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and a wall comes tumbling down

by WOODS-HICK / January 23, 2008 7:32 AM PST

"RAFAH, Gaza Strip (AP) ? Tens of thousands of Palestinians on foot and on donkey carts poured into Egypt from Gaza Wednesday after masked gunmen used land mines to blast down a seven-mile barrier dividing the border town of Rafah.

The border breach was a dramatic protest against the closure of the impoverished Palestinian territory imposed last week by Israel.

Jubilant men and women crossed unhindered by border controls over the toppled corrugated metal along sections of the barrier, carrying goats, chickens and crates of Coca-Cola. Some brought back televisions, car tires and cigarettes and one man even bought a motorcycle. Vendors sold soft drinks and baked goods to the crowds.

They were stocking up on goods made scarce by the Israeli blockade and within hours, shops on the Egyptian side of Rafah had run out of stock. The border fence had divided the Rafah into two halves, one on the Egyptian side and one in southern Gazan."


""We don't want a humanitarian crisis, but the Hamas government who is responsible for the launching of rockets into Israel had to be weakened by all means," Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said Wednesday on a visit to Paris.

The rocket fire by Gaza militants has sent residents in Israeli border communities scrambling for shelter several times a day. The rockets have traumatized many area residents and killed 12 Israelis in six years. The attacks have persisted despite the closure."

walls are one solution to problems

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(NT) The world has changed since Robert Frost's day.
by drpruner / January 23, 2008 9:10 AM PST
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(NT) no argument here
by WOODS-HICK / January 23, 2008 10:29 AM PST
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Do you understand that poem?
by EdH / January 23, 2008 7:30 PM PST

It is not in favor of walls. But walls can be useful. Do you leave your doors open at night?

Better solutions are great. Who has the better solutions?
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"Mending Wall"
by drpruner / January 24, 2008 8:58 AM PST

The narrator is initially annoyed because the neighbor insists it's time to mend. The last line, I think, is the narrator's acceptance of the situation.

Also: The two must cooperate on a single wall that belongs to neither, but the benefits are obvious, even though they aren't at war with each other. Good solution.

"Who has the better solutions?"
Here's one: But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace ... The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it. (Psalm 37:11,29)

It's from an old, now-discredited book, the part of which was written by an unlettered shepherd who is barely known to secular history. It does have the benefit of being picked up by a historical character named Jesus: Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth. (Matthew 5:5)

But he paid the price for his religious nonconformity, and so did his followers who left behind only the aforementioned book. About that particular time Herod the king applied his hands to mistreating some of those of the congregation. He did away with James the brother of John by the sword. (Acts 12:1-2) "These men that have overturned the inhabited earth are present here also ... And all these [men] act in opposition to the decrees of Caesar, saying there is another king, Jesus." (Acts 17:6-7)

Just the book; no great physical edifices, no renowned scholars like Aquinas or Luther, no emotional edifices like Christmas or Ramadan. Just the book, and a group of people who live among themselves as if Ps 37 had kingly authority. We don't need walls at all; for us, this better solution works quite well.

Interesting side note: We go door-to-door talking to strangers about religion. (One forbidden subject, according to popular wisdom. The other is forbidden on SE.) To get on common ground, we often ask, "Do you leave your doors open at night? Do you think there will ever be a day when we can?"

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Walls with doors.
by James Denison / January 23, 2008 10:28 PM PST

Those work better. Controlled entrances and exits. Look here in the US, we have "gated communities" which seem to work well.

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I agree with your thought; the promise of security.
by drpruner / January 24, 2008 9:06 AM PST
In reply to: Walls with doors.

However, it happens one near here fails on that promise, as the residents have discovered. (The gates are unmanned due to cost considerations, so during the day they are opened and unmonitored.) That has led to bad situations [to the residents] like Jehovah's Witnesses having access with their pesky bibles. Happy Of course, that's even without the Witnesses who live there and can go to those doors anytime. Ya just can't win! (As one of them said, "We moved here to get away from you people!")

No serious crimes yet, but I can see that the "security" is a false feeling. Just a matter of time.

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(NT) Buy they say walls are the solution!
by Dan McC / January 23, 2008 10:16 AM PST
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(NT) not everybody, thank goodness
by WOODS-HICK / January 23, 2008 10:28 AM PST
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well then you try leaving your doors open
by jimandjerry / January 23, 2008 10:12 PM PST

while fanatical extremists use bombs to kill you.

you soon wouldn't feel that way.but since you live in a semi secure country, walk a mile in there shoes, where all the surrounding countries have sworn to wipe you off the map

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Did you mean bombs that kill people
by drpruner / January 24, 2008 9:10 AM PST

but aren't capable of destroying the door first?

By coincidence, Albuquerque PD is just today working on a home-invasion homicide- probably drug-related- where the perps simply used a shotgun on the front door to gain access.

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well dan you try liveing
by jimandjerry / January 23, 2008 10:09 PM PST

next to people that want to kill you. leave your doors open see how long you around.

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I have two questions.
by Dan McC / January 24, 2008 1:05 AM PST

What exactly are you talking about?

Are you Jim or Jerry?


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you said they said walls help i said
by jimandjerry / January 24, 2008 5:04 AM PST
In reply to: I have two questions.

well dan you try liveing - New!
by jimandjerry - 1/24/08 6:09 AM
In reply to: (NT) Buy they say walls are the solution! by Dan McC

"next to people that want to kill you. leave your doors open see how long you around"

what didnt you understand?
and as to if im jim or jerry what has that to do with my question

im willing to bet you never lived in those countries.so you live with no fears of rockets nor suicide bombers.
and yes walls do help

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Just asking.
by Dan McC / January 24, 2008 6:26 AM PST

You are not required to answer.


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you are right
by jimandjerry / January 24, 2008 7:06 AM PST
In reply to: Just asking.

i am not required to play your game
i answered both times but then your not required to answer

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