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An event I'm sorry wasn't covered more extensively.

May 3, 2006 5:08PM PDT

The White House correspondents dinner with Stephen Colbert as roaster in chief. I'd have laughed, I certainly laughed while reading it.

Colbert roasts Bush in hellfire of his own making
By Charles M. Ashley
Online Journal Contributing Writer

May 3, 2006, 01:50
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_760.shtml
"I have only seen a few news clips of the White House Correspondents Dinner and heard some comments. Although the corporate press is doing all it can to downplay the importance of this event, they cannot entirely conceal the truth.

"The Washington Post's Dana Milbank, on MSNBC?s Countdown with Keith Olbermann, said it "wasn't funny," and Chris Matthews of MSNBC?s Hardball said Stephen Colbert was "bad."

"Typical corporate press disingenuousness -- unwilling to dig in and analyze for fear of uncomfortably scratching through the lies into truth. It "wasn't funny" and it was "bad" because the guests didn't laugh. They only cringed and squirmed in open-mouthed incredulity. Well, so what? Colbert was playing to a larger audience.

"Both Milbank and Matthews apparently side with the upscale audience at the dinner.

"For my part, I thought it was quite funny in an uncomfortably sardonic way. I especially liked the looks on Bush's stupid face as he had to sit there and take it, as it dawned on him that he and his fatal rot would be bathed in the light of comic truth.

"?Reality,? Colbert jabbed, ?has a well known liberal bias.?

"I liked the incredulous looks on the audience's faces too. They weren't laughing, but that was only because their stupid little money-grubbing, power-mad, self-serving Bush-worshipping egos were invested. The right-wing high muckety-mucks know they are hopelessly entangled with Bush. And the correspondents all know they haven?t done their jobs as stalwarts of the so-called Fourth Estate. They also know that the truth will out. It is outing. They feel it all unraveling.

"Colbert was roasting the guests at the same time he spitted Bush and turned him slowly in the hell-fire Bush himself ignited with his appallingly arrogant choices. It was a bonfire barbecue of conservative vanities.

"Colbert on the press: "Let's review the rules. Here's how it works. The president makes decisions, he?s the decider. The press secretary announces those decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions down. Make, announce, type. Put them through a spell check and go home. Get to know your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel you got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration. You know -- fiction.""

Apparently the news is out that "the media" have become the lapdogs of the Administration, any Administration. Now this isn't news. The media thought Ronnie Ray-Gun was wonderful, so folksy and grandfatherly and senile and all. And he didn't make them work for stories, he had them all nicely gift wrapped for the reporters who were tired from running around actually doing some work during the Nixon years. I mean its tiring carrying a 300 pound ego around, having convinced yourself that you saved democracy when all the heavy lifting was done in the Senate and by a handful of real reporters. If they'd actually done the work and had gotten Ray-Gun turfed out of office for Iran Contra, I actually wouldn't have minded them going after Clinton and kicking him out too, even though they were happy being fed all that disinformation by the Republican Noise Machine. At least it would have looked fair. But the National Press has been the President's mimeograph machine for 26 years now, and its time it stopped.

Hope the roast is released on video.

Rob

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Hellooo Mods. Is this what you and Lee...
May 3, 2006 6:00PM PDT

...don't want us to respond to???...especially:

"I especially liked the looks on Bush's stupid face as he had to sit there and take it, as it dawned on him that he and his fatal rot would be...."

AND:

"...but that was only because their stupid little money-grubbing, power-mad, self-serving Bush-worshipping egos were invested. The right-wing high muckety-mucks know they are hopelessly entangled with Bush."

I just wanted some guidance.

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(NT) (NT) Special rules for special people
May 3, 2006 8:48PM PDT
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I look at it this way...
May 3, 2006 9:25PM PDT

Contrast is good. We can see what society would be like if everyone was crazy, say. It's like when you're young your parent pointing out a bum and saying, "Don't become like that guy."

