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8th-Grade Boy Stabbed 40 Times

Apr 9, 2004 12:55PM PDT

MIAMI, Florida (AP) -- An eighth-grader found slain in a middle school bathroom was stabbed at least 40 times, and wounds on his hand indicate he may have tried to fend off the attack, the medical examiner's office said.

The victim, described as a good student who liked baseball and played the violin and flute, was found bleeding to death February 3 in a boys' restroom at Southwood Middle School in affluent, suburban Palmetto Bay.

Police say Michael Hernandez, also 14, gave a detailed confession on the day of the killing. As a juvenile charged as an adult, he could be sentenced to life in prison if convicted of first-degree murder. He has pleaded not guilty.

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Re: 8th-Grade Boy Stabbed 40 Times -- no hint as to motive? (NT)
Apr 9, 2004 1:52PM PDT

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I could not find a new article, that wasn't archived, ...
Apr 9, 2004 3:03PM PDT

telling about a motive. I did find an article from the news posted at a forum that is very chilling. I don't think the actual motive is known or was ever clear even to the kid that did it.

Posted at forum

A 14-year-old accused of killing a classmate recorded his violent obsessions, fixations on prayer and detailed plans for self-improvement in a journal made public by prosecutors on Friday.

At the bottom of a printout on mass murderers, Michael Hernandez scrawled this message: "Will become a serial killer."

The journal -- released by the Miami-Dade State Attorney's Office following public records requests -- offers a glimpse into the conflicted mind of an eighth-grader who dwelled on common teenage problems such as acne and homework, but also fixated on cults and murder.

It also might shed light on how a straight-A student allegedly could murder his best friend, then confess to detectives but offer no explanation.

According to police, Hernandez packed a serrated knife and a latex glove in his book bag before heading off to school, where he stabbed 14-year-old Jaime Gough in the boy's bathroom on Feb. 3. Gough bled to death in a bathroom stall.

A grand jury indicted Hernandez on a first-degree murder charge for the slaying. He will be tried as an adult.

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How old do you have to be?
Apr 9, 2004 3:58PM PDT
"He will be tried as an adult." - Rosalie Byrd

While it is a horrible crime, I still wonder the following:

? How old do you have to be to vote?

? How old do you have to be to buy alcoholic beverages?

? How old do you have to be to buy cigarettes?

? How old do you have to be to watch an "R" rated movie?

? How old do you have to be to have sex?

? How old do you have to be to get married without your parents' consent?

? How old do you have to be in order to get a credit card in your own name without your parents' consent?

? How old do you have to be to get your own apartment with the lease in your own name?

? How old do you have to be to be an adult?

AFAIK you cannot do any of these things if you're 14. Apparently you can get tried as an adult though...

You (not you personally Rosalie) may think that if you do a crime like this you are old enough to pay the consequences. But then again, what would a 14 year old person have to do to show that he/she is an adult in order to vote, get married, have sex etc?
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I am of the opinion that we need ...
Apr 9, 2004 11:28PM PDT

... a third criminal justice system for violent youthful offenders. The issue is not whether the individual is legally an "adult" and afforded all the priveleges associated with that legal standing (e.g. voting, driving, drinking, etc.). The issue is whether or not the individual is capable of comprehending the consequences of their actions and/or the right/wrong of it. A 14 year old is more than capable of understanding that stabbing another (repeatedly at that) will likely result in their death. As such he should face the same penalties for the action as if he were 20 or 90. He took a life, the boy who died and his family are not consoled by the fact that it was a "child" who killed him.

However, since the Tate case brought these issues to the forefront (his mother was the one legally making the decision to reject the initial plea but then he was treated as any other adult in court), we do need a special system for these crimes. The old juvie system where the kid goes to a juvie detention facility until age 18 doesn't cut it either.

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And I thought...
Apr 9, 2004 2:21PM PDT

Death Penalty/Life in Prison/Tough laws were still accepted in the USA in order to scare people from committing these kind of atrocities...
Apparently it does little and the reasons are to be found at a whole other level...

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'Tough laws' are not usually applied at the juvenile level. The kids
Apr 10, 2004 10:37AM PDT

know it and act accordingly.

The death penalty is actually quite effective. Those on whom it is used never kill again. I hear concealed carry laws are also quite effective.

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What COULD be done is the main question...
Apr 10, 2004 10:37PM PDT
? The death penalty is actually quite effective. Those on whom it is used never kill again.? ? Kiddpeat

And do you think there ought to be something done in order to prevent these types of crimes? What has been done so far? What could be done? Those are questions way more important than what to do when the crime has been made. It?s too late by then?
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Re:And I thought...
Apr 10, 2004 11:02AM PDT
Death Penalty/Life in Prison/Tough laws were still accepted in the USA in order to scare people from committing these kind of atrocities..

Hardly an effective deterrent when hidden from view. Now public hangings would probably get some of these guys attention...

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What nations...
Apr 10, 2004 4:05PM PDT

What democratic nations do have public hangings as part of their judicial system? And if it is an effective method to combat crime, I assume there is no need for public hangings in those countries that permit it...

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(NT) Time for stricter knife-control laws
Apr 9, 2004 11:02PM PDT

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