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A few questions about processors

May 20, 2014 2:08PM PDT

So i am getting a new computer this weekend. I couldn't find a link for you guys due to it being on my broken computer that i ordered it on that just won't turn on.
But here are the specs i wrote down:

It's a Dell Inspiron 3000
It has a 4th generation 3GHz intel pentium processor i think
Windows home 7
4Gb of RAM
500Gb memory

That's all I have written down/remember sorry if it's not enough. The thing is, I have no clue whatsoever how processors work (other than more GHz = better?)
and I wanted to know how this would run gaming for my kids compared to the i3 or i5. They play I think, World of Warcraft, Minecraft, and MAYBE league of legends.
From what I have read the pentium is horrible and I should just return it once it arrives and order an i3.
Is this right? Thankyou so much in advance!!

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for those games
May 20, 2014 2:14PM PDT

I'd suggest at least an i5 processor. Check the requirements on the game boxes.

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requirements
May 20, 2014 3:16PM PDT

these are minimum:

2 GHz processor
1 GB RAM (Windows Vista and 7 users will want 2 GB of RAM or more)
8 GB available hard disk space
Shader version 2.0 capable video card
Support for DirectX v9.0c or better
Windows XP (Service Pack 2 or 3 ONLY), Windows Vista, or Windows 7

recommended:

3 GHz processor
2 GB of RAM (Windows Vista and 7 users should use 4 GB of RAM or more.)
12 GB available hard disk space
GeForce 8800 or equivalent video card (Dedicated GPU with 512MB+ Video Memory(VRAM))
Support for DirectX v9.0c or better.
Windows XP with the latest service pack installed, Windows Vista with the latest service pack installed, or Windows 7 with The latest update to .NET Framework from Microsoft

would this work? thanks for advice.

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Yes, sounds like you have it covered
May 20, 2014 3:24PM PDT

If it doesn't have a video card, and any onboard video won't pull the load, you might need to install one for the games to use.

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Thanks!
May 20, 2014 3:40PM PDT

So it should run those fine? (excluding video card which i can buy an upgrade for)
Any idea why pentium is marked as bad?

Thankyou by the way for the help and so fast. The speed surprised me.

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Pentium M?
May 20, 2014 3:46PM PDT
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Do not get
May 20, 2014 11:56PM PDT

Do not get a Pentium CPU or even worse, a Celeron CPU. Those are now Intel's budget and "el cheapo" brands.

As James said, at least an i5 if you want the unit to be able to hold up for a year or two with newer games. Make sure it's a Haswell model as well, or 4th Gen as it's sometimes labeled. Some gamers think that the hyperthreading of an i7 makes for poorer game performance. It may exist, but I haven't seen anything to substantiate the claim and the hyperthreading could easily get you an extra year of acceptable performance on non-gaming tasks. Depends on your budget, but for gaming focus on the CPU, RAM and video card. The latter two you can always get after-market for quite a bit less, but make sure the system you get has plenty of upgrade potential for RAM and a good amount of room for a video card.

If we're talking a laptop, even for lower end games like that, I'd strongly recommend rethinking the whole plan. Laptops and gaming is not a good mix.

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I have an i3 laptop at the office (and an i5)
May 21, 2014 12:14AM PDT

And Minecraft has to be set on it's lowest settings to get anywhere close to an acceptable framerate.

It's not the CPU's fault but the graphics area.

Off to benchmarks for the i5 and let's find how that GPU fairs.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-E5440-4668-Notebook.116181.0.html

Ouch. Even on the lowest settings it can't hit 60FPS. Higher settings get you RED results (unplayable.)

More on that new Haswell i5? Sure. Read:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4400.91979.0.html

If you want a laptop game machine it's more like the Lenovo y510p and the 1K mark or if cheap, shop for AMD A10 APU laptops.
Bob

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(NT) Now im confused.
May 21, 2014 4:21AM PDT
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Tell more.
May 21, 2014 4:24AM PDT

I vetted my answer with benchmarks. The i5, while a fine CPU lacks the graphic punch your average gamer would want. Some are just learning this and let's try to avoid learning by emptying your wallet.
Bob

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Confused.
May 21, 2014 4:25AM PDT

Sorry im on mobile at the moment and it posted.

So what im hearing is that i3 and i5 are better than pentium but they are all bad? But the pentium 4th generation specs seem to cover more than enough for the games (2.4GHz recommended but it has 3GHz)
So is it still ok?
And doesnt FPS also have alot to do with the video card not just processor?

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Great CPU but when it comes to games, not good enough.
May 21, 2014 4:35AM PDT

That's why I added links so you can see the score. I even went to the current i5 Haswell to show that while it's one nice CPU the games are still barely acceptable as you see that many are subpar on low settings. Gamers tend to want the medium setting at least.
Bob

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doesnt FPS also have alot to do with the video card not just
May 21, 2014 4:39AM PDT

"doesnt FPS also have alot to do with the video card not just processor?"

