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The 404 1,486: Where we enlist citizen superheroesAn app that enlists the help of CPR-certified citizens to help in local emergencies, proof that the Supreme Court knows squat about technology, the Tesla museum will soon become reality, what we can learn from putting an Oculus Rift on a chicken, and...
It's Thursday, May 15, 2014. I'm Ariel Nunez, and from our CVS studios in New York City, welcome to the 404. [MUSIC]. Oh, I love it. That was just like you should die. [LAUGH] I was like the muscle relaxer you take an hour ago. [LAUGH] Yeah. Just kicked in. Yeah. When you were announcing the show. Feeling good. The timing is impeccable. Welcome to the 404 Show everyone. I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Justin Yu. Hope you you got a chance to check out yesterday's show cuz that was a rare gem. Where and Mr. Andrew W K got to sit down where Justin is right now, and holy crap if he didn't freak the hell out of me. He freaked, he scared you? He didn't scare me, he's a very intense and deliberate dude. Yeah. And we, you know, I loved it, I just loved talking to him, cuz he's so enigmatic. Yeah. And. Everything he says, has so much emphasis on it, like he's kind of planned out everything he's gonna say but then, not really. Cuz it's sort of improve, too, at the same time. It's, there It's, it was hard to tell where the thoughts were coming from and I don't even think he knew a lot of the time. There is a certain, learning curve, that people have to go through. Yeah. And, and expose themselves to when you interact with this person. He, he is. Like I started off yesterdays show, he's one of the most unique people I've ever met. Yeah and I mean, I don't wanna call him an artist cuz I think that would be limiting. He's of his label [CROSSTALK]. He said if he'd call back. He's a creative person, you know, in all parts of his life. He is just Andrew W K. But I, I just like listening to him talk. Yeah. But more importantly, I love listening to him play music based on our show. So, that's what we did. You guys gave us a bunch of scenes. [LAUGH] So crazy. A bunch of topics. Well I wanna say like eight or ten or a dozen or whatever it was. Yeah. And he was a really good sport and he did this like mini medley concert for us yesterday. It went about eight minutes or so. Mm-hm. If you didn't if you didn't listen to yesterday's show you're crazy. Go back and check it out cuz it's not only is it just, hilarious, it's, he's, he's really great, he's very talented. Yeah, and we, it's real too the, the freestyle was real. We didn't, tell him what he was gonna play, until literally 30 second before he sat down to the piano. Yeah, he saw it 30 seconds before. And the topic ranged from everything from like Tuna Tuesday, Jersey Devils Domino's Pizza. It was everything, everything. And all this stuff that you know, if you listen to this show on a regular basis. And we thought he was gonna play one song, and maybe pick a few themes to think about. He played one song per topic. Yeah, he did that this little Mikey giant sort of thing. Yeah. Or it's just like a bunch of songs in a short amount of time. Let's, let's play a little bit of it. So here's, so here, we'll just play the beginning, when he does like the 404 theme. Yeah. Right, so just watch, listen to this,uh, and enjoy. [MUSIC] Hi. It's Andrew W K here, and I was given this list of catch phrases song ideas, words really, to try to come up with songs for each one of them in advance. And I would like to apologize in advance. First one is high tech low brow the 404 song. [MUSIC]. Okay, next one is. All right, so that's just a little taste of what Andrew W.K. was doing yesterday. Yeah, what a guy. What a guy. I wanna thank him again for coming on. And he was really psyched on his second appearance. He wanted to do a third appearance, so that he can get in to all three studios we've had on the 404. Oh, right [LAUGH]. So that will be great, he'll he'll threepeat, next time he's here. For sure, and I love how, Ariel, like faded the like he did dissolve the. Oh, yeah, the slow dissolve. The dissolve of like his hand- Yeah. [LAUGH] Playing in like the profile view, it was very 80s, and like very sentimental. Made it real intimate. Yeah. His comedic timing is really good. Yeah, I think he was doing it deliberately and if he wasn't then, I mean it was a little confusing. Yeah. He, he would sit down to the piano and kinda like think about what he was gonna play. For sure. And there was this maybe 1/2 second interval where you were like he has no idea what