Why we're so excited about Red's $1,200 phoneFull-size camera lenses? A holographic screen? Two CNET editors say "Yes, please"
[MUSIC] Hey, folks. Have you heard about this red holographic phone, one that's gonna cost $1200 to $1600? I'm Shawn [UNKNOWN] with C-Net, and I'm here with my pal Patrick Holland, fellow camera and phone lover, to talk about it, to give you an idea of what's going on here. We think It's going to be something special, partially because it's a crazy phone the likes we've never seen before at a really high price. And partially because it's a modular phone. And modular phones with interchangeable parts are an idea we haven't seen work out very well yet, so. First up, we want to talk about who the heck Red is because you may have heard of this [UNKNOWN] but you probably don't know Red is as a company. Patrick, if you want to tell us a little bit about Red, you've got some background with [UNKNOWN] stand. Yeah, I've actually. So Red is a camera maker, mostly they make cinema cameras to make films and movies, I think they were founded in like the mid 2000's 2007 I believe was the first actual release of a camera. And what was neat about it, it was meant to be a modular system that shot at the time 4K video, which at that time was a very big deal, and Because of that, a lot of filmmakers would use this, and it quickly got adopted into Hollywood, like with Peter Jackson- This was part of the big transition to digital. Exactly. Filmmakers were all about film, and RED was one of the companies that comes along and says, hey Let's do this digital, and they made these crazy tank-like big black behemoth cameras, with all these modular parts. So they had kind of a head start on this whole modular thing. Yeah. The box of it almost looked like a grenade case or something. It was just big and metal and durable. And because of that, it was able to capture these beautiful images, that Would compete with the likes of, at the time film. And since then we've seen them be used on Marvel films, The Hobbit and stuff like that, TV shows. Almost anything digital is filmed on Rex now. Technically, all of these big-budget TV shows you see on Netflix for instance, House of Cards Daredevil and a bunch of these Marvel series. They're all filmed on these RED cameras. Even though if you've never seen one of these cameras, you've probably seen what's come out of them. And it's beautiful, like David Fincher's one of the biggest people on that. Hence the House of Cards tie-in and stuff like that. Now just to be clear, there are other amazing digital cinema cameras, like the ARRI ALEXA and stuff like that that have dome out since, but RED was kind of the first. And it's interesting because The quality of not only the image out of it, but also the quality of the actual camera product. It's big, it's bulky, it's meant to be used, it's meant to be used on location and in studies. It can be adapted to be running gun, where you're putting it on a shoulder kind of like a news camera style, and it can also be adapted to have These amazing cinema lenses on it with displays and monitors out to directors. We were talking before the podcast here that you could actually tie two of these together like Peter Jackson did to shoot in 3D, which he did on The Hobbit. Yes. Peter Jackson used these for the Hobbit series But you're not here to hear about cameras, necessarily. You're here to hear about a crazy new phone. This is called the Red Hydrogen. It's a phone that's going to be made out of titanium or aluminum alloy, and it'll cost as much as $1600. That's just the pre-order price. For this phone. I don't know if we've got a picture of that we can throw up on the screen. And this thing here- [LAUGH] This is the only picture they gave you in order to make a purchasing decision on that. They had this teaser announcement. They said, hey we've got a phone. It's gonna be this much. It's gonna be made out of these metals. And it's gonna have a crazy screen the likes of which you've never seen before. Wouldn't you like to buy it? Here, go ahead and buy it right now. And that was all we had to go on until we started digging into some patent filings, until we started looking a little bit deeper into what the company had said. And the weird thing about RED is, for RED lovers, that was enough for many of them, because this is a company that does this all the time. They say they're gonna do something really crazy with a product and a lot of people don't believe them. They're like okay how the heck are you gonna build this crazy camera sensor out of nowhere and stick it in a body and sell it to us in this modular package. But they've done it time and again. So when this phone came out a lot of the red lovers said okay I'm gonna go for that. The rest of us are back here scratching our heads thinking wow, you know, what is this company on about, they've never made a phone. What are they doing here, and what the heck is a holographic display? As I say, like, yeah, they are not an electronics company, so to speak, like you wouldn't think of them like a Samsung or an Apple, where they're creating lots of different consumer products. In fact, you might argue that the Red camera is not a consumer product. So to have something like that high end, that specific, say, we're gonna make a phone! You're like That's crazy but that's also why it's appealing is because it just seems so out there. And there's been a lot of hype because of that where if this thing is the holographic thing like Star Wars like Princess Leia thing