The 404 Show 1,586: Giving thanks to tech, Jurassic World, BlackBerry Hail Mary (podcast)It's our last show before Thanksgiving and the guys are discuss what tech they're thankful for.
I am not going to leave my house on Black Friday because, because I'm just a normal guy who can't be bothered with the chaos that Black Friday has become. You going to buy a bunch of crap online though? Nope. Might not even, I might not even, like, look at my phone on Friday. I find this to be highly suspect! I might look at my phone on Friday but I'm not going to buy anything because it's just. I, I really don't think that the deals out there are that impressive. Yeah, there's really I really need to get, other than clothing. Right. That's about it, and that I'd have to buy anyway, so if I wanted to get a deal now, I guess I would. But I don't want to go back into the store and try stuff cuz there are gonna be people, like grabbing at everything, and touching everywhere, and I don't really like that. Who even goes to the stores? Well, I mean, if you gotta try on clothes, that's the, like you can't- No you don't man. Yes I do. No, no you're crazy. I don't do that. Ariel, you do that? Try on clothes? Yeah. Yeah. [LAUGH] You're like absolutely. Especially pants. I just can't buy pants without trying them on. But don't you know your size. Like I know my size. Yeah, but different brands fit different. Yeah, you're right. That's vanity sizing, right? Even for me now, they do that. Here's a medium, this is a medium. Oh it's a medium. Fitted, or it's medium skinny. You're like, what? It's like getting a freaking coffee. I don't understand what the hell's going on. Right but it's I don't buy clothes regularly. Right, but it's just like, okay I'm not gonna buy pants on Black Friday. [LAUGH] I'm not gonna buy pants on Black Friday. I won't buy the same pairs of jeans over and over again. Like, okay 527s, 34, 30. Buy them over and over again, done. My, my future sister-in-law. Freaks out with Black, she's got this, like, routine she does with her family. And these people wake. She's crazy. I tell her. She knows she is. She's like, I'm crazy. Mm-hm. Wakes up at, who knows? 4:00 in the morning on Friday- She's one of those people? After the night that you've just completely engorged yourself in like cornbread. [LAUGH] Well this actually makes sense. Isn't it in a cold weather place? No, it's right, it's here. Oh, so it is a cold weather place. Yeah. So like, so it's kind of like pre hibernation right? Like, bears eat a whole lot of food, they go [CROSSTALK] Right, exactly, so you eat all this food on Thursday, you go sit in the freezing cold on Friday morning? Oh, I just, I can't do it. Like, I have never really done it. And I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna start this year. Yea. There's nothing that exciting. And everyone does it. They go to Best Buy and line up at 2 a.m. They get like a $100.00 off a t.v. You got that and then the, the inedible trampling stories. Yea. Like everybody ran into Walmart to get the thing. People will die. There will be blood this year. It, It's inedible. No, actually I.I went black Friday shopping last year cause it was in a walkable area. I went to this place and basically they had, it was like a Target they had TVs like in the clothing section. They put stuff like, just laying everywhere. I'm not even kidding. There were like boxes of TVs, tons of DVDs and Blu-Ray's everywhere. It was like an Easter egg hunt. And eventually they're like they on the app like you have to get Pacific Rim for $3,. Yeah, weird. You do and they're like, we can't find it. Yeah, yeah. They go, we have it somewhere. You should keep looking. So I spent all day finding it. If you're one of these people who, who ventures out on Black Friday, I really, I really want to get inside your mind. [LAUGH] Wait, hold on. There's some benefits to Black Friday. If you're in highschool, or college. Yeah. And you go to the mall. All the females from school are there. Mm-hm. And they're all in one place. [LAUGH] And it's fun. That's what I used to do in high school. It's a different kind of shopping, Ariel. Yes, a very different kind of shopping. You've gone hunting. Yeah, you're going hunting at that point. But it's great. You get to meet their parents. [LAUGH] Great. [CROSSTALK] You get it all done in one shot. There's the, the strategic element. That Ariel had. [LAUGH] I never thought of, like, oh yeah, go out and [CROSSTALK] I thought he was gonna be like, I thought he was gonna be like, no, seriously, PCs are great to buy. [LAUGH] He's like, no, ladies. [CROSSTALK] for ladies on Black Friday. All right. One positive. He found one positive. That's an option. Yeah. All