The CraveCast crew debates joining Elon Musk's million on Mars, Ep. 28The SpaceX founder wants to build a Martian metropolis in our lifetime. Is the plan historic or just hubris? We discuss.
[MUSIC] All right. And welcome to the Crave Cast. Are we live? I think we must be live. We are live. All right, the first [INAUDIBLE] I am Eric [INAUDIBLE] and joining me [INAUDIBLE] in San Francisco today, so [INAUDIBLE] And howdy. We've really got one topic to discuss. That's because today is gonna go down in history as the day that is just that. A historic, or a day that would be forgotten and had a ridiculous presentation. I'm talking of course about Elon Musk, founder of SpaceX, who today in Guadalajara, Mexico, at the International Astronautical Conference Laid out over the course of an hour his entire vision for not just sending a mission to Mars, not sending a rover to Mars, [NOISE] just- [LAUGH] [UNKNOWN] Mars But he laid out an entire vision for a building a city of a million people on Mars and doing it within about 100 years. [MUSIC] Yeah, they covered it in a live blog here that you can check out. The whole thing is just insanely audacious. [LAUGH] You think? [LAUGH] He came out. The very first thing that he said was today I hope to show that not only that we can get to Mars, but that maybe you can go to bars. As in you, as in anybody. And the whole thing is kind of A little off the wall. And I've been spending the last couple hours trying to decide whether or not he's delusional or a visionary. And I don't really know. [LAUGH] I feel like if you're gonna say, this can happen in 100 years, then I can say that because I'm not gonna be accountable cuz I'm not gonna be here in 100 years. So I think we should have unicorn farms And 100 years. I was wondering, I mean he brought us the hyper loop. We don't have the hyper loop. What is he saying now to make [CROSSTALK]? We have the hyper loop. We do? Yeah, yeah, there's working prototypes in there. I haven't been on the hyper loop. [CROSSTALK] running one. So we, we don't have the hyper loop [LAUGH] I think there's a half mile of test track of a hyper-loop is what we've got going on so far, and- I don't think that's the same as playing it. Yeah. I feel like this is the Simpson's monorail episode all over again. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Yeah, that's kind of my impression too. I mean Before I was working writing about Science and Technology. I sent the first half of my career covering a lot of politics and covering a lot of environment and all issues so that's kind of a field of journalism that tends to breathe a lot more citizen than optimism. So there's part of me that gets really excited about the idea this guy is actually talking about starting to send people to Mars, like within about a decade and then a million there within a 100 years and laying out concrete steps for how to do that. But, then, there's the other political reporter side of me that's like, you know As a species, we have a really hard time pulling off the Olympics every few years. [LAUGH] So, I don't know, it's just so audacious. But he's talking about getting going. Over the course of the next decade, starting to actually send space ships to Mars within about 5 years and then maybe by 10 years we start to send people. And I do have to give him credit. He did say that the first trips to Mars are going to be really dangerous and there's a pretty good chance people will die. So, no there is some realism [CROSSTALK] Sign me up. [LAUGH] Yeah, the only thing I kept thinking was bring potato plants, bring potato plants, bring potato plants. Save the feces. Yeah, I don't know, I want to be positive about this, because I think space travel is important to us as a race. Just As human beings we should be thinking outside of our normal goals as a culture and through technology and everything. And it's great to see his optimism. I just think promising something like this, with a time frame of 100 years, is kind of silly cuz none of us are gonna be around in 100 years to go, hey, wait a minute. Remember when that guy said a 100 years ago that we'd be on Mars and we're still trying to figure out how to rebuild New Orleans? [LAUGH] Right, and by the way, that's like the long range. The actual time frame he gave Was a million people in a self sustaining city on Mars between about forty and a hundred years. So in his mind this is possible by like the 2050s which is like even more insane to me. I mean we sent like what, maybe a dozen people to the Moon? That's as far as we've gone and we haven't gone back in 40, 50 years. And is he planning that self sustaining city as well or is he just focusing on the transportation? I think he's focusing on getting, there was definitely no urban planning in his one hour. I think he envisions getting it going That SpaceX is going to provide the transportation infrastructure to get there and that investors are going to take over and start to build the propellent plants on Mars and start to build the infrastructure and that capitals will basically take over at some point. that's the impression you get. Yeah so the propellant station, that's like the biggest thing I felt. Like they have to make their own propellant on Mars and also refueling in space as opposed to just launching a giant ship that's gonna fly straight to Mars. Like I felt that was one of the biggest, most important parts of it. Did you feel that same way too, Eric? Yeah, yeah and that's kinda their