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2nd wireless router

Mar 22, 2006 9:07AM PST

Okay, this seems to be somewhat of a common question as I have seen while doing some research online. I try to do as much of my own research and learn myself before I have to ask. But the answers I have found, are not exactly the same as what I am wanting to do.
In out "office" we have the DSL modem connected to a Belkin G wireless router. What I want, is to be able to have the PS2 and or Tivo box connected out in the living room. Me being a tight-azz, bought another wireless router (D-link 524) for real cheap as I thought I heard a router can be used as an access point for much less than a true access point or gaming bridge.
So what I want to know, is can the main router broadcast to the second router wirelessly? Thus the second one is just "recieving" the wireless signal and giving me the LAN ports on back of it to use. I have yet to open the D-link, but I did look in menu of Belkin and it can be used as an access opoint as well as a bridge. Could someone lend me a hand? Thank you.

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Just follow the instruction on the manual...
Mar 22, 2006 2:29PM PST

the configuration is most likely in the accesspoint itself..

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Thanks?
Mar 22, 2006 8:06PM PST

I appreciate you taking the time to reply. But if it had been that easy, I would have been done a while ago without asking for help.

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try this
Mar 23, 2006 7:21AM PST

for most routers you will have to hook them up to the modem and computer with a hardline and then there should be a menu in the routers web based setup page that will let you set it up to be a access point. from there you will have to unplug it and then put it where you want it. Plug it in and it should work.

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WDS
Mar 23, 2006 8:11AM PST

WIRED:
Easiest way is to make a wired connection between the 2 routers. Only the router connected to your broadband modem should have its DHCP server enabled.

WIRELESS:
Connnect two wireless routers using a Wirless Distribution System (WDS)

Internet ---- router1 ~ ~ ~ router2 ~-~-~ computers

---- wired
~ ~ ~ wireless
~-~-~ wired and/or wirless

Most routers don't have firmware that can enable a WDS. Some do. Some routers (like many Linksys WRT54G and WRT54GS versions) are able to take 3rd party firmware that can enable a WDS.

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Still not getting it
Mar 23, 2006 8:26AM PST

I appreciate the help and ideas I really do, but this is not what I am talking about. I definately will not be running a cable from router A to router B. I understand that would be the easiest and speediest way, but not an option unfortunately.
The second WDS post was close, but I want this : DSL Modem----Belkin Wireless Router---desktop PC AND >>>>D-Link router (living room)-----PS2 & Tivo. I DO NOT want the D-link front room for wireless DO NOT. I want it for the LAN ports. If it gives off the wireless signal, fine but that is NOT want I will be using it for.
Is this considered bridge or access point? Also in the Belkin manual it says it can do it, but only with another belkin router or access point.

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whatever you want
Mar 23, 2006 8:55AM PST

Whatever you wish to use in the WDS implementation, wired or wireless, is your choice.

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whoops, forgot the modem
Mar 23, 2006 8:47AM PST

Should be:
Internet ---- modem ---- router1 ~ ~ ~ router2 ~-~-~ computers

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okay
Mar 23, 2006 9:03AM PST

I almost didn't see your dashes between the tildes (my keyboard doesn't have those.). So I should be able to do this? From what I have been reading this is a "bridge" correct. I know like I said, the Belkin will do bridge mode, not sure of the d-link, haven't opened it up yet, but it is an el cheapo. But if it does not, I can use it as main router and use belkin as the bridge. I am going to give this a go. I see headache and long night ahead of me. But the only way to learn is to try I guess. Can this be wep encrypted too?

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no guarantee
Mar 23, 2006 10:40AM PST

Except for what is explicitly outlined in the Belkin router manual, there is NO GUARANTEE that this will work.

Encryption possibilities depend on how the two routers interract. Varying levels/types of encryption are allowed depending on the 2 router models and their respective firmware versions. Again, there is NO GUARANTEE that this will work except for what is outlined in their respective manuals.

Try Googling the router models or companies with "WDS". See how others have done this with your models.

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Guess not
Mar 27, 2006 3:26AM PST

The Dlink DI-524 does not support WDS and has no mention of being able to act as a wireless bridge. Guess it won't work with these two. The Belkin has a great manual describing how to do it, but says it will only work with thier own equipment. Fooey! This d-link was only $19 but guess it can't happen.

