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Another example of Bush's attack on free speech

Bush heckler fired from job.
(Washington Post login: semods4@yahoo.com; pw = speakeasy)

Oh, that's right -- according to conervatives (vis a vis the Dixie Chicks and Linda Ronstadt), as long as you can say it, repercussions don't affect whether it's free speech. By that notion, there's free speech in Cuba and North Korea equal to our own -- or at least, the sonservative notion of "free speech protection!"

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NOT Bush Dave

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He said his boss at Octavo Designs, a Frederick-based advertising and design company, told him he had embarrassed and offended a client who provided tickets to the rally.

"She told me my actions reflected badly on the company," Hiller said. He said he had worked at Octavo for five months.


Sounds like he shouldn't have been surprised.

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Free speech is not free...

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if it is damaging or potentially so. Try yelling "fire" in a theater or "HI Jack" when boarding a plane, or any number of other things in various places.

ANY company is free to fire any worker whose actions are or are simply potentially damaging to the business when the employee's presence is through the company's contacts.

The same likely would have been the result if it had been a Kerry event and the heckler, present through the auspices of his employer had done the same to Kerry.

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I doubt it

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Just read about (can't find a link) a reporter that had a ticket to the WV rally and wore a Kerry for President shirt. He was asked at the door to turn it inside out, which he did. Further in he was asked to take it off, which he did (he had a shirt under it). Later, before Bush showed up, he was escorted out of the rally.

He did the same thing at a Kerry rally (no tickets) and wore a Bush for President shirt. Everyone ignored him. He finally got bored with trying to get a reaction and took it off.

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Found it

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The guy wa snot fired for disagreeing wih Bush, but for making himself look like an complete frothing-at-the-mouth-idiot. The client provided the tickets and it looks badly on the company if they send idiots like him to events.

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Not quite the right definition there ...

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As far as the definition is concerned:

... as long as you can say it, repercussions don't affect whether it's free speech

I'd have to question which repercussions you are talking about. My understanding is that the Bill of Rights' guarantee of freedom of speech means that we are protected from government interference with political speech. Although the man in this news story was clearly engaged in political speech, and is protected from government action stemming from his speech, that does not mean he is protected from other consequences of his speech. I suppose you might be able to frame this as a free speech issue if the Feds called up the employer and told him they would cancel some contract or audit his taxes or whatever if he didn't fire the employee, but I saw no suggestion of that kind of tactic.

I'm afraid that there is no way government can ever insulate people from all consequences of political speech. If the Dixie Chicks or the man in this story suffer commercial consequences because of their actions that has no bearing on their free speech rights as long as the government is not complicit in the consequences.

FWIW: I do not agree with the apparent attitude on the part of the client that the man should have been fired. I do think that the campaign workers who threatened to have him arrested were a bit over the top, unless he was doing something more than heckling. Also, I believe that the unwillingness of candidates (not just Mr. Bush) to speak to unselected audiences is lamentable, but they didn't ask me for help designing the rules for who gets admitted to campaign speeches. Never-the-less, even if I think the employer, the employers client and the campaign workers made poor choices, I still do not see it as a free speech issue.

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(NT) (NT) No Dave, in "Cuba and North Korea" they DIE...Got it?

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I dont blame the boss.

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