specialty, right? It's kinda the logistics, that's what SpaceX has been doing is trying to make space travel and space exploration, more efficient. That's why it's been a big deal that they've been doing the reusable rockets. The Falcon 9's that go up and deliver something to the space station and then they come and land back down so they can be reconditioned and refueled, so. They showed that animation today of how it would work, which is basically that you've got these ships that are going back and forth. They get launched from Earth once, and then they kind of seem to travel back and forth from orbit to orbit so you basically have these refueling stops that'll happen in orbit. You've got the spaceship with people on it And that's another crazy thing. The spaceship would carry up to 100 people? That's huge. A plane, it's huge. Yeah. And they had photos of the huge carbon fiber capsules and they're just, they're small buildings that'll carry 100 people, and then he said eventually 200 people. But yeah, so you have these spaceships that get refueled in orbit. And then you have rockets that are basically carrying the fuel back and forth from the surface of the Earth to orbit or from the surface of Mars to orbit. And then you just kind of taxing back and forth through space in these ships, like that's kind of the plan. And then as if that weren't enough at the very end he's like and I think we can probably set up gas stations, filling stations. Maybe on Europa or on Pluto. We could go all over the solar station. As if going to Mars with a million people wasn't enough. I mean it's just, it's just kinda bonkers but then you know there's just that part that it seems easy to dismiss. But this is a guy that has Achieved pretty insane things already. He's not a person easily to be dismissed and, you know, obviously the Wright Brothers were dismissed at first as well as were any number of visionaries. I don't know if I'm betting on him but if I were to bet on anyone to do it it might be him. Yeah, for sure. What do you think is driving him to bring it up right now? That's a good question. Yeah what does he know that we don't know. That's [LAUGH] actually is there a giant asteroid coming towards us and he's the only one that knows it? Like I don't know. I love visionaries but sometimes I have to agree with Kelsey like what drives them at this certain point in time to make all this happen. I mean he's always been like a Silicon Valley you know green technologist right. He's always been animated by clean energy and he's obviously concerned about climate change and about sustainability. I mean These three companies right now are solar city, solar powered company. Tesla, which is electric cars and SpaceX, which is kind of the furthest one that had ideas which is we're probably not gonna be able to create a fully sustainable earth so, eventually we're going to have to move off of it. So I mean, I think this is what he's actually been working towards for fifteen years and this is just the next step in the process. Yeah, during the keynote, he also mentioned he was concerned about his replacement, if he was to die. He wants [CROSSTALK] He wants someone who wasn't so hungry for profits and stuff or more like changing the world and making more energy efficient travel and stuff. I thought that was really cool. I was like, that's very interesting that he would say something like that, you know. Yeah, I think the guy totally sincere that he was about turning his billions into more billions. There are more You know, when he's basically almost lost everything a couple of times in the process of getting to this point. Here's one of his rockets landing recently. I don't know, I feel like he should just pull a bladerunner and make a replicate of himself, and then he wouldn't have to worry. So when he dies, he can still be there [LAUGH] I think we should all do that. Sorry, I guess it was a Blade Runner spoiler for someone, but, you know. [LAUGH] I don't know, I just love visionaries that want to get us to space. I just wish we had more visionaries to fix us down here. Because we have a lot of problems that need fixing on Earth that it would be nice if we didn't just give up on Earth and go to another planet and **** that planet up. It would be kind of awesome if we had more visionaries down here that were like well here's how we save the oceans, here's how we stop climate change, here's how we keep each other from killing each other. I don't know, there's just so many So many problems down here I wish we could fix before we just go well Earth's a crap zone. Let's just go to Mars. [LAUGH] Elon Musk in particular is the one guy you have to give credit for trying to do both. I mean, he's a solar power guy. He's got a solar power company. So he is kind of trying to work it fro both ends. I just think he's probably a little bit over optimistic and there's other problems. You know, cuz the first thing. There's a couple of things, Steven. I sent you a link to a post that I ran actually last year, when we were talking about Mars One, which is another Less likely effort to get to Mars. And so, we first proposed back in February about all the ways that you could die on Mars. [LAUGH] It's really disturbing. It's not easy to survive on Mars [INAUDIBLE] [BLANK_AUDIO] Those problems. Yeah. By the way, I want someone to make a short film out of all the ways to die. I think that would be great if someone made a film, so if anybody's listening that's a film maker, if you