After reading about the seal clubbing

this has been done for decades (at least five that I know about) and I have never seen a bird with a string tied around his legs, other than the banding government does. Please try to get real with that advice. I am aware of all the soda can plastic and other bird hazzards.

Keeping birds away from azaleas??? In Charleston, SC? You have to be kidding, this is the Azalea Festiful this weekend, we are swimming in azaleas.

I'm talking about wild birds, not chocolate wanting pet birds, these birds can not be kept away from any of the items posted. But thanks for the warning, I'll do more homework so your post was not wasted time.

Bird watcher

reads up on proper saftey for toys, cages etc.
only iresponceible owners never think saftey 1st.

i do that for my snake setups of course no toys but proper heat, and clean enviroment.
i make sure my cats toys are safe for her

I don't own any birds, don't cage birds, these are wild birds.

When you cage animals, you are responsible for their care. (and not a nice person IMHO) Wild birds and other animals are taught to survive by their mothers, they don't eat Azaleas in this state or they would all be dead. The whole Southeast is loaded with stuff on the list which was written for pet owners who cage their animals.

and when some birds that are in captivity are the last in the world its because there caged there here to breed.

ive owned birds on and off had a parrot till i got devorced.
i got child payments and she got the bird

in captivity it's because humans have messed with nature again. Taking a free bird that can do things we only dream about; like fly, and put them in a cage would be like keeping me from driving curvey roads in North Carolina in my sportscar.

Different strokes huh?

to hopefully release?

things going on, 1) Playing God or 2) Trying to repair the damage from previous human intervention.

Got any more?

btw i dont keep birds i keep snakes.

you are wrong IMHO. If you don't, your a nut.

Even in the case of birds held captive until they are broken mentally.

You believe what you want and I'll believe what my heart tells me. I paraphrase John Lennon, if you let it go and it doesn't come back, it was never yours to start with.

that mans encrochment has cut all there habitat down and there gone

My neighbor thought his padded swing was being torn-up by squirrels until I showed him a camera-phone picture. There is a bigger and less known treasure called the Four Hole Swamp, not far from here. There are so many Scientists and Doctors running around, and they do know bird stuff.

One, that has written many books told me how to keep the Canadian Geese out of my yard by erecting a wall at the waters edge made out of a piece of string placed at 13" off the ground. They can't step over and are too lazy to fly over.

It works, they now dirty the neighbors lawn. Anyone that ever played golf in SC can tell you how nasty the Canadian Geese are. All they do is run their mouths and poop on everything.

I'm still asking about short pieces of cotton string because I wouldn't want to hurt them. I've seen them use dead pieces of Pompas Grass which is stronger than I am.

tariffs on the Giant to the South that protects you and furnishes you with much of your work and income and you can't stand up to Newfoundland?

Oh, well then.

One party has something the other wants (or neeeds).

Nobody (country) buys something without a reason. (usually)

Why belong to an organization (WTO) if you are not going to abide by the rulings?

Byrd and WTO ruling

Why has Canada decided to retaliate against the United States, its largest trading partner?

Over 2 years ago, the WTO ruled that the Byrd Amendment was inconsistent with WTO rules. Despite this, the United States continues to maintain the Byrd Amendment. Retaliation is the only remedy provided in the WTO when a WTO Member does not comply with its international trade obligations.

Canada has the most at stake in this dispute. While Canada?s current retaliation level is $14 million, the U.S. has already collected over $4.3 billion in duties on U.S. imports of Canadian softwood lumber. Starting in late 2007, U.S. softwood producers could begin receiving annually some US$1 billion in duties collected on Canadian softwood exports. Duties are also being collected on U.S. imports of certain Canadian steel products, magnesium, wheat, and live swine.

How much money has been distributed to U.S. industries from countervailing and anti-dumping duties collected on U.S. imports from Canada?

The total amount paid out in 2001 was approximately US$5.2 million.
The total amount paid out in 2002 was approximately US$2.5 million.
The total amount paid out in 2003 was approximately US$9.5 million.
The total amount paid out in 2004 was approximately US$15.5 million.

Will these distribution amounts collected on U.S. imports from Canada stay in the same range in the future?

Disbursement of Canadian duties to U.S. producers is expected to not exceed $50 million in the next three years. However, if the Byrd Amendment is not repealed, approximately US$ 1 billion in duties collected on Canadian exports of the softwood lumber could be disbursed annually to the U.S. softwood lumber industry starting late 2007.