or is it more like a Nintendo 3DS style, what exactly is that There's a lot of questions about that. There's questions about the modularity. In that promo photo you can probably see there's a bunch of brass or gold pins at the bottom. Yeah. Which kind of hint at something that you could attach onto, which we'll talk about in detail later. So I dug into a lot of these questions for CNet's story all about this modular phone, about this holographic phone. And the first thing I found out which is super interesting is this technology This four view holographic video that they want to display on this phone, actually isn't something crazy or new, it's something that scientists and researches have been trying to do for a long time. Basically, it's kinda like stereo 3D where a screen gives you two different views, it's kinda like a glasses free version of that, where you don't need special cinema glasses or anything to see that. There's a technology in the screen to direct some of the light To one eye that's different from what goes to the other eye, so you get kind of a 3D view. But instead of two views, they've got four views in here, something called multiscopic 3D. So you don't just need to stay in one place and see, this image just pops out of the screen a little bit. You can actually look around, to the left, to the right, and look around an object. This is not magic. This is not something that Red invented. This. This is something researchers have been trying to build for a while, and they just didn't have the screen technology necessary to show this off in a device that people would actually wanna buy. So, maybe this is one of those. But that's not all that this price is about. This crazy price is about what we found in the patent filings It's going to be a phone where you have interchangeable lenses. And I'm not talking about a tiny little phone lens on the back of your phone like I've got on this Samsung here or anything like that. I'm talking about big honking camera lenses. Hooking up to this kind of bayonet mount that you have traditionally in DSLR's We found a patent for a miniature version of that that could fit on a phone. And then when a certain YouTube star, Marcus Brownway, got to look at the phone today, a little bit earlier this week. Actually he posted a video this morning. We saw that that's something they're actually integrating into the phone. They're going to the have actual camera lenses you can hook on to this thing. Yeah, basically it kinda turns it, actually the module is kind of it looks like it does two things where it gives you a sensor. Cuz remember, the actual sensor inside cell phone cameras are small. So, it has a sensor but it also adds, the circular area is gonna add the place where you could Put on a different lens mount, so I can interchange lens mounts, which is a whole other crazy [CROSSTALK] And this is where Patrick and I [LAUGH] Patrick and I started getting super excited. Cuz we're super into photography, both of us. And we've both talked about this in the past, that phones They just don't physically have what you need to take amazing, amazing photos that you get with a [UNKNOWN]. Sure they take great photos, don't get me wrong. You can get amazing photos on a phone. But certain things you can't do. You can't do aperture control, where you get different depths of field and allow different amounts of lights into the sensor, based on mechanical blades. There's no room for those mechanical blades in a phone right now. There's no room for a big zoom lens. Other phones have had to get around that, like the iPhone 7+, by having two cameras in the phone, one that's kind of already zoomed in, and one that's not. And then they kind of interpolate the distance between them to kind of give you what looks like a zoom, but isn't really. You can't zoom very far with this, so all of a sudden you add actual lenses onto a phone, we're in a whole different ballgame. Well, and I think it's something that should be said is, I don't think this particular phone's trying to appeal to The exact person that an iPhone or some of these other dual camera phones that have that telephone photo zoom. Or I don't even think it's trying to compete with something like the moto products, that you can add on the [INAUDIBLE] camera package or And whatever the 3D, the 360 cameras. Yeah, Moto Z phones, we've seen the Moto Z. It was one of the modular phones that said, hey, we're gonna let you add all kinds of accessories to the back of the phone, they just snap right in, they magnetically snap on they've got little what they call POGO pens which are spring loaded copper connectors that just snap onto the back of the phone and immediately make the electrical contact. Then we have another phone like that called essential. The founder of android, a man named Andy Ruben founded android. He did the sidekick before that, has a company called essential Where they're going to clip on modular products to, you can see on the screen in a sec there's a 360 degree camera Patrick's talking about that can click on to the back of the phone the same way. Hm, yeah. This is something where traditionally You're not gonna want to carry something with that big and bulbous in your pocket. Your not going to want to carry a giant camera lens in your pocket like a dslr. But once you are talking about a modular phone where this is something optional where you can snap it on when you need it, you can take it off when you don't, all of the sudden there is room for those kinds of products to exist. That's