could make a short film out of Eric's article, out of all the different ways to die on Mars, I would back that Kickstarter. I might try to tackle that. That'd be fun for [CROSSTALK] I think it'd be hilarious. [LAUGH] I mean, like the radiation alone. I was at a space conference, and it was basically a conference of all the companies that are interested in doing business in space, except SpaceX, they were like the only one that wasn't there. And it was kind of a more realistic view. And there was a guy who literally spent decades as one of NASA's chief doctors. And he's like, you know, the amount of radiation on Mars. You can't be walking around. Even in a space suit, that's not gonna protect you. You would have to be in a bunker under amount six feet of soil to protect you from the radiation. You're not going to be able to do a lot of work. So there's like entirely new, you know, technologies to like have efficient radiation shielding. And it's like, it's funny that the idea is to become a multi-planetary species because I don't know the Earth, there might be an Apocalypse, the Earth might not be around forever, climate change, whatever you're concerned about. Cuz it's like Okay, but Mars wants to kill you. [LAUGH] So does Earth, you can argue the same thing about Earth. Well that's the thing, I don't Earth wants to kill us. Just Australia alone [LAUGH] Earth is like, if you don't leave me alone, I might have to kill you. It's kind of like a hesitant mob [CROSSTALK]. It's almost like your house is on fire. So do you stay in the house that's on fire? Or do you run next door where you know a serial killer lives? You run next door. Yeah yeah, exactly. Or to the melting down nuclear plant. Yeah. Earth doesn't kill us. But it might have to. Mars really wants to kill us. [LAUGH] And there's other problems too when you get into it. In advance of this press conference I started reaching out to some people that know a lot more than we do about this. In fact I talked to a professor Joanne and I'm gonna mess this up [INAUDIBLE], I think. And she is the Editor-in-Chief [INAUDIBLE] of Journal of Space Law. Get ready, this is gonna be exciting. [LAUGH] So there's this concept of planetary protection, which is kind of like the environmental version of the prime directive, okay? The prime directive is like don't harm You know, civilizations or don't I'm sorry I'm talking about Star Trek, sorry. You're not nerdy enough to get that. But you know in Star TRek, you're basically not supposed to interfere in civilizations that are less developed, and so there's an idea called planetary protection that is kind of the same idea like, if we're gonna go to Mars we have to do it in a responsible way Where we won't disturb what might already be there. We're not even supposed to really mess with any microbes that are there. That's why went they sent the Rover to Mars it had to be totally sanitary and it was like a big deal the Rover might have been contaminated with molecules of methane. [UNKNOWN] terraforming plan or am I getting ahead of what you're saying? Yeah, no, that's where I'm going. So, like, you know, Musk can talk about doing things like nuking Mars to get- [LAUGH]. Heat it up. Get an atmosphere going. So, you know, we have what professor Duvernawitz told me was you know, she referenced the outer space treaty. That, basically States the party must avoid harmful contamination and also adverse changes in the environment, resulting from the introduction of extraterrestrial matter on earth, and that would also apply to other planets, the way I understand it. I love how precious we are about that stuff, cuz it's like, you know we're just humans, and we only have one planet, and we're putting all this Rules on other planets, we don't own those planets, there's just planets and we have enough space junk in space that if we really cared about these things we wouldn't just dump everything into space like we have been for how many decades now? So the fact that we have some sort of, it's kind of like Miss Universe. Like, it's not really Ms. Universe. It's just this planet. So why are we acting like we own the solar system. Like, we don't have any other species to be accountable for yet. There's no other. [LAUGH] There is no aliens out there going, ugh, those humans are at it again. Not as far as we know. As far as we know, we could do whatever we want at this point until someone brings down the hammer. All right, we're dead. Kelsey thinks that I am jinxing it and that the aliens are going to uprise. I'm sure all of them are watching this right now. So anyway, I I am curious about the terraforming. I don't Kelsi, you looked like you wanted to say something about terraforming, so.>> No, it's just, when he's done.