right there's plenty to talk about today. It's Tuesday, November 25th. It's 404 time. [MUSIC] Thanks for tuning into the 404 show. Today on this Thanksgiving holiday week. My name is Jeff Bakalar. I'm joined by Iyaz Akhtar. Yep, hello. Over here, Ariel Nunez in the control room. Howdy. What's up Ariel. Not much. You shopping ladies goods. [LAUGH] I'm sure your wife would dig that. I retired from that. [LAUGH] How does that, how's that gonna work? Yeah, not anymore. He'll just have a website, best Black Friday deals for women, or. On women. .Tumblr.com. [LAUGH] So this is going to be the last show we do for the week, because why not? Let's live a little, right? That's what we're trying to do. Let's live just a little bit. There's like a gigantic. Snow freaking disaster. It's like a it's gonna be a slush disaster tomorrow. Coming in tomorrow so we're just gonna we're just gonna go home early. This will be the last show and then we'll be back a week from today is the next time there will be a 404. And then next week. Lets talk about next week real quick. Okay. So next week ,. And people have been talking about, we haven't really made a big deal about it, but we're getting enough emails and, you know, Reddit threads about it. Next week is the week we officially break the BOL record. Mm-hm. There. I said it. Woo-hoo. You said it. There, okay? We're gonna hit episode 15, the record is 88, and that we'll do on 12/3. Which is a week from tomorrow and then a week from Thursday, 12-4 will be episode 1589, one more better than VOL. And that's when we'll end the show for good I think. Okay, sounds like a plan. We'll just wrap it up. Smash into a wall- Wrap it up in a nice little ball- And we'll set the studio on fire. And blow it up. I like this idea. So, you got that to look forward to. We're gonna try and work on some stuff for that special episode. I know Jill [UNKNOWN] will be here. Justin said he's gonna come on. Yeah. so, maybe we'll try to wrangle up some people from our shattered past. That sounds like a magnificent idea. Yeah. Make a bunch of phone calls. Will you hang out to? Yeah, I don't plan on going anywhere. Okay, right, right, I figure- And we'll bring all our. Girlfriend's here. Yeah! It'd be awesome. All these ghosts of, 404 past. Let's just use the entire studio to set peepholes everywhere. Yeah! Just turn the camera on them. What do you have to say? I love it! On the couch. What's your worst memory of the 404? [LAUGH] And we'll just have everyone come in. All right so that's. It's what you can look forward to. Next week, big week for and yeah we'll be leading up. And I wanna say like the second week of, of December will be our last show of the year. Mm-hm. And there's a lot to talk about in that regard as well but we'll cross that bridge when we got it. For now. Let's talk about Thanksgiving- Right. And what we are thankful for. We kinda do this every year. We never have great answers because we're just spoiled pricks, I guess, I have no idea. [LAUGH] Ungrateful [CROSSTALK] But, if you can think about the one thing that you're truly thankful for. Or even just an idea or a concept. I mean, yes, we're all thankful for this new studio. And for Ariel and everyone working on it day and night. Yeah, yeah. But outside of work, what are you truly thankful for? And I guess you can like, spin it in the vein of technology, if you really want to make it cool. [LAUGH] Okay, so now there's a whole bunch of rules. I feel like I'm being set up for the results first, [CROSSTALK] for some reason. Yeah, but because you are. Would've because I haven't thought of it yet. Okay cause I'm gonna do a catch standing be like I'm thankful that I don't have to use Skype as much to see my son. There you go Yeah. I was gonna bring it back there. That's amazing. So I moved back to the East Coast in June. I am done moving for a very long time I think. Every time I say that, I end up moving in two years, so we'll see how that goes. But my son's on the east coast, I'm on the east coast. Finally, again, so I'm just really thankful that I get to do that, and kind of, you know, influence him, you know, a bit more than being Skype dad. Skype dad is, it's a lot of work trying to get somebody's attention through a camera. Yeah, it's two-dimensional. Yeah. Like, and the other thing is. He grew up with Test Screen. So like, he was trying to tap the screen. Aw. Or if he was watching me livesteam, he'd be like, Dad, Dad, Dad. But me, I couldn't talk back. Why isn't Dad talking back? Yeah. Does Dad hate me? Exactly. You traumatized your poor son. [CROSSTALK] Id he'd just joined the chat room back then. If he'd just done that. Well, that's a beautiful story, and I'm not sure Ariel or myself can