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64bit systems

Mar 2, 2010 4:09AM PST

I see where most new systems are 64bit and one is hard pressed to find a 32bit system. I've heard friends complain that there wasn't enough programs running 64bit software. Could the 32bit vs 64bit OS be compared to the old VHS vs BETA and we all know how that turned out.

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Not really the same.
Mar 2, 2010 4:19AM PST

VHS and Betamax were different systems for recording and playing video tapes. They were not compatible with each other. The nearest you could say to operating systems is to compare Windows with Mac OS, or Mac and Linux, and so on. They are all different OSs based on different core instructions.

Windows 32 bit and 64 bit are all based on the same core instruction set, and while there will be some incompatibilities, the basic structure is the same.

But I wouldn't worry too much about any lack of 64 bit hardware or software. Hardware manufacturers and software developers are now clamouring to provide 64 bit versions, and you won't struggle with that nowadays.

I haven't noticed any lack of software with both my 64 bit Vista and Windows 7.

What you may find is that older components, such as printers, scanners, and such things, 'may not work' with 64 bit systems, and if that is the case then we have to move to newer peripherals.

Mark

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Nothing at all like VHS vs Beta
Mar 2, 2010 5:46AM PST

It is really nothing more than the difference there was between 8 bit CP/M and 16 bit DOS/Windows 3.x and 32 bit Windows NT, 2000.

Most of the applications will run on the OS with greater memory access BUT the problems lie with peripheral drivers as a 16 bit driver doesn't work on a 32 bit OS and a 32 bit driver will not work for a 64 bit OS.

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I wonder about some other potential weirdness ...
Mar 2, 2010 7:19AM PST

The 32 bit systems have different capabilities re: memory addressing. Isn't 32 bit Windows 7 limited to 4 GB RAM? That makes me wonder .... If I go above 4 GB RAM with a mixture of 32 bit and 64 bit programs will I have memory assignment problems?

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If you mean
Mar 2, 2010 5:42PM PST

exceeding 4GB on a 64 bit Windows 7 OS, then Windows will manage memory assignment itself.

I think all we can say is that 'generally' applications that were designed for 32 bit systems should work on a 64 bit OS. However, there will be some software that doesn't. For example, my 64 bit Vista PC would not install the DivX video player, and the DivX web site does not show the 64 bit Vista OS as compatible with their software. However, the DivX player will install on a 64 bit Widows 7 system, and the DivX web site confirms their software is compatible with Windows 7 64 bit.

So it is difficult to be sure, but perhaps the software developer's web site will say.

Mark

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A difference but hardly noticed
Mar 2, 2010 9:28AM PST

Beta and VHS, just put that comparison out of your head, it'll only confuse you.

Basically, 32 vs 64 bit is like a 1/2 vs a 1ton p/u truck. In many ways they are the same, but once the necessary guts are measured, you get a lt. wt. vs a hwt. wt. sorta match. Both, quite capable but one can go where the other can't.

For all intends and purposes the 64bit can run 32bit apps but not necessary the other way around. Though, the OSes involved are similar the 64bit is the big brother of the two. While, its true there are few 64bit apps. that too is a weakness as any current 32bit app works quite well within 64bit and most users just don't really NEED IT and overall the next question, "is it working any better"? the best benefit and why 64bit is so welcomed is that memory can bust out of the 32bit contraints and memory being relativity cheap is offered as the package and that alone makes an improvement. But, like always what "Intel giveth, MS taketh away". IMHO, a 64bit is one worth the wait for an/or can be truly counted on, it works stability.

tada -----Willy Happy

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32bit vs 64bit
Mar 2, 2010 10:09AM PST

I was under the impression that 32bit will not run on 64bit systems. I'm in the marked for a new laptop and as I was looking at Dell's website I see that mostly all the new laptops are 64bit systems. I know someone who currently has a 64bit system and they are a bit "peeved" because there are not many apps for that system and he is having problems with it.

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Here MS explains...
Mar 2, 2010 10:23AM PST
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I'm running Wjndws 7 (64bit)
Mar 2, 2010 1:15PM PST

so far all my older (32 bit) programs run fine on it.

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Same here so far, BUT there are occ problems ....
Mar 2, 2010 7:05PM PST

I have not had any major problem finding device drivers, but that might be a problem for some old or unusual hardware.

Palm Desktop (at least the version I use) won't run under Vista 64 bit and Palm has said they haven't really tested it for Win 7. IOW, there is no reason to expect it to work under Win 7 64 bit. I haven't even tried to install it.

If I can't keep my XP Pro desktop up and running until I retire the Palm I'll have to try using XP Mode on Win 7. My understanding is that XP Mode emulates 32 bit Win XP Pro. That should resolve most conflicts.