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after much thought, and weighing the pros and cons

by jonah jones / September 30, 2004 7:57 AM PDT

i have decided to post these links...

they portray the beheading of two american citizens, they are very explicit, very bloody, and very barbaric...

i post them for many reasons, but posssibly first and foremost, to show all the "do gooders" and the "PC crowd" (who complained of the way that Chorus Line was treated by certain SE members) that THIS is what Chorus Line FAILED TO CONDEMM!!!, that while he/she/it was singing the praises of allah the all merciful and telling us "that we don't understand", her "brethren" were using very sharp knives to CUT THE HEADS OFF AMERICANS!!!

and the really sad thing? that 'til this day, there are still people here who will be only to happy to say "poor poor CL, how badly he/she was treated".... and that some of them will dare to drag up the name when they start the old "look at how many 'newbies' have been driven off" song and dance routine!!

WARNING! only watch these clips if you have a strong stomach or a strong sense of JUSTICE...





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I don't have words for this. . .
by Coryphaeus / September 30, 2004 9:03 AM PDT

They are animals, period. How anyone could question why we are there is beyond me. These animals must be stopped. By ANY means.

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And they killed 34 Iraqi children today too.
by James Denison / September 30, 2004 9:16 AM PDT

Why aren't Iraqis turning in these people? They have to know where they are. I'm hoping the death of the children will convince any Iraqis that have been helping or harboring the terrorist to turn them in.

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Re: after much thought, and weighing the pros and cons
by Rolway / September 30, 2004 10:10 AM PDT

Horrible. I wish everyone could take a good look at these clips and maybe, just maybe they will realize why these animals have to be stopped over there and by what ever action deemed necessary to end this inhuman slaughter of innocent people and children. Thanks for posting it Jonah.


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Re: after much thought, and weighing the pros and cons
by Mark5019 / September 30, 2004 11:13 AM PDT

thank you Jonah Ive said from the start there animals and some of the PC crowd had my posts pulled.
these sub humans aren't worth a trial on site you execute them on capture no trial just a bullet.

make it so painfull that they give up

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Re: after much thought, and weighing the pros and cons
by RB2D2 / September 30, 2004 2:23 PM PDT

I have no problem with the links you posted. I do not question the horror and evil of the terrorist. However, I do question your need to drag Chorus Line's name around like she was one of them. Of course she has condemmed the terrorist.

Muslims all over the world have comdemmed the terrorist. The skewered, twisted talk in SE does NOT cover all that is going on in the real world.


I can't help but ask myself the question: Would this be happening if Bush had not stumped into Iraq like a bull in a china shop for God only knows what reason? Does he have a plan to stop it or will he just keep saying the same thing over and over; "We have to stop the terrorist". I'm sick of his words!

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(NT) (NT) 1) Achilles Laurel 2) See Clay's list
by Diane Harrison / September 30, 2004 3:38 PM PDT
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Re: (NT) 1) Achilles Laurel 2) See Clay's list
by RB2D2 / September 30, 2004 3:43 PM PDT

I have no idea what you're talking about.

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(NT) (NT) Clay was kind enough to put it below again
by Diane Harrison / October 1, 2004 12:19 AM PDT
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Re: after much thought, and weighing the pros and cons
by Mark5019 / September 30, 2004 8:57 PM PDT

where? did she/he say that

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Re: after much thought, and weighing the pros and cons
by C1ay / September 30, 2004 10:06 PM PDT
Would this be happening if Bush had not stumped into Iraq...

There you go again. Try reading the dates on the list this time to see how many of them happened before we ever went to Iraq.

February 10, 1970: Three terrorists attacked El Al passengers in a bus at the Munich Airport with guns and grenades. One passenger was killed and 11 were injured. All three terrorists were captured by airport police. The Action Organization for the Liberation of Palestine and the Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attack.

September 5, 1972: Eight Palestinian terrorists seized 11 Israeli athletes in the Olympic Village in Munich, West Germany. During rescue attempt by West German authorities nine of the hostages and five of the terrorists were killed.

March 2, 1973: U.S. Ambassador to Sudan Cleo A. Noel and other diplomats were assassinated at the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Khartoum by members of the Black September organization.

December 17, 1973: Five terrorists pulled weapons from their luggage in the terminal lounge at the Rome airport, killing two persons. They then attacked a Pan American 707 bound for Beirut and Tehran, destroying it with incendiary grenades and killing 29 persons, including 4 senior Moroccan officials and 14 American employees of ARAMCO. They then herded 5 Italian hostages into a Lufthansa airliner and killed an Italian customs agent as he tried to escape, after which they forced the pilot to fly to Beirut. After Lebanese authorities refused to let the plane land, it landed in Athens, where the terrorists demanded the release of 2 Arab terrorists. In order to make Greek authorities comply with their demands, the terrorists killed a hostage and threw his body onto the tarmac. The plane then flew to Damascus, where it stopped for two hours to obtain fuel and food. It then flew to Kuwait, where the terrorists released their hostages in return for passage to an unknown destination.

June 27, 1976: Members of the Baader-Meinhof Group and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) seized an Air France airliner and its 258 passengers.

November 4, 1979: Iranian radicals seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and took 66 American diplomats hostage. Thirteen hostages were soon released, but the remaining 53 were held until their release on January 20, 1981.

November 20, 1979: 200 Islamic terrorists seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, taking hundreds of pilgrims hostage. Saudi and French security forces retook the shrine after an intense battle in which some 250 people were killed and 600 wounded.

October 6, 1981: Soldiers who were secretly members of the Takfir Wal-Hajira sect attacked and killed Egyptian President Anwar Sadat during a troop review.