even come near to topping, come close to topping that. Yeah, you already beat us. [LAUGH] Yeah, so. Is there anything that jumps out at you, dude, that, that you're thankful for? I would have to be exact opposite. I'm, I'm thankful for g-chat and video chat cuz I get to stay in touch with my brother, and his new baby, and I get to see them a lot. Yeah! So that's cool. Yeah. And non-tech I'm just thankful for everything I've done in New York so far, you know, and all the people I've met. It's been awesome. Totally. [CROSSTALK] Except for the bike thief, yeah. I'm not thankful for him. Yeah. **** that guy. Yeah, exactly. But you know what he's saying on his podcast? I'm thankful [LAUGH] For this new bike I got. I'm thankful Areo, Areo just left his bike out. [LAUGH] Yeah, exactly. I'm thankful for all these discount deals. His loss, my gain. Yeah. Cost me nothin. Yeah I mean there's nothing like specifically you know technology wise that I'm super thankful for. Smart watches? I'm not gonna make like I'm thankful for Uber. I'm not gonna do anything like that you know. Sure. What's that? You're sure you're not gonna do that? You know what it is, what I really am thankful for. No I do not. Everyone's healthy in my family, that's great whatever. Whatever. [LAUGH] I'm thankful for the fact that like I've been able to hold on to a very solid crew of friends from high school. Yeah that's a big deal man. You know? Mm-hm. Even college I only have maybe like two or three dudes I still talk to. Or ladies or I guess I did marry one of my college friends but. That's how you hold into them. Yeah, I really held onto her. I got this one. [LAUGH] But she's also from my hometown, so it doesn't even count. Yeah, like old you know, especially, this time of year, where you get to see these people again. Mm-hm. It's nice. It's nice being able to to say hi and to hold onto that. So I'm thankful to that. I think that's the smaltziest we'll be for the rest of the episode. That's good. It's all ornery from here on in. [CROSSTALK] We listened to this part on Thursday, and we're like, oh I miss the 404 just listen to this episode. It was so weird! They were mushy! [LAUGH] All right, well that's the end of mushiness, cuz we're about to get really angry [LAUGH]. Let's get angry. It wouldn't be a show if that weren't the case. so, so there's a new Jurassic Park movie. Yes. and, you know, I, I have a very close relationship with the first one. It affected me emotionally. I saw it when I was like when did it come out? 93. 93. I was only 11, and it affected, it was like the first quote unquote real scary movie I saw in a theater. It was, it was scary. It was scared. Which you couldn't hear I'll have to prove to you What you couldn't hear was my eyebrows going down. I was like what? That's not a scary movie. That's why I'm defending it. Well in all fairness my younger brother ran out of the movie, he couldn't finish the thing because he was so scared. Right and how old was he? He was, let's see, your age. 32? Back when he was 32. 11. 11? See I, I, I stayed put. I was able to handle it and I, and it was my first like thrill. Where it was like man, this is scary, but I like it. [LAUGH] Right? And that's what Jurassic Park did for me. And then it went on to really be a big influence. I read the book when I was little older. And I, I just became kind of obsessed with the whole science fiction thing like that. It was a big part of my life. Is what I have to say. Obviously the second one was terrible. And the third one was equally terrible. You seem to think it was good. I think 2 is better than 3. It's like- First one's the best one. That's like saying I'd rather, nevermind. [LAUGH] No, but it [LAUGH] [CROSSTALK] Nevermind. I was, I was gonna get gross with that. I was gonna get real gross. Yeah, yeah. I'd rather gouge my eye out with a spoon instead of a spudger. Fork, right. Yeah. I'm gonna go with the spudger. Sure, either way. It's plastic, less useful. It's the lesser of two evils. Jurassic World is the next Jurassic Park movie that's coming out. And the trailer was supposed to come out this Friday. But some, something caused it to, to get. Leaked out, or released rather, a little early. I guess we could watch it and mute it for a little, for a little bit. Mm-hm. My whole thing with, so, you know, obviously I'm partial to this a little bit, and I kinda do wanna see the movie. Mm-hm. But, what I really want them to do, is to explain to me. Why they did it again. Like, for me, that's the biggest thing. It's like, every time we've tried to make a, an amusement park with dinosaurs, many people die. Mm-hm. And it's always the worst outcome it could possibly be. So where in the thinking of the, of