming to an end, time to make corrections, NOPE. That Enron, seems to making money as if by magic. Yeah, playing with the numbers, that inaction on Afghanistan when Taliban was kicked out created a vacuum, no immediate US interplay, they're back. All this was a result, that many felt if not acted upn could come to haunt us. Thiose in the know made the alarm bells go off, but heed was not taken. So, you have to ask yourself, why? basically, I'm sure that's what the show may have tried to show, of course you can correct me if wrong. -----Willy Happy