Another bloody godforsaken day in Iraq

some here tend to 4 get that

"Daily basis" Toni? I have been gone more than a year.

"Security" Toni? Are you trying to argue that I pose a physical threat to you?

"Insurgents" here in the SE TONI? Spare me the melodrama. Is that the best you have to say in response to the death and chaos on the ground in Iraq that your man Bush has authored?

Maybe it's time you got with the facts of the matter instead of hiding behind your vehement partisanship and using hyperbolic inflammatory rhetoric.
Calling me and others who poke holes in your Iraq balloon does not make me or anybody else an insurgent and you know it TONI.

I love the "Posting the same stuff over and over" argument. You post the same stuff over and over as well every time this topic comes up. I post what I do when the topic of Iraq comes up sometimes because it is so outlandish to see all these facts and realities on the ground in Iraq being ignored by various forum members.
Facts are facts TONI H. What does it say about you and others here who object to having their rosy view of Iraq challenged from time to time?

If you don't like the truth of the matter then do something about it.
The reason I post about Iraq is because you and others keep acting as though there's not all that much wrong, that things area actually going well in Iraq.
Why don't you petition your government instead of making bizarre and unfounded allegations against me?
I'm just giving it to you straight.

You and others like you spin information and twist and bend it for your own agendas on a daily basis...I don't care how long it's been since you've been here, the tirade is non-stop and repeated, just as the insurgents in Iraq continue daily in order to 'make their point' even if it's wrong.

I have NEVER had a rosy picture of Iraq.....however, I am realistic enough to realize that this is a freaking WAR and people will die no matter who is doing the killing. People were dying there at the hands of Saddam long before we arrived and there are far fewer dying now that we are. We just hear about daily now because of the media being there....did you think Saddam was going to have media on hand to report all of HIS killing going on?

Writing my representatives would only be a letter of SUPPORT for finishing the job at hand, not pulling out and leaving those people back at the beginning of having terrorists in charge of them again. And that's the future YOU propose for them.

Such a compassionate person you are......

TONI

Prove it Toni.

It's hardly a tirade when you have the facts on your side and you are responding to someone who has already started the topic. It's called debate TONI. Period.

Actually, I have yet to see why the insurgents are wrong.
Let's see now... Bush invades their country on phony bogus trumped up charges and kills some 1-200,000 of their fellow Iraqis, wounds and maims god know how many others, does nothing to create a secure peaceful environment/society, reduces their standard of living to below Saddam Hussein levels etc. etc. etc.

BTW Toni as sovereign citizens of a sovereign country, the Iraqis are entitled to mount a resistance against the occupiers whoever they may be and wage a resistance war against them until the occupiers leave.
Tell me TONI. Were the Chechens entitled to wage a resistance war against the Russians twice? Were hr Spanish entitled to wage a war against Nappy? How about the Boers against the British or the Algerians against the French?

It's possible TONI that more more people died under Saddam Hussein. But the fact that the U.S. is now responsible for those deaths happening now in Iraq doesn't make it better. I would much rather have the blame for Iraqi deaths be on Saddam's shoulders than mine.

I agree TONI let's finish the job. But that means doing it right with a minimum of Iraqi dead and wounded.

Actually my compassion doesn't enter into it. Although I do find it odd that I am the only one here who seems to care about the well-being of the Iraqi people.
If you do care about the Iraqi people TONI, what do you propose to do about Iraq to secure their safety?

Prove it Toni.

It's hardly a tirade when you have the facts on your side and you are responding to someone who has already started the topic. It's called debate TONI. Period.

Actually, I have yet to see why the insurgents are wrong.
Let's see now... Bush invades their country on phony bogus trumped up charges and kills some 1-200,000 of their fellow Iraqis, wounds and maims god know how many others, does nothing to create a secure peaceful environment/society, reduces their standard of living to below Saddam Hussein levels etc. etc. etc.

BTW Toni as sovereign citizens of a sovereign country, the Iraqis are entitled to mount a resistance against the occupiers whoever they may be and wage a resistance war against them until the occupiers leave.
Tell me TONI. Were the Chechens entitled to wage a resistance war against the Russians twice? Were hr Spanish entitled to wage a war against Nappy? How about the Boers against the British or the Algerians against the French?

It's possible TONI that more more people died under Saddam Hussein. But the fact that the U.S. is now responsible for those deaths happening now in Iraq doesn't make it better. I would much rather have the blame for Iraqi deaths be on Saddam's shoulders than mine.

I agree TONI let's finish the job. But that means doing it right with a minimum of Iraqi dead and wounded.

Actually my compassion doesn't enter into it. Although I do find it odd that I am the only one here who seems to care about the well-being of the Iraqi people.
If you do care about the Iraqi people TONI, what do you propose to do about Iraq to secure their safety?

get you myths straight

The Iraq insurgency is composed of mainly Iraqis and for the most part appear to be Iraqi Sunnis. This article breaks them down into Iraqi nationalists and religious ''extremists''.
This article says they're mainly (Iraqi) Sunnis. The BBC reports that only a small percentage of the insurgents are foregn fighters.
Globla Security says there's only a thousand or so foreign fighters nad that the real insurgency force is the Iraqi Sunnis.

Shall I provide you with more links like this Mark?

My last post here previous to that was about a year before that. But Really TONI. Two months ago and a year before that is hardly every day or constant or daily. SO let's do stick to the facts shall we?

BTW TONI, who cares? Shouldn't you be doing something politically to stop the bloodshed in Iraq?

Yeah that's right TONI, I'm CANADIAN! What's your point?

I'm not ocmplaining about facts TONI. I'm telling you that there's too much denial of them by too many people.

lets not tie the troops hands
let them bloddy the insurgants with out you bitching about it

they shot a civilian in there midst

Answer? At least 100,000. Care to discuss the issue of depleted uranium Mark?

care to post a link to that
charlie
as you throw numbers around like you are an man with knowledge tobad your so wrong

but you dismissed it without reading it a year and a half or so ago But here's one from the BBC.

Here's the Lancet report

and dismissed it because it wasn't a true account, was done shortly after we landed in Iraq so it wasn't even FEASIBLE that that many died at our hands at that time since there was nearly NO fighting going on until we got to Baghdad and that place was nearly deserted of civilian population at that time.

It's based on a 1000 person poll and ESTIMATES that total and has been proved wrong consistently.

Although Lancet reports are normally pretty believable, this one missed the mark horribly.

TONI

...U.S. forces shot and killed Mark.

Mark, Mark...are you still alive???

"Authorities also captured a suspected terrorist who allegedly confessed to beheading hundreds of people. The operation by Iraqi forces also netted documents, cellphones and computers containing information on other wanted terrorists and Islamic extremist groups."

Amazing the media isn't playing that up, eh?

it dosnt fit the template to make bush look bad