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Advice on 2nd new computer for gaming (specifics)?

Jun 19, 2006 12:16AM PDT

Hi everyone. I'm planning on buying a second computer for the home (setting up 2 computer home network for a broadband connection). I know some people will suggest building my own computer, but I'm really not that computer savvy. Summed up I'm looking for new computer decently priced for mainly gaming, internet and the usual casual personal computing, etc. I've been thinking of possibly a Gateway or HP (no more Dells!), but not quite sure yet. As far as specifics on the computer- I'm looking into getting an Athlon chip (not sure which one would be best, but I really like to stay away from Intel), an Nvidea Graphics Card, and Creative Sound card of some sort (no surround sound or anything like that, I mean 2 speakers are fine to me- at tops 4?). The games I mainly play are the Sims 2 (big memory hog) some of the newer FPS games, but I don't really get into the on-line gaming too much. I'd like a nice DVDs/CDs recorder, maybe 1 GB of RAM, and the Hard Drive.. I dunno, 160 GB? etc. Does anyone have any advice on what kind of chip, sound card, brand of computer etc., I should get into? Or a trustworthy company to get a computer customized? Thank you so much in advance!
Jeff

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suggestions
Jun 19, 2006 1:05AM PDT

neither gateway nor hp really sell pcs suitable for games like FarCry, FEAR, or DOOM 3. the video cards are wimpy and the power supplies are weak so they'd have to be replaced.

an hp m7300e with 1gb of ram, athlon xp 3800+, 80gb hd, dvd burner, tv tuner, and audigy 4 sound is $890 (after $150) rebate. add a geforce 7600gt ($170 web price) and replace the 300w power supply with an antec smart power 450w ($65 at CC) and you'd have a good gamer for just over $1100.

cUSA offers a similar PC that needs the same upgrades however they may be able to custom configure it in the store:
http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=52162220&pfp=external&tabtype=ts#moreinfo

here's a prebuilt entry-level gamer from monarch systems:
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=90594&Category_Code=AllNemesis

lastly, here's a ibuypower system:
http://www.ibuypower.com/ibp/store/configurator.aspx?mid=160
3800+ x2 (dual core), 1gb ram, 7600gt, 200gb hd, audigy se sound, is about $960.

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Hm, Any other links for good custom gaming PC companies?
Jun 20, 2006 11:38PM PDT

Thanks Ramarc for all the info. I was wondering if you (or anybody else) had any other links to fair, trustworthy companies or businesses that would customize a decent, moderately priced gaming PC for me (w/ flat monitor)? Preferrably, with great warranties, prices and customer service (preferrably ones that don't outsource out of America and speak english- like Dell does) other than Gateway, HP, etc.? Does CompUSA or Bestbuy customize gaming PC's for you? FYI, I'm a novice at all this gaming harware stuff. Thanks in advance!
Jeff

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Suggestions
Jun 20, 2006 11:59PM PDT

Any retail store except for maybe compusa will not be able to customize a system. Best Buy receive pre built systems in a box.

I'm in the same boat as you and I'm still looking. I've found the DELL E 510 to be easily upgraded at a good price.

Best Buy has a decent Gateway system.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7740046&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat39100050018&id=1140392808440

The lady said she could do that system, a 21" Gateway Monitor and Office Basic for 1400.00.

I'm considering this route and then just upgrading the video card.

alienware.com has some nice systems. That's one I'm considering.

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StealthMachines
Jun 21, 2006 1:29AM PDT

StealthMachines has great gaming pc's. They don't have the monitor you're talking about, but if you e-mail them they can add any part you like within 24 hours. They're also a smaller company that builds everything by hand, so you know you're dealing with real people. http://www.stealthmachines.com

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i would just stay away from....
Jun 21, 2006 10:55AM PDT

Anything extreamly expensive. I would go with something cheap and "upgrade friendly" for two reasons 1, concore AKA core duo 2 and 2,diretX 10 video cards are coming out so it is hard to jusify anything like a 7950gx2 monster...!

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You're probably right...
Jun 22, 2006 4:59AM PDT

I probably should wait til Vista comes out in 2007 getting a new computer (with the DX 10, all the new processors coming out, etc.) unless a real emergency happens. I just hope Vista is worth the wait!

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Vista?!??
Jun 22, 2006 1:08PM PDT

There's always new stuff coming out, so in that respect it's always better to wait. But then again if you do that you'll always be waiting for the next new thing. Vista will support 64-bit, which is what processors have had for YEARS. As far as DX10, your card will still work on it just fine. So, waiting for Vista isn't going to do much for you at all. I would get a nice motherboard that can upgrade later. The only thing you'll really be missing out on is DDR3, which isn't going to make a huge difference anyways and is expected to be antequated by ddr4 quickly. Get a computer now, enjoy it for a year before vista comes out, then upgrade your graphics so you can stay top of the line. Best of luck!

