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80% of American oppose recent Supreme Court ruling

Feb 17, 2010 6:03PM PST

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Tough!
Feb 17, 2010 8:02PM PST

The ruling has been so completely misrepresented by the media and the WH that few understand it. So, tough luck. It's the law until it's challenged and reversed.

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How was it misrepresented?
Feb 18, 2010 1:36AM PST

It is my understanding that corporations are considered individuals and can contribute unlimited amounts to political campaigns. One thing I am unclear about. Does this mean that individuals (ones with skin) can also contribute an unlimited amount?

Diana

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"my (your) understanding"
Feb 19, 2010 1:15AM PST

What is it about this decision that makes you wonder"... that individuals (ones with skin) can also contribute an unlimited amount?"?

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Granted that it's *NOW* the law, but it runs counter to
Feb 19, 2010 9:28AM PST

a century of rulings including rulings by the Supreme Court itself. That's what offends people, that the Supremes are making new law; they're engaging in Judicial Activism on behalf of Corporations. Where is the precedent for that? "I say it's spinach, and I say the he!! with it." (old New Yorker cartoon)

Rob

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It's always been the law
Feb 19, 2010 5:35PM PST

That's what ruling something constitutional establishes, that it was always the law. Ruling it unconstitutional establishes that it was never law, not in truth.

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It was clearly unconstitutional...
Feb 19, 2010 9:04PM PST

I was amazed that the law stood as long as it did. BTW, it wasn't a century of rulings, more like 60 years of rulings NOT specificaklly on the law that was declared unconsititutional.

And that is NOT what "offends people"; very few even knew about it before the misinformation was put out by the left and few understand it today.

Free speech is free speech. her should not be a problem with that.

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"100 years of precedent"
Feb 19, 2010 9:40PM PST

That was the talking points from the left wing sites.

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RE: precedent
Feb 19, 2010 10:53PM PST

after a first/landmark decision almost all rulings use "precedent".

That's the way the legal system works.

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And I am one of them!
Feb 17, 2010 8:15PM PST

My opinion has nothing to do with a lack of understanding of the issue.

Angeline

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So the fact that Obama flat out lied about it...
Feb 17, 2010 8:18PM PST

in his State of the Union address has no affect on you?

Why, exactly do you oppose it?

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(NT) To answer would be an exercise in futility.
Feb 17, 2010 8:24PM PST
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So you can't? Okay.
Feb 17, 2010 8:29PM PST

I doubt your understanding of the ruling is as good as you claim.

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She didn't say she can't.
Feb 17, 2010 8:52PM PST

She said she wouldn't. That's something else. You jump to your own (unjustified) conclusion.

Kees

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Do I... or do you?
Feb 17, 2010 8:55PM PST

I say she can't. Not an unjustified conclusion at all, IMO.

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I don't.
Feb 17, 2010 9:00PM PST

So if this is an 'exclusive OR' you do?

Kees

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So you say.
Feb 17, 2010 9:03PM PST

I say you are wrong.

Past experience indicates I am probably right.

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(NT) My past experience is exactly the opposite.
Feb 17, 2010 9:45PM PST
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So, in your experience when someone refuses....
Feb 17, 2010 9:57PM PST

to discuss something, that indicates they have a valid point? Hmmm. Very odd "past experience."

In my experience when someone answer in such a snarky way that indicates they are flying by prejudice rather than reason. I find that to be true in general of Angeline's opinions. Usually when someone is a able to defend an opinion, they are willing to do so.

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RE: Past experience indicates I am probably right.
Feb 17, 2010 9:48PM PST

Just ask you?

Another exercise in futility.

Did not, did to, no I didn't, yes you did.

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(NT) As much as 3 times a year? Blimey!
Feb 18, 2010 1:55AM PST
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I had Obama explain it
Feb 17, 2010 9:39PM PST

In my spoof of his state of the union speech. The truth hurt too much it seems. The Onion is OK here in SE, since that's left wing spoofing. Right wing spoofs not allowed.

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the pertinent part
Feb 17, 2010 9:45PM PST

possibly not the part that caused the whole to be removed.

"I don't believe capitalist should bankroll elections in a capitalist society, but rather socialist aligned organizations should be the
only ones allowed to do that. I'm going to try and subvert the Constitution as recently rediscovered by the Supreme Court and
make that my new political aim."

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I figgered it out
Feb 17, 2010 9:53PM PST

The Onion is usually linked to, so right wing spoofs would be OK if also linked to. Based on that understanding, here's a link to a spoof of State of the Union. This way it's not actually in Speakeasy and it's a choice if anyone goes elsewhere to read it.

http://www.glenburniemd.net/StateOfTheUnion2010.doc

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I must apologize
Feb 17, 2010 10:01PM PST
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No, the President did not lie
Feb 18, 2010 6:16AM PST

The President was grossly ignorant of the facts of the decision. It seems the President read about the Supreme Court decision on the same ill informed left wing website as many others did.

Let's just take a wander down "What If" lane. Let's suppose that this court decision did in fact allow foreign corporations the ability to donate unlimited funds to political campaigns. Congress could (if they wanted to) pass legislation within a week to correct that. So it seems that the people that are disparaging the Justices for this decision accept that if this law was not overturned, it criminalized political speech. Very strange thought process,huh?

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If he didn't lie, but was only ignorant..
Feb 18, 2010 7:15AM PST

he's not doing his job. He's supposedly a Constitutional scholar. Doesn't he do ANY research when writing an important speech?

Just how incompetent do you think he is?

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"Just how incompetent do you think he is?"
Feb 18, 2010 7:50AM PST

Multiple choice??

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Are you bothered by ALL Americans having input
Feb 17, 2010 10:09PM PST

...into our political process? Or just the ones who create the economic backbone of this country? This ruling not only will allow the capitalist forces in this country to give aid in political contests, but probably will free up other groups such as non profits and various foundations who have been hamstrung by rules that interfered with their rights to be a part of the political process. Far too long we've had bad laws passed by each side when in power trying to undercut the political financing of their opponents. This ruling is like the sword that cuts all those strings right down the middle and hopefully will stop the useless waste of time and resources spent trying to determine if someone else's speech was enhanced in some manner that was artificially impaired and for which they can then be punished. This ruling basically says "put up or shut up" to both sides of the aisle.

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Doesn't matter if it's 99%
Feb 17, 2010 9:26PM PST

IT'S THE LAW!

might as well get used to it.