>> They had a vide, they had the video they showed at the presentation today, it ends with, they zoom out and you see Mars and Mars spins around and it morphs from being dead red Mars that we know to a Mars with an atmosphere and an ocean and it's green and blue and red. And so it's like OK so that is does that mean it's serious about the terraforming stuff No he basically wants to turn Mars into Miami Well during the keynote, Heaves said that this is possible to do, that we can warm up Mars. He said there's plenty of water there. He made it sound like it's a no brainer, like we can do this. [LAUGH] Don't worry about it. I mean that's what scientists have been talking about for a long time, is heating up and getting the You know melting all the ice under the ground and creating a new atmosphere on Mars. So plenty of people think that's possible so. Yeah I mean I've watched enough of alien films to know how well that turns out when someone goes yeah don't worry about it. No problem. We could do that. We just need to find the little alien. Hand thingy in total recall. Yeah. Put a hand on that. I think Scyfy has worked us to the point now that we expect all these things so when [UNKNOWN] say that I kept thinking of every Scyfy that's done this already. Yeah, even just watching the video reminded me of in Star Trek 2 where they are showing the proposal video for the Genesis torpedo I know we are so warped. The thing that I want to know about The whole, you know getting to Mars thing and having people colonize it. What the hell are people gonna do on the what, two years ride to Mars, I mean, Yeah, Well, just like a>> A lot of nasty things, That's another thing he talked about was to have to be fun, We have to have>>. A restaurant. It's gonna be Loveboat in space basically. Yeah, totally. But yeah, he just talked about that. I'm only going if Charles is going. It's gonna be like a cruise ship, there's going to be partying, there's going to be shuffleboard, all kinds of fun stuff. Just for luck, why don't they name it the Titanic. Titanic II. That might jinx it. So, it sounds like you guys wouldn't want to go then? I would totally go. I'm not going on the first crew. Are you kidding? I don't know. I would almost kind of want to rather go on the first one than the second one cuz you figure the first one they'll be like super cautious. After they get it right The first time, they're like, "**** it, we know how to do this," and then people start getting a little lazy. I don't know. I feel like they're going to treat it like a prison colony first, so they're going to send out expendables first. [LAUGH] That could be. So, like, the movie Expendables. [LAUGH] They should just send everyone that was in The Expendables 3. That would be awesome. Put Dolph Lundgren on there. My God. What a great movie would that be? The Expendables in Space. So, it would be Expendables 4. [INAUDIBLE] all the actors from The Expendables, who are clearly expendable, and throw in the Suicide Squad just for good measure. Yeah. Cuz I would wanna spend two years with Jared Leto in space. [LAUGH] So I hesitate to repeat this cuz it's so mean spirited, but during the Q&A session today- My God. Somebody got a hold of a mic from Funny or Die, And. Yeah. And, said, you know, we've actually calculated who the most expendable person on earth is. [LAUGH]. And, it;s Michael Sera. Ahh. Like I said, mean spirited. But Elon was not amused. Michael.>> That's terrible. Well, he is kind of. Well, no.>> [LAUGH] Jeff, weren't you saying that there was a lot about this question- My God. That seemed a little- Next time they do this they really net to vet the questions because some of that was I mean, I am no paragon of being smooth or anything but I was [UNKNOWN]. Was it like ComicCon Q and A? Somebody asked if she could come up and give us a kiss. Did someone want a hug? No, she wanted a kiss. Gosh. There is a lot of four letter words being dropped, and questions about Martian toilets. I mean, but what's a good question. I just don't think It was presented as scientifically as it could have been. It did paint and abundant picture. So yeah, no, I agree with what you said, Bonnie, about that I think Sci-Fi has kind of warped us, I guess, to the point where we have billionaires that are really pursuing this with their fortune. But I feel like, talking to scientists who work in planetary science, I have to assume that I talked to some before the speech but not after, I have to assume that some of them are freaking out right now because most of them are concerned about even like sending like astronauts, like half a dozen astronauts in space suits, that that could contaminate this place that they still want to explore for science I actually, I got a quote here. This is from Peter Dorhan who is a professor at Louisiana State University. And he says, the big issue with all missions to Mars is we don't wanna create a situation where we are impacting future light detection science. We don't wanna discover Earth life that was transported there on the space craft. This is pretty straight-forward with robots, but with humans it's a huge challenge. Picture humans like the Pig-pen character in the Peanuts cartoons, walking around shedding microbes everywhere we go. Spacesuits as we know them do not take care of the problem. So you know, You've got a scientist here who's worried about the space suits we have going. And we're talking about nuking the place and building a city of a million people. Well, that's why you have a difference between NASA, who are scientists, versus SpaceX which has scientists but also has more of that human businessmen entertainment value. So NASA would never make those kinds of promises but then SpaceX wants to make those kinds of promises cuz they want to get people to say that they need the funding, blah, blah, blah. My problem was we're so warped as a species. When it comes to space because of sci fi. We have these really incredible expectations. We have the same expectations with robotics, we have the same kind of expectations with just regular travel It's hard. It's kind of like Law and Order and The Good Wife has ruined jury duty for me. [LAUGH] Because I expect, when I go to jury duty. It wasn't