what I think at least. But I think for me as someone who does video and cinema I can't tell you how many people would love to use their smartphones, especially one that can use 4K, or you get an app that allows you to report high bit rate on your smartphone, and that's pretty cool but you're still limited to the actual optics Enter the phones there. And now you're able to attach something on. As someone who has used some reds too, I'm hoping it's not with the allen wrench screws. [LAUGH] Like you have to do with a camera. Because that would be insane. But who knows, maybe that's a thing too. Well, I mean that's what we We did see in patents. There is a patent diagram I found, which actually shows the Allan Wrench screws going into several components of this phone. And maybe also, if that is the case, all jokes aside, that also kind of tells you where it's aimed for too. I think if I'm able to turn a nice camera, a nice high end phone into a cinema camera, I'm competing with something like the black magic pocket cinema camera. I'm competing With image quality and controls I can get on some, it may be 2 or $3,000 dollar cinema cameras that I'm not going to get on a phone even if I add on like a mozias housable head camera. This is not going to compete The only thing to think about is this isnt necessary for an audience who buys a phone and expects to add all kinds of modular camera accessories to it. It's also for camera people Who want to add modular phone pieces onto it. Because every couple of years, we get faster processors in our phones. We get faster WiFi, and 3G, and Bluetooth, and all these components that you only find in cellphones. Screens, touch screens. The touch screen on my phone is so much more advanced than the touch screen on my camera. Here, I've got a Canon T4i Which is one of the first Canon cameras to add an articulating touch screen on the back. This thing is no where near the resolution, no where near the touch. Everything about this touch screen is inferior to the one on my new Galaxy. It's almost sort of an afterthought. And what's interesting too I think going back to the Hydrogen one as well is the fact that The cameras themselves, the other thing besides shooting really great image quality with a Red camera was that you can after a couple years, hey, there's new processors. They call it a brain module. I can pay to have my camera upgraded to the newest processor and that. This is with Red cinema cameras. Red cinema cameras. They've been doing this for years and years. And the reason I bring that up is I'm wondering also if that's gonna be a case where if I buy this 1,200, $1,600 phone If there should be modules that are able to upgrade stuff like that image for the cinema. And it looks like there might be. We found some patent images, and you'll see them on the screen in a second, where we saw them piece together multiple giant pieces of a phone. So you'd have your one phone piece with these special ridges on it so you can grip it well, and then you stick these other pieces on there. And one of them could be a battery attachment. One of them can be Inputs and outputs you can hook it up to a monitor. And one of them can be a stabilization module where you can have image stabilization for the entire unit. And then the one on the end is an actual entire camera sensor and lens assembly so you can stick those interchangeable lenses on there. So not just the lenses are interchangeable, the camera sensor could be As well. So in a year or two, maybe you put an 8k sensor on there instead of a 4k sensor or whatever it is. On a smart phone On a smart phone [LAUGH] I mean there are still smart phones that ship with a 720 HD video, so that would be able to shoot 8k videos on a smart phone is insane. Another thing with red is their images on the cameras are raw images. So when you take a photo like with your Canon there You can either get in jpegs which most phones shoot in a jpeg where the camera or the phone is processing that image for you. Or you can get a raw image where it allows you to control some of the settings after the fact more in depth. When the red cameras came out and we were able to shoot raw video and you're able to like get those colors and those like highlights that are blown out. [CROSSTALK] A lot of cool post-processing to do with raw. It makes me wonder like, what I'm going to be able to do with that Hydrogen One. And also the name, Hydrogen One. I don't know if you're familiar. [LAUGH] All joking aside, there's a chip set for the red camera called the Helium. And I'm wondering if this is at all like something tied to that, or if that ships gonna be in that module that we saw, or in that add on. For all we know they take the same sensor from the cinema cameras and they put it in the phone. In the future. That would be, I mean, this is mind blowing. Now, is my dad or brother gonna buy this thing? Definitely, not. That's the question, so I think that because Red has such a history with modular cameras and because their audience is small enough and they don't need to like go out of their way to blow away the everyday consumer, they can afford to be successful with a niche modular phone product. but where a lot of other companies have just given up. Like, for instance, I went to see the Google Project Ara guys a while back and they were trying to build this modular phone for everybody. And they were talking about it could be only $300 for the frame and then you can add on these extra components and you can change out your processor