AND he does it with a 'straight face"

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Kinda reminds you of

by TONI H Mar 14, 2017 1:24PM PDT

the two press secretaries BO had who had to do a real 'wiggle' game when it came to 'you have to pass the bill in order to find out what's in it' and 'you can keep your doctor/you can keep your plan'....

I don't know of any press secretary who HASN'T had to come out and 'explain' their bosses' words, do you?

When liberal media has nothing newsworthy to talk about, even if there IS something positive to report, it's normal for them to find something/anything negative to harp about when it comes to a Republican/Conservative administration. This is no different and it's 'nada' news.

Did any of them make a big deal out of the fact that Dennis Kucinich (Dem Senator/Ohio) actually WAS wiretapped (proven, by the way, because he got the transcripts from NBC two years AFTER he left that position) in his OFFICE? Nope....... How about when the Dems were all crazed over the fact that Congressional offices were 'bugged' by BO during the Benghazi investigations? Nope.... How about THIS instance of BO spying on Congressional members that Dems didn't seem to worry about? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3378801/posts Nope....

Do you really believe that the BO administration was morally or ethically above this kind of action?

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For starters...

by JP Bill Mar 14, 2017 1:52PM PDT

RE: the fact that Dennis Kucinich (Dem Senator/Ohio) actually WAS wiretapped

they were “secret audio recordings recovered from Tripoli.”

FROM Tripoli?

Is that like FROM Trump's phone?

I ain't done yet....

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Evidently you AREN'T done yet

by TONI H Mar 15, 2017 5:28AM PDT

because you didn't read the whole article.....he was given permission to take the call, he was in his Congressional office at the time, and he blames the US Intelligence agencies for the tap that wasn't supposed to happen.

It came from within Tripoli, but we had embassies and intelligence agencies within Libya at that time, and he was being recorded without his knowledge....and he would have never known about it if that information hadn't been leaked out two years after he left office.

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RE:because you didn't read the whole article.....he was give

by JP Bill Mar 15, 2017 6:46AM PDT

because you didn't read the whole article.....he was given permission to take the call, he was in his Congressional office at the time, and he blames the US Intelligence agencies for the tap that wasn't supposed to happen.

It came from within Tripoli,

“I believe the tape was made by an American intelligence agency and then leaked to the Times for political reasons. If so, this episode represented a gross violation of the separation of powers.”

He "believes"...He didn't say he "knows"...YOU know?

AND the ONLY people in "Tripoli" are American Intelligence personnel?

Audio Clip: Seif Gadhafi tells U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich that Qatar is supporting terrorists in Libya

In YOUR mind there is absolutely NO possible way this Gadhafi character would/could release a tape of Kucinich talking to to him?

...Gadhafi wouldn't have to get anyone's permission to record HIS OWN phone calls...between him AND Kucinich.

he was being recorded without his knowledge.

Did he know the call was being "listened to"?

Using the "logic" that any/all Americans CAN NOT be recorded/listened to on a phone call.

All any enemy would have to do is get ONE American citizen to 'turn", and any and all calls between a foreign agent to that individual could/would NEVER be listened to by American intelligence.

Foreign agent calls American spy...Soon as the American picks up the phone...Intelligence has to "stop recording/listening?

DUH?

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Are you suggesting/insinuating

by TONI H Mar 15, 2017 8:11AM PDT

that Dennis Kucinich is an "American Spy"?

Also....since OUR intelligence agencies have been listening to other countries' leaders for many years from everywhere around the world and not necessarily just from within the USA, do you find it so farfetched that an American agency wasn't the one tapping and taping that conversation? ALL without K's permission/knowledge when our own laws prohibit that action not only concerning American citizens (they are supposed to STOP listening when they realize it's an American citizen who ISN'T considered to be a threat to our national intelligence security), he was already given permission by this country to talk with the son ahead of time, our country KNEW he would be taking that call from his Congressional Office, and that they not only continued to listen but they taped it as well. AND kept that hidden from HIM for years.

Are you finished yet?

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RE:Are you suggesting/insinuating

by JP Bill Mar 15, 2017 11:43AM PDT

I'm saying that Kucinich didn't say he KNOWS where the leak came from, and you are talking like YOU know where the leak came from....

Just like the claim of TheRUMP....except HE is strangely silent now about the "wiretaps"

do you find it so farfetched that an American agency wasn't the one tapping and taping that conversation?

Using that "logic"..............Next YOU won't be "trusting" of the US Navy....

ALL without K's permission/knowledge when our own laws prohibit that action not only concerning American citizens (they are supposed to STOP listening when they realize it's an American citizen who ISN'T considered to be a threat to our national intelligence security),

IF they are NEVER listened to...HOW do they attract attention from American Intelligence?

Let's say some Russian ambassador was speaking to an American politician...This ambassador asks the American to do him a favour...a little bit on the shady side....And the ambassador records the conversation. SURPRISE? DUH!!!!!!

The American goes to American intelligence....wouldn't it be a 'good thing" for the American politician to have a recording of this "favour" being asked for?

Another version of the truth?