ruined already? I mean, it's pretty boring to begin with, but if you binge Law and Order and then go to jury duty. I guarantee you're gonna be like, why aren't they saying something quippy? Like where are the bond mods? Where is the duh-duh. [LAUGH] Where's the duh-duh? Yeah. Where's the speeches? Even if he was to kill a mockingbird, that's better than jury duty. So, when you go to jury duty, it's boring, a lot of the lawyers aren't very articulate, none of them look like actors, half the jury is on their phones secretly, It's not the same thing. So in space I feel like we have these Star Trek, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Red Dwarf, take your pick of whatever your idea of what space should be and we're not there yet and we're taking too long, and it costs too much, and we're talking too many, almost, I would feel like as scientists we're kind of We're being too careful, and I feel like Space-X is kind of like the, eh let's just nuke it and terraform it. [LAUGH] You know what I mean? It's not careful planning to me. that doesn't feel like it's very systematic or scientific, it's kind of like well in 100 years we're gonna do all this great stuff and we're gonna be on this other planet And I love his sense of adventure and excitement. But I just the skeptic in me, is just wondering if any of these is really plausible. Because again, we have lose stipulation of we don't wanna **** up the planet by doing all these things, thinking that it's gonna help us get there faster but it may Mess up future endeavors, so I don't know. It'd be interesting to see what happened if we did infect Mars with Earth life. I mean, what would you get? Yeah. I almost think it's like something you can't stop. It's just nature, like comets fly over and they They drop DNA or whatever on this planet and all kinds of moon rocks or whatever. Mm-hm. It's just something we can't avoid so why worry about it so much? Like, would we end up getting a lot of really tall people. [LAUGH] After? Well, no, cuz there's less. Yeah. Less gravity on Mars. So, eventually, unless they have a way to counter that. Mm-hm. So I can actually answer that question. Good. This is from the same conference I went to last year. This is from a guy named Al Globus. That's a great name. A NASA guy forever and now he's big into settlement. He's the guy who thinks we should have orbiting cities, like the Taurus ,you know? Like that's his thing, he's not too big on Mars. So he pointed out that, this is a quote from him, we know absolutely for sure that kids would grow up weak on Mars and they would probably never be able to visit Earth. So if you actually raised a family on Mars, You're stuck there because of the difference in gravity. If you took your Martian-raised human back to earth, the gravity would probably break their spine. My god, I'm just thinking of the best spec script I'm gonna write for CW now. [LAUGH] I was just thinking Elton John was right. Mars ain't the kind of place to raise a kid. Is that really what he said? Yeah. He's our visionary. In Rocketman, I mean, I can't look it up right now, but I'm pretty sure that's right. I like how we're already thinking about bullying possibilities. [LAUGH] These poor kids from Mars, about how they're never gonna make the football team because they're too fragile. Well if you're on Mars though, Elon was talking about this. It would be fun you could lift heavy cars and like other things. Jump really high in the air. So he said it'll be kinda fun. So maybe sports on Mars would be awesome, like it will be amazing. I like how he's selling it with Superman abilities. [LAUGH] I know. Cuz there's only 38, what was it, 38% gravity, compared to earth. Something like that. That so we ate, we would weigh 38 pounds. If you're 100 pounds on earth you way 38 pounds there. [CROSSTALK] I just wonder if it would end up kind of like Blade Runner in the sense that Earth would be where all the poor people end up cu they can't afford the off world colonies. And so it's gonna be all replicants and really good Chinese food because that's what was in Blade Runner. And really awesome bars any synthetic snakes and strippers- And neon. A Neon and Harrison Ford. And then everybody else gets to be in the off world colonies. It's gonna be interesting cuz if this does happen, just the possibilities of what that means for culture, for society, for the gap between the halves and the halve nots. And who gets stuck here and who gets to go to Mars. So, I mean obviously that's not gonna happen in the next 100 years. That's Probably 500 years situation, unless we just get blown up for like some sort intergalactic highway. [LAUGH] I still think, I'm a big proponent of all the Sci-Fi out there, I do think Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is the closest to whats going to happen. Is we're going to be in the way of some sort of construction project of some other aliens and they're going to be like just blow up Earth, its in the way. And that's the end. So Elon better hurry up. I had an insight today watching the presentation on kind of why Elon's style is what it is. He's the only guy doing this space stuff, but doing it with the pizzaz and promoting every landing, even when they Don't work. Things crash and blow up. It's like all completely transparent and he's all about marketing and exposure and attention. When nobody else in the space community, even NASA's not as good as he is at that. And they're pretty good. And it's because this