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(NT) (NT) I am just saying he shouldnt buy a 7950GX2 ext...
Jun 22, 2006 11:46PM PDT
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Hm, Good Hardware sugg's? Good co.'s to customize a comp?
Jun 23, 2006 3:27AM PDT

Well put, about the industry always advancing- Thanks for putting it perspective for me (I tend to overlook that). Well with that said, I have a few more questions..Any recommended Motherboards for upgrading? I want to go with an AMD processor- what's better for gaming tho - Athlon x2 or Athlon FX? I don't really do digital media, graphics, etc. just the gaming (right now Sims2 mainly and something good for these new FPS games, no online stuff). Windows XP Home. Nvidea Graphics card and a SoundBlaster Audigy Sound maybe. Flat screen monitor. Any other hardware suggestions? But, I'm kinda on a budget, too. =(As I said before, I really can't build one myself (I'm gonna take the CNET course, but it doesn't start til Mid July,so I'm gonna have to go someplace online who customizes to what I need.. I'd really rather skip on the CompUSA. I've done some looking around...Any feedback on these companies - CyberpowerPC.com, Ibuypower.com, Alienware.com? Or if anybody has suggestions for trustworthy sites with a good warranty and customer service, please let me know! Thanks so much everyone!
Jeff

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Oops... Tigerdirect.com?
Jun 23, 2006 3:58AM PDT

I also wanted to know if Tigerdirect.com is OK - I've heard mixed reviews on them. Mainly about their rebates and such. Thanks again!
Jeff

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no no no
Jun 23, 2006 9:21AM PDT

Tigerdirect is bad news. I only use them when I'm in trouble and a part is out of stock. If you're going to build it yourself, do yourself a favor and use Newegg. They're not ALWAYS the cheapest, but they are the best. DOA is a nightmare!! Best of luck!

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Does NewEgg HELP you with building a computer?
Jun 23, 2006 9:53AM PDT

I've never built a computer, so I'd def. need some guidance. Does NewEgg have customizable computer sets or anything like that or just the parts?
PS I didn't forget about Stealthmachines- I'm checkin em out!
Jeff

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video to explain computers
Jun 24, 2006 12:43PM PDT

oooh ok. I'm actually working on a video that explains how to build a computer. What would you think of that?

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Sure...
Jun 25, 2006 2:21AM PDT

Couldn't hurt to look at it! =) Learn something new!
Jeff

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you forgot one!
Jun 23, 2006 9:18AM PDT

Like I said before, StealthMachines is the best company I've come across. Don't overlook that one!! Wink

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Wait for Intel's new chips to come out.
Jul 2, 2006 4:03PM PDT

According to some benchmarks, Intel's new chip, Conroe, is supposed to be better than most AMD high end chips, and it is dual core.

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intel is OK
Sep 24, 2006 6:54AM PDT

right now intel is probably winning the battle, but AMD is going to come back way stronger pretty soon..

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Some Buy ing Comments
Sep 25, 2006 6:28AM PDT

Basic things to watch for when buying.

I build, mostly because I then at least know what is there. The OS disk will be complete and the drivers will be the right ones for at least the first time I turn the PC on. Many of the computers I have had to fix using computer companies? restore disks leave me wondering what I have installed. Over the years I have come up with some things to look for when buying/shopping for a main stream PC.

Often my gaming computer of today becomes my workhorse computer 6 months to a year later, so I would buy with that in mind. Look at the next generation operating systems and look at what are the minimum specification to run the newest software that you might be interested in using. Try and find out if the new computer will be up-gradable within your own limits.

It should come with a restore disk system. You need to read carefully to see what is shipped, some companies require you to burn your own restore CDs or charge more for restore disks. Hard drives fail and this restore system is needed if you fail to have a backup system in place that is self installing/bootable (without operating system in place).

The software bundled with the PC should be what you want not OEM (original equipment manufacturer) software that has a poor uninstall track record. I have had to remove OEM anti-virus software at the registry level so watch out for this. I would go with as little as possible installed software and then purchase exactly what you want later. This way when you install after a crash you will have the software on hand and your chance of getting support is more likely if you have a retail copy of the software.

OEM add on cards will work but, watch out, some companies make a point not to support their own OEM products versus their retail products. I once had new drivers to install but because the sound card was OEM the company that built the computer had to supply the drivers. The company that had their name on the card denied me the use of their new driver.

Don?t get fancy OEM optical drives installed. I have found that external USB optical drives are more usable for me because I can move them around and if they don?t work I can take them back to the store without opening the case and voiding the warranty. I have also had OEM optical drives that almost worked, I mean the drive would do just enough that I could not ask for a new one but not as good as I needed.

Keep in mind that specs don't tell all. Check posts of customer's to see if there are problems that you can't work around. Do this by finding the model number of the computer you are interested in and do a search on it. Read the posts that seem to show problem areas. I found complaints about slow remote controls to motherboards being replaced.

The goal of the company selling the computer is to keep cost low and one way they do this is by using small/weak power supplies (and some other components). They select the power supply size by what the power consumption specs of the parts it is sold with use. The computer will usually work until you up garde with a power hungry video card or additional hard drives. This often shows up as failed boot ups, sometimes requiring 3 boots before the computer is stable or artifacts appearing on the screen from nowhere. So keep this in mind when planning to up grade your main stream PC, a new high power video card may require a new bigger power supply.

If the new PC arrives and you don?t like it take it back. I have returned as many as 3 PCs when buying just one. I took one back because it was broken. 2 more because the software I wanted to run would not run, even thou by the specs the software should have run. I went through 2 model upgrades and 2 computer companies before I found what I wanted and that had to be built to order. This was made easer by the computer store I used being next door to where I worked. When returning the PCs I used the supplied restore disks to clean them up.

Given the above comments you can see why the work level is about the same whether built or bought. Buying is just as challenging as building and the perfect PC is just a compromise of what you want and what you can get.