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A Canadian viewpoint....

by EdHannigan / September 18, 2008 12:31 AM PDT

Some excerpts (my bolds):

She [Palin] added nothing to the ticket that the Republicans didn't already have sewn up, the white trash vote, the demographic that sullies America's name inside and outside its borders yet has such a curious appeal for the right.

Palin was not a sure choice, not even for the stolidly Republican ladies branch of Citizens for a Tackier America. No, she isn't even female really. She's a type, and she comes in male form too.

It's possible that Republican men, sexual inadequates that they are, really believe that women will vote for a woman just because she's a woman. They're unfamiliar with our true natures. Do they think vaginas call out to each other in the jungle night?

Palin has a toned-down version of the porn actress look favoured by this decade's woman, the overtreated hair, puffy lips and permanently alarmed expression. Bristol has what is known in Britain as the look of the teen mum, the "pramface." Husband Todd looks like a roughneck; Track, heading off to Iraq, appears terrified. They claim to be family obsessed while being studiously terrible at parenting. What normal father would want Levi "I'm a fuckin' redneck" Johnson prodding his daughter?

Such nice people. Good thing there are NO attacks on Plain in the media.

The dirty words are censored here, but they appear in full on the Canadian Broadcasting Company's website.
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Such nice people.
by JP Bill / September 18, 2008 1:48 AM PDT

Such a nice person

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Don't forget...
by EdHannigan / September 18, 2008 2:39 AM PDT
In reply to: Such nice people.

she also has editors and a publisher who continue to employ her. And I am sure, loyal readers who agree with her POV.

But I know many Canadians and am aware that they are not all jerks like her.

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I imagine
by JP Bill / September 18, 2008 2:58 AM PDT
In reply to: Don't forget...
if I wanted to I could link to an American columnist that had the same views as her.

She expressed her opinion, used the "exact same words" that Bristol used on his web account.

There was no hate speech or treason in her column.

So she didn't commit a crime.

CBC posted the comments made by American and Canadians expressing their agreement or disagreement with her opinion.

She used language I wouldn't use.

There ya' go
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I could link to an American columnist...
by EdHannigan / September 18, 2008 3:20 AM PDT
In reply to: I imagine

what would THAT prove? That there are even more jerks around than previously discovered?

There was no hate speech or treason in her column.

I agree there was no treason. Disagree that there was no hate speech.

So she didn't commit a crime.

Didn't say she did, unless it was a crime against decency and reason.

I find it remarkable that you don't find it remarkable.


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I find it remarkable how so many here...
by grimgraphix / September 18, 2008 3:38 AM PDT

... have suddenly become fans of Political Correctness.

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How would you feel...
by J. Vega / September 18, 2008 3:58 AM PDT

How would you feel if a newspaper covering you called you a "hillbilly"? That would be a personal attack on you based on where you happen to live. I would call that out of line. Did you notice that that story also used that term in referring to Palin?
Remember Governor Wise in West Virginia? I liked him a lot and voted for him (a Democrat). What would you have thought if a newspaper or TV story had used that word in a critical article about him, would you have found that objectionable? I think that many West Virginians, no matter what their choice of political party would.

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How would I feel? Well, if you put it that way...
by grimgraphix / September 18, 2008 4:22 AM PDT
In reply to: How would you feel...

... I would still have to say that this is a case of the kettle calling the frying pan black.

There are still puh-ah-ah-lenty of examples of issues where conservative pundits have absolutely lambasted their targets with similar talk... and then complained of the mealy mouthed, overly sensitive whiners who hide behind calls for politically correct behavior.

Look J, there is a rampant double standard that is maintained on this forum every day, where people complain, using calls for civil behavior as justification for their complaints... and then act like utter *** holes when it suits their purpose.

Nowhere and no how on this thread, have I said the woman's comments were correct or socially acceptable to my standards. However, this is just another example of political correctness, where someone claims social niceties should justify condemning these words, solely because it happens to be their sacred cow that has been kicked.

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That's what you call Political Correctness?
by Kiddpeat / September 18, 2008 4:38 AM PDT

I'm not especially surprised although the depths are a bit lower than I imagined. Amazing!

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You're not surprised but you are amazed?
by grimgraphix / September 18, 2008 4:45 AM PDT

How interesting... not.

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RE: that you don't find it remarkable.
by JP Bill / September 18, 2008 3:42 AM PDT

remarkable is like beauty

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thank you for such a profound insight
by jonah jones / September 18, 2008 2:17 AM PDT

into one canadians POV


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It also...
by J. Vega / September 18, 2008 2:47 AM PDT

It also might apply to the POV of the CBC, they published it. Is not the CBC a government, as opposed to private like NBC) operation? Would they allow one of their commentators to use something like the "N-word" when referring to somebody who happened to be black? If not, why allow that phrase when referring to somebody who happens to be white? It's just as offensive to many white people as the "N-word" is to some black people.