One can only hope that the fine Canadian health care system is sufficiently prepared to deal with psychosis of this magnitude.

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See, that's a personal attack,andthat's what I think Lee Koo
May 3, 2006 10:21PM PDT

is trying to curtail. I didn't attack anyone in my post, except lazy News agencies and their reporters and some of the people at the dinner, and I didn't do it personally, I merely posted a news item that did that. That's why you're in the wrong on this. You aren't dealing with the issue, you're attacking the person who posted it. But it's not like this is the first time it's happened, it's business as usual here at SE. If they wanted to get a full time Mod who could tell the difference between a general post and a personal attack, I'm sure things would sort themselves out quickly. I'll refrain from volunteering even though I could use the work.

Even my stuff about Rush Limbaugh is what is called in the news business "fair comment", not because what I said was fair, although it was accurate, but because he is a public figure whose character has been made the issue by himself. He proclaimed himself Not Guilty, when he's been sentenced to a form of probation. He didn't get sentenced because he was Not Guilty, he would have had a complete discharge then. He worked out a plea agreement that will expunge his record, but he did something wrong to get there in the first place.

That's where Evie's little parallel between me and the cry-baby breaks down. I haven't gone Doctor Shopping, I haven't been investigated for fraud and abuse of the Medical system (there's nothing there to investigate in my case), nobody needed a search warrant for my medical records, I didn't have 4000 pills of controlled substances in my possession. I get my pain medication, Tylenol 3's(Back injury on the job catching a falling patient, herniated disc) in loads of 50 or 100 pills, all prescribed by my one GP. I can usually make 50 pills last more than a month unless I'm troubled by migraines as well. Now for your information since you've all been so nice and caring about this issue, I can no longer stand for more than about 30 minutes without fairly severe pain running down both legs, which has limited my employability lately, but that's not enough to qualify for any sort of assistance. But other than all those legal issues and his politics I'm just like Rush Limbaugh, overweight and opinionated. Unfortunately they pay him for his opinions but they don't pay me for mine. But don't confuse that with a personal attack because everything I've said about him has been widely reported in the newspapers. Except why the charges were so dramatically reduced from 4000 pills to 40 and from a felony to a misdemeanor. Could it be political interference in the Judicial Process, I don't know. I report, you decide.

Rob

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(NT) (NT) You've exceeded your BS limit for the day
May 3, 2006 10:34PM PDT
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You're right. That was over the top...
May 4, 2006 3:53AM PDT

My only excuse is that I was responding to Jack and wanted him to understand exactly where I was coming from.

I apologize and henceforth I will try to refrain from referring to any mental infirmities, real or imagined that I may perceive you as suffering from. I may however, on occasion giggle uncontrollably or mutter obscenities under my breath as I see fit.

I hope you can dry your eyes and accept my heartfelt apology.

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I'm just reporting a news item, I'm not being disrespectful
May 3, 2006 9:49PM PDT

to a member, I'm not even dissing the President, I'm posting a report on the White House Press dinner that I saw none of in the regular media (but then again I am in Canada so have slightly restricted access to newspapers), and to a large extent his remarks were directed at reporters. You guys are always complaining about the media and reporters and their bias, how is this different?

Rob

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Newsflash
May 3, 2006 9:58PM PDT

A comedy routine ISN'T news.

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(NT) (NT) The piece he quotes bashes Bush...all that's needed.
May 3, 2006 10:01PM PDT
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Remember, Evie...
May 4, 2006 4:38AM PDT

Evie, remember when Bill Clinton was President, attended one of those traditional dinners, and Don Imus got "crude" with his humor? I can't help but notice that in that case there was press coverage criticizing Imus.
Now, in this current case we hear complaints that there was not enough press coverage criticizing Bush.
I can't help but find it sad in a way that somebody could be so bitter - bitter to the point that they complain that a traditional comedy routine did not get enough press coveage. I can't help what could have made someone so bitter.