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good deal
Mar 27, 2006 5:32AM PST

That is a good router for a great price.

You have stumbled onto the reason why wireless tinkerers love the Linksys WRT54G (most versions), WRT54GS (most versions) and the WRT54GL. Since Linksys has public source code for its firmware on these models, third party firmware developers have been able to develop their own feature-filled firmware options (including WDS).

Check this out:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1934591,00.asp

Page 2 of that article shows some firmware options:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1934574,00.asp

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price
Mar 27, 2006 9:36AM PST

Yeah, that sounds great. But I am a tightass abd was hoping to do it at this price. Am I to assume that "Hawking" and "Airlink" are cheap for a reason? Also regarding wireless bridges that are made to be just that, do they have just one ethernet jack? Can a switch be added giving me more ports? I want wired access for Tivo box and PS2. I appreciate all of your help.

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right track
Mar 27, 2006 2:18PM PST

I don't know Hawking and Airlink that well. I have used a few Hawking products--they worked as expected.

You are on the right track with bridges. They can "bridge" the gap between a wireless access point on one part of a network and a remote switch with multiple devices on the other part of a network. Options include a bridge, router as bridge (if supported), WAP as bridge (if supported).

You might benefit from reading a user manual for a bridge like the Linksys WET54G or the offerings from the same companies as your routers.

Another resource:
http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/1563991

As for PS2, I'm not a gamer, so maybe someone out there can jump in with a suggestion.

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Good router?
Mar 28, 2006 9:18AM PST

What makes you say the D-link is a "good' wireless router. My father in law has one and from the get go, I thought it was mereley so-so and the customer support was HORRID when there was a problem. My Belkin seems to offer more along the lines of features. Though I must say, resetting the router and modem every couple of days and waiting for things to sync up is getting old.

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Essentially, it works
Mar 28, 2006 6:53PM PST

In my book, if a router functions as specified and performs close to other routers (no noticeable difference) at its price level, then it is "good." If the user doesn't update the firmware and configure any router properly, then it won't work as specified. Although I do realize that there may be some duds in large production models, I have been able to get this model to work.

If you search these forums for ?DI-524?, you will see that updating the firmware does the trick for some.

http://www.dlink.com/products/support.asp?pid=316&sec=0#firmware

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?
Mar 29, 2006 6:31AM PST

Yeah, it works as a regular router no problem. But it does not support WDS, bridging, or use as an AP. Regardless of the firmware.

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correct - no bridging
Mar 29, 2006 6:50AM PST

You asked why I thought the router is "good." I explained that it functions as specified. Its specifications don't include wireless bridging.

My comment about updating firmware was directed towards your father-in-law's problem with his DI-524 and if you decide to use yours as a wireless router. Sorry for the confusion.

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no prob
Mar 29, 2006 10:38AM PST

No problem, just a minor mix up. His is going good now. In fact, more stable more often than my Belkin. He used to also have to constantly reboot and reset everything, almost daily. Now after getting a knowledgable person on the phone and making some changes his is going strong. What are some possible causes for what I describe? Or should I start a new thread?
Back to the original deal though. So a cheap wireless bridge (the Hawking is just $2Cool with a switch (unknown price) will give me a few ethernet ports in front room. Correct?

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some thoughts
Mar 29, 2006 2:50PM PST

That may work, but sometimes wireless network equipment is picky, and the Hawking bridge may not like making a wireless bridge to a particular wireless router (or WAP). It may only be able to do this with another Hawking product. So check the manual before you purchase. Sometimes it is just trial and error.

THE SWITCH:
You can get a reliable 8-port switch for about US$10 (sometimes less with rebate). Here's one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817130108

...or just use your DI-524 as a 3-port switch.

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Need the second router to act as a bridge or client
Mar 27, 2006 9:39PM PST

Most routers cannot receive via wireless (in fact your Belkin is the first one I have ever heard of that could). What you need for the second device is something that can act as a wireless bridge (or wireless client). You can get a wireless bridge (or access point) and connect it to a switch to connect both the PS2 and the TiVo.

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okay
Mar 28, 2006 9:16AM PST

Yes, this is what I was trying to say. i think. Thanks for the help. Is there any speed (throughput?) lost when bridging? I thought I had heard that several routers, as long as they supported wds, could act as a bridge. Like I said, it is in my manual.