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It sounds like you are...
by grimgraphix / September 18, 2008 3:05 AM PDT
In reply to: It also...

... expecting american cultural values from someone living and writing in another country.

Be that as it may, the tagline at the top of the page reads...

Heather Mallick
A Mighty Wind blows through Republican convention

First, the word "Viewpoint" kind of tips me off to the fact that the person is speaking for themselves. The fact that the authors name is right below that kind of reenforces this idea.

Since you were involved in the news business... how would this type of article have been presented in a US news outlet?

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And the fact that it's published by a major news source..
by EdHannigan / September 18, 2008 3:15 AM PDT

What does THAT indicate?

Mr. Vega is correct.

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(NT) mmm, what does it indicate ?
by grimgraphix / September 18, 2008 3:35 AM PDT
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For one thing...
by J. Vega / September 18, 2008 3:43 AM PDT

For one thing, it indicates that the editor withheld his blue pencil and let that term, offensive to many people, fly. Major news sources have editors who check copy before it is put out.

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again, is this from a US cultural point of view?
by grimgraphix / September 18, 2008 3:50 AM PDT
In reply to: For one thing...

I'm not asking this to try and justify anything here. I am asking if, when you give your opinion about this, if the standards you are espousing here, are the same that Canadian writers are expected to follow?

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Are you suggesting that the ordinary level of Canadian
by Kiddpeat / September 18, 2008 5:12 AM PDT

discourse is crude and insulting from an American point of view? That would be interesting. To what do you attribute this?

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RE: from an American point of view?
by JP Bill / September 18, 2008 5:14 AM PDT

You're an American...what's yours

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Well, when in Rome...
by grimgraphix / September 18, 2008 5:23 AM PDT

For instance, when I have hung out in Chicago, and have gone to local pubs... it seemed that every other word from everyone in the establishment was "F this", and "You F-ing that". Sure, it seemed strange to hear a bunch of well paid commodities brokers talking like that, but when in Rome...

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Ok, so Canadians normally talk the way this writer does.
by Kiddpeat / September 18, 2008 5:33 AM PDT
In reply to: Well, when in Rome...

I didn't know. The only contact I normally have with Canadians is here, and one doesn't want to judge a whole country on that basis.

As for Chicago, I cannot answer for the people you choose to hang out with. I can say that I rarely hear such language in public, but there are many joints and activities that have no appeal to me.

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RE: crude
by JP Bill / September 18, 2008 5:28 AM PDT

Remember the "first" person to use "redneck" and the word that begins with "f" was Bristol (when he described himself)

An American

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You know, the term "Red Neck"...
by grimgraphix / September 18, 2008 5:40 AM PDT
In reply to: RE: crude

... originally comes from the early Coal Union movement, when Union members would tie red kerchiefs around the their necks to identify each other in a crowd.

Maybe Bristol was talking about having Union sympathies?

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Here's another "uproar" about redneck in Canada
by JP Bill / September 18, 2008 5:49 AM PDT
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I wonder what he has to say...
by grimgraphix / September 18, 2008 5:52 AM PDT

... about hockey moms?

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about hockey moms?..he loves pit bulls
by JP Bill / September 18, 2008 5:59 AM PDT
The Don of hockey

Don Cherry and his dog, Blue

He always starts his segment on Hockey night with video of Blue barking

I think he would give the Prime Minister a run for his money in an election
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Actually, Grim...
by J. Vega / September 18, 2008 7:53 AM PDT

The Dictionary of American Slang says it became common circa 1893, referring to rustic/country people. In Louisiana, It has been used for a very long time. In the past, usually referring to farmers in the country (red neck because of bring outdoors so much) as opposed to city dwellers who spent a lot of time indoors.

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Bristol is the daughter.
by EdHannigan / September 18, 2008 6:44 AM PDT
In reply to: RE: crude

I think you're talking about her fiance, Levi.

But he's not a "professional journalist" is he? He ddin't write that for the Canadian Broadcasting Company did he?

If I was in charge of that place I'd have fired her *** in two seconds, along with the idiots who let it by. This kind of thing MIGHT be okay in Rolling Stone or some other such rag, but not in any kind of serious publication or website. She's managed to trash not only her own reputation, but that of the Canadian Broadcasting Company. I am surprised they are not suing her. But, of course, she is not the one in charge of what gets published.

The fact that some here find it acceptable or funny merely reflects on them, but their reputations were not exactly sterling to begin with, were they?

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You're correct I was wrong
by JP Bill / September 18, 2008 9:41 AM PDT

levi trig bristol

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I guess to you it indicates that it's perfectly excusable.
by EdHannigan / September 18, 2008 5:01 AM PDT


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