he's gonna play. He's gonna **** this up. And then he would just start playing this really dramatic like you know, scale based sunks, so genius. One of the, one of the last FM guys, who was helping us record us, after he left, he's just like dude, his eyes are closed the entire time. Yeah, he was wearing sunglasses for the entire interview portion, and then kept them on for the performance, [LAUGH] yeah, they weren't completely. Dark, he's like dude I swear,he was like dude I swear his eyes were closed the whole time. I was like yeah, well crap well maybe I would close my eyes too during that. It's amazing and I hope someone picks it up because it really is hilarious. I wonder if people that don't know who he is or haven't heard his music before would also think it's hilarious. I, I think. Dying the entire time. We were all cracking up. I couldn't stop laughing. Yeah. And, I wasn't sure if we were supposed to or not either. Oh definitely, it's funny. Are you kidding? Come on. It was awesome. He, he, you know he, like we said, he's an interesting dude, he, he describes himself in a very specific way- Yeah. But he's also a comedian. Yeah, yeah. For sure. Yeah, he's an entertainer. He's a comedian. All right, so let's stop gushing about Andrew W K, watch the episode. I just thought it was great. I had a blast. Yeah, definitely yesterday's episode is the one to watch, the video. Don't just listen to the audio. For sure. All right, today's show though, we're gonna kick it off with an app that could potentially help you save a life in your area. Which is a very nobel thing. Download this app. And then, we're gonna talk more about, why do the bottleneck with technology and our government? We've discussed that before about video games, and how they're sort of stigmatized because of the government. But we'll we'll sort of get into a bigger conversation about that. Then we're gonna talk a little more about Elan Musk. Yeah. He's so hot right now. So hot right now that Elan Musk. Yeah. You can't even touch him without covering your hands. So there's more news about him that will basically put him in the cannon forever. Sure. Then we'll talk about another Oculus Rift story that's sort of related to the birdly project we talked about earlier this week. [LAUGH] Then we'll finish it off with an art project that's gonna happen, be happening in Berlin starting tomorrow that I'm really psyched about. Okay. Wonderful. Yeah. Magic. A collection of good stories today. I'm really proud of my hometown though. I wanna start with this story because this app was created by Orange County, where I'm from. And I'm really proud of them for coming up with it. So what we're talking about is an app called Pulse Point, and what happened last month I think when they debuted it, is the local fire departments came up with this idea. It's an app for iOS and Android. Mm-hm. And, it basically takes advantage of crowd sourcing. But, instead of, you know, auctioning off your parking spot, or selling your bathroom in your home, they're doing it for a little bit more of a noble cuz this one enlists the public to help in times of emergency. So the idea is if you download this PulsePoint app onto your phone. If there's an emergency going on that requires CPR, within a quarter mile radius of where you are, it'll send an alert to your phone. Right. And the way, don't laugh. Why you laughing? I'm laughing because. We're talking about saving lives here. Yeah but like, okay my first. Oh God. Like knee jerk. Here we go. All right, but this is funny I think like that's why I laughed. So I, I'm one of these guys that signs up. Yeah, yeah. And I'm ready, willing, and able to save someone's life. Yeah, yeah. But it goes off and I'm like hm, I'm just not in the mood right now. Yeah, or you're in line at the grocery store. I'm holding all these groceries. Yeah, someone else will pick it up. I'm getting, right is that, is that okay? Well, okay so yeah that you don't have to, you're not obligated you know, and it won't held the victim, who didn't respond, that was in the area that it got sent to. And that flashing green dot on your phone turns to red and you're like oh. You can ignore that real easily. Shouldn't have really done it. That's really funny. [LAUGH] I think it's funny. I mean, yeah of course, you don't have to. And somebody like you who wouldn't necessarily want to respond. I would. To someone who's dying. I would. Probably wouldn't download this app in the first place. But if you're feeling philanthropic and you wanna enlist your services, you're CPR certified or whatever, you could