September 14, 1982: Premier Bashir Gemayel, the Lebanese Prime Minister, was assassinated by a car bomb parked outside his party's Beirut headquarters.

April 18, 1983: Sixty-three people, including the CIA's Middle East director, were killed, and 120 were injured in a 400-pound suicide truck-bomb attack on the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

October 23, 1983: Simultaneous truck-bomb attacks were made on American and French compounds in Beirut, Lebanon. A 12,000-pound bomb destroyed the U.S. Marine barracks, killing 242 Americans, while 58 French troops were killed when a 400-pound device destroyed a French base. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

March 16, 1984: The Islamic Jihad kidnapped and later murdered Political Officer William Buckley in Beirut, Lebanon. Other U.S. citizens not connected to the U.S. Government were seized over a succeeding 2-year period.

April 12, 1984: Eighteen U.S. servicemen were killed, and 83 people were injured in a bomb attack on a restaurant near a U.S. Air Force Base in Torrejon, Spain. Responsibility was claimed by Hizballah.

September 20, 1984: United States embassy in the Lebanese capital, Beirut is truck bombed by a member of the extremist group, the Islamic Jihad.

December 4, 1984: Kuwaiti airliner seized en route to Pakistan and forced to land in Tehran. During the siege, two American passengers were killed by the hijackers.

June 14, 1985: A Trans-World Airlines flight was hijacked en route to Rome from Athens by two Lebanese Hizballah terrorists and forced to fly to Beirut. The eight crew members and 145 passengers were held for 17 days, during which one American hostage, a U.S. Navy sailor, was murdered.

September 30, 1985: In Beirut, Lebanon, Sunni terrorists kidnapped four Soviet diplomats. One was killed but three were later released.

October 7, 1985: Four Palestinian Liberation Front terrorists seized the Italian cruise liner Achille Lauro in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, taking more than 700 hostages. One U.S. passenger was murdered.

November 23, 1985: An EgyptAir airplane bound from Athens to Malta and carrying several U.S. citizens was hijacked by the Abu Nidal Group.

December 27, 1985: Four gunmen belonging to the Abu Nidal Organization attacked the El Al and Trans World Airlines ticket counters at Rome?s Leonardo da Vinci Airport with grenades and automatic rifles. Thirteen persons were killed and 75 were wounded before Italian police and Israeli security guards killed three of the gunmen and captured the fourth. Three more Abu Nidal gunmen attacked the El Al ticket counter at Vienna?s Schwechat Airport, killing three persons and wounding 30.

March 30, 1986: A Palestinian splinter group detonated a bomb as TWA Flight 840 approached Athens Airport, killing four U.S. citizens.

April 5, 1986: Two U.S. soldiers were killed, and 79 American servicemen were injured in a Libyan bomb attack on a discoteque in West Berlin, West Germany.

April 24, 1987: Sixteen U.S. servicemen riding in a Greek Air Force bus near Athens were injured in an apparent bombing attack, carried out by the revolutionary organization known as November 17.

February 17, 1988: U.S. Marine Corps Lt. Col. W. Higgins was kidnapped and murdered by the Iranian-backed Hizballah group while serving with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization (UNTSO) in southern Lebanon.

April 14, 1988: The Organization of Jihad Brigades exploded a car bomb outside a USO Club in Naples, Italy, killing one U.S. sailor.

December 21, 1988: Pan American Airlines Flight 103 was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, by a bomb placed on the aircraft in Frankfurt, West Germany, by Libyan terrorists. All 259 people on board were killed.

September 19, 1989: A bomb explosion destroyed UTA Flight 772 over the Sahara Desert in southern Niger during a flight from Brazzaville to Paris. All 170 persons aboard were killed. Six Libyans were later found guilty in absentia and sentenced to life imprisonment.

January 18-19, 1991: Iraqi agents planted bombs at the U.S. Ambassador to Indonesia's home residence and at the USIS library in Manila.

March 17, 1992: Hizballah claimed responsibility for a blast that leveled the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires, Argentina, causing the deaths of 29 and wounding 242.

February 26, 1993: The World Trade Center in New York City was badly damaged when a car bomb planted by Islamic terrorists explodes in an underground garage. The bomb left six people dead and 1,000 injured.

April 14, 1993: The Iraqi intelligence service attempted to assassinate former U.S. President George Bush during a visit to Kuwait.

February 25, 1994: Jewish right-wing extremist and U.S. citizen Baruch Goldstein machine-gunned Moslem worshippers at a mosque in West Bank town of Hebron, killing 29 and wounding about 150.

December 24, 1994: Members of the Armed Islamic Group seized an Air France Flight to Algeria. The four terrorists were killed during a rescue effort.

March 8, 1995: Two unidentified gunmen killed two U.S. diplomats and wounded a third in Karachi, Pakistan.

July 4, 1995: In India, six foreigners, including two U.S. citizens, were taken hostage by Al-Faran, a Kashmiri separatist group. One non-U.S. hostage was later found beheaded.

August 21, 1995: Hamas claimed responsibility for the detonation of a bomb that killed six and injured over 100 persons, including several U.S. citizens in a Jerusalem bus attack

November 13, 1995: The Islamic Movement of Change planted a bomb in a Riyadh military compound that killed one U.S. citizen, several foreign national employees of the U.S. Government, and more than 40 others.

November 19, 1995: A suicide bomber drove a vehicle into the Egyptian Embassy compound in Islamabad, Pakistan, killing at least 16 and injuring 60 persons. Three militant Islamic groups claimed responsibility.

