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he was such an honerable man
with men like him how could we go wrong:(
(NT) Thanks for the reminder. It is easy to forget the details.
Once again proof...
that anyone who wants to be a politician should probably be the last person we allow to be a politician.
Both sides of the aisle Ya'll.
Old news, dead news.
The Lewinsky issue had nothing to do with Whitewater. Remember Whitewater? That's what the investigation was supposed to be about. Ken Starr came up with nothing connecting the President to anything and it all should have ended there but for the SP's clear partisan desperation to find something, anything. All that he could find rested on a civil matter between a husband and wife and a politically star-struck girl who couldn't keep her mouth closed.
Why are you posting something this old, and which no liberal contests except for the fact that the issue under investigation should never have been the business of any Special Prosecuter? Trying to lead us away from your President's inability to lead, to speak, to manage, to employ people of character and probity? Looks like it if you're desperate enough to post 3 year old news stories from NewsMax ("News with a Conservative Slant") about 8 year old transgressions already settled. He was censured, get over it.
Well as long as we're posting old news...
Funny thing is
that scandals like this and watergate launched the TV careers of Ollie North and G. Gordon Liddy.
Breaking the law does pay off sometimes !
Al Franken and Ollie North were both....
...invited to appear on "Celebrity Jeopardy" one week, but not on the same day. Al Franken said he was disappointed. He was hoping to get in a few shots like, "May I have 'Lying to Congress' for $100, Alex? Oh wait, that's not a category, sorry."
I guess when you lie under oath for the Right you're a hero.
(NT) When your right, your right ! ;)
(NT) Wasn't North's conviction overturned?
Yes, but not because....
...he didn't lie to Congress. It was overturned because it was ruled that his Congressional testimony prejudiced his ability to get a fair trial, because that testimony was televised. So he beat the rap on a technicality, not on the merits of the case against him. Not exactly a redemption, is it. And yet he remains a hero to the Right. Why?
However, on July 20, 1990, a three-judge appeals panel overturned North's conviction in advance of further proceedings on the grounds that his public testimony may have prejudiced his right to a fair trial.  The Supreme Court declined to review the case, and Judge Gesell dismissed the charges on September 16, 1991, after hearings on the immunity issue, on the motion of the independent counsel.
Essentially, North's convictions were overturned because he had been granted limited immunity for his Congressional testimony, and this testimony was deemed to have influenced witnesses at his trial.
... so he couldn't have gotten a fair trial on any perjury charge, thus any conviction was thus tainted. Not sticking up for North per se, but if you were innocent and convicted of a crime by a prejudiced jury and the verdict was thrown out for that reason, I would think you would feel otherwise about that "technicality".
Sure I would....
....though I'd feel a lot better (and people would look at me a lot differently) if I'd been found Not Guilty by an honest jury.
And if I was guilty and had my conviction overturned on those grounds, I'd be laughing all the way home as I'm sure old Ollie was.
Is it an "honest jury" if they have been prejudiced...
Maybe you misunderstood me
I meant that if I was innocent, I'd feel a lot better being acquitted by an honest jury than being convicted by a prejudiced one and then having the conviction overturned. Either way I'm a free man but one would make me feel vindicated and one wouldn't.
(NT) No, I understood it perfectly
Duck and cover Josh
another example of semantical games being played rather than dealing with the original issue. North got off on a technicality. For some folk the technicality is a full exoneration of the man. To other people it remains what it truly is... just a technicality.
BTW does Reagans diagnosis of Alzheimer's prove he was telling the truth when he said that he didn't recall the events in quesstion in re: to Iran/Contra ?
My guess is that he was in the early stages at the time he testified, and was probably telling the truth at least part of the time. He was also unable to recall basic (non-incriminating) facts like the names of some of his top aides, which bolsters that suspicion.
My point was you assume Ollie guilty ...
... based on your own prejudices as well -- I'm sure his conviction no matter how flawed the trial adds to that. I'm sure he would have preferred to be found not guilty by an honest jury as well. Only an idiot would press for a new trial if a conviction is overturned on appeal and the prosecution doesn't seek one!
Refersal of North's conviction
Since the Oliver North case somehow found its way into this discussion, it may be worthwhile to note that the reason his conviction was reversed was because what he said to Congress could not be used against him later since he demanded that his testimony be insulated from that by a grant of immunity. So he was presumably willing to tell the truth only if that truth could not be used against him. If that testimony was truthful, and someone was prejudiced by it, they would have been prejudiced by the truth. And North was not willing for that to happen.
If your man is under attack, it sometimes helps to divert some of the attention on the attack to try to resurrect past attacks on an enemy of your man. This is especially true if you lack a more rational way of defending your man.
March 2002? Talk about "Old News!!!"
This is supposed to make us forget how Bush promised in his election campaign that he'd do "not what's legal, but what's right." Now it turns out his people sometimes do neither.
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