really save a life. Right. And yeah I didn't realize, are you actually CPR certified? Absolutely not [LAUGH]. I am not, unfortunately. No. I think I think Stacy might be. Why aren't they teaching that in schools? Why aren't they certifying? I think they are. Every kid. In public schools. I think they're teaching it in school, they just don't, you just don't like a badge. Oh really. I, I guess. I don't know. Huh. Remember we had a health class where we were taught how to do it. Right, on like a dummy. Using a dummy. Yeah, yeah. And one kid got kicked out for making fun of it, in a way you could probably imagine using his torso. Oh, like tea bag or something. Yeah, basically. Jesus. And, yeah that happens, but I don't think anyone's actually officially certified. No, there's no certification process. Like a 12 year old [LAUGH]. They just do sort of a loose general, you know, overview of Right. Of how you could possibly save a life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so back to the story I guess it's connected to their cities Metronet they call it. Okay. In Orange County they have a service set up where all of the fire Departments are linked, to the Central Dispatch. So- And they're the ones that send out the alert to the people that are in the area. So, if there's like an old person who goes down? Yeah so, play some of this video. Okay. You might think this is funny too. So once you're notified, it will tell you where the nearest defibrillator is, the defibrillator is of course that, clear. Shock thing. Right, shock to the system. Yeah, and you get a link to CPR instructions. And we're watching, a video of a demo, Oh-oh Showing an older man, in what looks to be a Home Depot. He's not doing too well. Maybe having a heart attack. Okay, so, so he's going down. Yeah. And of course, you can imagine when someone goes down, and they need CPR, they're, they're out of breath. [CROSSTALK] This is really upsetting. Obviously seconds matter, right? Right. Every second your, your chances get lower for survival. And a bystander can triple someone's chances of surviving depending on what time they get there, which is often before the fire department arrives. Right, cuz they're just there. Yeah. I think they should expand this to doctors. You know, there's always that emergency situation where, it's usually in an airplane, where they're like, is there a doctor on the plane, right? Right. I feel like someone should create an app where, its, its like a Doctors Without Borders truly. You know,where if anyone needs help, you know, they, they could, they could ask if anyone is in the area. This is pretty intense. Yeah. I mean, you're also relying on the really overwhelmingly, humanitarian efforts of perfectly random strangers. Yeah. I meant they're in a quarter mile of you [CROSSTALK]. You wouldn't have to jog for half an hour. It's only a quarter mile. Yeah the quarter mile map. Interesting. And then for the bystander too you can also take advantage of the other features in the app, which is an interactive map that shows you all the emergencies going on in your area. Right. So this is gonna appeal to someone who maybe monitors radio channels for police scanners and things like that. Mm. Say you see an emergency services vehicle go by, you know, like a fire truck and you always wonder, like where's that thing going? Well this map will tell you exactly what the emergency is, the location of it. Is that the right move? And how many fire trucks are going to that area? And if you wanna help you can may be volunteer. Is that the right move though to like, being this transparent about emergency services? Police Scanners are publicly available, they broadcast on a public channel. I know, I know but that's way more of a pain in the ****, then to just have like an app. You're worried about people interfeiring? I don't know, It just freaks me out. I mean look, at the end of the day, it's obviously, hopefully would, would, you know, be beneficial in the long run. Mm-hm. And that's the best you can hope for. Yeah, yeah it really depends on the people that are signing up for it. I think for the doctors program I just suggested a lot of people would probably abuse it and use it for like hey, my foot hurts can you take a look at this? This is obviously for emergencies only. And I could just feel like, I just feel like ambulance chasing lawyers getting. Oh, right [LAUGH]. To be like how did you get hurt, what happened? It would become a parade. Yeah. Like the emergency service experts. Followed by the volunteer responders. [INAUDIBLE] Followed by the lawyers [LAUGH]. Oh god. Look I don't know CPR, but I am here to defend you. Do you know CPR? I learned it in high school but I don't really remember it. Man if someone goes down in this office. There gonna die. You could download the red cross app that guides you through it. Right? Yeah, I don't know, I guess. I feel like we are putting way to heavy handed, sort of responsibilities, in the, in the hands of like an app. Yeah, I mean cuz you could, you can, can't you break the sternum- I don't know. If you push in the wrong part of the chest? I have no idea. And therefore, I should not be touching anyone, who's in trouble. [LAUGH]. This is how irresponsible I am. The only thing I know about CPR is that the beat you should be pressing down on the chest to should match the beat of Staying Alive by The Bee-Gees [LAUGH]. I don't know, I don't know if the intervals for how hard to blow into somebody's mouth [CROSSTALK] or how many times to do it. I just know you're supposed to go. Ha, ha, ha staying alive, right [LAUGH]? Have you heard this before? That is the same bpm that you are supposed to. No, it's appropriate too, the lyric. Yeah Brian, I don't know if you are supposed to sing it while you are doing it but. I mean maybe in your head, it won't hurt to sing it aloud, people will be like oh, he's encouraging Yes. Yeah. Get this psychopath off my wife. [LAUGH] So anyway, you can download Polk's point right now if you live in Tuscon Arizona, or if you're in Orange County, any of the surrounding cities, in that county, Huntington Beach, Newport Beach, it's called Polk's point, and they're trying to get more cities on board, but they need the help of the public. Right. To sort of write letters to their congressmen. All right, there you have it. Very interesting. Yep. [LAUGH] Okay! [LAUGH] Okay, yeah, that was, good, good transition, good transition. Well, yeah, I'm, well, you know, it's tough to make your way out of a story like that. I know, I know. Okay, speaking of [UNKNOWN] - Life and death is like a very fragile thing. It's a very heavy story to start off with. You know? I'm surprised you chose to lead off with that. Well, it's important, and it had to do with Huntington. So anytime I can talk about that. But anytime you fa-, you force me, Arial, our listeners to question our own mortality. Yeah? It's a taxing endeavor. Hey, times change, people change, man. We're all gonna die. Accept it. Yeah, I know we're all gonna die but you just got. You don't have to remind me. Well, this is gonna, it's not like a, this is not a death sentence, we're helping people stay alive. I'm just gonna think of it that way. [LAUGH] Okay, let's make fun of the government, everyone likes doing that, right? Basically this, the story we're talking about here is, we've figured out who is to blame for patent infringement problems. Oh, good. All right, and we've been talking a lot about that in the show recently, about patent reform, and copy write law and you know, basically why Americans are sort of stumbling to point fingers at who's fault it is. And an article posted today in business insider sort of reveals what we've known all along and that it's basically the Supreme Courts fault. Oh because they're all a bunch of elected people that are completely out of touch with normal everyday human life? That and they're really old. [CROSSTALK] Age doesn't have to do with it, cause obviously people [CROSSTALK] More easily to that. But yeah, the fact that they're old. [CROSSTALK] You would think that because, you would think that because they're old, having lived through the entire timeline. Before, during and after. That, they would know more. The world in the last 30 years has gone completely ahead of any, of what anyone could have predicted. Yeah. Right and it's exponentially. And that gap. Has created this gigantic cultural divide between the generations. Right. And when I say generations, yeah, is it, it's not because they're old, it's just because they're out of touch. Mm-hm. And what, you know, obviously, you would imagine a responsible person in that authority. Would take time. To learn it. To go back and be like oh! Netflix now I know what that is. Right. But no that doesn't happen. Funny you brought that up. So it's a, it's a you're right. It's a lack of awareness about technology and Now I mentioned earlier that we talked about this before in the context of video game scapegoating right? Sure. And I, I feel like that legislation video games are always getting blamed because. Think about how much legislation They don't play games themselves. Exactly. How much legislation. How