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And so goes the war on drugs, regardless of who gets hurt...

Nov 12, 2003 5:40PM PST

In Goose Creek, SC, students were handcuffed and forced at gun-point to the ground during a guerilla style raid determined to discover drugs at a local high-school. The whole incident was caught on tape and televised nationally, clearly showing the violent assault against mainly black students of this predominantly middle class high school campus...

Although several of the students were thrown to the ground against their will at gun-point, No Drugs were discovered or recovered inside or outside of the complex. No apologies were ever provided to the assaulted students. Unfortunately, one student was suspended for 3 days because he jumped at the bark of a drug dog...

Are we still living in a "Free" and "Democratic" society? Does "innocent" until proven guilty mean anything in the US anymore???

Full Story: South Carolina Community Split Over Raid

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Fading Into The Woodwork...
Nov 13, 2003 4:20PM PST
If that were the case, do you think John Hinkley Jr. would vote for GW in '04? LOL I understand he is "out" now. - Tim Alden

Really? I thought that Hinckley's request for unsupervised visits was denied. The story seemed to fade into the woodwork shortly after it became public but I thought they made it sound like there was absolutely no chance that he would be released...

Was Hinckley ever convicted of anything or was he found to be insane? Hinckley may not carry a criminal record if he is ever released...
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Re:Fading Into The Woodwork...
Nov 13, 2003 5:15PM PST

Blake,

Believe one of those right wing talking heads I listen to on the radio just said that he will be staying with his parents for a time. Think you are right about the insane part.

Some would argue that the INSANE part was letting him out at all. Of course it is not PC to even say that. Happy

Tim

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Convict Blacklists...
Nov 13, 2003 4:08PM PST
My belief is and always has been that every citizen should have their right to vote respected, even if they are sitting in jail, or a paroled felon. To not have that be the law of our land is to run the risk that one day any targeted group can slowly be disenfranchised of their rights through a concerted action to create laws targeted at them that they are bound to break in order they may be charged and convicted and then permanently deprived of the vote. If they are a citizen, and they are not dead, they should have a right to vote. - James Denison

Again I agree with everything that you stated above James. I think there are some that fear that if former convicts are allowed to vote, they might somehow garner enough votes to elect those who think more like them and corrupt our government. How it could become more corrupted, I couldn't even begin to understand. But I don't think this is a valid fear...

These former convict blacklists should never be used to promote one political party over another as was done in 2000 and again in 2002 in Florida. I have no reason to believe that this will change in 2004 either...
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(NT) Soon we may even see a Black List....
Nov 13, 2003 5:16PM PST

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Re:Outrageous actions! This War on Drugs as it currently is run must be stopped.
Nov 13, 2003 2:30PM PST

James,

Interesting you should say all that. One of the EXTREME right wing radio talking heads I listen to all the time has come around to believing that the war on drugs needs to come to a stop. This was a big change for this talking head.

I agree with EVERYTHING you just posted.

Tim

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Hopefully you will realize that there are many
Nov 13, 2003 3:25PM PST

Conservatives that oppose things done erroneously in the guise of being conservative that more properly belong to those who are Fascist. A true conservative believes in rules and laws that are meant to promote morality, temperance, patience, while maintaining a reasonable standard of conduct. A true conservative wants law enforcement to be against true criminals, those who do harm to others.

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The Position Of The Bar...
Nov 13, 2003 3:58PM PST
Conservatives that oppose things done erroneously in the guise of being conservative that more properly belong to those who are Fascist. A true conservative believes in rules and laws that are meant to promote morality, temperance, patience, while maintaining a reasonable standard of conduct. A true conservative wants law enforcement to be against true criminals, those who do harm to others. - James Denison

I think that all depends on where the bar is set. The Taliban is considered extremely Conservative to most of us. They would probably consider you extremely Liberal James. So the Taliban's sense of morality, temperance, patience, while maintaining a reasonable standard of conduct may seem outrageous to most in the US including the most radical Conservatives. But to the Taliban, they are well within their right to enforce their extremely Conservative beliefs...

Of course for those of us on the far left of where the bar now stands in the US, the actions of many of the Conservatives are eerily similar to those of the Taliban. It seems that the perceptions of what constitutes Conservatism are solely based on where the center stands in any given region...