the universe that Jurassic Park exists. Were they like, what do you say? One more time? [LAUGH] Like, that's what I don't get. That's what I don't get. How are they going to explain this to me, the nonstupid version of a movie viewer? How are they going to explain to me, oh this time it's gonna be okay and we figured it out? Where's the exposition gonna fall in line where it's believable enough that they would have actually tried to do this a freaking gain? I bet you there's a probably a least a third of the movie where they try to. [CROSSTALK] They're gonna have to have Mister DNA out there again. They're gonna be like, well, by the way, in case there is an outbreak of dinosaurs that are going to kill you, we do have these handy underground tunnels for you that are dinosaur proof. You can imagine this kind of nonsense going by as you go into this place, cuz it's an island, right? Another island. It's an island, and you saw the little SeaWorld exhibition they have. They had, like, the [CROSSTALK] This is a trained animal. Yeah, whose going defend dinosaur rights? I want to see a black face on a dinosaur, but that has nothing to do with it. Like when, when is the point when they're like oh, not only did we make this and invest millions and millions into bringing Jurassic Park back, but by the way, killer adventure park. The thing that killed all those people and then they fill it up. And then there's all these people that are paid money to go? The giant. But they're like oh I read terrible things about Sam Neil. It was really bad. It killed everyone and then they're like alright lets buy a ticket honey lets take the kids. This seems like it should be Jurassic like should be like pre World. Like there should be a whole movie. The prequel should be like the, the discussion. A whole movie like how and why did this happen. For the whole part of this movie it seems like, in the trailer so the spoiler alert if you haven't seen the trailer. This is in the trailer. This is in the trailer. I'm okay with that. That, these guys have made a hybrid dinosaur. One that never existed. It's apparently 40 feet, this 40 foot wall that it climbs over. It looked like a super t-rex. Something like this. This is the plot. I don't understand, like, what, you don't need anything more dangerous than a T-rex. Exactly. Why bother? I mean there are other dinosaurs that are larger than this. Bring in the Pacific Rim monsters. Bring in the, what are they called? The Kojis? Kaijus. Kaijus. Bring in the Kaijus. Cause that's where we're headed now. That's effectively what we've got. We've got. No reason to create another one, so it's basically man playing God, which they've done already. So, to bring that to the nth degree, it's like, well, what if we took this dinosaur, and we took this other one, and we smashed them together, cuz that's a great idea, because the one that we made in the first three movies, that worked out really well! Yeah, it- Let's make one that's unpredictable! Yeah, so it's not a reboot. So are you gonna see it? Yeah, I'll probably see that. Yeah,probably. I kind really want to. You don't want it in 3-D? No. Would that be no, no frightening 40 foot dinosaurs coming at you? Man, the one in the water looks awesome though. Like, were there dinosaurs in the water like that? I can't, I think they're called Plesiosaurs. I feel like they're messing with history, are they? I think, no there are some that, that can swim. They feed it a shark To give you a nice sense of scale, yeah, like it's a freaking guppy. Like a lamb, in the first one. Remember? Was it a lamb? Yeah, or like a sheep. Or was it a goat? They gave it a goat. That's what it was, it was a goat. [NOISE] You hear that, they play that sound bite over and over. [NOISE] I just love the effects, I think it's like people taking palm leaves and smacking them against a truck Yeah. That's basically. See cuz you're on the outside. [CROSSTALK] And I'm like, whatever's in my head is way more horrific than what they show. That first movie's so good, dude. So just watch that now. It's so good. You've seen that, right Areo? Yeah, for sure. Oh, it's so good. Yeah, it's really good. All right, let's let's get out of Jurassic Park. I hope they bring the score back, though. Yeah they have a real like light under k, tone Yeah. of the, of the theme in the, in the trailer. In the trailer? Okay. Yeah, yeah. I'm like stuck on freezer, freezer stores right now, so. Do not get me wrong. I am very mad at this movie, Yeah. but I'll probably see it. [LAUGH] Yeah. I'll probably see it eventually. It's gonna be the end of the world, it's gonna ruin the nation, but I, I'll watch the movie. [LAUGH] I'll probably, I'll probably check that