February 15, 1996: Unidentified assailants fired a rocket at the U.S. Embassy compound in Athens, causing minor damage to three diplomatic vehicles and some surrounding buildings. Circumstances of the attack suggested it was an operation carried out by the 17 November group.

February 26, 1996: In Jerusalem, a Hamas suicide bomber blew up a bus, killing 26 persons, including three U.S. citizens, and injuring some 80 persons, including three other US citizens.

March 4, 1996: Hamas and the Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ) both claimed responsibility for a bombing outside of Tel Aviv's largest shopping mall, the Dizengoff Center, that killed 20 persons and injured 75 others, including two U.S. citizens.

May 13, 1996: Arab gunmen opened fire on a bus and a group of Yeshiva students near the Bet El settlement in the West Bank, killing a dual U.S.-Israeli citizen and wounding three Israelis.

June 9, 1996: Unidentified gunmen opened fire on a car near Zekharya, killing a dual U.S./Israeli citizen and an Israeli. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) is suspected.

June 25, 1996: A fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded outside the U.S. military's Khobar Towers housing facility in Dhahran, killing 19 U.S. military personnel and wounding 515 persons, including 240 U.S. personnel.

August 1, 1996: A bomb exploded at the home of the French Archbishop of Oran, killing him and his chauffeur. The Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA) is suspected.

August 17, 1996: Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) rebels kidnapped six missionaries in Mapourdit, including a U.S. citizen, an Italian, three Australians, and a Sudanese. The SPLA released the hostages 11 days later.

September 13, 1996: In Iraq, Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) militants kidnapped four French workers for Pharmaciens Sans Frontieres, a Canadian United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) official, and two Iraqis.

November 1, 1996: In Sudan a breakaway group from the Sudanese People's Liberation Army (SPLA) kidnapped three International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) workers, including a U.S. citizen, an Australian, and a Kenyan.

December 3, 1996: A bomb exploded aboard a Paris subway train as it arrived at the Port Royal station, killing two French nationals, a Moroccan, and a Canadian, and injuring 86 persons. Among those injured were one U.S. citizen and a Canadian.

January 2-13, 1997: A series of letter bombs with Alexandria, Egypt, postmarks were discovered at Al-Hayat newspaper bureaus in Washington, New York City, London, and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Three similar devices, also postmarked in Egypt, were found at a prison facility in Leavenworth, Kansas. Bomb disposal experts defused all the devices, but one detonated at the Al-Hayat office in London, injuring two security guards and causing minor damage.

February 23, 1997: A Palestinian gunman opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland, and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine."

September 4, 1997: Three suicide bombers of Hamas detonated bombs in the Ben Yehuda shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing eight persons, including the bombers, and wounding nearly 200 others. A dual U.S./Israeli citizen was among the dead, and seven U.S. citizens were wounded.

October 30, 1997: Al-Sha'if tribesmen kidnapped a U.S. businessman near Sanaa, Yemen. They released the hostage on November 27.

November 12, 1997: Two unidentified gunmen shot to death four U.S. auditors from Union Texas Petroleum Corporation and their Pakistani driver after they drove away from the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi. The Islami Inqilabi Council, or Islamic Revolutionary Council, claimed responsibility in a call to the U.S. Consulate in Karachi. In a letter to Pakistani newspapers, the Aimal Khufia Action Committee also claimed responsibility.

November 17, 1997: Al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya (IG) gunmen shot and killed 58 tourists and four Egyptians and wounded 26 others at the Hatshepsut Temple in the Valley of the Kings near Luxor, Egypt. Thirty-four Swiss, eight Japanese, five Germans, four Britons, one French, one Colombian, a dual Bulgarian/British citizen, and four unidentified persons were among the dead. Twelve Swiss, two Japanese, two Germans, one French, and nine Egyptians were among the wounded.

April 15, 1998: Somali militiamen abducted nine Red Cross and Red Crescent workers at an airstrip north of Mogadishu, Somal. The hostages included a U.S. citizen, a German, a Belgian, a French, a Norwegian, two Swiss, and one Somali. The gunmen were members of a subclan loyal to Ali Mahdi Mohammed, who controlled the northern section of the capital.

August 7, 1998: A bomb exploded at the rear entrance of the U.S. embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, killing 12 U.S. citizens, 32 Foreign Service Nationals (FSNs), and 247 Kenyan citizens. About 5,000 Kenyans, six U.S. citizens, and 13 FSNs were injured. Almost simultaneously, a bomb detonated outside the U.S. embassy in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing seven FSNs and three Tanzanian citizens, and injuring one U.S. citizen and 76 Tanzanians. The U.S. Government held Usama Bin Ladin responsible.

August 12, 2000: In the Kara-Su Valley, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan took four U.S. citizens hostage. The Americans escaped on August 12.

October 12, 2000: In Aden, Yemen, a small dingy carrying explosives rammed the destroyer U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39 others. Supporters of Usama Bin Ladin were suspected.

December 30, 2000: A bomb exploded in a plaza across the street from the U.S. embassy in Manila, injuring nine persons. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front was likely responsible.

March 4, 2001: A suicide bomb attack in Netanya killed 3 persons and wounded 65. HAMAS later claimed responsibility.

March 15, 2001: Three Chechens hijacked a Russian airliner during a flight from Istanbul to Moscow and forced it to fly to Medina, Saudi Arabia. The plane carried 162 passengers and a crew of 12. After a 22-hour siege during which more than 40 passengers were released, Saudi security forces stormed the plane, killing a hijacker, a passenger, and a flight attendant.

April 22, 2001: A member of Hamas detonated a bomb he was carrying near a bus stop in Kfar Sava, Israel, killing one person and injuring 60.