Didn?t President Bush state his intention to implement the WTO ruling?

The United States has had over two years to repeal the Byrd Amendment but it has failed to do so. The U.S. Administration has called for the repeal of the Byrd Amendment in its 2005 and 2006 budget proposals. It is time that the Bush Administration makes repeal a legislative priority.

Speaking of controling provinces, is the President having a problem controling states and special interest groups?

Years for doing ????

that when I say "constitutional crisis" I mean there is a chance that the country could come apart. It's not like it is in the U.S.Our government spends a fair amount of time trying to keep this country together. At any given time there is at least one or two provinces which are threatening in some way to leave our federation. Alberta, Quebec and Newfoundland most rercently have all made pointed remarks about leaving the country because of what they say is unfair treatment at the hands of our federal government.In fact, in Quebec, there have been a number of referenda on the subject with the seperationists losing by a narrow margin each time. Elections held in Quebec have been lost by the seperationists by slim margins.The fear is that if just one of those provinces go there will be a domino effect.
So you see Jerry 562, it is a lot easier to impose tariffs on other countries than it is to risk a constitutional crisis with an angry province.

That 80-90% of Canadians oppose the seal hunt.
yes I guess they do but only because the seals are not killing off one of their main sources of income.If it was wolves killing cattle in alberta or any animal destroying crops in saskatchewan canadians would be 100% for destroying them any way possible.Face it ,it's just another to hell with the dumb newfs from the rest of canada.Yes I would like to see nfld. separate from canada we been screwed long enough.
I agree on the overfishing as there are countries from all over the world fishing off our coast, suppose to stay outside the 200 mile limit but often caugh inside and the gutless canadian government does nothing about it.
If the canadian government did it job controlling the fishery as it is suppose to since we lost all control since becoming part of canada and let us control the seals as we always have there would be plenty of fish and the fishery would'nt be closed down.
Regardless of the overfishing by foreign countries,that your government is to gutless to do anything about millions of seals eat millions of lbs.of cod fish.

There is no scientific data to support the sealers' contention that seals eat all the fish. Seals are but one of many species that eat fish and seals do not eat just cod.
I disagree that we Canadians mistreat you or disrespect you Newfoundlanders ice_joe. If it were Albertans or Sakatchewan farmers killing wolves or some other animal we Canadians would oppose that too.
Here in B.C. our economy depends largely on lumber export but a large majority of BCers oppose clearcutting and support selective logging. We have waged countless battles in our forests against logging. In fact, as you may recall,800 people went to jail or served house arrest over the Clayoquot cut.
So you see ice_joe, it's not a Newfie thing.
I said earlier that the Nefoundland economy depended on the seal hunt. However, I think I was mistaken. As far as I can tell, only about 4000 sealers are registered with the government and it is only part-time work for them.

Best,

You guys know nothing of the problems caused by seals, all you see is the bull put on tv by the anti sealing groups that make themselves filty rich by getting donations to stop the hunt.The bs they show of poor baby seals getting killed is all staged by people they pay to do all kinds of **** that would never be allowed at the legal hunt.Newfoundland once had the richest fishing grounds in the world but since the hunts have been cut back by the stupid canadians the fish have almost disappeared.Seals dont only eat fish they kill millions by just taking bites out of them.If the seal herds continue to grow as they are there wont be a fish left for anyone and they will soon all starve to death.Would ranchers allow the wolves to increase to numbers great enough to kill all their cattle? or farmers allow any wildlife to increase enough to eat all their crops?Do you guys know there are millions of seals of several different species and none of them eat at Macdonalds or BurgerKing.The fishery is almost completely closed now and thousands of fishermen and plant workers unemployed thanks mostly to americans who stick their noses into something they know nothing about.I would kill seals by any means possible and also any dam protester crazy enough to get out on the ice to protect them.

if you cant fish farm or get a job

all animals are helpless

but when its a preditor of size a man without a weapon is food

killed for food are helpless,so if you eat meat give it up.
This is my last message or visit to this forum so ban me if you like but will have my last word here. I once had a little dislike of americans for their know it all ways and we know whats best for you even when we dont know the facts.That dislike has turned to hate, even more than I once had for your enemies after 9\11.I am now beginning to understand why you are so hated worldwide and why there are suicide bombers.I would die with a smile if I could take some of you @#$%$#@ with me.I am no kid and still remember ww11 where you guys did'nt mind millions of helpless humans being killed.