much law making goes into effect. When it just as a result of people not understanding what their talking about. Right. And, and making declarations about things they don't understand. Us of all people know. It's fine though. We're rule, at least we go to the God damn Wikipedia page [LAUGH]. Right? Yeah. You argue diligence. [LAUGH]. Some way. [LAUGH]. Right? Yeah. [LAUGH] Were' not just making these blanket statements. Statements like, look, we didn't know **** about the military the other day Yeah, sure. And everyone sent us these links, and now I think I know more than the average Joe about the military. Yeah, yeah. There you have it. We'll say when we don't know about things. For sure. You should never stop learning. Yeah. Every day, learn something new. Right. What did Kirk Vonnegut say? Was it he who said this? Might not have been. Did you see, did you see Kirk Vonnegut? Kirk Vonnegut. I though you were talking about his lesser known brother Kirk Vonnegut. His twin brother who actually ghost wrote, writes all the [LAUGH]. [LAUGH] He wrote children's novels. Right, right. Lesser known. He was the ghost writer behind his brother. Kirk Vonnegut [LAUGH]. Kirk Vonnegut [LAUGH]. It's no way I said, I know who, come on. Okay, all right [LAUGH] [CROSSTALK] I believe he said, everyone, or someone someone said, someone important said this. Every person you meet every day, knows something you don't know. Yeah, there you go. So learn everything you can, never stop learning. Right, okay, so. It's no surprise then that the average age of the nine judges on the Supreme Court is 68 according to this business insider article. That is very, very old. Hm. [LAUGH] It's not really that old. Not, again. [CROSSTALK] Not an age thing, it's a knowledge thing, you know? I'm sure there's an 83 year old dude out there rocking it on Call of Duty. Right. I'm sure. Right. It's probably only one, but that's it. Right. But my point is that, it's not because they're old. Right, right. And regardless it's alarming, because the supreme court does have to deal with a lot of tech digital issues now right? With, Yeah, it's all that matters now. Internet privacy, net neutrality, all that stuff, patent protection. And the best example of this fumbling and that's what this business insider article is all about. Is last month's ruling on Aereo, Aereo. Aereo. However you wanna pronounce it. Yeah. We know what Aereo is, right? [INAUDIBLE]. But for people that don't it's basically a box that let's you stream live television channels and then it also has a feature that lets you get rid of the commercials on those programs. Does it? Yeah. You sure? Yeah. Okay. and, and the question is, the fact that it lets you stream these channels, is that illegal, is that copyright infringement, right? Right, it's, it's it's basically using over the air antennas to bring that stream to you and that's the point of contention. Right, and you're not paying for it, a lot of these services like, does it get HBO? No, I don't think so. But the services you would have normally pay for, those are available. [CROSSTALK] That's the issue, it's that there's like this gray area, like yeah, anyone can get an antenna. Right. We are not gonna get into it, I believe CBS is in some sort of a litigation with them, so we are just not [CROSSTALK]. Right. But obviously when we talk about this the subject of. Taking things down from the cloud comes into play. Right. Right. We're talking about things like Netflix and services like Hulu that use it to serve customers. They use the cloud every day. And that's a hard concept for some people to understand. And through that court process, and the reports we've gotten back The statements that were said by some of these Supreme Court judges, justices really show how ignorant they are about technology. Like, for example, one of them actually referred to the movie streaming service as Netflick. Um- Ck. Netfick with a ck, a hard k at the end. That's insane. Not a big deal but. No, that is a big deal. You should know, you should definitely know, cuz that's a huge part of this puzzle. That is a major part. And that was from [UNKNOWN] Who last month Nashville elected to the most knowledgeable about current technology. Wonderful. So that's the best of the nine. Wonderful, maybe it's a slip of the tongue, we'll give her benefit of the doubt. Maybe, yeah, maybe we misinterpreted her. But, one thing that's definitely not a mistake is that Scalia, he [LAUGH] apparently didn't know that HBO was actually a paid channel. What did he, what did you think it was? This guy was talking