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Android Tablet crashes running flash, Fix this Adobe!

May 5, 2010 11:34PM PDT

Dear Buzz Gang and Crew,
Okay, I know this this is a prototype flash implementation on the Android tablet, but hey Adobe with all of the media covering the fight between you and Apple, the least you could do is keep flash from crashing.

Geeezz Adobe, please fix this problem ASAP.

Andriod Tablet Crashes Running Flash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hqFTx8rLsg&feature=related

Later People.

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Crashes happen
May 6, 2010 6:59AM PDT

In prototypes.I was more concerned with how jerky the video playback was. Some flash videos are not going to be able to be decoded by mobile devices hardware decoding, so you have to rely on slow mobile CPUs. Low frame rate web videos! Probably one of the main reasons Jobs does not allow flash, it makes a device look incapable.

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Android Tablet crashes running flash, Fix this Adobe!
May 6, 2010 7:24AM PDT

Interesting to see Adobe's flash crashed the tablet It crashes my computer sometimes. Which is a PC.

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It didn't crash
May 11, 2010 5:03PM PDT

Hey, if you read the article by the guy who made the video, he makes it very clear that Flash did not crash. He just hit the Home button by accident. The article says Flash actually ran "flawlessly."

So let's not get all in a tizzy... nothing to see here.

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You're absolutely right...
May 12, 2010 12:05AM PDT

Where did the OP think that Flash crashed on this? There's no indication of that whatsoever by watching the video he linked. Should this be filed under the "oops...nevermind" category?

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Read the Commentary from the Reporter, Sorry...not buying it
May 13, 2010 10:07AM PDT

I did read the commentary by the reporter and I also read some of the commentary from other reporters that were actually there. The reporter indicated that he hit a "hidden home" button. Okay, so if that is the case, when he tried to bring up the "flash" session again, he was unable to do so, which was clearly visible in the video.

Another point that was brought up by a reporter that was actually there: Why did this reporter bother to show a failed presentation? All they had to do was to simply redo the interview and just do the presentation again. Instead, they chose to simply demonstrate a fairly poor video of a "flash" example that seemed to not perform well.

There have been several reports indicating that Adobe has one real shot at mobile and they really have to get it right on the first deployment. Instead of Adobe putting out press releases countering the Steve Jobs, maybe they should focus on getting "flash" on mobile devices to run cleanly and correctly.

Sorry, based on what the other reporters who there indicated they write ups, the "flash" session did not hold up to the demonstration on the Andriod device.

Hopefully Adobe will fix this before it gets released.

Later People.

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Your analysis is unreal, man...
May 13, 2010 10:32PM PDT

Let's look at the facts:

The guy is showing a prototype device that's encased in Lexan plastic, no less. Repeat --prototype device.

Even if Flash supposedly crashed --and there's zero evidence from the video that Flash crashed-- how do you (and others) leap to this "Adobe must fix this!" mantra? Is this a production tablet? Has everything been finalized and optimized in it? It's akin to putting a motherboard on a bread box.

I see a web browser that just happens to be on a youtube page and running a video --while the guy is scrolling up and down with his right hand and moving his other hand on the screen as well, and the browser disappears off-screen. He then hits the Contacts icon, and you get the contacts info onscreen.

I see no message about the browser having an issue and having to restart (which I would expect). I see no other indication of an error. One the one occasion something crashed my Android-based phone, the phone rebooted. I don't see that happening on this prototype.

On my Android phone, if I'm playing an App (browser or otherwise) and I hit the Home button instead of the back button, I go to the main screen. There's no taskbar with running apps on the bottom like Windows. There's an indication at the top of the phone of things that are running but I haven't figured out (yet) how to quickly get back to the app I was running without going through the process of bringing up the "Apps" icon and finding the App again.

The reporter verifies that this is the same behavior on the tablet:

"*Update: Just wanted to clarify, flash didn?t crash here, I just accidentally hit the ?home? button while I was really trying to hit the ?back? button. Android users know that you get an error message if an app crashes, I know because I have a Nexus One. There?s hidden home,back, and power buttons (on the side of the prototype) u do not see in the videos/photos, sorry if that confused any readers."

So it appears to me that you want to believe what you want to believe about it, without any real evidence to the contrary.

Here's a short video from the SAME REPORTER showing Flash video running on the prototype:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttn1G0Kw62o&feature=player_embedded

The bottom line is that there's absolutely NO way one could reasonably deduce that this --even if it was a so-called crash-- can be attributed to Flash. Using that logic, say I'm viewing a web page here on Cnet and my PC throws up a blue screen. Am I to automatically say "Cnet causes blue screens!". Come on...

I'm no big fan of Flash, but fair is fair. And this attempt to either denigrate it or a prototype Android-based tablet is patently unfair.

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Exercising Discussion, Results Soon
May 14, 2010 12:52AM PDT

I admit that I am enjoying this exercising discussion regarding Adobe and Apple. It remains to be determined as to whether Adobe can deliver on mobile plateforms. One thing is for sure, the entire world is watching. It does not matter if it is alpha, beta, dev, test or trial software, Adobe will have to deliver.

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OK
May 14, 2010 1:17AM PDT

So if they do deliver, will you and others then put the ball in Apple's court? I'm talking about delivering Flash in a stable manner with hardware acceleration so as to preserve battery life, so you know what my criteria are.

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Absolutely put the smackdown on Apple :-)
May 14, 2010 6:27AM PDT

Of course dude, tech is tech. If Adobe can show that they can make "flash" work on mobile devices in the manner that it should, then I will absolutely put the smackdown on Apple. Keep in mind Slikkster, we are talking about two spoiled rotten "child-like" tech companies who will not be nice on the playground. Both of them need to get the big smackdown!! Happy

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Agreed
May 14, 2010 6:37AM PDT

There are no "winners" in this ***-for-tat, although I would agree that with the advent of HTML5 implementation and the deference some give Jobs, the pressure's on Adobe to deliver.

The unfortunate part for Adobe is that even if they do, it might be moot in the end. It could end up a pure case of winning the battle (of words) and losing the war.

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Yep, I agree as well
May 14, 2010 10:48PM PDT

Yep, I agree as well

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They are both trying to manipulate the market.
May 15, 2010 12:07AM PDT

Adobe needs to shut up and produce a great product that proves Apple wrong. Then, if flash really matters in the marketplace then the marketplace will decide. Apple will either have to up their game to stay competitive or Adobe will have to jump into the HTML5 authoring market.

I honestly believe the explosive growth of Android is the reason we have multiple bookstores on the iPhone/iPad and we are finally seeing some mobile browser competition. Even though I have no interest in owning an Android phone I'm glad they exist because they force Apple to move forward faster.

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Adobe...
May 15, 2010 8:21AM PDT

Needs to realise which way the wind is blowing, and stop this futile attempt to change the wind.
It's the same mistake movie and music studios are making in how they treat the internet.
Adobe should jump right onto HTML5 authoring tools