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And my donuts, too ?

by Del McMullen / March 17, 2004 12:24 PM PST
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Re: And my donuts, too ?
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / March 17, 2004 12:26 PM PST
In reply to: And my donuts, too ?

Hi, Del.

That can't possibly be real...

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Half of it is.
by James Denison / March 17, 2004 1:21 PM PST

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Re:Re: And my donuts, too ?
by Del McMullen / March 17, 2004 1:28 PM PST

Dunno. I am making a couple of inquiries to
some friends near Kern Co Calif. Wouldn't put
anything past the trend setters out there.

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Re:Re:Re: And my donuts, too ?
by James Denison / March 17, 2004 5:23 PM PST
Made short

On September 26, 2003 KGET 17 received an email containing a picture of a Kern County Sheriff's patrol car with an official looking sticker on the side reading... "We'll Kick Your ***".

When contacted for an explanation, Sheriff Mack Wimbish told us he didn't have anything to do with it but that when he saw the decals he found out who was responsible and had them reprimanded.

KGET 17 news aired no story at that time.

Fast-forward to last week, KGET 17 asked Wimbish and his Assistant Sheriff Mike Lafave who ordered the decals made?

We were told it was a sergeant in charge of vehicles, but that the sergeant cannot remember who told him to do it, only that he remembers it was not the sheriff....(more at page link)
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Beat ya by 4 minutes, Jim
by Del McMullen / March 17, 2004 5:30 PM PST

But like many things, these days, they have a
thread of truth, even if some don't like to
hear or accept them.

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Was real.....but wasn't
by Del McMullen / March 17, 2004 5:19 PM PST

From the Kern Co Sheriff web site:

The Sheriff's Department's ?decal controversy? is sticking around

It all surrounds a patrol car, which carried a message some found offensive. The car decal said, "We'll Kick Your ***".

It is the kind of stunt that could have quickly been put to rest.

Instead it has prompted a flood of editorial letters to the Bakersfield Californian with mixed reviews on what the sticker said.

There is still plenty of controversy over how the sheriff handled it.

It is not the act that gets you in trouble, but whether or not it is a cover-up.

There may or may not be a cover-up in this case, but there are a lot of different versions of what really went down, who gave the order, and why it happened in the first place.

On September 26, 2003 KGET 17 received an email containing a picture of a Kern County Sheriff's patrol car with an official looking sticker on the side reading... "We'll Kick Your ***".

When contacted for an explanation, Sheriff Mack Wimbish told us he didn't have anything to do with it but that when he saw the decals he found out who was responsible and had them reprimanded.

KGET 17 news aired no story at that time.

Fast-forward to last week, KGET 17 asked Wimbish and his Assistant Sheriff Mike Lafave who ordered the decals made?

We were told it was a sergeant in charge of vehicles, but that the sergeant cannot remember who told him to do it, only that he remembers it was not the sheriff.

Now on to Tuesday, Assistant Sheriff Mike Lafave contacted KGET 17 and claimed, the sergeant now remembers, that it was the commander in charge of vehicles who told the sergeant below him to make up the stickers and have them placed on two cars.

Commander Chris Davis spoke out for the first time Wednesday. He is the commander in charge of that sergeant.

According to everyone involved, even Cmdr. Davis, there never was a direct order to pull off this gag.

?Basically when a supervisor says I like this, we do it,? said Cmdr. Davis. ?Perhaps he didn't realize the power he has as sheriff with a few words?

So what is the controversy over?

For the Californian it is because the sheriff claimed he knew nothing about the signs and that he thought they were doctored photos, when he now admits he knew they were stickers.

The paper's executive editor is standing behind his reporters work.

For the public, it may be that the sheriff and assistant sheriff are blaming a commander who speaking publicly at some risk says they are wrong.

?Something that started out as a cop joke in house, ends up hurting a lot,? said Cmdr. Davis.

One thing is for sure, The sheriff admits this was his idea in a way, because he walked around the department showing off a magazine drawing of a similar gag and said he thought it was funny.

It may be another ill-fated example of a relatively new sheriff trying to win over his reluctant command staff, nearly all of whom supported Wimbish's challenger in the election.

Department insiders describe Wimbish as the odd man out, he may just be trying to fit in, with a little locker-room humor and cop-shop shenanigans.

Just a few months ago, he said as much when we asked about his new mustache.

?I looked around the table and all my command staff had mustaches,? said Wimbish, ?So I thought I'd try one.?

http://kget.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ed9cc47f-da34-405c-a679-9591ada281dc

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Re: Was real.....but wasn't
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / March 17, 2004 10:33 PM PST

Hi, Del.

The real question is why a law enforcement agency should think that police brutality is a proper subject for jokes.

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It was a gag.
by James Denison / March 18, 2004 1:27 AM PST

I doubt they actually drove it around town like that. Maybe they did. I didn't get that impression. At least it wasn't some official policy.

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Re: It was a gag -- some things aren't suitable joke material.
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / March 18, 2004 4:15 AM PST
In reply to: It was a gag.

Hi, James.

Racism. Sexism. Religious hatred. Police brutality. These are areas not suitable for "gags," especially by those typically associated with the activity in question.

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Convince me...............

......that there have never been any off-color
or other remarks/antics in your labs that someone
not in your profession could take exception to ?

Don't even try......no one would believe you.

That police unit was done to take the picture for
amusement within the profession, and in no way
suggested police brutality. And GWB, or his people,
had nothing to do with it.

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Re: Convince me...............
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / March 18, 2004 12:23 PM PST

Hi, Del.

Off color, of course. "Polack" jokes -- sure (I'm half Polish). But racist, or anti-Semitic? No way!

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While understanding your point
by Roger NC / March 18, 2004 12:03 PM PST

half the jokes here could be called sexism. I'd estimate over 85% (at least) blond jokes are about blond women. And all the husband and wife jokes use stereotypes.

If we get too PC, there will be nothing left but PC.

Sure there are plenty somewhere between ok and too outrageous to pass. But depending on your rules, almost anything can be non-PC.

BTW, as far as police brutality gags, well, better ban just about ever cop show and movie.

RogerNC

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Re: While understanding your point
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / March 18, 2004 12:26 PM PST

Hi, Roger.

I'm not talking about non-PC. racism and police brutality can be the butt of jokes a couple generations after they no longer continue to be a major problem. Same with anti-Semitism. OTOH, the days of "no Polish need apply" are far enough behind us that you'd have to be pretty thin-skinned to be offended (and I'm half-Polish!)

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