about according to some of these reports, he thought it was available over the air. For free. So. He didn't realize that HBO was a premium service that you actually have to pay for, much less the fact that HBO GO exists. I mean forget about that. So these guys, so these guys don't have advisors. They don't have people that they talk to? Someone like you, you know this is gonna be a major issue in your, you know, ongoings and how the world and technology moves on. Yeah. And no one just whispers in your ear like. Hey. [CROSSTALK] I would imagine the pages and the interns in court are probably are more knowledgeable [CROSSTALK] some of the things they're talking about, than the justices themselves. Probably not the law, but you need to know these thing to interprate how a law written well before any of these things were ever created, would apply to it. Are we coming off as arrogant know it alls right now? No, we're not, were coming off as people who are frustrated. With out of touch people making decisions about things that affect our every day life. That's how we're off. [CROSSTALK] You're right. You're right. I agree, I agree. And, we've talked about so many of these stories before where, you know, the government is still using floppy discs. Did you watch that 60 Minutes about how the nuclear codes are based on Windows XP? Yes. I couldn't believe that. I watched that yesterday and it was depressing. But is it, but is it shocking? Yeah. Yeah? It's really shocking to me. [LAUGH] They're using Windows XP and floppy disks to transport the nuclear codes. That's it. Which is deliberate because I guess they just don't wanna be using the internet at all. Because of leaks. [CROSSTALK] But come on! It's better than a soup can and a string. That's all I can tell you. Yeah, yeah. And it makes me a little bit sad. All right. We'll get by. But we all have people in our lives that are like that. I just didn't know that it would go all the way up the totum pole to the Supreme Court justices. And I don't know if you've been watching the Amy Schumer show, but she had a skit where she's in therapy. Mm-hm. And she's talking out her problems, and the, the therapist is like, look, I want you to really try to work together and figure this out. Yeah. And they don't really tell you what's happening. Until her mother walks in. Uh-huh. With her compu, laptop, and she starts asking Amy questions about how do I send a photo. Yeah. And that's what she's in therapy for. Oh my God. How to deal with her mother's computing questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a hard time to be a person that doesn't know about technology. It's. I mean, there's more to be paranoid about now than ever. I would imagine it's insanely isolating. Yeah. My dad last time he was here in New York he paid for a dinner that we went to. And he busted out this huge stack of bills [CROSSTALK] must have been over like three grand. Full of $20 bills, not even in his wallet, just stuffed into his pocket. Brings them out to a stack, right, and, and, I'm like, what is that, like, do you not use credit cards? He's like yeah. My credit card got stolen, the last few times I've used it at random restaurants. Not even at like an ATM hack or something like that. Yeah. Just some random server that probably copied down his account. Right. His credit card number. And he got jacked that way, so ever since that happened a few months ago, he stopped using credit cards entirely, and told me, yeah the stories about. Target, for example, definitely don't help me either. So now he just carries around bundles of cash. That is really bad. Yeah. That is so much more you know, more vulnerable to, to having some sort of theft happen. He brought up a good point though. I was like, you know, what if you lose it. You know like, what if you, like, I don't know, try on pants somewhere and you leave it in there. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, exactly. And then someone comes into the dressing room. He's like, well, I just don't do it, I'd rather that responsibility be on my self, than just giving my card away to people I don't see. Which is a decent proposal. No, it, is in his head, but it's wrong. [CROSSTALK]. He's taking responsibility for his own, money. [CROSSTALK] It's like putting money underneath your mattress and not [CROSSTALK]. Sometimes, sometimes things are out of your control. Yeah. if, and the, the good thing about having a credit card, is that when the crap does hit the fan, there's a safety net. Oh, they'll reimburse you. They'll reimburse you. You can fight fraudulent charges. Right, right. You can get your cash back. Your dad can't go back to the bank and be like, I lost money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [CROSSTALK] Don't work like that. Right. I just think that's a generational gap, type of mentality. Absolutely. You know, and I'm sure a lot of, well, maybe not, maybe a lot of young people, also feel paranoid about it too, but. I doubt it, young people seem to have no problem with giving away all their information. [LAUGH] Right. Without even companies asking for it, they're just-. 