is his vision. And this is something he actually thinks is gonna happen in his lifetime. He's gonna have to build enough support around it, enough enthusiasm around it to number one have the amount of investment he's gonna need to change laws to make this possible. To probably change treaties to make this possible. There has to be a ground swell of public support for this idea like you had with the space race maybe. Based on what we've seen of Space-X And kind of the enthusiasm over the last five years since Curiosity landed. Do you think that's possible? Is there enough public support to, let's pretend that he's right and it's possible. Do you think people would get behind it? [LAUGH] Crickets. I mean sure, that's happened with Mars before Ya I think people get behind it but again Im wondering if people get behind it because we're so warped and we want the sci-fi to become real. Sci-real instead of Sci-fi that we would do this or I dont know like, I mean its hard to get this country, let alone the world to agree on one thing. So Like you said you know treaties would have to be figured out. I mean I don't know the international space station has it figured out. It's not too political I would assume. So maybe there is a way to do this. And there's ongoing interest in all of this. Yeah. What's this [UNKNOWN] he has in mind? Like what's the next step here. So, if I recall [UNKNOWN] he was talking about starting to launch the Dragon landers, which are the landers that SpaceX had. They could land apparently on any surface that's water or solid in the solar system. So, if we're sending a couple of those unmanned to Mars Over the next 5 years, and then sending people and then starting to build the infrastructure exclusively Yeah And that all starts like,according to him, within about 10 years. > Yeah he also talked a lot about mass producing rocket boosters. So now they're able to make. I think it was three hundred rocket boosters in one year, which is pretty phenomenal, you know. That's almost one a day. That's pretty incredible. So he's talking about mass producing these, getting the cost down of all this and making a very Efficient spacecraft. When I was watching this whole thing, I kept coming back to Interstellar. Yeah. Like I learned everything [LAUGH] I learned like everything you're saying from watching, what's his name? What's the actor's name of that movie? Martin Short? No, Matthew McConaughey I'm thinking [UNKNOWN] That movie is great, too. That's even better to think about. I just kept going to Interstellar and I kept going to Martian and I'm like efficiency, yeah that makes sense. They're building these rocket boosters. They're going to be building these ships. He said the models that we saw in all these videos that they've been showing where actual CAD Models of these ships. So, I mean, they're well on their way towards making this a reality. And then, you know, this whole event was like a giant pitch for funding, basically. And he talked also about like, even if you guys don't give me some money I'm gonna be putting my own money into this. You know, I'm on mask, I'm amassing a large amount of money to make this happen. So I'm gonna do it with or without you, so. I though that was very interesting, and very ballsy.>> All he needs is like, maybe a handful, or 100 other really excentric billionaires to help him. Like create some sort of Justice League of rich billionaires into space, and we can probably get there. Totally. I mean once the system was set up to get people back and forth to the point that you could actually survive there, you know he was talking about it would cost about 200,000 dollars in today's dollars for somebody to move to Mars And if that, if you get to that scale where that's possible there's probably a million people. Yeah. In the developed world that would move to Mars for $200,000. That's still cheaper than San Fransisco. [LAUGH] Big time. If you got a house once you got there. Yeah. Exactly. But those numbers Where are those numbers coming from. You could just [UNKNOWN] form that it's on air.>>I think that by his projection of what is hoping it. That's kind of a number you hope sets to be in the future.>>Right.>>Using solar power and the farming of Potatoes. [LAUGH] The fuel farming or whatever they gonna do like electrolysis on Mars to separate water from You know, separate the chemicals and the water to build fuel also. So weird. I would throw down though. It is kind of like a why. Like, the only. It's just like, I guess, climbing Mount Everest. Like, there is no reason to do it, except to do it. Why would anyone actually do this except to do it? There is no. I mean, yah, rising sea levels. Like maybe don't live on South Beach in Miami, but like everywhere else is still okay. No it's not. [LAUGH] It's totally not. I just read an article for CNet on Bill Nye's His prediction of climate change and what's going to happen in the next 70 to 100 years. And we could look at all of our coastal towns being underwater in that timeline. So, if climate change is happening the way it's happening whether or not you believe If we did it, or it's Mother Nature doing it, it's happening, so the Earth is changing, and there's a lot of cities that are gonna be under water. And there's a lot fo land that's gonna be under water, and there's a lot of countries that are gonna be under water. So, this is something that people are definitely looking at and worried about. And instead of putting a stop to it, if