out. Yeah, I'll check that out on like Blu-ray or something. [LAUGH] Okay. Up next. Tell us about the hashtag keyboard AKA, the end of time. [LAUGH] I don't, I don't wanna talk about the hashtag keyboard. This is a real product that somebody's trying to get going on Kickstarter. Okay. This is not out yet. It is exactly what it sounds like. It's a one key. Keyboard and all it is, is a hashtag. I just. I don't. I don't know. I don't know what exactly you say to something like this. So is a dongle, right? You got the usb dongle. You got a usb cable. It, it, it can only. Make a hashtag character? That's what they're going for right now, but it could have other functions. Oh, like maybe another character? Possibly. [LAUGH] I know it's an idea of a programmable key. Well it's gimmicky, but, but if it's a gimmick than why's is trying to be Kickstarted? So it's just a dongle, a string that plugs into a USB and it's got a gigantic hashtag key on it and that's it. It's a one key keyboard. Yeah. So here's what's confusing to me about it. Oh, here's where it's confusing. So we got a stupid Kickstarter project and this isn't too surprising. Of the fifteen thousand British pound gold, it's only got, well, four hundred and four pounds. That's not why I picked it, but that's not, that's pretty low, which means, everyone thinks this is pretty dumb. How many, how many are they trying to raise? Fifteen thousand. Fifteen thousand pounds? Mm-hm and they got four hundred and four. So, here is, here is what I can't quite get my head around, on their kick-starter page, and they got like, all kinds of quotes and everything. One of them is this, great, fun and clever idea. It's a tribute to Shed Simove, the actual inventor. Of the hashtag? Well no, no, of the keyboard. What? [LAUGH] This is what it looks like, it's just a thing. Great, like, why, how can you possibly say like, this is awesome. And then use that as a way to sell this. As if this. You involved in the project. Yeah! It' like saying, if the 404 had reviews that's like, Iyaz Ahktar says it's magnificent! Right. It's like little biased? You're not supposed to fill your own stuff like that. Good, it's never going to get funded. I have a bigger, more universal question. For both of you. Mm-hm. Will this ever go away? Will the hashtag thing, will that stop? Ever. That's a good question. No. You don't think it's going to stop? No. Do you think it's going to well, there's got to be something from technologies past especially with the the you know pervasiveness of the internet since the mid to late 90's in America. Like there are things that have come and gone like. The animated, well, the animated GIF is still around. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, MIDI's gone. MIDI's, are you kidding me? MIDI's all the way back stuck in 2001. That was, like, hot for a little segment. Hashtag's been around for, well, it actually predates Twitter, predates Facebook. But does it? Mm-hm. I mean, as in, in use in the same context? Yeah. It was, it was kind of co-opted by Twitter. I thought Twitter did it. I thought Twitter started it. Well, they were the ones-they were definitely the ones that blew it up. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Totally. They blew it up. I think- Mine is like, no, Jeff. In Forbes- Let me tell you the history. And crap. It was in Forbes of things. Okay. Back in the old days. Yeah. But the thing is, when you watch television, right, and you see in the top left corner, hashtag something. That's where I'm like, this is probably not going to die, because TV won't let it go. Yeah, but TV is very late to the party, and I feel like once they are hot on something, they run it into the ground, and we move on. Right, but they haven't done it yet, that's the thing. They've been doing this for years, like, hashtag, you know, super bowl 40. No, I, I know. That's why I'm like, why won't this die? I also don't think that we need them anymore. More. Well, how are you going to search for stuff? Which is how are you going to group, Search for stuff? Tweets? Like, when you search Google, you don't split a hashtag into stuff. You know what I'm saying? Like, now, now Twitter's fully indexable, indexed, right? Answer that. So like, what is it for? . . You gotta give things like movement names. No it's like subtext. It's like **** you say under your breath. You don't mean those hash tags like, you know, I didn't really mean to wear that but I meant to wear that. Like those like super long ones that are not actual hash tags that anyone else is using. Or like sorry not sorry. Like that sorta stuff. Yeah, those need to disappear. Right? That's what I'm saying. I do believe it can withstand the, it can withstand