May 27, 2001: Muslim Abu Sayyaf guerrillas seized 13 tourists and 3 staff members at a resort on Palawan Island and took their captives to Basilan Island. The captives included three U.S. citizens: Guellermo Sobero and missionaries Martin and Gracia Burnham. Philippine troops fought a series of battles with the guerrillas between June 1 and June 3 during which 9 hostages escaped and two were found dead. The guerrillas took additional hostages when they seized the hospital in the town of Lamitan. On June 12, Abu Sayyaf spokesman Abu Sabaya claimed that Sobero had been killed and beheaded; his body was found in October. The Burnhams remained in captivity until June 2002.

June 1, 2001: Hamas claimed responsibility for the bombing of a popular Israeli nightclub in Tel-Aviv that caused over 140 casualties.

August 9, 2001: A Hamas-planted bomb detonated in a Jeruselum pizza restaurant, killing 15 people and wounding more than 90.

September 9, 2001: The first suicide bombing carried out by an Israeli Arab killed 3 persons in Nahariya. HAMAS claimed responsibility.

September 11, 2001: Two hijacked airliners crashed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Soon thereafter, the Pentagon was struck by a third hijacked plane. A fourth hijacked plane, suspected to be bound for a high-profile target in Washington, crashed into a field in southern Pennsylvania. More than 5,000 U.S. citizens and other nationals were killed as a result of these acts.

December 1, 2001: Two suicide bombers attacked a Jerusalem shopping mall, killing 10 persons and wounding 170.

December 2, 2001: A suicide bomb attack aboard a bus in Haifa, Israel, killed 15 persons and wounded 40. HAMAS claimed responsibility for both this attack and those on December 1 to avenge the death of a HAMAS member at the hands of Israeli forces a week earlier.

January 15, 2002: Palestinian militants fired on a vehicle in Beit Sahur, killing one passenger and wounding the other. The dead passenger claimed U.S. and Israeli citizenship. The al-Aqsa Martyrs Battalion claimed responsibility.

January 17, 2002: A Palestinian gunman killed 6 persons and wounded 25 in Hadera, Israel, before being killed by Israeli police. The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility as revenge for Israelis killing of a leading member of the group.

January 23, 2002: Armed militants kidnapped Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in Karachi, Pakistan. Pakistani authorities received a videotape on February 20 depicting Pearl?s murder. His grave was found near Karachi on May 16. Pakistani authorities arrested four suspects. Ringleader Ahmad Omar Saeed Sheikh claimed to have organized Pearl's kidnapping to protest Pakistan's subservience to the United States, and had belonged to Jaish-e-Muhammad, an Islamic separatist group in Kashmir.

January 27, 2002: A suicide bomb attack in Jerusalem killed one other person and wounded 100. The incident was the first suicide bombing made by a Palestinian woman.

February 16, 2002: A suicide bombing in an outdoor food court in Karmei Shomron killed 4 persons and wounded 27. Two of the dead and two of the wounded were U.S. citizens. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) claimed responsibility.

March 7, 2002: A suicide bombing in a supermarket in the settlement of Ariel wounded 10 persons, one of whom was a U.S. citizen. The PFLP claimed responsibility.

March 9, 2002: A suicide bombing in a Jerusalem restaurant killed 11 persons and wounded 52, one of whom was a U.S. citizen. The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.

March 21, 2002: A suicide bombing in Jerusalem killed 3 persons and wounded 86 more, including 2 U.S. citizens. The Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

March 27, 2002: A suicide bombing in a noted restaurant in Netanya, Israel, killed 22 persons and wounded 140. One of the dead was a U.S. citizen. The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) claimed responsibility.

March 31, 2002: A suicide bombing near an ambulance station in Efrat wounded four persons, including a U.S. citizen. The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.

April 11, 2002: Explosion at historic synagogue in Tunisia leaves 21 dead, including 14 German tourists.

April 12, 2002: A female suicide bomber killed 6 persons in Jerusalem and wounded 90 others. The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.

May 9, 2002: Eleven French nationals and three Pakistanis died when an explosion ripped through a bus outside an upscale Karachi hotel in Pakistan.

May 9, 2002: A remotely-controlled bomb exploded near a May Day parade in Kaspiisk, Dagestan, killing 42 persons and wounding 150. Fourteen of the dead and 50 of the wounded were soldiers. Islamists linked to al-Qaida were suspected.

June 14, 2002: Bomb explodes outside American Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Al Qaida and al-Qanin were suspected.

June 19, 2002: A suicide bombing at a bus stop in Jerusalem killed 6 persons and wounded 43, including 2 U.S. citizens. The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.

July 17, 2002: Two suicide bombers attacked the old bus station in Tel Aviv, Israel, killing 5 persons and wounding 38. The dead included one Romanian and two Chinese; another Romanian was wounded. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

July 31, 2002: A bomb hidden in a bag in the Frank Sinatra International Student Center of Jerusalem's Hebrew University killed 9 persons and wounded 87. The dead included 5 U.S. citizens and 4 Israelis. The wounded included 4 U.S. citizens, 2 Japanese, and 3 South Koreans. The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) claimed responsibility.

August 4, 2002: A suicide bomb attack on a bus in Safed, Israel, killed 9 persons and wounded 50. Two of the dead were Philippine citizens; many of the wounded were soldiers returning from leave. HAMAS claimed responsibility.

September 18, 2002: Gunmen ambushed a vehicle on a road near Yahad, killing an Israeli and wounding a Romanian worker. The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.

September 19, 2002: A suicide bomb attack on a bus in Tel Aviv killed 6 persons and wounded 52. One of the dead was a British subject. HAMAS claimed responsibility.