we can even put, we may not be able to stop climate change anyways. If that's the case, that's why these types of people, like Elon Musk, saying well, if the earth is going to implode on itself, or if we're going to destroy earth, here's another option. And I think people are actually starting to look at this seriously. And I know I was kind of macing it in a sci-fi fan kind of way, but I want him to succeed. Like, I don't not want this guy to succeed, I don't feel like, he's insane enough that it might actually work, and it might actually happen. I doubt I'm going to be around to see it. But I hope it happens, because we need to have some sort of plan, because Earth isn't going to be the way we Have it now, forever. And so, we either need to figure out, okay, how are we going to survive on this planet once mother nature takes over and decides to get rid of us. Or, where can we go. And I like the idea space cities. Like not necessarily being on a planet, but kind of like. You know? I guess if we're going to use the sci-fi analogy like cloud city on Star Wars. Just don't have Landau in charge of it. But [CROSSTALK]. Yeah, and I thought that's where we were going with international space stations with, okay, is it possible to live for many years on a space station, and how big can we build these space stations? And can we do Growing crops and all that stuff, and have a city within a space station. So to me that's where I thought we were going, not necessarily planet colonization, but I could be wrong. There's a guy, an astronomer, his name is John S. Lewis. I wanna say he was at Arizona or Arizona State, but if you Google him he's had a pretty amazing career. and I saw him give a talk once where his whole thing was we should be spreading throughout the solar system as far as we can just because because we're just like this infant civilization. We're just like these People on this one rock. Imagine we're capable of amazing things right now in terms of things that we've created and things that we've built and system that we built. In the internet,in snapshot and there's spectacles now and the whole stuff. [LAUGH] And so, this whole thing was like imagine what a quadrillion people spread out through the asteroid belt. I mean, it's just like the ultimate manifest destiny vision. And that you have to imagine that maybe Elon Musk has a little bit of that added to it, as well. Yeah, he never really. It's an interesting point. He never really talked about, we have to get off this planet because it's getting warm and Our atmosphere is disappearing, he was talking about it like we need to be a multi-planetary species, that was kind of his main pitch, so I thought that was cool. Yeah, that was probably the best way to go. Once you start doing fear mongering then it goes down the drain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The fact that he's doing a Willy Wonka approach. He's talking about going to Mars and then Heating up that atmosphere [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH] We're already present for that here. We're really good at it, yeah. So he's like we're gonna go there. We're gonna do climate change there. And its gonna be all great. Do what you do best, yeah. If you're good at ruining planets, do it in our own favor. Maybe we can ruin it to the benefit of all of mankind. The way he mentioned it was actually really funny. He did mention, at the very beginning, he's like, yeah there could be an apocalypse, I don't know what it will be, but we should probably worry about that. [LAUGH] And then he talks about Mars, and he's like, yeah, Mars is a little cold. But we could warm it up a little. Yeah, yeah. [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH] And that's exactly how he said it. Totally. I mean, talking about nuking the place. [LAUGH] All I'm imagining is him being an old man, like the grandpa that created Jurassic Park. And that's all I'm thinking now. [LAUGH] Is this the billionaire whose like, well we could do this. Cuz you know, remaking dinosaurs out of amber, that was just for fun. That wasn't anything other than. But no, I hope that this happens, I really do. I just don't know how it's gonna happen, and I'm interested to see all the things that go wrong before we get it right. Right. And hopefully that won't set us back because as we know with NASA once there's a major catastrophe everything stops for a long time- Yeah. Till we can start it up again. So hopefully that won't happen here. Which is a point he made you know is that you can't really rely on agencies like NASA because they're politically motivated, and They're motivated by the space race and fear of the Soviet Union to get to Mars. And then, yeah the challenge the shuttle mission ended. The shuttle program ended. Then there's kind of we're just on this trajectory of yeah, maybe we'll go to Mars in 2030s. But maybe that's a way we can wrap up the show is looking at our Crystal balls. What do you think is realistic in terms of when we, I saw that Sparkman. [LAUGH] I said nothing. I was thinking about something else that happened to be really funny. Look at your crystal balls. Realistically, when do you think we have a colony on Mars? Is it going to be with Elon Musk in 100 years? Five hundred years? Never?>> I'm thinking it's gonna be sooner. I think it's gonna be in like the next 20 years.>> What? Of how many people?>> A small crew.>> Okay.>> Like Matt Damon and his crew.>> [LAUGH] Sly Stalone.