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Speaking of the US Navy and spies....

by JP Bill Mar 15, 2017 1:06PM PDT

The John Walker Spy Ring and The U.S. Navy’s Biggest Betrayal

To hear the United States’ most notorious naval spy tell it, were it not for his ex-wife, Barbara – the weak link his Soviet handlers had warned him about – his espionage might have continued. As it was, however, John Walker’s ferreting went on far too long. A few more years and, had he been employed in a conventional job, he could have retired on a pension. Indeed, he already enjoyed a U.S. Navy pension after retiring in 1976 as a senior warrant officer.

Nothing like a bad marriage to bring out the truth....who needs wire taps?

TheRump has had a couple "bad marriages"..I wonder IF there is anything to be investigated there.

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Old news with more babble deflection.....

by TONI H Mar 15, 2017 1:58PM PDT

However, since you are so anxious to bring up a US spy from past history, care to comment about this Canadian spy from just a few DAYS ago?

http://montrealgazette.com/storyline/u-s-charges-22-year-old-canadian-karim-baratov-and-two-russian-spies-with-massive-yahoo-data-breach

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Again with the babble?

by JP Bill Mar 15, 2017 7:32PM PDT

Babble AND Oh Good Grief... I'm on a roll today....

Canadian spy from just a few DAYS ago?

I heard about that guy...I thought HE was a "hacker".

Here's a "closer to home" story for you

U.S. officials told Fox News on Wednesday that the Russian spy ship Victor Leonov has returned to waters off the East Coast of the United States after a brief stop for fuel and resupply in Havana last week.

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Your 'hacker'

by TONI H Mar 16, 2017 3:32AM PDT

from what I understand was being paid by the Russians....by any definition, that's still a spy.

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RE:by any definition, that's still a spy.

by JP Bill Mar 16, 2017 4:01AM PDT

still a spy?

NOT for everybody....Not even for TheRUMP's DOJ

U.S. accuses Russian spies, Canadian hacker in 2014 Yahoo hack

WATCH: DOJ says Russian intelligence worked with criminal hackers to attack Yahoo

All are accused of computer hacking, economic espionage and other criminal offences.

U.S. accuses Russian spies, Canadian hacker

NOT

U.S. accuses Russian spies, Canadian SPY

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Same argument as we've had before

by TONI H Mar 16, 2017 7:05AM PDT

IF you are the driver of a getaway car for a bank robbery, even if you don't go into the bank yourself, and someone gets killed inside the bank, you are just as guilty of murder as the actual killer. You didn't like it before, and you will still not like it.

IF you are paid by Russian spies to gather info they want, you are a spy as well, and according to your OWN statement: All are accused of computer hacking, economic espionage and other criminal offences.

Which means that ALL will be charged with those crimes....espionage being the most meaningful because SPIES are accused and charged that way, including your Canadian hacker, since he obviously knew what his PAID information was being used for.

I'm done.

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RE:IF you are the driver of a getaway car for a bank robbery

by JP Bill Mar 16, 2017 8:04AM PDT

IF you are the driver of a getaway car for a bank robbery, even if you don't go into the bank yourself, and someone gets killed inside the bank,

What about the car dealer that sold the getaway driver the car?

The "hacker" sold email addresses what they were going to be used for...Did HE know?

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If YOU were

by TONI H Mar 18, 2017 10:24AM PDT

contacted and paid by the Russians to hack into something governmentally confidential and secret in the USA and you turned that information over to them, that's espionage....whether it's government documents or businesses/banks/etc. The hacker doesn't have know WHAT Russia PLANS to do with that information.....all he has to know is that he has been paid by one country to steal information from another and be willing to do so in order to be charged with that crime. Does that clear it up for you?

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RE: If YOU were

by JP Bill Mar 18, 2017 1:31PM PDT

If YOU were contacted and paid by the Russians to hack into something governmentally confidential and secret in the USA

First they would have to train me to be able to do that (a waste of money)

all he has to know is that he has been paid by one country to steal information

It doesn't look like he was trying to "hide" the business he was in...

Not a "covert operation"

While offering to hack any email, the Russian hacking site also portrayed itself as an ethical operation that provided security advice on how to better protect accounts by identifying their weaknesses, the analyst said.

The site said it had been approached by “police generals, supervisors of employees, jealous couples and curious or vindictive people,” Gray said. “It seems like he was catering his services to a wide variety of people.”

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So, he publicly advertised

by TONI H Mar 18, 2017 3:39PM PDT

his services to hack into email accounts, was approached by Russia, got PAID to do it, and turned over the email information........did he really think, since it was a USA account being used by an advisor to a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE that Russia wanted, that he was an 'innocent' in committing espionage? Do YOU really believe that?

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RE:committing espionage?

by JP Bill Mar 18, 2017 8:34PM PDT

espionage?........the practice of spying or using spies to obtain information about the plans and activities especially of a foreign government or a competing company industrial espionage

could have been Popeye's Shrimp looking for customers...