October 6, 2002: An explosive-laden boat rammed the French oil tanker Limburg, which was anchored about 5 miles off al-Dhabbah, Yemen. One person was killed and 4 were wounded. Al-Qaida was suspected.

October 12, 2002: Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, kill 202, mostly Australian citizens.

October 23-26, 2002: Fifty Chechen rebels led by Movsar Barayev seized the Palace of Culture Theater in Moscow, Russia where they seized more than 800 hostages from 13 countries and threatened to blow up the theater. All of the rebels were killed, but 94 hostages (including one American) also died, many from the effects of the gas. A group led by Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility.

November 21, 2002: A suicide bomb attack on a bus on Mexico Street in Jerusalem killed 11 persons and wounded 50 more. One of the dead was a Romanian. HAMAS claimed responsibility.

November 28, 2002: A three-person suicide car bomb attack on the Paradise Hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 15 persons and wounded 40. Three of the dead and 18 of the wounded were Israeli tourists; the others were Kenyans. Near Mombasa's airport, two SA-7 shoulder-fired missiles were fired as an Arkia Airlines Boeing 757 that was carrying 261 passengers back to Israel. Both missiles missed. Al-Qaida, the Government of Universal Palestine in Exile, and the Army of Palestine claimed responsibility for both attacks. Al-Ittihad al-Islami was also suspected of involvement.

December 27, 2002: A suicide bomb attack involving two explosives-laden trucks destroyed the offices of the pro-Russian Chechen government in Grozny. The attack killed over 80 people and wounded 210. According to a Chechen website run by the Kavkaz Center, Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility.

January 5, 2003: Two suicide bomb attacks killed 22 and wounded at least 100 persons in Tel Aviv, Israel. Six of the victims were foreign workers. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs? Brigades claimed responsibility.

February 8, 2003: Members of Ansar al-Islam assassinated Kurdish legislator Shawkat Haji Mushir and captured two other Kurdish officials in Qamash Tapa in northern Iraq.

March 5, 2003: A suicide bombing aboard a bus in Haifa, Israel, killed 15 persons and wounded at least 40. One of the dead claimed U.S. as well as Israeli citizenship.

Netanya, March 30, 2003: A suicide bombing in a cafe in Netanya, Israel, wounded 38 persons. Only the bomber was killed. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility and called the attack a "gift" to the people of Iraq.

May 12, 2003: Suicide bombers attacked three residential compounds for foreign workers in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. The 34 dead included 9 attackers, 7 other Saudis, 9 U.S. citizens, and one citizen each from the United Kingdom, Ireland, and the Philippines. Another American died on June 1. It was the first major attack on U.S. targets in Saudi Arabia since the end of the war in Iraq. Saudi authorities arrested 11 al-Qaida suspects on May 28.

May 12, 2003: A truck bomb explosion demolished a government compound in Znamenskoye, Chechnya, killing 54 persons. Russian authorities blamed followers of a Saudi-born Islamist named Abu Walid.

May 12, 2003: Two female suicide bombers attacked Chechen Administrator Mufti Akhmed Kadyrov during a religious festival in Iliskhan Yurt. Kadyrov escaped injury, but 14 other persons were killed and 43 were wounded. Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility.

May 16, 2003: A team of 12 suicide bombers attacked five targets in Casablanca, Morocco, killing 43 persons and wounding 100. The targets were a Spanish restaurant, a Jewish community, a Jewish cemetery, a hotel, and the Belgian Consulate. The Moroccan Government blamed the Islamist al-Assirat al-Moustaquim (The Righteous Path), but foreign commentators suspected an al-Qaida connection.

May 18, 2003: A suicide bomb attack on a bus in Jerusalem?s French Hill district killed 7 persons and wounded 20. The bomber was disguised as a religious Jew. HAMAS claimed responsibility

May 19, 2003: A suicide bomb attack by a female Palestinian student killed 3 persons and wounded 52 at a shopping mall in Afula, Israel. Both Islamic Jihad and the al-Aqsa Martyrs? Brigades claimed responsibility.

June 11, 2003: A suicide bombing aboard a bus in Jerusalem killed 16 persons and wounded at least 70, one of whom died later. HAMAS claimed responsibility, calling it revenge for an Israeli helicopter attack on HAMAS leader Abdelaziz al-Rantisi in Gaza City the day before.

August 1, 2003: A suicide truck bomb attack destroyed a Russian military hospital in Mozdok, North Ossetia and killed 50 persons. Russian authorities attributed the attack to followers of Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev.

August 5, 2003: A car bomb exploded outside the Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia, killing 10 persons and wounding 150. One of the dead was a Dutch citizen. The wounded included an American, a Canadian, an Australian, and two Chinese. Indonesian authorities suspected the Jemaah Islamiah, which had carried out the October 12, 2002 bombing in Bali.

August 7, 2003: A car bomb exploded outside the Jordanian Embassy in Baghdad, Iraq, killing 19 persons and wounding 65. Most of the victims were apparently Iraqis, including 5 police officers. No group claimed responsibility.

August 12, 2003: The first suicide bombings since the June 29 Israeli-Palestinian truce took place. The first, in a supermarket at Rosh Haayin, Israel, killed one person and wounded 14. The second, at a bus stop near the Ariel settlement in the West Bank, killed one person and wounded 3. The al-Aqsa Martyrs? Brigades claimed responsibility for the first; HAMAS claimed responsibility for the second.