TRUE to the point of pain. Read this one where you find out that CPU doesn't increase frame rates.

"Our tests demonstrate fairly little difference between a $225 LGA 1155 Core i5-2500K and a $1000 LGA 2011 Core i7-3960X, even when three-way graphics card configurations are involved. It turns out that memory bandwidth and PCIe throughput don't hold back the performance of existing Sandy Bridge-based machines. "
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-4.html

I see gaming as being in two camps on laptops. The first is Intel plus a GPU, and the second is the economy class (I don't scoff at these) with the AMD A10 APU. We have a Toshiba S855D-S5120 that cost about 400 refurb from Woot.com and games do play very well.
Bob

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So overall?
May 21, 2014 5:21AM PDT

Overall this specific processor (4th generation pentium 3GHz model G3220) should be able to handle these games (minimum and recommended specs above for games), and for better graphics/FPS a better graphics/video card would fix that?

Thankyou for all of your input!

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It seems you want me to agree that this is OK.
May 21, 2014 5:33AM PDT

Sorry but I've yet to find gamers happy with onboard graphics. Since it's a desktop you can add a card later.
Bob

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Bob is talking about
May 21, 2014 11:24AM PDT

Bob is talking about the graphics chip integrated into the CPU, which is enough for basic day to day tasks, but completely useless for any kind of gaming.

So just make sure to budget for a decent video card as well. Check out the nVidia GTX 750 (not the 750Ti) which is a solid lower mid-range card with a MSRP of ~$150, though I've heard it said that you can get it on the likes of NewEgg and Amazon for around the $110 range. Not sure what the League of Legends requirements are, but it should be more than enough for World of Warcraft and Minecraft.

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Just a guess
May 21, 2014 7:23AM PDT
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Love the game benchmarks.
May 21, 2014 7:29AM PDT

Gamers will usually be unhappy with sub-60 frame rates but in a pinch, why not? But you still won't have me pitching this to the gamer crowd as they get very very upset with you when the frame rate dips out.
Bob

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Bucks
May 21, 2014 10:57AM PDT

It can take a bucket load of those things if you want to get serious about gaming.

No idea what machine the op has ordered.
No idea what the budget is.
No idea what features they want to enable or what acceptable frame rates are.
It's not my idea of a gaming rig......but there is that budget thing.
I'm blind.

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At least you are safe from
May 21, 2014 11:05AM PDT

The Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal.

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I apologize
May 21, 2014 2:53PM PDT

Sorry about all of the info i didn't give. I can't seem to find the computer anywhere online, if only my old laptop worked, it had everything on there. The old laptop they used was 7years old and was an asus model. It ran pentium and 4Gbs of RAM as well, without any upgrades to it they got 70-80Fps. This laptop was again, pretty old. So I'm going to assume the desktop im ordering, being that inspiron just released it, will have an even better video card? (it also has more hard drive space than the laptop i had).
Note: the laptop ran on medium settings without shadows if i remember correctly with 70-80Fps.

The budget was around ~700$ as i try not to spoil my kids with an Alienware computer or something of the sort, nor do i have the budget for it.

Acceptable framerates would be anywhere above 40-50? I never got into the games, just watched occasionally and listened to screaming about lag due to my daughter loving netflix. (we then increased internet bandwidth/speed)

Not looking for anything exceptional really. and i remember the Dell website saying it was highly upgradeable/expandable in all ways. So worst comes to worst i buy a new video card?

I remember it looking exactly like this, with most same of everything except for pentium processor rather than i3,i5,etc.

http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/inspiron-3847-desktop/pd

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Not necessarily
May 21, 2014 11:33PM PDT

Not necessarily. An older laptop with discreet graphics might still well beat out a newer system with integrated graphics. One of the things most often left out of integrated graphics is a texture and lighting (T&L) engine of any kind. For gaming, this is often crucial to performance, but it's one of the more expensive things to build into a GPU, which is why integrated graphics often leave it out.

But assuming you want the computer to last, you want a better CPU. So if it were me, I'd consider something more like the following unit and use the slack in your budget to get a 750 card from Amazon or NewEgg to pop in there. Also at some point I'd highly recommend a UPS unit for it. One that does some kind of voltage regulation.

http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-3847-desktop/pd?oc=fdcwrn1359&model_id=inspiron-3847-desktop

While it might seem like a big step up from what you've been using, you have to also remember that software has evolved as well. Plus you'd be amazed at how quickly you'll find ways to use the increase in the raw power of the new computer. Something with a Pentium CPU is like a race horse hit with a mild tranquilizer before it even gets out of the gate. The one I listed above, assuming you take care of it, should last you several years easy.

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Try it
May 22, 2014 2:10AM PDT

If your happy with the perf.......good to go.

If you decide to keep it and upgrade.......be aware.
Assuming the cpu is the g3220.....that's a dual core....not exactly a gamers first pick.
Based on your link your ram is running single channel mode.....not good for perf.
You have a 300w psu which will limit your selection of gpu's....unless you want to change the psu also.

Your call.