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13,000 new pages of regulations and counting

by TONI H / July 7, 2012 1:31 AM PDT

That's the number of pages that only refers to TWO pages of the actual healthcare law....and it's only the beginning of this huge regulatory mess that is being written by the EXECUTIVE branch APPOINTEES, NOT CONGRESS because the Congressional DEMOCRATS in their infinite wisdom DELEGATED this law's actual regulations to others to write. Good grief.......

These 13,000 pages deal mainly with doctors and nurses and what they are allowed and not allowed to do to service their patients.......so if a woman needs a D&C based on the wisdom of her own doctor, there are rules and regulations that will tell the doctor whether the patient has the 'correct' symptoms that THEY (beaurocrat appointees who are NOT doctors) dictate or the doctor can't do the procedure. Never mind that it's in the best health interest of the patient according to her own physician....and APPOINTEE committee will be deciding that from now on. If the doctor does it anyhow because he feels the patient actually needs it, he has now broken the law and can be fined, tossed in jail, lose his license, any or all of the three. And he can't do it even if the woman has her OWN insurance policy or is willing to pay cash for the procedure.

No more decision making between your doctor and you....exactly the opposite of how Obamacare spun this, and if 13,000 new PAGES of regulations ONLY refers back to TWO actual pages of the law itself, the other 2700 pages of the law will look like a small version of War and Peace by the time it's done because it's also written into the law that ONLY the PRESIDENT and his/her APPOINTEES in the FUTURE are allowed to create or amend new regulations....NOT Congress.


Quoted from one of the posters at this site:
Can they "do it"? Sure, look at the tax code. Will it "work"? No. Now the governors of about half the states are opting out further complicating the process.

Remember what Roberts said- This is our mess created by our choice to vote Democrats and Obama into total control of the government.

Now that nightmare is started to coalesce in the minds of the public. This would have never happened if Supreme Court outright dismissed it. The MSM would only demonize the Court and the bumper sticker mentality of the people who voted in the Democrats would convince them maybe its time to put them back into the majority to try and write it again. Free healthcare for all!

Now, even as bureaucrats do what they do best- justify their own existences- the reality of just how unworkable legally, functionally, and more importantly- Constitutionally, is starting to reign like hammers down on to the people, the voters and Congress.

Which is EXACTLY what Roberts was trying to accomplish by threading the needle.

The chance he takes, we take, is that no matter how bad it looks, the people in this nation have been so dumbed down, so blinded by greed, so willing to be lied to that seeing the horrible truth of Obamatax don't change them. There will be no "epiphany" so to speak.

But then again, is it Roberts' or Alito's or Thomas' job to re-teach us our ability to be good and wary citizens? To understand the limits of government? To realize NOTHING is free?


Over at Hotair, they have an argument that Roberts wrote both opinions and changed from his conservative position to the more liberal one under pressure from the President and Congress.

I'm not so sure. Could it be he made a conscious decision to let the Left hang itself on a well outlined, criticized as garage by our Supreme Court, just to see the beating they and Obama will take all this summer going into an election year?

Yes, people hate him, but for what? Lighting the fuse? Reminding us, painfully, that the voting populace of this nation screwed itself and took the rest of us with them?

What if he did write the dissent, which all of the conservatives have hung their hat on as a reason why Obamatax should have failed. That means Roberts wrote both sides! He didn't change his mind, he judo flipped the Left (I'll bet for bad mouthing the Court).

What he said in essence was "This is a piece of garbage that only a bunch of illiterate morons, who should never be near any seat of power, could write. Here, you can have it back so everybody can see exactly who the morons are by November 2012.

Until I see some proof that he was compromised by extortion or some other means, I'm going to believe he is trying to pull off something huge.

Now if only Romney would fire that idiot of an advisor. This is what Roberts fears- dumbies in position of influence and power.


Quote from a poster there:
"Pass it to see what's in it" doesn't even apply anymore. Now it is "pass it and then re-elect me and we can see what I can put in it."
Oh, it's SO wonderful. So far, I think there are 13,000 THOUSAND pages of regulations and they expect it to be more than 100,000 pages before it's over years from now. Maybe princess Nancy will live long enough to read it all and explain it to us. Here's a start though...
"IRS officials on background tell FOX Business the U.S. Supreme Court ruling on health reform gives the IRS even more powers than previously understood.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business's entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage -- and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family's income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. "We expect even more lien and levy powers," an IRS official says. Even the Taxpayer Advocate is deeply concerned.