August 19, 2003: A truck loaded with surplus Iraqi ordnance exploded outside the United Nations Headquarters in Baghdad?s Canal Hotel. A hospital across the street was also heavily damaged. The 23 dead included UN Special Representative Sergio Viera de Mello. More than 100 persons were wounded. It was not clear whether the bomber was a Baath Party loyalist or a foreign Islamic militant. An al-Qaeda branch called the Brigades of the Martyr Abu Hafz al-Masri later claimed responsibility.

August 19, 2003: A suicide bombing aboard a bus in Jerusalem killed 20 persons and injured at least 100, one of whom died later. Five of the dead were American citizens. HAMAS and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility, although HAMAS leader al-Rantisi said that his organization remained committed to the truce while reserving the right to respond to Israeli military actions.

August 29, 2003: A car bomb explosion outside the Shrine of the Imam Ali in Najaf, Iraq killed at least 81 persons and wounded at least 140. The dead included the Ayatollah Mohammed Bakir al-Hakim, one of four leading Shiite clerics in Iraq. Al-Hakim had been the leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) since its establishment in 1982, and SCIRI had recently agreed to work with the U.S.-sponsored Iraqi Governing Council.

September 9, 2003: Two suicide bombings took place in Israel. The first, at a bus stop near the Tsrifin army base southeast of Tel Aviv, killed 7 soldiers and wounded 14 soldiers and a civilian. The second, at a caf? in Jerusalem?s German Colony neighborhood, killed 6 persons and wounded 40. HAMAS did not claim responsibility until the next day, although a spokesman called the first attack" a response to Israeli aggression."

September 20, 2003: Gunmen shot and seriously wounded Akila Hashimi, one of three female members of the Iraqi Governing Council, near her home in Baghdad. She died September 25.

September 22, 2003: A suicide car bomb attack on the UN Headquarters in Baghdad killed a security guard and wounded 19 other persons.

October 4, 2003: A Palestinian woman made a suicide bomb attack on a restaurant in Haifa, killing 19 persons and wounding at least 55. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. The next day, Israel bombed a terrorist training camp in Syria.

October 9, 2003: Gunmen assassinated a Spanish military attache in Baghdad. A suicide car bomb attack on an Iraqi police station killed 8 persons and wounded 40.

October 12, 2003: Two suicide car bombs exploded outside the Baghdad Hotel, which housed U.S. officials. Six persons were killed and 32 wounded. Iraqi and U.S. security personnel apparently kept the cars from actually reaching the hotel.

October 15, 2003: A remote-controlled bomb exploded under a car in a U.S. diplomatic convoy passing through the northern Gaza Strip. Three security guards, all employees of DynCorp, were killed. A fourth was wounded. The diplomats were on their way to interview Palestinian candidates for Fulbright scholarships to study in the United States. Palestinian President Arafat and Prime Minister Qurei condemned the attack, while the major Palestinian militant groups denied responsibility. The next day, Palestinian security forces arrested several suspects, some of whom belonged to the Popular Resistance Committees.

October 26, 2003: Iraqis using an improvised rocket launcher bombarded the al-Rashid Hotel in Baghdad, killing one U.S. Army officer and wounding 17 persons. The wounded included 4 U.S. military personnel and seven American civilians. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul D. Wolfowitz, who was staying at the hotel, was not injured. After visiting the wounded, he said, "They?re not going to scare us away; we?re not giving up on this job."

October 26, 2003: Two gunmen believed to be Baath Party loyalists assassinated Faris Abdul Razaq al-Assam, one of three deputy mayors of Baghdad. U.S. officials did not announce al-Assam?s death until October 28.

October 27, 2003: A series of suicide car bombings in Baghdad killed at least 35 persons and wounded at least 230. Four attacks were directed at Iraqi police stations, the fifth and most destructive was directed at the International Committee of the Red Cross headquarters, where at least 12 persons were killed. A sixth attack failed when a car bomb failed to explode and the bomber was wounded and captured by Iraqi police. U.S. and Iraqi officials suspected that foreign terrorists were involved; the unsuccessful bomber said he was a Syrian national and carried a Syrian passport. After a meeting with Administrator L. Paul Bremer, President Bush said, "The more successful we are on the ground, the more these killers will react."

November 8, 2003: In Riyadh, a suicide car bombing took place in the Muhaya residential compound, which was occupied mainly by nationals of other Arab countries. Seventeen persons were killed and 122 were wounded. The latter included 4 Americans. The next day, Deputy Secretary of State Armitage said al-Qaeda was probably responsible.

November 12, 2003: A suicide truck bomb destroyed the headquarters of the Italian military police in Nasiriyah, Iraq, killing 18 Italians and 11 Iraqis and wounding at least 100 persons.

November 15, 2003: Two suicide truck bombs exploded outside the Neve Shalom and Beth Israel synagogues in Istanbul, killing 25 persons and wounding at least 300 more. The initial claim of responsibility came from a Turkish militant group, the Great Eastern Islamic Raiders? Front, but Turkish authorities suspected an al-Qaeda connection. The next day, the London-based newspaper al-Quds al-Arabi received an e-mail in which an al-Qaeda branch called the Brigades of the Martyr Abu Hafz al-Masri claimed responsibility for the Istanbul synagogue bombings.

November 20, 2003: Two more suicide truck bombings devastated the British HSBC Bank and the British Consulate General in Istanbul, killing 27 persons and wounding at least 450. The dead included Consul General Roger Short. U.S., British, and Turkish officials suspected that al-Qaeda had struck again. The U.S. Consulate in Istanbul was closed, and the Embassy in Ankara advised American citizens in Istanbul to stay home.

November 20, 2003: A suicide car bombing in Kirkuk killed 5 persons. The target appeared to be the headquarters of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. PUK officials suspected the Ansar al-Islam group, which was said to have sheltered fugitive Taliban and al-Qaeda members after the U.S. campaign in Afghanistan.

