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$10k Mac hack winner says Vista's code more secure than Macs

by WellActually / May 2, 2007 4:55 PM PDT
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Not much to say on the substance...

... but I love it that the article was conducted through an "email interview".

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Yeah I noticed this too

Never mentioned how he needed some rules 'lifted' just to hack 1 macbook


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H didnt hack the mac
by ellis feigenbaum / May 3, 2007 12:21 PM PDT

he ran an exploit in quicktime which allowed him to gain access to the mac.
However the guys thought on security vista/mac from an IT pro are worth considering.
People consider themselves safer in a non MS computing enviroment and he basically debunks this theory, it would do well for both mac and linux users to listen to what he has to say.
us poor PC users ,who have been anti vurused ,firewalled and scan every executable file before we run it, have basically gotten used to the fact that the internet enviroment has many nasty charactars around along with the mutitude of nice ones.
Assuming you are safe because you run a mac is like leaving your front door open because you have nothing to steal, someone will find something worth taking, even if its just your bandwidth.

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If you're in a low crime area....
by Nicholas Buenk / May 3, 2007 4:57 PM PDT
In reply to: H didnt hack the mac

It won't matter so much if your door is left open.

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Even if that's true...

It's targeted less. Wink

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(NT) I'm going to go out and get a copy of Vista RIGHT NOW
by kwahhn / May 3, 2007 4:02 AM PDT
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I'm not worried...

I'm not worried about vista per...say, it's internet explorer that makes me nervous

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It's only more secure because...

The Drivers the hackers need don't work. The software hangs, and hackers get caught in the half baked Vista just like everone else.

At least Vista keeps running while the hacker application is locked up.

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And that would be his point exactly
by ellis feigenbaum / May 4, 2007 8:19 AM PDT

It doesnt matter what you run, it behoves you to make sure you are protected, by patching and running anti virus , anti malaware and firewall programmes.
People that live in low crime areas are usually the ones that have the most to steal, and when they have a burglary everything gets taken, because its done by proffesionals.

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Too early

It's too early to tell if Vista is going to be more secure than OS X.

If there was an independent code audit of both OSes, and I had to put money on which one was more secure (not which one will end off with more viruses and malware), I'd say Vista.

Microsoft is finally taking security seriously... it's going the wrong way about it in some respects, but at least the programmers are considering what consistutes secure design and making it stable for servers. Apple, however, seems to be counting on the twisted remnants of the underlying Unix security system and OS X's small marketshare, to protect Mac users from harm.

Apple has recently taken 4 months to package and distribute an EXISTING security patch, that fixes a "passwords transmitted in cleartext" bug. Microsoft these days takes at most a month to write and implement a patch from scratch. Apple takes 4 months to merely distribute an existing patch. No wonder few people are running OS X as servers.

When Apple gets hit by its bad security decisions ("hey, let's run it setuid root!") and a wave of viruses hits the Macintosh operating system, Apple will start examining what it's doing and realise that its current efforts aren't up to scratch.

When, not if.

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4 months
by Nicholas Buenk / May 5, 2007 3:01 AM PDT
In reply to: Too early

However Apple has already patched the problem that lead to the guy winning this $10 000 prize, quicktime update this week. That's patching a flaw within 1 week.

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by ellis feigenbaum / May 5, 2007 11:10 AM PDT
In reply to: 4 months

Apple has patched a well publicised problem in a week, it has also left a multitude of unpublicised ones unpatched.

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The moment something is publicised
by Nicholas Buenk / May 5, 2007 2:51 PM PDT
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Is when other hackers will try and figure out how to use the security hole.

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Close but no cigar
by ellis feigenbaum / May 5, 2007 8:15 PM PDT

Proffesional criminal hackers , will find their own security flaw and use it, without telling anyone.
Everyone is dependent on what is in effect an open source system, whereby security proffesionals and laymen worldwide, provide operating systems vendors details ,in private, of various exploits and the o/s providers patch them, hopefully before they become public.
in the end its a numbers game,the bad guys look where its going to be more productive, if they find a unix server vulnerability on a major organisations server , they will use that because that is where the big money is.
In the main part windows users are more prone to getting virus`s from script kiddies, or being phished than they are to a concerted criminal effort to glean my credit card information from a hard drive Basic security steps that should be second nature by now will cover 99.9% of all these eventualities.
However the writer of the max exploit was saying, that both Mac and Linux users should not feel that they have an invicibility cloak, and should both patch and use security measures in order to keep safe.
At the end of the day he is one of the good guys, and just because he managed to get through apple security you should not just dismiss anything he has to say out of hand.

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Windows Fanboys

im sure windows fanboys are all over this, and look they are. Windows fanboys are just ppl that never tried a mac, or never tried it long enough. Nothing worse than a windows fanboy

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This is just the kind of stuff the M$ fanboys do to bait the Mac fanboys.

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