RE: was approached by Russia

by "Russia"?....OR by an individual that could be from Russia or any country......You're ASSuming that he knew more than he has claimed or has been proven.

since it was a USA account being used by an advisor to a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE

Some people hire 'hackers" in a divorce case....some hire hackers to spam email addresses with advertisements...

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(NT) Divert/deflect

by TONI H Mar 19, 2017 4:39AM PDT

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RE:since OUR intelligence agencies have been listening to

by JP Bill Mar 15, 2017 7:42PM PDT

since OUR intelligence agencies have been listening to other countries' leaders for many years

These "intelligence" agencies?

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Speaking of 'straight faces'

by TONI H Mar 15, 2017 10:12AM PDT

Did you happen to catch the hour long joke Maddow put on last night for ratings? She had hyped her 'discovery' and 'proof' to get the whole world to watch her poor ratings show and unfortunately couldn't see that same world laughing their a$$es off at her attempt to 'report news' that wasn't news at all. Actually, if nothing else, she helped Trump by proving he not only PAID taxes, which Dems have been saying for nearly a year now he didn't pay, but that he actually paid MORE than Comcast (NBC owners) did.....and a hell of a lot more than Sanders paid as HIS fair share, and way more than even Romney paid. I think there should be an investigation into why Sanders paid such a small amount.

She tried her damnedest to tie Trump's sale of a property to the Russians as something nefarious because Trump made $60M on that property deal..........which only proved that he really IS a great 'deal maker'.....as if somehow in 2005 the Russians knew that Trump would run for President 10 years later so they had to 'bribe' him ahead of time. LOL

Do you ever get tired of the liberal Dems/media making fools of themselves, JP?

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RE: news' that wasn't news at all

by JP Bill Mar 15, 2017 11:18AM PDT

The news' that wasn't news at all that had TheRUMP releasing ONE part of HIS tax return...the tax info that HE said he wouldn't release UNTIL his "tax audit" was complete?

She made him do something he didn't want to do....

One small step for man....one giant leap for mankind....

Oh, they're laughing all right....

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Now, you're as bad as Maddow

by TONI H Mar 15, 2017 2:01PM PDT

accusing Trump of releasing this two page tax form HIMSELF.........do you have proof of this or are you just 'speculating' and masking that as an accusation? Or are you just 'retweeting' what other liberal media are suggesting now via this forum? FAKE NEWS, JP????????

'Splain yourself...........

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REdo you have proof of this

by JP Bill Mar 15, 2017 7:16PM PDT

ME?....MOI? personally, have proof? of that?....I might...Just a minute I have to check my filing cabinet...Hold your breath until I get back to you.

I did find this on the interweb...

The White House responded without even waiting for the show to air, issuing a statement that seemed to confirm the authenticity of the forms even as it defended Trump and assailed the network for publicizing them.

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If I'm not mistaken

by TONI H Mar 16, 2017 3:37AM PDT

most times, the WH or one of its departments gets a preview of what's coming out.....they don't stop it, (or if you are Clinton, you get to edit it) but at least they are aware of what's coming. Just like with a live interview, they know what questions are going to be asked (and if you're BO, you ramble on with extremely long answers in order to eat up the clock so the interviewer can't get to the question you really don't want to answer).

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Like I said

by JP Bill Mar 16, 2017 4:05AM PDT

WH admitted the amounts on the 1040 BEFORE the form was released on TV.

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So you admit that

by TONI H Mar 16, 2017 7:13AM PDT

because Maddow and others just before her show were publicly telling people that she had his taxes from 2005, that the WH also had that information ahead of time and NOT because, as you and other liberals are accusing, Trump's administration put it 'in the mailbox' of someone who has been dogging Trump for years and is an admitted Socialist?

UNTIL you and they have the proof that shows Trump or anybody connected to him VOLUNTARILY and DELIBERATELY gave that quack his return and that it DIDN'T come from some 'rogue' person in the 'shadow' government that is out to dismantle this administration, even to the point of breaking the law to do it, you are committing the SAME act that you are also accusing Trump of doing when he says "Obama 'wiretapped' him". Making statements that you are unable to prove..........However, I have the ability with the Trump accusation of Obama to wait for that investigation to be over with before saying anything other than Obama already has a reputation for this crap because he's actually done it before as I've shown you.

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RE:So you admit that

by JP Bill Mar 16, 2017 7:47AM PDT

So you admit that the WH also had that information ahead of time

Admit?...

IF by WH you mean Donald J Trump, POTUS.

Well, I would hope so...

Surely to god HE would/should know what was in HIS tax returns...He still does have that many marbles left....but I think he may be running low....

Just listening to some politician ripping Trump about his "wiretapping" claims....

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RE:Kellyanne Conway...she is NOT Inspector Gadget>>>>.

by JP Bill Mar 15, 2017 12:09PM PDT

Kellyanne Conway...she is NOT Inspector Gadget>>>>.With the Microwave camera...

Has anyone else started leaving a radio playing in their microwave oven (to prevent THEM for hearing any conversation I am having from being overheard) and unplugging the oven when not in use...I also keep it covered with a towel...just in case they have some way to power up the microwave without it being plugged in.

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