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and justice shall be meted out.......

by jonah jones / November 19, 2005 11:39 AM PST
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(NT) (NT) Too bad one can be arrested for "thought crimes"
by duckman / November 19, 2005 11:42 AM PST
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you think he was arrested for "thought crimes"?
by jonah jones / November 19, 2005 11:47 AM PST

he wasn't....you think what you like, but as son as you express those thought in actions....

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(NT) (NT) What actions did he take?
by duckman / November 19, 2005 11:50 AM PST
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Here's his crime
by duckman / November 19, 2005 11:59 AM PST

"He has been condemned by the courts several times, notably in Britain and Germany, where denying the Holocaust is a crime, and last year he was refused entry to New Zealand."

where denying the Holocaust is a crime , (thought crime)

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(NT) (NT) when the deny it the tend to condone it
by Mark5019 / November 19, 2005 12:05 PM PST
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you have a problem distinguishing between though and deed?
by jonah jones / November 19, 2005 12:23 PM PST
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example:
sit at home and think about killing "someone",criminal thought.. that makes you a 'weirdo'

try to convince other people to kill that "someone" criminal deed..makes you dangerous, and, if the law decides that you trying to convince other people is breaking a law, you'll pay the price....


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Has he incited any violence?
by duckman / November 19, 2005 12:27 PM PST

Yes, that would be a crime

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Agree
by EdH / November 19, 2005 1:05 PM PST
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No one should be punished for expressing an opinion no matter how objectionable that opinion is. That is a violation of basic human rights.

If the guy was actually killing people or even trying to encourage others to kill people THAT would be a crime, but it doesn't look to me like he was.

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A dialogue
by grandpaw7 / November 19, 2005 11:19 PM PST
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A: I'd like to kill XXX.

B. Well, my opinon is that you should do it.

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didn't one of the Baldwin idiots
by duckman / November 19, 2005 11:21 PM PST
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say on a television program that Dennis Hastert should be stoned (to death)?

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In Japan where revisionist history is condoned
by grimgraphix / November 20, 2005 3:02 AM PST
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In Japan where revisionist history is condoned, their school text books make little to no reference to the colonial occupation and resulting wholesale slaughter in mainland china during the 1930s. Many young people don't know the history behind Japans' participation in WW2. There is a significant population of Japanese citizens of Korean descent but most don't know that they descend from Korean "comfort girls" kidnapped and brought to japan to service Japanese soldiers. During reporting of the 60th anniversary of Hiroshima, I was shocked by the quotes of some young people which pretty much indicated they had no clue as to why an atomic weapon was used in the first place. They had no understanding of the tenacity and take no prisoner attitude of the Japanese government of the 1940s.

Their attitude was to forget the nasty parts of history. Combine this with a constitutional ban on keeping a standing army and Japan becomes a culture that is fairly benign. Who knows what Japan would be like if they had been allowed to maintain a large army, forget the past and renew nationalistic attitudes ?

This may truly fall under "thought crime" but it was a thought crime in the soviet union to revisit the pogroms of Stalin during the 1920s, 30s,40s, and early 50s that killed an estimated 9 to 11 million people.

Denial of reality, whether a crime or not, is no way to improve the world we live in.

grim

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Be that as it may...
by EdH / November 20, 2005 4:24 AM PST

free speech is free speech, and any system that punishes someone just because they have an unpopular opinion is violating basic human rights.

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