the test of time you know, indefinitely. No, I think this is gonna be like the @ sign man. Like this is Yeah. This is now in and you can't get this out. so the @ sign is automatically a handle and that's that. Well not just that but I mean like it's @ you know Gmail.com. Right. @ whatever. Like that. Yeah, but those are not related. I don't think. It's, well you're looking at the hit and shift and then two or three. Right? Yeah. So like, what other things on the keyboard are going to go away? Asterisk? No. I'm not asking it to go away. I don't think it's going to go away. I like that asterisk. Love that asterisk? I'm a big fan. Points out you know, more fine print at the bottom. You know what's not used enough? The caret. Now, it is in forums. It's like, hey that guy above me, what an ****. [LAUGH] It is. In like Facebook threads, too. Like if I'm ever, if I'm ever commenting on a Facebook thread, which is rare. When I want to like make fun of the guy above me, I'll be like, carat, that guy's a, a douche. Carat, pipe, pipe, pipe. Yeah, a douche. We do equals, equals, equals d. [LAUGH] Capital d! [LAUGH] Gotta start with an eight. [LAUGH] To get the full And then tilde, tilde, tilde. [CROSSTALK] tilde space, tilde space, tilde space. That's the direction of the things that come out of. We're going through every piece of. Forum culture possible. Yeah. Well no, it's all porn. But, I don't know man, @ symbol, I think I'm okay with that. But I, I just feel like, I'm not, I don't know if # has legs. I must sound crazy to a lot of people right now, but. Well, no, I hear what you're saying. I think, I think the proper use of the # will never go away, because like, it's, it's useful for someone that's at an event. Say you're at like. Some whatever concert. Right like or CES. Yeah, CES. You want to see pictures that everyone posted or whatever. Right. But people saying like hashtag I'm so tired, I think that's gonna end. It has to. Eventually. We have to just evolve out of that. Yeah, we just gotta stop laughing at it. I don't know who laughs at that. Yeah stop that. You stop laughing at it. So the person who replies him with hahaha at your hashtag. Yeah, I guess. I don't man, right? It's weird. All right. So you're not gonna buy the keyboard for this? That's what you're saying. [LAUGH] Gonna see Jurassic World, not buying the hashtag keyboard. The other thing is, if you are interested in the keyboard, which nobody is, I'm sure Ariel is gonna buy 12 of these. Oh yeah. So that way it can have, you know, multiple keys, and then have them I'll be ready to hashtag it in time. [LAUGH] That's what I, like for me that's the ultimate experiment, and the ultimate like quest for knowledge. Like, who is the person that says, oh, I'll buy one of those. What's cracking me up is that every picture, it shows this brushed aluminum thing. And in the article at Daily Dot they're like, we talked to the guy. They have no working prototypes whatsoever. That's first thing. And the version that. I feel like we could make that in the basement. The one that you buy through Kickstarter is going to be plastic. So all the beauty shots of this aluminum brush thing, and you're going to get a chintzy piece of plastic crap. That's the least of this product's problems. If you're going to buy this piece of garbage, you might as well get a nice looking piece of garbage. Sure! It's all I'm saying. Sure. Well, that leaves room for us to invent it. Hell yeah. We got enough spare wire here. I'm gonna invent like, I'm gonna put, I bet I could be more efficient on my hit, like multiple keys. This is what you gotta do, so you know the ten-key? You make a ten-key thing, but it's all those symbols on the top of the number instead. [LAUGH] A reverse number pad, is that what you're talking about? Yeah, exactly. It's like the number pad with the shift. But verbally takes you down. Yeah exactly. [LAUGH] I love it. Let's do it. Exactly. Perverse note, that is a better idea than the headsphere keyboard. It is. Oh man, speaking of not buying things, blackberry is offering up to $550 for people to switch from their iPhones. Yeah, so here is the deal. So, there's a promotion starting. That's a lot of money. Yeah. By the way. Starting December first. They're running a promotion in North America. If you traded an iPhone for a Blackberry Passport and it's gotta be a Passport. That's the coaster looking thing? That's that four by three square looking guy. Yeah there it is up on the screen yeah. This massive fellow. If you trade in an iPhone you get up to 400$ back on the handset and they'll give you another 150 bucks on top of that. That they accept iPhone 4S and higher so if you want to get the full 550, you have to trade