>> I think it could be a small group. How long does it take to get to Mars? It takes Like two years or something he was saying? I think you can get there in 9 months. Nine months, yeah. So I think it's totally possible that this will happen in the next 20 years. This is your pitch for Gilligan's Planet, isn't it? [LAUGH] There is a script waiting. Yeah, 20 years I'm saying. A movie star, a professor and Mary Ann. Yeah, I think it's possible, but not with humans. I think they should have robots. Well we already have robots there.>> No i mean real robots, not robots like Curiosity.>> The mars rover is a real robot.>> No, I know, but I mean humanoid robots. Like robots that are slight human, slight robot, so you could test, The living capabilites. Or robots that are like mobile VR. So we can still enjoy it, but we don't have to go there. I know, maybe I'm being an idiot, but I kinda feel like you should have humanoid robots to test everything, before the humans get there. Not actual robots that look like tanker trucks. But, human-esque robots, to see what all the human problems will be before we get there. Like Haley Joe Osmont style? Yeah, like Jude Law, more like it, but yeah. So they'll like, experience all the fear and everything. I don't know, I have Blade Runner on the mind because they're doing the sequel with that, and I'm trying to figure out how they're going to put Elon Musk in the sequel, Blade Runner 2, so I think I'm just thinking replicate minded. As opposed to more realistically. But yeah, I hope that whoever the sacrificial humans that go first. There's a list of the man. People have signed up, they're like, they want to go. They want their name on that plaque, don't they. I kind of figured it would be okay to let the stupid people go first. And then save our real scientists. I don't know. Yeah, but, okay- But you need like a Matthew McConaughey up there to figure this. But do you want a planet full of stupid people, though. [LAUGH] But we already have that. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't know. I don't want to sacrifice our best scientists on something that's gonna explode. Like I'd rather send some You know, expendable scientists. [LAUGH] I'm not sure who that list would be.>> The solid B students, is what you're saying. I see.>> Yeah, like the Suicide Squad. Send them. And then send our brightest and best. I don't know, it's hard to determine this, because I just don't think the first voyage is gonna be succesful. So I don't want to see all these great people die, But I guess you kind of have to do that for more progress to happen. I don't know.>> What do you think, Jeff?>> I assume a successful colony will happen, at the earliest, one day after I die. [LAUGH] Cuz that's just how it goes.>> Aww. We'll put your brain in a jar like Futurama and you can go. I would be fine with that. There you go. Don't let Ewan know that the timetable, he'll just [LAUGH] People are gonna be watching you like a hawk, Jeff. Yeah, but that means that they all want me to live longer? No. [LAUGH] What about you Kelsi? I clearly didn't think this through. Nothing. Kelsi got nothing. I don't have opinion. I don't care. Interested to see, but no, I can't candy cap this one. [LAUGH] I say send McConaughey, just send McConaughey. I think we're agreed on McConaughey. Yeah. [LAUGH] It's not Michael Cera, it's McConaughey. No, it's McConaughey and a robot, a sexy robot. Okay, you all should see Lone Star. That was a really good movie and he was amazing, yeah. Which writer, what movie? Lone Star. I haven't seen that. Totally off topic, nevermind. It's so sad that Michael Cera, I mean, I would've put Eisenberg in there, but whatever. [LAUGH] Well isn't Michael Cera, isn't he part of Funny or Die, he's kind of He's a part of that right? Everyone is. Everyone is. Yeah. Anyone who's been on Drunk History He's probably a part of the joke. Yeah. I guess so. That starts again tonight doesn't it? I don't know. We'll see what happens but yeah I hope I'm hopeful. I just don't want to be on that ship but I'm hopeful. Yeah I don't think any of us want to be on the ship except maybe Sparkman's ashes the next day. [LAUGH] Make an ash of myself. [LAUGH] Aww. Eric, when do you think? Yeah, Eric, what do you think? I think he sold me on one thing today. In the past I've written for CNN. I didn't see him even getting there before NASA. Just cause he takes three times as long as he says he's going to with all this stuff. But I think he convinced me today that he might manage to get people tomorrow before NASA does, maybe in the next 15 years. But I think everything else, I don't know if much more than that in his lifetime. Maybe there is like a small Colony or a small outpost there by the 2050s. But I just can't imagine much more than that. But it sounds like he's gonna, through shear force of will and through the money he's got amassed and the support he has now, I think he can at least get people there quicker than anybody else So that's something. Yep. So I guess we'll have to wait and see how it goes. There's gonna be a whole lot more coverage on CNET over the next hours and days, so be sure to check back with us and also check back next month for a brand new show that may be a little different. We'll see. That's the CraveCast for now, and for eternity, and- [LAUGH] [LAUGH] We will see you next time. For Stephen Beacham, Jeff Sparkman, Bonnie Burton, and Kelsey Adams, thank you very much, guys, this was a fun one. And we'll see you all next time. [MUSIC]