About that CARS program

It reminds me of something. FDR having farmers plow under crops and destroy livestock.

...seem involved in some sort of useless destruction. At least "make work" programs such as building highways and roads, new bridges, etc. have some long term benefit. Read that second link I posted and discover how much we taxpayers spent per car for the program, to learn the true cost of each car sold under it. The more we Feed The Beast, the more it eats.

Destroy food while people are starving !!!!

program" came along during years of over-production, not during the Dust Bowl era. Starvation in the US came about partly as a result of people's understandable reluctance to accept charity, high prices given the poverty of the unemployed and poor distribution of what was available. I don't believe the US ever actually failed to produce enough to feed its population. I'll have to check Wikipedia on timing.

On the other hand the CCC and the WPA, particularly the latter built the road system and the hydro electric system for the United States as well as other things too numerous to mention. They were well conceived programs which put people to work and produced engineering works which helped the US both in WW2 and to prosper afterwards.

Same thing with the Conservation Corps, and those working on those projects were paid very low wages.

Rob

"At the end of World War I, the destructive effects of the war and the surrender burdens enforced on the Central Powers of Europe bankrupted much of Europe, closing major export markets in the United States and beginning a series of events that would lead to the development of agricultural price and income support policies. United States price and income support, known otherwise as agricultural subsidy, grew out of acute farm income and financial crises, which led to widespread political beliefs that the market system was not adequately rewarding farm people for their agricultural commodities.

"Beginning with the 1921 Packers and Stockyards Act and 1922 Capper-Volstead Act, which regulated livestock and protected farmer cooperatives against anti-trust suits, United States agricultural policy began to become more and more comprehensive. In reaction to falling grain prices and the widespread economic turmoil of the Dust Bowl and Great Depression, three bills led the United States into permanent price subsidies for farmers: the 1922 Grain Futures Act, the 1929 Agricultural Marketing Act, and finally the 1933 Agricultural Adjustment Act- the first comprehensive food policy legislation. Out of these bills grew a system of government-controller agricultural commodity prices and government supply control (farmers being paid to leave land unused). Supply control would continue to be used to decrease overproduction, leading to over 50,000,000 acres (200,000 km2) to be set aside during times of low commodity prices (1955-1973, 1984-1995), until the practice was eventually ended by the Federal Agriculture Improvement and Reform Act of 1996."

Note the dates where acreage was reduced. 1955-73 and 1984-1995. It was repealed under Clinton. Only one of the pieces of legislation came in during The New Deal, and it was purely a price support program directed at subsidizing the producers, not ploughing under crops or reducing acreage.

Rob

Sorry but I can't help remembering at least some of what I was taught.

Do you deny that the FDR admistration destroyed food while there were vast amounts of people who did not have enough to eat??

"On the other hand the CCC and the WPA, particularly the latter built the road system and the hydro electric system for the United States as well as other things too numerous to mention. They were well conceived programs which put people to work and produced engineering works which helped the US both in WW2 and to prosper afterwards.

Same thing with the Conservation Corps, and those working on those projects were paid very low wages."

Who cares?? Can you stay on topic?

that the FDR Administration destroyed food during the Depression. I have found only 2 sites indicating that 7 million starved in 1932-1933. Neither is a credible source, they are blogs, one by a white power group, and the other a blog using Soviet Russian research.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=534379&page=4

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=303759

Here's another on the same Soviet research.
http://www.infowars.com/researcher-famine-killed-7-million-in-us-during-great-depression/

As to staying on topic, the post from Wikipedia on the Agricultural Policy of the US very clearly indicates that there was no destruction during the FDR Administration. The only two periods where crops were ploughed under or land was not planted, and both were post 1960, which means that I was right on topic since there is no indication of this sort of thing during the FDR Administration.

Here's a purely anecdotal source which says nobody did:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081108195311AAjhOqj

I can't find any reliable authoritative site that offers a number for the people who died during the Depression of starvation. I'm not saying nobody starved, I am saying that they didn't starve because of FDR's policies. His policies were entirely the other way, supporting starving farmers, and subsidizing workers so they could afford food, and making work to keep men and families going. The last thing FDR's programs of help for the poor and starving would do is to destroy food-stocks for the benefit of whom exactly. Not big business, or Agribusiness which didn't exist then, nor any other group I can think of.

If you have good reliable information from respected sources that starvation occurred and was deliberately the result of FDR's policies, I'd like to see it. I've read pretty much every book on FDR's presidency and there is no sign of this allegation anywhere.

Rob

Yes, Americans, to Russia to get away from FDR and what his policies wrought. Unfortunately for them that was moving from frying pan into the fire once Stalin took power.

The Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1936

What I don't understand is his argument.
It seems that we both agree that FDR did in fact reduce the food supply while people were starving.
Go figure.

Probably didn't have any of those either in revisionist history.

With destroying crops and livestock,I was talking about the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. The aim was explicitly to raise the prices of all farm commodities.

...were already happening in Hoover's day due to farm prices fell so much while farmers had no mortgage relief, that they ended up letting the crops rot in the fields and many walked away from the farm. Reason Roosevelt had them destroy crops was to lessen competition, drive food prices up, and then with less food, people couldn't afford it when it WAS available again, since by then many were out of work. Also Roosevelt gave subsidies to farmers to make it worth harvesting the crop, and he didn't want to give that to ALL farmers, so he deliberately drove many of them off the farm, out of work.