every year. And then they had to pull back their ambitions a little bit. And they said well, you know People kind of want to have the best of everything that goes into a phone every couple of years. We'll just make it a few additional modules like a camera, like a special you could have a pollution alert if you live somewhere where there's a lot of pollution, a little sensor in there that monitors the Carbon monoxide levels, or something like that, just limited module things, and even that was too much for them. They got folks in there, they had executives there who said, no, we need to build a mass market product, and they shuttered the whole project. And now a bunch of those Project R folks, they're working for Facebook now, possibly on a phone Bunch of hires there around modularity. So maybe Facebook is doing something there. But we've seen some of these high profile failures around modularity. Google, LG, Moto, even Moto who's building a whole line of Moto Z phones around this with their Moto Mods initiative. They don't seem to have a lot of stuff going on there. Is this the company that can make it work on a miniature scale, on a niche scale and then, could they take that expertise and go a little further? Is there room in the market, for This expensive for everyday consumers. Honestly, I think there is, I mean, I think the failures of those other phones is it was like kind of modulary for modulary sake, like, it feels like, Hey, yeah, we made this road And there could be this kind of car that goes down this trek but we haven't figured out exactly who's going to use this road. There's no cars on the road yet. There's no cars on the road. I think what's red saying is hey, we're gonna make this path, and it's specifically gonna be for something similar that we've already done in our camera line, which is a modular approach. Different, albeit, but at least in the same vein. In the patents I've looked at, Red's patents for the modular phone The patent is three-quarters their original patents for modular cameras showing that they've had such a history here. But yeah, this question of high price for a phone is gonna come up not just once this year, because there's also the Galaxy Note. Eight coming up. There is the iPhone, the latest iPhone, it looks like there's gonna be a high end iPhone that might cost $1200 compared to the normal iPhones where you get in there for like 650 on the ground. This one could be 1000, 1100. $1200 for an iPhone. So this question of Is there room for a high end phone? I think we're going to get it asked several more times this year. Where I think Red has an interesting advantage, I think modularity actually, has an interesting advantage, is that people can buy the pars they want. They can kind of make this investment in the future, cuz they're going to add additional parts down the road, and they can And it can open up parts that just wouldn't be available in phone previously. Previously, you have to justify a really mass market phone. You have to have a kind of one size fits all part. Your camera, your modem, your processor. It has to go in Millions, hundreds and millions of phones in order to be a legitimate business. Which is why Nvidia, companies like Nvidia dropped out of the mobile chip game. They said, hey, we can't get our tech or processors in phones. We don't have Have the economies, the upscale that a company does Qualcomm does to get it there. We don't have the deals in place like Qualcomm does, so we just can't make it add all. Cuz we can't make the deal with film manufacturers. But if you had a modular processor, And Nvidia could sell it on its website. Nvidia could sell it like a graphics card, like they sell graphics cards right now. Anybody could buy that thing and stick it into their phone. They don't need to have all these middlemen in the way. They don't need to have all these OEMs built into the smart phones. In order to build that processor, that same goes for the camera companies they wanna build a new camera, of course it doesn't need to be red building the lenses like going this camera, the sensors or the adaptors that could be another company, could be another company building those modules. So I mean, I think if, the smartphone market is a whole lot, do you think there is room on the high end, and whether it's something A very specific and modular like this hydrogen [UNKNOWN] to be or something like a high-end iPhone or a high-end Samsung phone, I think there's definitely room for that stuff and I also think I'm the bottom of the market which we cover a lot to with budget phones, the lower and it's getting so much better that it's kind of, you raising all ships by rising the tides raises all ships. Yeah, yeah, yeah. By having that bottom-end have such premium Feature sets on some of these budget phones. I think that also lifts it, and also it allows people to go, wow what else can I get? So you have tiers of things like you do in other markets. That's right. There's a spectrum now. A spectrum. Previously, it was very much You want a new phone, you're gonna pay $650 for a good one or you're gonna pay less for a crappy one. And now it's you can pay $200 for a good phone. You could pay 70 in some cases for a good enough phone, and then your 650 is a better phone and your 850 is an even better phone. And maybe there's room in that market for a $1200, $1300, $1600 phone for those who See the use cases for cinema and photography. Yeah, and I think going back to the Apple rumors and stuff like that, currently just in the