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If you have knowledge of slave traders...

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SPEAK UP.

Since you don't seem to you might consider that officers of the law are charged with enforcing the law.

If someone was STEALTIN from you, you wouldn't hesitate to expect law enforcement to do something about it.

YOU may believe socialism is great and capitalism isn't but history points out the errors of you line of thought.

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Re: If you have knowledge of slave traders...

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Simple: socialism v capitalism = humans v money.

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Money always wins.

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Re: Simple: socialism v capitalism = humans v money.

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Socialism:
An economic and political system in which private property is abolished and the means of production (i.e., capital and land) are collectively owned and operated by the community as a whole in order to advance the interests of all. In Marxist ideology, socialism is considered an intermediate stage in the inevitable transformation of capitalism into communism. A socialist society is envisioned as being characterized by the dictatorship of the proletariat; the existence of a high degree of cooperation and equality; and the absence of discrimination, poverty, exploitation, and war. With the non-existence of private ownership, the private profit motive is eliminated from economic life. Consequently, market forces do not play a role in organizing the process of production. Instead, large-scale government planning is employed to ensure the harmonious operation of the process of production.

Capitalism:
A socio-economic system characterized by private initiative and the private ownership of factors of production. In such a system individuals have the right to own and use wealth to earn income and to sell and purchase labor for wages. Furthermore, capitalism is predicated on a relative absence of governmental control of the economy. The function of regulating the economy is achieved largely through the operation of market forces, whereby the price mechanism acts as a signalling system which determines the allocation of resources and their uses.

I think Id prefer the latter.

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You're right of course. But Ed ...

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tends to slice things differently. He sees any compassionate act toward humans as socialistic. Happy

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However, Ed, I do acknowledge at least one act of

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compassionate you yourself did. Happy

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You're not right of course.

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and if you read the article cited and the words of the original post you should be able to fit them into what I stated with no difficulty. They fit the definition to a T, expesially if one is aware of the bigger picture of that the article was only a small part of.

Try reading http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/27/technology/27spam.html to see the socialist bent behind the bias of the original article and comment by Dan.

There is a tremendous difference between compassion and condoning the breaking of laws or condoning immoral activies and theft.

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Re: If you have knowledge of slave traders...

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Thanks, Angeline, I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that reply was from out of left field.

Dan

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Re: If you have knowledge of slave traders...

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> Thanks, Angeline, I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that reply was from out of left field.

Uh, that's right field, the world in which reason resides.

DE

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Re: If you have knowledge of slave traders...

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Hi Angeline,

The topic doesn't but the thought and philosophy behind this statement does:

"I guess a few guy's in their parent's basements might be more of a threat to profit, and that's what counts."

This article goes into much more detail of what it is actually all about--the reported incident is just a small part of the oferall picture.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/27/technology/27spam.html

Regarding slave trade, it is a criminal activity that is not much represented within the purview of local law enforcement. The FBI and Justice Department and especially local enforcement agencies are constrained in the countries they can operate in and are charged with enforcing the laws of of the land. If upset about slave trade within their areas of responsibility that they should be investigating one must be aware of such activites and if so should inform them--otherwise such indignation is just so much codswallop.

Your first link is human trafficking which lumps sexual predation, illegal alien enablement and the actual slave trade into one unit with the tiny bit about actual trafficking having nothing to do with US enforcement abilities.

Your second link builds on that lumping together and misrepresents human trafficking as:
"In recent years most government agencies and nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) have used the term "trafficking" to refer to all acts involved in the movement of women and children from one country to another or within national borders for sexual exploitation or forced labor."

It totally ignores the fact that MOST "Human Trafficking" has little to do with either but as "they" say, Sex Sells. They are including women who advertise for American husbands and children who are adopted out of normal channels. These women and children are NOT being bought and sold or forced into anything regardless of any money passing hands through facilitators but lumping them together does provide greater numbers to work with.

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Read it and weep.

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First, you need to understand what...

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all is lumped into the generic "Human Trafficking" euphemism that so clutches at your heartstrings.

Once you have done that you need to acknowledge the need for the lumping in order to generate numbers "worthy of notice".

Next you must admit to yourself that an unknown but significant percentage of these women are in the system and return to it of their own volition.

Again, if you know something about SLAVE TRADERS that local law enforcement agencies can do something about SPEAK UP. If it is within their areas of responsibility they will and should do something about it but it is a far less significant problem than the law breaking you scoff at as insignificant and based on your previous comments have actually been supportive of.

Try thinking with your head rather than your "heart".

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If you squint really really hard...

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and tilt your head a little bit, I guess things don't look so bad in the 'Ed' universe.

Too bad that doesn't work here in the real world.

You trifle with semantics while men, women, and children are treated as property. One person being treated like this is worthy of notice, Ed. It is surpassing sad that you don't think so.

Dan

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Re: If you have knowledge of slave traders...

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"The boys in the basements of their parent's homes" are doing something illegal. Thus punishment is in order. No question there.

In the US those caught committing misdemeanors and felonies are punished under the laws. Some crimes are solved only because of tips and willing witnesses.

Trafficking is a world-wide crime. (Personally, I don't put all "mail order brides" in that category, though a segment is opportunistic.)


It is often easier to catch little fish, like those in the basement of their parent's house, than big ones. It is easier to catch drug dealers than those who supply them. (Forget about the users who demand the stuff.) We all wish that the first offense for DUI, burglary, etc. would mean those crimes would end. We support our law enforcement agencies. We all wish that stopping the little" crimes would stop the big ones. Federal, state and local agencies are strapped by lack of personnel and funding. Folks want low taxes, and taxes are what pays for them.

(60 years ago near my hometown there was a "red light" district that was eventually raided. Many of the "girls" were victims of "white slave trade". The names of the "johns" caught there were published in the paper, which included prominent citizens.) Like illegal drugs, demand for a supply.

Some of the "lesser" crimes , like DUI, lack the law to deal with them. We just had a guy with his 16th. Sure, he had spent time in jail. Sure, his license was taken. But he just took his mother's car, or that of a friend. (There is talk now about changing the law to make them also culpable.)

There are sad situations from hunger in some African countries. Chinese dissidents are imprisoned. Does caring about what happens to people outside of the US imply socialism?

That is what I don't get from your first reply. Surely the traffickers are not considered entrepreneurs rather than criminals.

Angeline
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Slavery is most inefficient compared to Bush-O-Nomics. You'd have to provide healthcare, housing, clothing, sustenance, transportation, child care, retirement, Kleenex and Colgate... I mean set 'em FREE and: "Let them eat cake!" (Plus you'd probably have to pay property tax on them to replace the labor tax.) No, my friends! Let us not worry overly about it. In the end, Holy Hozana*Ramalama*Ding-**** Market Forces will eliminate slavery.

Bob - 'Fair-and-Balanced' - Gr ;

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