in an iPhone 6- [LAUGH] Which, you know, you would, because why not? Because when you go to the BlackBerry site, they call it BlackBerry Trade Up. Yeah, we've already, trade up? That's what it says, that's why I'm, like, it does say BlackBerry Trade Up, which I think is. Just so ballsy! Yeah, God bless their freaking confidence, right? Trade your iPhone for a BlackBerry Passport and get up to $550. And they have like the breakdowns, so if you want to see what your 5C is worth, you can get a total of up to $280 and How many people do this? Five. And like, how could, I can't even understand five. I don't know, BlackBerry has enough money to pay out. For five people. Man, this is it, right? This is it. I think this is, don't get me wrong, there are plenty like, T-Mobile has a similar sort of thing where like, if you, right, they'll pay your ETS? Yeah. That's not the same thing. But you need to give your phone to them and they sell it off, and that's what these guys [CROSSTALK] Right, right, right. We're not trying to put T-Mobile in the same category here. I'm just saying, it's it reeks of desperation. Yeah, totally. Right? I'm just like, okay, at what price, I've got an iPhone 6, you've got an LG G3 Love it, love my phone. At what price are you gonna think, you know what? I'm gonna give this a shot. Oh, I can be bought. How much. It wouldn't be 550 [CROSSTALK] What would it cost for you to go from your G3? $10,000 a year, and not have to pay for any service. This is for the Blackberry Passport. Yeah, okay. Whatever you want to give me. It, at that point it doesn't matter. What do you got, Ariel? I have a iPhone 5. Okay, you can get up to 150 bucks. And they've got to pay my medical benefits. [LAUGH] [INAUDIBLE] you get 300 bucks for your iPhone 5. I'll pass. It's not even like a thought. Yeah, no. It's like obviously pass. If they bought me my iPhone 6, then yes I'd do it. Give me that and an iPhone 6. [LAUGH] They pay you to buy a non Blackberry, yeah, I don't, I'm gonna pass. 10,000 bucks is a good deal though. I want 10 grand for the year and every year. And I want to- If I can live with it after the first year, I'll be like, all right maybe I'll go in for something. And I want unlimited passports, that's what I want. So if I break one, cuz I'm not paying attention. Right. Cuz I'm not putting a case on this thing. No, no, no. Cuz you don't care. Yeah, exactly. As long as I get unlimited passports for like, the duration of the two years that I'd be using this, because come on. Right. Than I, I think that for ten thousand bucks a year it's worth it. Plus, you don't have to pay for service. Well, yeah, I'm not paying for service. Yeah, of course, I think that, that's like a given. I better get four, right? For all the carriers. I don't care. It's insanity man. Make it work. Yeah, I don't, I don't think anyone's gonna go for this. So, good luck. And, and, so for me, it's like, all right, we make fun of it and what not, and then I wonder about the, sort of business messaging that they're, they're, they're, they're, you know, they're sending out. Deliberately or not. Where people are like, oh man, poor Blackberry. Right? That's the message that they're sending. Like Oh my God, the ship is sinking, we're taking on water, here's a hail Mary. Bye-Bye. And that's why the marketing said it's Blackberry trade up. Yeah. Otherwise- Oh yeah, that really put them over the top. If it's a Blackberry desperation move, I don't think that tested very well, although this is exactly what this is. It should have been called the Blackberry hail Mary. That's it. This kind of rhymes. I like it. Mm-hm. Goes together right? I think that might have worked. Good luck Blackberry whatever the hell it is you think you're doing. You Canadians you're crazy. No I do love Canadian but Blackberry you, you sure as hell confused the **** out of everybody. Alright finally. Here's an app that will protect you from your drunken self. Everyone knows what happens on Thanksgiving. You eat a bunch of turkey and then, op, I just finished a six pack. How's this app going to help me? Alright, so there is an app called drunk mode. Daily Dot just did a piece on them. This app's been out, out for a little bit in android and ios its free. And the big deal about this is it's got three main functions, I'll bring up the app. And the first one is, it stops you from drunk dialing by you, you pre-select some contacts that you don't want to dial in during this inebriated time or party mode. But how does it know you're drunk? Okay, so when you start the app, you tell it that you're going out for how many hours. From three to twelve hours. To me, to me that's not the perfect app, but go on. I wanna hear about