phones they have, you have the seven and then seven plus, and there are big differences. Not only in the size of the phone, but in the functionality of what it can do. And you are paying a premium to have that functionality. And I think it's an interesting kind of You're dipping the toe in the water for Apple. Well, man, what if we did something better with this as a player? What if we did these things? They've already said, you want a better camera? Pay a little bit more, you get our bigger phone with a better camera. Doesn't necessarily need to be the bigger phone, maybe it's just better and better camera. That is one of the top things readers ask for, they say, absolutely. Which phone has the best camera? And we look at Samsung, too. I mean, maybe there's gonna be this other Note phone coming out. And that usually is, they're premium, their top of the line thing is usually a lot more expensive. So I think for Red to compete, it does something very specific, kind of think it almost like a sandbox. And they're going to To have this little corner over there that no one really occupies, and I think if they're able to pull this off, we, I'm going to back to that holographic screen for a second- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I think that's the other question here. We talked a lot about the camera size, the modularity, the price, but I think that screen is curious because to be able to actually pull that technology off on a phone That could be really impressive and that does put them in their own corner of the sandbox where I don't know anyone else is doing something like that. But when nobody understands, including the existing RED customers, is how they're going to shoot that content, how they're gonna film four-view content. I mean there's ways to do it right now, but is RED gonna have a way to do it? So it sounds like there could possibly be a need for a camera or something that captured content like that. And I'm not trying to be a smart **** here. Thanks, I try. But I do think that there is a possibility that this opens up a new wave of capturing things, whether it's for that specific kinda content. I don't know how ARVR would work on If you recorded off such a device or if you'd have a special module for something like that. >Yeah >Or how else could you play with stuff like Android or Google Tango. I mean, there is so many questions. [CROSSTALK] Technology that hasn't gotten off the ground yet, Google Tango has this. All these sensors, these dual cameras, and this time of flight sensor. All these crazy things that they put together so you can see. You can kind of measure the real world around you and turn it all into augmented reality. They haven't been able to sell still a lot of phone manufacturers on that, but what if that was a modular product you just stick on the back of this phone. All the sudden you've got a place for that to go a place for a platform that people can try the latest and greatest technologies for smartphones. So here's the thing a thing that Scott Stein brought up earlier in one of our meetings. He was saying but Red in these other companies Do you really want to get locked into their ecosystem because there aren't any standards for modularity right now? If you buy this RED phone or if you buy that RED modular camera, whatever it is, do you have to only buy RED products to attach to them? Do you have to only buy Read approved modular products to attach them. Do you want to get locked into that eco system? It's so tricky because my mind goes immediately to Apple and thinking of something like the Lightening Connector. Right? Where that was suppose to be something that was maybe possibly widely adapted but is not only proprietary but, to have products plug into that, that is made by a third party they have to go through. Basically a certification process. Part of me thinks to launch this successfully I think it's okay in a way to have it be proprietary. Cuz that's been their success on the camera side. Yeah I mean they do lock you into their Solid state drive cartridges. Their battery adapters. All this other kind of stuff. You can use third-party batteries with the Red camera, but you have to buy Red's adapter to put the batteries in. That gets into the other part. It would be great to have a standard for modularity. There's two big names that could lead that which would be Google or Apple in the sense that they would have to tie in also the functionality of The operating system, and so whether that is like, Hey, we have, it's gotta be the 12 pens and you can often felt to have that, and it interconnects with all these different products that's been certified by Google or whoever that board would be, and that would be cool but I just don't know if there's a demand for that kind of It's going to be a USB kind of thing, where all these companies are working together on a standard to evolve it over the years too. I mean, Scott was saying that it could even be wireless. Maybe that's the kind of standard we need is something where we don't have to have all these little copper contacts in between them. They can use 60 gigahertz frequencies or something else that's short range and very fast in the wireless realm to transfer the power, to transfer the data, to do all that kind of stuff. The one advantage to proprietary right now is it's got a heck of a lot of bandwidth possible. You can do whatever you want through your own custom backbone in a modular system. Compared to you've got these specific limitations for USB, for ThunderBolt, for