Attacks on Other Coalition Personnel in Iraq, November 29-30, 2003: Iraqi insurgents stepped up attacks on nationals of other members of the Coalition. On November 29, an ambush in Mahmudiyah killed 7 out of a party of 8 Spanish intelligence officers. Iraqi insurgents also killed two Japanese diplomats near Tikrit. On November 30, another ambush near Tikrit killed two South Korean electrical workers and wounded two more. A Colombian employee of Kellogg Brown & Root was killed and two were wounded in an ambush near Balad.

December 5, 2003: A suicide bomb attack killed 42 persons and wounded 150 aboard a Russian commuter train in the south Russian town of Yessentuki. Russian officials suspected Chechen rebels; President Putin said the attack was meant to disrupt legislative elections. Chechen rebel leader Aslan Maskhadov denied any involvement.

December 9, 2003: A female suicide bomber killed 5 other persons and wounded 14 outside Moscow?s National Hotel. She was said to be looking for the State Duma.

December 15, 2003: Two days after the capture of Saddam Hussein, there were two suicide car bomb attacks on Iraqi police stations. One at Husainiyah killed 8 persons and wounded 20. The other, at Ameriyah, wounded 7 Iraqi police. Guards repelled a second vehicle.

December 19, 2003: A bomb destroyed the Baghdad office of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, killing a woman and wounding at least 7 other persons.

December 24, 2003: A suicide car bomb attack on the Kurdish Interior Ministry in Irbil, Iraq, killed 5 persons and wounded 101.

December 25, 2003: Two suicide truck bombers killed 14 persons as President Musharraf?s motorcade passed through Rawalpindi, Pakistan. An earlier attempt on December 14 caused no casualties. Pakistani officials suspected Afghan and Kashmiri militants. On January 6, 2004, Pakistani authorities announced the arrest of 6 suspects who were said to be members of Jaish-e-Muhammad.

December 25, 2003: A Palestinian suicide bomber killed 4 persons at a bus stop near Petah Tikva, Israel. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attack in retaliation for Israeli military operations in Nablus that had begun two days earlier.

December 31, 2003: A car bomb explosion outside Baghdad?s Nabil Restaurant killed 8 persons and wounded 35. The wounded included 3 Los Angeles Times reporters and 3 local employees.

March 14, 2004: Twin suicide bombs from Gaza infiltrated the Israeli port of Ashdod, killing 10 people and wounding over 20.

April 17, 2004: A suicide bomber launched an attack inside the Erez industrial zone at the Israel-Gaza border, killing a border police officer and wounding three others.

July 11, 2004: A bomb hidden behind at a Tel Aviv bus stop killed a woman and wounded more than 20 other people.

August 31, 2004: Hamas claims responsibility for twin bus bombings in Beersheva killing 16 and wounding 80 others.

September 1, 2004: Over 30 muslim terrorists including 9 Arab mercenaries take 1000 hostages at school is Beslan, Chechnya. 322 killed with half of them being children.

Now Rosalie, is it STILL your position that this is simply the result of deposing Saddam?

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Re: after much thought, and weighing the pros and cons
by RB2D2 / September 30, 2004 11:56 PM PDT

They seem to come from everywhere but Iraq. Saudia Arabia has always been a hot bed of terrorist, the ones that hit 9/11 were from there, Osama bin Laden came from there. Why didn't we invade them? Or Lybia? Why don't we go where the terrorist are/were instead of bringing them down on the necks of the Iraqis.

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The only answer is.......
by Glenda / October 1, 2004 12:13 AM PDT

Saddam Hussein and 12 LONG years of non-compliance???

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Re: after much thought, and weighing the pros and cons
by C1ay / October 1, 2004 12:57 AM PDT

We have gone after them elsewhere. We only went to Iraq to depose Saddam. Since we have been there the terrorists have also come to fight us there. This was not the cause for going to Iraq but a result of it.

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not the cause for going to Iraq but a result of it.
by RB2D2 / October 1, 2004 2:01 AM PDT


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Don't you think
by TONI H / October 1, 2004 2:32 AM PDT

that it's better to have the terrorists come to where your military is already in place than have those terrorists spread out all over the world striking here and there and killing innocents and bombing our bases and ships or even here at home again?


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(NT) (NT) LOL! ! ! That's funny, thanks!
by Dan McC / October 1, 2004 3:00 AM PDT
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im so glad you can lol i guess you lol when people hurt
by Mark5019 / October 1, 2004 3:57 AM PDT

them selves?

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(NT) (NT) She was obviously joking, Mark.
by Dan McC / October 1, 2004 3:59 AM PDT
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No I wasn't
by TONI H / October 1, 2004 4:15 AM PDT

Don't you believe that the way to win a war is to fight the enemy in one location rather than scattered all over the world? If the terrorists are pouring into Iraq in order to 'help' the terrorists that are there already........AND OUR MILITARY AND COALITION AND IRAQI MILITARY ARE ALSO THERE, it's far better to fight them in one place and get it over with as much as possible as quickly as possible. That's military strategy at its best.......force them to come to YOU and YOU PICK THE SPOT not them.


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by Dan McC / October 1, 2004 5:20 AM PDT
In reply to: No I wasn't

If this were a more conventional war, and if there were a limited number of enemy troops, and if there was a command structure that could surrender to us and cease hostilities, and if our actions didn't create more enemy troops, and if our actions didn't foster the conditions that lead to the growth of the enemy, and if our strategy didn't play into the recruiting policy of the enemy, and if...and if...then you might be right.


