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AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+

by ksoiehawo / July 6, 2005 4:09 AM PDT

I was about to build my Pentium Dual Core system when all of a sudden I found this website
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050706A2006.html

According to the site, the Athlon 3800+ Dual Core will come out in August for $345!!!

Do you guys think I should go with the Pentium I was going to build or wait for this?

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AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+
by jcrobso / July 6, 2005 4:35 AM PDT
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The market is changing very fast!! And the price wars are on!! And big price cuts seem to come in August. So just wait and see what happens. John

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Looks as if John is correct.
by Ray Harinec / July 6, 2005 5:10 AM PDT
In reply to: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+

This is almost a life and death struggle between Intel and AMD. [no matter what Intel will survive, but their dual cores leave so much to be desired.] Their idle power is the same as the AMD peak [and that is only because they limited the clock speed] and the communications path between the two Intel CPU's is very constrained.

Tomshardware has a very informative article comparing the performance.

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OMG, im jus gonna go with intel
by ksoiehawo / July 6, 2005 4:21 PM PDT

I bet by the time the new AMD comes out, some new Intel will come out as well, and then I will consider getting that...

I am just going to get the Intel for now, cause I am very impatient

anyone think i am making a bad decision?

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well, its not bad
by AKonny47 / July 7, 2005 1:22 AM PDT

but amd runs cooler, quieter, and outperforms intel dual cores, thats why i would just wait for the prices to drop. but there isnt anything wrong with intels dual core cpus, afterall, they are dual core! so either way you go, hopefully amd, will future proof you with 64 bit and dual core.

konny

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would i see a big jump in
by ksoiehawo / July 24, 2005 4:18 AM PDT
In reply to: well, its not bad

performance if I went from a 3.0Ghz P4 to the 3800+ X2?

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Nope...
by jrmar07 / July 24, 2005 9:04 AM PDT

Once again clockspeed means...NOTHING! lol.

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(NT) (NT) ^Wait forget what I just said, idk wat you're asking...
by jrmar07 / July 24, 2005 9:18 AM PDT
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big difference?
by ksoiehawo / July 24, 2005 9:30 AM PDT

would i see a big difference in performance if i switched from a Pentium 4 3.0Ghz (single core) to a Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (dual core)?

Im going to be mostly doing video editing on this computer.

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my suggestion
by angryfirelord / July 24, 2005 11:55 PM PDT
In reply to: big difference?

I would wait for the price to drop. While you may see a little difference, it won't be too drastic. Besides, if you use HT, you should be fine for video editing.

As for me, I'm waiting for Windows Vista when I build my next computer. Socket M2 should be out by then.

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Socket M2?
by ikjadoon / August 2, 2005 9:02 AM PDT
In reply to: my suggestion

What is Socket M2? Is it a new AMD socket? Do you have any info on it?
-Thanks
Ibrahim

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Arjun Sharma: Socket M2 Information {Advanced Micro Devics}
by Arjun Sharma / August 19, 2005 5:25 AM PDT
In reply to: Socket M2?

By: Arjun Sharma

AMD is to transition allits desktop processors to Socket M2 in H2 2006, following the upcoming connectivity system's introduction next year.

Both interconnects will also support dual-channel DDR 2 SDRAM, which would mean that rumours that AMD would skip DDR 2 and go straight to DDR 3 are unfounded.

So sat Taiwanese PC and server makers who claim to have seen the chip maker's roadmap, according to a DigiTimes report.

Socket M2 will be initially supported by future Opteron 1xx parts, while the two-way and four-way versions of AMD's server chip family will use Socket F. M2 will use a 940-pin port, it seems, while F will use 1207 pins. Both interconnects will presumably pave the way for the quad-core processors AMD expects to ship in 2007, but they will also be used by single- and dual-core chips too.

M2 and F will replace AMD's current array of interconnects: Socket 754, used by Sempron and Athlon 64 parts; Socket 939, used by Athlon 64 and Athlon 64-FX; and Socket 940, used by Opteron 1xx, 2xx and 8xx processors. The chip maker is currently deprecating the old Socket A interconnect, and it is expected to migrate the Opteron 1xx line to Socket 939 later this year.

I also have a picture of the Socket M2, as I also work for Advanced Micro Devices as an Engineer. Here is the Link what I found open to the public-

http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/86/86886.shtml

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Yes it will
by Marauders / July 25, 2005 3:19 AM PDT
In reply to: big difference?

Check on the article at Tomshardware, they have done a good comparison and not only that it will really help in your video editing that you are planning to do because one core will be effectively dedicated to that operation while the other for your regular needs, to substantiate this go through the article the author has given good examples

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compared to single core
by ksoiehawo / July 25, 2005 3:57 AM PDT
In reply to: Yes it will

Is the X2 3800+ a dual core version of the single core 3800+?

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clock speed
by ksoiehawo / July 25, 2005 9:16 AM PDT

does anyone know the clockspeed of the X2 3800+? cause i read that it was 2.0Ghz, if thats true, is the X2 3800+ a dual core version of the 3200+ (2.0Ghz)?

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Comparison Charts
by ksoiehawo / July 30, 2005 10:24 AM PDT
In reply to: clock speed

I just found out the following

Athlon64X2 4200+ = Dual Athlon64 3500+
Athlon64X2 4400+ = Dual Athlon64 3700+
Athlon64X2 4600+ = Dual Athlon64 3800+
Athlon64X2 4800+ = Dual Athlon64 4000+

so would that make the Athlon64X2 3800+ = Dual Athlon64 3200+?

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Yes...
by damasta55r / July 30, 2005 10:39 AM PDT
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But perhaps there would be a amd athlon x2 4000+ with additional cache based on the rumored to exist 3500+ san diego which is said to have an unlocked multiplier. but who cares, m2 is on the way. i bet menrom will bring changes for intel also..