The IRS army will inexorably increase in size, too. The IRS will now add new agents to hunt down tax cheats, as it has been budgeted to spend $303.5 million building a new system, erected on the back of its old system, to oversee the effects of the health law, including making sure people get the new tax credits they deserve under the law...."
"The health-reform law exempts all small businesses with fewer than 50 employees from the law's shared responsibility requirement, which begins in 2014. But beginning in 2014, employers with 50 or more employees that do not offer health insurance coverage will pay a fine of $2,000 per full-time worker if any of their employees turn around and get premium tax credits through the new health insurance exchanges.

Even if the small business has 51 workers, and that one worker gets a tax credit to help them buy insurance -- a tax credit provided under health reform -- the small business still has to pay a fine.

And beginning in 2014, the government will slap businesses with a higher, $3,000-per-employee penalty if the government finds they provide workers unaffordable health insurance. And who gets to define unaffordable? The government."

Read more: www.foxbusiness.com

I use Health Savings Account and those take a beating. I can't self insure for much of a medical problem on $2,500.00 a year.

How health care reform changes FSAs, HSAs
Starting Jan. 1, 2013, FSAs will have annual limits of $2,500 per year. Going forward, the limit will rise annually based on the rate of inflation. Still, it likely will remain above the average employee contribution, which was $1,424 in 2009, according to Mercer's National Survey of Employer-Sponsored Health Plans, an annual report on health care benefits.

In addition, FSAs will remain "use-it-or-lose-it" accounts. That is, any unused balance for one year can't be used to fund health care spending in the next year.

New restrictions on how you can spend FSA funds will change more quickly. Starting Jan. 1, 2011, you won't be able to spend FSA dollars on over-the-counter medical supplies that aren't specifically prescribed by a doctor, putting a damper on the annual ritual of FSA holders trying to spend unused funds by stocking up on their favorite over-the-counter medicines.

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I suppose if they passed a law
by JP Bill / July 7, 2012 3:05 AM PDT

that was written on a napkin, someone would find a way to work around it(cheat the system) and the government would have no recourse/penalties in place.

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they should have written this one
by James Denison / July 7, 2012 3:19 AM PDT

on toilet paper.

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Very important laws
by TONI H / July 7, 2012 3:54 AM PDT

in the past were written on less than 10 pages...........they are still in place without having to regulate any of them.

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RE: Remember what Roberts said-
by JP Bill / July 7, 2012 3:12 AM PDT

Remember what Roberts said- This is our mess created by our choice to vote Democrats and Obama into total control of the government.

Roberts used the words mess, Democrat and Obama?

I thought he used more general terms like, .......... you get what you vote for.

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by James Denison / July 7, 2012 3:20 AM PDT

Toni's giving you the translation.

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Yeah,just the person I'd choose to fairly interpret anything
by Ziks511 / July 7, 2012 8:34 PM PDT
In reply to: euphemisms

relating to Democratic policy, a Democratic sponsored law, and Obama.

Fair and balanced, just the way Fox is. But Conservatives have always believed in a level playing field. Laid out on a cliff with them at the top, and everybody else at the bottom.


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Good, at least they've learned their lesson from the bailout
by Ziks511 / July 7, 2012 8:30 PM PDT

and are trying to close the loopholes the way they should have with TARP and the bank bailout. No bonuses paid by taxpayers, and no parties paid by same. They dug the hole, let them stay in it, cover them over and appoint new heads of the Banks and Investment houses, with strict regulation of compensation until all the money is paid back.

And none of this last minute unnecessary spending. Here whether a doctor prescribes it or not, OTC meds come out of your own pocket.


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And this response
by TONI H / July 7, 2012 9:31 PM PDT

relates to Obamacare, how?????

This is the worst piece of legislation in our nation's history with the single-most tax increase also in our nation's history. The entire idea of this piece of crap is to force businesses into dropping everyone's insurance that they already carry and throw the population into government run healthcare. By taking $500B from Medicare in order to help pay for the NEW medical entitlement, it is the DEMS that are getting rid of Medicare, as we know it, NOT the Republicans, Rob. Now....considering how well the Feds have run Medicare and Medicaid, there is no possible way that this garbage isn't going to spin our financial economy out over that cliff that the Dems keep talking about.

When the government can dictate to your insurance company and when it can dictate to a business that carries insurance for its employers exactly what benefits and type of policy it HAS to carry or be fined or jailed for breaking the new law, overreach has taken on a whole new meaning. The Federal Government doesn't seem to understand that 'one plan fits all' is NOT what makes the USA great....it's FREEDOM TO CHOOSE.

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