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OK...let me show you the errors of your ways
by TONI H / October 1, 2004 5:34 AM PDT
In reply to: Oh

>>>>if there were a limited number of enemy troops, and if there was a command structure that could surrender to us and cease hostilities, and if our actions didn't create more enemy troops, and if our actions didn't foster the conditions that lead to the growth of the enemy, and if our strategy didn't play into the recruiting policy of the enemy>>>>

There ARE in fact a limited number of enemy troops because we are whittling away at killing/capturing them.

The terrorists HAVE NO command structure built in to SURRENDER nor CEASE HOSTILITIES....they only kill and destroy like mechanical robots.

Our actions have NOT created more enemy troops....extra terrorists are coming into Iraq from OTHER countries in order to replace their fallen buds and keep the battle going. The total NUMBER of enemy troops haven't increased; they are only showing up by crawling out of the woodwork of other countries, and other than a couple of incidents outside of Iraq the last year, there have been far fewer attacks than before because they are leaving those other countries and congregating in one spot (Iraq).

If there were actually new recruiting going on, there would be alot more action going on in other countries in order to show their 'strength and numbers' than there has been recorded recently.


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Re: OK...let me show you the errors of your ways
by Dan McC / October 1, 2004 5:47 AM PDT
There ARE in fact a limited number of enemy troops because we are whittling away at killing/capturing them.

Our actions have NOT created more enemy troops.

You're just plain wrong here. You should brush up on your terrorism a little bit. If your argument is true there would be peace in Israel and the occupied territories years ago as the terrorists there were killed or died of old age.

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Re: OK...let me show you the errors of your ways
by TONI H / October 1, 2004 5:59 AM PDT

Israel and Palestine isn't Iraq....and the suicide bombers there are not coming in from other countries to help. They are fighting their own war over there. And we had lulled ourselves (along with other countries being lulled) into believing for far too long that the terrorist attacks that were happening in other parts of the world were isolated incidents and pockets. It wasn't until 9-11 happened to us that we got our wakeup call that those isolated incidents were practice shots while the terrorists that we are now fighting 'got it right'.


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Re: OK...let me show you the errors of your ways
by Dan McC / October 1, 2004 12:45 PM PDT

So terrorists can be created by actions in Israel and the occupied territories, but not by actions in Iraq. You'll have to explain to us why human nature operates so differently in the two places.


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Re: OK...let me show you the errors of your ways
by Evie / October 1, 2004 9:55 PM PDT

Terrorism is when human nature is abdicated for radical ideology.

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I didn't say that
by TONI H / October 1, 2004 10:11 PM PDT

As usual, you tend to twist somebody's words into your own interpretation.......

Terrorists as we know them today weren't created by actions in Israel. The war that Palestine and Israel have been fighting has been going on for a long, long time, and suicide bombers coming from Palestine was a 'normal' course of action in that war.

The terrorists that we deal with are not warring with another country so they can keep their land nor are they fighting a civil war of any kind. These terrorists have been staging massive strikes globally in order to defeat freedoms, democracy, humanity, a lifestyle they don't like, and making sure that any country, including their own, that doesn't cowtow and live in fear of them will sit up and take notice.

They have bastardized their own religion and used it and continue to use it as an excuse and a reason to kill, maim, destroy, and intimidate.

We, the United States citizens and other countries' citizens of like thinking (free to choose, free to live, free to work, free to go to school, free to move around, etc) are the terrorists' targets JUST BECAUSE WE ARE FREE. And the animals will do whatever they can think of, including 'borrowing' the suicide bomber methods of Palestine, to continue their crusade.

If you can't tell the difference between the war happening in Palestine/Israel and the war WE are fighting, along with other countries, then you are either a hopeless cause without a unique thought of your own and you will continue to parrot/recite the same garbage over and over or you approve of terrorists and their methods of madness. The easiest way for some people to cope with a government or a leader they aren't happy with is to blame that government or leader for problems in the world that have been there all along and those people just couldn't see the forest for the trees.

Would you be happier if we pulled out of Iraq completely and never again fought a terrorist anywhere no matter how those terrorists were continuing their crusade in other countries....and wait for those same terrorists to build strength and munitions to attack us again? If so, please make sure you keep in touch with them so you will know where to stand when they tell you their attack plan....you could be the first US martyr for their cause by directing them to their target personally.


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Re: OK...let me show you the errors of your ways
by Mark5019 / October 1, 2004 9:49 AM PDT

You're just plain wrong here. You should brush up on your terrorism a little bit. If your argument is true there would be peace in Israel and the occupied territories years ago as the terrorists there were killed or died of old age.

how in the heck did you figure that garbage out the palistians are trained to hate the isralis

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Re: OK...let me show you the errors of your ways
by Dan McC / October 1, 2004 12:12 PM PDT

That was really Toni's argument, not mine.


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Re: errors -- wrong on just about every count, Toni
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / October 2, 2004 4:47 AM PDT

Bill Moyers last night had a very interesting (un-preannounced) piece on NOW comparing the Iraq situation to the losing French Battler for Algeria, dissected in a 1965 French docudrama, The Battle of Algiers. I'd either rent that film (there's a subtitled edition available) or check Moyers' PBS site (starting from www.pbs.org) early next week for a summary of last night's piece (Clearly, a film would be more enlightening than a 15-20 minute summary). BTW, I saw the film in the 60's, when it was being compared to VietNam...

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but General, isn't there an advantage to having
by Kiddpeat / October 1, 2004 7:45 AM PDT
In reply to: Oh

them all in one place where they can be killed without the expense of sending people all over the world? Who needs them to surrender. Dead terrorists don't terrorize any more.

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