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I see that NO ONE with any credibility has...
May 4, 2006 4:23AM PDT

...answered my question. It only requires a ''Yes'' or ''No'' answer. Was the question to tough? If so, I'll try to simplify it. AND to Rob:

I have as much or maybe more formal baccalaureate and graduate education than you. Except mine was in the Sciences, not the Arts. Point is, come off your superiority complex. You give the impression that you think you're superior to everyone else on this planet. Well, that just "ain't" so. The one most important thing all of my education taught me was just how TOTALLY IGNORANT I really am. The more I learned, the more I realized how much I really DID NOT know. So get a clue, Rob, and adjust your attitude accordingly. Everything is relative. Compared to the REALLY big "brains" out there...past and present...you and I are TOTAL idiots.

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Uh, one question
May 4, 2006 4:51AM PDT

I know I'm an idiot, does that make me smart?

Tom

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It was covered extensively...
May 3, 2006 9:07PM PDT

Where have you been? Actually, I don't want to know.

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Preparing for the Ontario Classics Association conference at
May 3, 2006 9:54PM PDT

Brock University where all the Latin and Greek geeks get to compete in academic and sports related to Classics. Language, Myth, History, Athletics and Archaeology.

I have limited access to the US Press, but good access to ABC NBC CBS CNN and MSNBC which you have apparently designated as tainted sources. I didn't see anything on any of the Networks on the White House do.

Rob

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Was carried live on C-SPAN....
May 3, 2006 10:05PM PDT

and on at least two other channels. MSNBC might have been one of them. Excerpts were shown throughout the next day on CNN and other channels.

But it gave you a chancxe to slag Bush, which was your whole and only intention. You are fooling no one.

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Sounds like a writer after your own heart Rob. After this,
May 3, 2006 10:32PM PDT

I'll bet the video would be a disappointment. A writer whose own arrogance conceals himself from himself, and who sees everyone else as stupid and below him.

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Re: "laptop" and "mineograph"
May 4, 2006 2:48AM PDT

I rise to differ with your critique of the legitimate media.

There has always been (and I'm older than you) a "honeymoon" period at the beginning of administrations. Of course, during WWII, for instance, the press self-monitored itself for obvious reasons. But that's about it. They also kept the lid on any hanky panky by the White House occupants.

There word was not mum as to some on the Hill. There were lots of photos and stories about an older senator and a young woman performer. But when others on the Hill were more discreet, it didn't make the news until a female reporter wrote a book.

For a long time there wasn't interest by either people or politcal parties about if a candidate had ever stolen a watermelon. or even once been stopped for speeding.(I don't think there should be.)

The Iran-Contra Hearings were televised in their entirety, and heavly disected in the media. IMO, this was even more stringent because the one person who knew the pure truth died, which fueled the intrique.

Reagan held a lot of press conferences. His delivery was excellent (he was a pro, y'know), and was well briefed. Like Clinton and this President Bush, his personality was likeable. Thus he was able to court the press. But I differ that he got a free ride, and neither did the first not does the second.

Sure, some of the news stories are spun, according to the editorial policy of the various media owners. But the news is the news, and though the spin can be different, it is still the news.

Sure, the government can "use" the press through leaks, some of which were later regretted. But once leaked, the media covers the information.

If more people watched C-Span and live coverage on cable news outlets, they could hear for themselves what is actually said, and not so totally depend on what somebody else (some of which are huge spinners) tells them was said (often out of context). We can't be present at news conferences, so it is up to the reporters who are there to ask the questions, including the "tough" ones.

Our media is not now or has ever been owned by the government, so I find your accustion of it's having been it's laptop or mimeograph silly and not true. Our free press is a hallmark of democracy. Also consider that we have no ties to a monarchy, so no one can sit in the Oval Office more than eight years. Whoever is there , we stand when they enter the room out of respect for the Office , but we do not curtsy or bow. Our leaders work for us, and we have the right to question what they do. Were it not for the legitimate media, we might not know what questions to ask.

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