this. It's free, so let, let's keep going with this. Yeah. Then there's the, find my drunk, part of the app. So in case you're out with a bunch of buddies, if you wanna find the drunk guy, assuming he's got the app running, it will have GPS on the whole time. So it's like find my friends, but it's on. On the time. Okay. Okay. That sounds like find a fight for me. [LAUGH] That seems like Well I know, it's not like your being paired up with other people using the app. [LAUGH] It would be like if we all went out and we were drunk and we had the thing. Yeah, that's way funnier. [LAUGH] Find me a good fight. Find me a bike might be a different, might be another additional one. There's [CROSSTALK] Find me someone who cares about politics. [LAUGH] Or doesn't not match my political leanings. Right. Yeah. Find me a Republican. Find me somebody to talk about religion. Let's do that. Right. We'll have a good old time. Yeah, it'll work out well. There's also a mode called breadcrumbs. Which actually tracks where you've been. Oh, okay. Cuz you know, who knows where you've been? Sure. So you'll have. These are the three main functions. And, and to actually get out of dunk mode, you have to solve an arithmetic equation. It's kind of like Google Is it complex? I haven't tried it yet. Kay. Cuz you have to like, login. This is all it does right now. You've been using it? No. Of course not. No, I don't drink. No, not drinking to this extent where I need this. Who am I gonna drunk dial? But- You? Maybe. I, I don't, I don't know, for me like, I want the app to kick in, you know, and be able to sense that I'm drunk. You want it sense, so like, the accelerometer can tell you're wobbly? Yeah. So if you're kind of like, okay, a little shaky. > Or something. Or, or, if I've like been at a bar for four hours. You know, like, oh Jeff hasn't moved from the tavern in a while. I think he'd run into like that uber freak out kinda thing, of like they're tracking you all the time. I guess. That's the only- Little bit. Fear there. But. I don't know, I think this, could this be of use, although this is very useful in the case that you don't remember somebody's phone number, which, like, who remembers anybody's phone number? Yeah, and look, all I know is that all of these apps, I'm so bitter about not having them in college. There are so many of these. Oh my God. I, this would have saved me so much trouble. In college. How do you figure? Just, like I had a cell phone in college. It was terrible. Just I would call people, shouldn't have called them. Shouldn't have done that. A lot of mistakes That's how you learn. Mistakes were made. No I remember I called somebody I'm not any better having had experienced that. I called somebody back in the days where you had to remember their numbers and I was off by 1 digit. And I called them like, three or four times, Right. So I got a call the next day, like, Why did you keep, keep calling me? I'm like, I have no idea who you are. Hey this is my phone number. I'm like, Oh! I know why I called you! I missed a digit! Yeah. So, this app would have helped me back then, cuz I was using something called a land line phone. [CROSSTALK] Yeah but now we would have been a cell phone. But then again there would have been pictures of stuff that's happened in the course of the night. Yeah that's, yeah. smartphones back then I would be like, okay, horrible stuff. They're gonna add one more feature though, by February. What's that? They're gonna call it Recovery Mode. It's not about getting help. [LAUGH] Yeah, I was gonna say, where's the button that calls AA? It apparently lets you view Snapchats sent the night before, along with the location where you sent them? Oh God. On your body or geographically? [LAUGH] I guess it depends what you take a picture of, huh? Man oh man. I don't know. I know we say this all the time, but it's like, we're so lucky. And like, I, I, this goes, this is the exact opposite of what I just said. Where like, I wish I had something like this. But at the same time, I don't see why I'm so grateful that not everyone in the world. Had a camera. Yeah. 24 7 in college. A good camera back then. [CROSSTALK] They had cameras. They did. They were just awful. It was like half, it's like a postage. You know, like, 180 x 240. If you're lucky. Yeah. So [UNKNOWN] No, that's a couch. Yeah. You can't tell. You can't tell. You could barely tell. That's all, that's all I I'm thankful, that's what I'm thankful for. [LAUGH] There you go. That's how we wrap it all up. [LAUGH] That's what I'm thankful for. And let's get drunk now. Absolutely. Everyone have a fantastic Thanksgiving. 866.404. CNET is the number to call. 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