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Be nice to know where you found out....link? Can't
by John Robie / July 30, 2005 5:44 PM PDT
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seem to locate that comparison chart.
Thanks

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link
by ksoiehawo / July 31, 2005 1:29 AM PDT
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Should I get it or wait?
by ksoiehawo / July 30, 2005 10:56 AM PDT
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I wanted to get the 3800+ when it is released in august, but do you think it would be worth it?

i am currently using a 3.0GHz P4 (478) with 1GB of ram, but its really unstable...
I got it CTO from Futureshop, but they don't seem to be able to fix the problem, and now the warranty is off caues I've had it for more than a year now

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Available now
by sam_19113 / July 31, 2005 3:23 AM PDT

The Athlon X2 3800+ is available now (www.overclockers.co.uk). Intel is the best performer for video processing so it would probably be best to go for dual core intel. However at just about every else - AMD is better. You stability problems could be heat related, particularly if you are frequently doing video processing (high processor demand).

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Athlon 64 x2 3800 price
by John Robie / August 1, 2005 7:57 AM PDT
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now released today by AMD is $354 in 1000 lots. Add on about $20.

AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual-Core Processors
AMD in 1000 purchases PIB Price

x2 4800+ $902 = $1045.99 at Tiger Direct
x2 4600+ $704 = $795 & $803 at Newegg
x2 4400+ $537 = $729 at Newegg
x2 4200+ $482 = $537 & $555 at Newegg
x2 3800+ $354 = +$20 = $374 est individual price


Intel prices:
Intel Extended Edition
Dual Core 840 3.2GHz = $1005.99 at Newegg

Intel Pentium D Dual-Core Processors
840 3.2GHz = $542.99 at Newegg
830 3.0GHz = $318.99 at Newegg
820 2.8GHz = $245.99 at Newegg

My personal preference would be to go with the PentD 830 at $318.99, however, it is up to you on your decision.

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reviews
by ksoiehawo / August 1, 2005 10:14 AM PDT

thats what i was thinking, but some reviews (i think it was anandtech and tomshardware) say that the AMD cleary beats the 830 in most areas...

and i was thinking, since a single core 3200+ is better than a single core 3.0GHz P4 in most areas, I could possibly get more improvement (in single threaded programs) by going for a 3800+ because I already have a 3.0GHz computer. And I also hear that the 3800+ can stably overclock to the 2.4GHz range on air cooling.

and for the prices, the place that i think im going to buy it from has both processors about $10 apart, (newegg doesnt ship to canada)

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Hmm....
by John Robie / August 1, 2005 3:32 PM PDT
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The only reviews I've read from Tom's is a comparison of the AMD 64 x2 top of the line 4800 dual-core vs the Intel top of the line Extreme Edition (EE) 840 dual-core. As I recall anandtech's review was with the same two. I would like to see a Tom's Hardware review comparison of the others.

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RE
by damasta55r / August 1, 2005 4:14 PM PDT
In reply to: Hmm....
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Thanks Roger. Not a good
by John Robie / August 1, 2005 7:09 PM PDT
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comparison with Intel dual-core lineups. They did state that, "A detailed comparison of the dual core offerings from both AMD and Intel will follow soon."

The charts only showed the Pentium D 840 dual-core and not the Pentium Extreme Edition (EE) 840 dual-core which was compared with the AMD 64 x2 4800 previously. But, in any event, like you indicate, the 840 they used, and the single core Intel 660 did show higher in the Direct 9X game runs. Wish they would have showed the normal gamers setting of 1024x768 like they usually include in test instead of the 1280x1024.

Oh well, they were probably in a hurry to get the report out the same day AMD released the new prices, since they did make a misprint on the Pent D 820 2.8GHz calling it a Pentium D 380 twice. They did state in regards to the x2 3800..."A price of $400 is a step in the right direction, but remains a lot of money for a CPU, and Intel's entry-level Pentium D 380 (2.8 GHz) is still somewhat cheaper." Yes, for $245.99, a $155 difference.

Looking forward to their forthcoming comparisons, as that report didn't do much in the way of comparison to the Intel dual-cores.

Dell does make a Precision 380 Workstation with Pent D in all the dual-core Intel models, but don't believe Tom's Hdw was thinking of that PC.

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anandtech
by ksoiehawo / August 2, 2005 2:56 AM PDT
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Thanks. I would still wait for
by John Robie / August 2, 2005 6:58 AM PDT
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the overall Tom's Hardware test of all the Dual-Core Processors.

For me, the AnandTech is not as thorough and their is not that much difference when you figure in the price factor.

x 3800 = $374+ ($455.60 CAD)
820 = $245.99 ($299.68 CAD)
830 = $328.99 ($388.65 CAD)

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canadian stores
by ksoiehawo / August 2, 2005 8:38 AM PDT

do you know any good canadian stores that have good prices?

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Re: Canadian Stores...
by John Robie / August 2, 2005 9:18 AM PDT
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Gee, I haven't been involved in Canadian stores as I'm located way down in SW Texas. Looking at my bookmarks, there is a Canadian Best Buy:
http://www.bestbuycanada.ca/home.asp?test%5Fcookie=1 and another listed that I really don't know much about:

http://www.ncix.com/

Would love to visit and tour Canada. The only place I've been up there is to Nigara Falls about 15 years ago. Have plenty of camcorder video and the Mounties/people are very nice/helpful, and hey..they talk just like me without the accent.

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prices at NCIX
by ksoiehawo / August 2, 2005 9:56 AM PDT
In reply to: Re: Canadian Stores...

I was going to buy from NCIX, but the prices at NCIX for the CPUs are high
Athlon64 X2 3800+ = $478 CAD
Pentium D 830 = $470

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