Lightning, for all these other different port schemes that are out there right now. But on the flip side, if you want something like a battery in your phone, you can buy a USB battery today and plug it into just about any phone with a micro USB port and it works. Can even add a little adapter for lighting. Whereas, if you buy a red battery pack for a red phone or a Motorola Moto Z mod for the Moto phone, It's gonna be obsolete if you ever have to get rid of that problem. Absolutely. The thing to also consider too, you're talking about being able to transfer content. If you're shooting 4K 6K, even 8K. I don't know. Who knows what the things gonna shoot. And I'm shooting at a high bit rate, a really big fat file that's gonna need a lot of information, I need something that's gonna be faster than that. And wireless is definitely not there, even on a high end Treasure that amount of data. Yeah. A raw. Yeah I need a connection that's like a hardware connection, it's gonna transfer that data quickly. But I do think Scott's right I think over time that's gotta be the way it works and isn't a central phone how it works atop wireless USB. Yeah essential is using a wireless transfer protocol. From what I understand the copper contacts from there For power into sink the thing but not necessarily for the data transfer. The data was supposedly wireless there. So that's something to look forward too maybe. I wanna leave this on one last interesting note about his phone. One of the unique things about this phone that we haven't seen before And that red has several patents on, one patent and two patent applications in process, the ridges on the side of this phone. This phone has big metal ridges on each end. We'll have those on screen in a second with those nice, blown up image of those ridges. It is scalloped to such a degree. And it's got those tiny little ridges in there too to help you grip this thing and Patrick had an interesting observation about where those ridges might have come from too. Yeah, I mean obviously we're seeing someone's hand hold it and you can see why your fingers might fit when you hold those. Especially if you have bigger hands, like me. I could see that being a very comfortable thing. But also again coming back to the nerd cinema guy. [LAUGH] A lot of like prime lens especially if you're using, I have old Nikon or Voightlander lenses. A lot of those lenses, the focus ring on them has scalloped edges sometimes. Which when I first saw that it's like looks like a side of a lens You're reaction was like, really? And then I sent you all these pictures of lenses and you're like, yeah that makes sense. My lens here only has just the basic ridges on it. It doesn't have the big scalloped ones like you'll see on some of these Voigtlander and older Primes especially. Yeah, mostly Primes, but I think what's neat about that is there's a nod to not only the way, when you look at that phone, if you were to show A picture of a red camera next, just the box even the brain of it. Next to that phone you can definitely see everything from like, the little red jewel in the middle on the logo. It looks like heat sink. I don't know if that's practical or just for design. I thought I heard in his video that There might be carbon fiber on the body which is kind of crazy too, to let the wi-fi and cellular signals. Yeah, yeah. So it's using some of the same design cues and materials that- When you've got an all metal phone you need to have some kind of antenna break, somewhere fo the wireless signals to get out. Exactly. And the other thing we always get questioned, not only on a smart phone Is camera but durability. You know like, if this thing is made out of titanium and carbon fiber, I'm gonna feel pretty good about if it drops. Yeah. Or I don't know how the screen would react. If you're not aware, people who are listening, titanium is Crazy strong. Very strong. You ever go to an REI or something? They'll sometimes sell cups made of titanium for backpackers, and other instruments made for backpackers, cuz backpackers need to have very, very light backpacks. They need to take as little weight with them as possible so they can carry you know days and days worth of food and clothing and things like that. They are so strong. Go ahead and try to bend one of those. Take one and try to squeeze one of them. Parts of the space shuttle was made out of titanium. It's like a light. It's one of the lightest metals that has that rigidity and strength that you need fly people to space. I definitely want to try it someday. If I have space shuttle technology in my hand. Shooting a video, I'd feel really good about that. Yeah sounds great. Did I say space shuttle, I should say, yeah that'd be weird. Well I mean a little bit of alloy came from you, a lot of aircrafts use aluminum alloys, we're not gonna throw alumium under the bus. If we do that we put Velcro on it and drink some Tang and we're like all NASA. We're gonna do our NASA cinema documentary with our red hydrogen one camera and the modular AK whatever it's going to be. Yes, I will gladly accept an offer from [UNKNOWN] to do that. [LAUGH] I would do that in a heart beat, man. [LAUGH] I would totally do that in a heart beat. All right. Thanks so much for chatting about this, it's supper exciting. I'm supper excited. And we can't wait to get our hands on one when it actually is ready to go. All right guys, well thank for watching and you can check out our full article about the hydrogen including those patent drawings at cnet.com [MUSIC]