100%. Yeah, I thought that was interesting. Even when he travels, he just carries like three grand with him. That's insanity. Which is probably bad that I just said that on the air. Don't assault my dad if see him walking in the street. [LAUGH] Okay, well, now that you said don't assault [CROSSTALK] it's, but it's insanity. I mean, look, my dad's no better. Yeah. Like, this dude will write checks til the day he dies. Yeah. Like, he will just continue to do that and not trust any kind of online payment. I mean, my mom is just light years ahead of him in, in terms of like savviness. Mm-hm. Not to say he doesn't know how to use a computer, but it does trouble me because now like I'm, you know, now I'm becoming, you know, an older person. Mm-hm. And it's just like. Man you missed the boat twice all ready. Yeah. You know what I mean like, you have, like they were, this was all happening when they were in like their 40s. Yeah, but. They were not old. Now they're 60. Yeah. Okay. You mean like the first wave. Yeah, like they could have, they could have gotten on the train with me when I was doing it. Right. I wasn't, I was like 15 when I was really learning everything. Right. Right? And they were 40. [LAUGH] It's like. That's, that's not old at all. Its like that. And they're not old now. I'm just saying like. Yeah. Come on. Have you heard that Patrice O'Neil bit that he does about how in high school when everybody else was learning typing classes? Which he probably should have taken. Yeah. He was busy putting together sandwiches to sell to them. [LAUGH] To make money on the side. [LAUGH] But he probably should have been taking those typing classes, cuz now he's super important. At the time, he didn't realize how much of a building block it was gonna be. Of course. Probably the same thing for your parents. It's, it's for everyone's, and it's not just my parents. Although it does feel like, in their group of friends, it's just them, but you know, it, it, it upsets me, right? Yeah. And I don't know what it is, is it because I'm so, you know, I've chosen to go down that like, the technology route, that they thought like oh, I'd just be there to solve all their problems? Yeah. Real life doesn't work like that, do you think, I mean? I don't know, I think, I think it's exactly what you just said, it's a foundational thing, like you have to have that baseline knowledge, and then. Things build on top of that. If you don't have anything, and you come in to, try to explain cloud computing to someone. It's gonna be very difficult. Do you think when we're old and grey. Or maybe just old. Right? In like, when we're in our 70s and 80s, do you think we'll still be like rocking smart phones and being very, you know, constantly stimulated? Yeah! Where we are now? Yeah. I think so. Do you think we'll hold on to that? Yeah. Unless I, we voluntarily get sick of it and just isolate ourselves. Yeah, I think. There's no reason, why we can't keep adopting - Oh, I wonder about that, like when I go to visit my grandma, and she's in like this assisted living place. Yeah. I'm thinking like, man 50 years from now, am I gonna hear like Xbox being played in all these rooms, instead of just like people sleeping. We'll be using it, we'll just be a lot more pissed about the things that are happening with in it. Okay. Yeah, we'll just be more vocal about that. That brings me a little bit of joy there. How'd your dad feel about Uber by the way? I read a story this morning about how the the guys that issue medallions to taxi cab drivers, are getting super pissed off at money getting taken away from Uber. Well it's not, I, well he's in an interesting spot, because he, he does insurance too, so he's starting to insure Uber cabs as well. Oh, all right. So that's great for him, because that's more business. Cuz, you have a finite amount of taxi cabs, right? There's like 13 thousand of them, he's got a fraction of those customers, but now there's more, now there's more. I didn't realize that Uber cab cars. Have to be licensed officially. Well, they have to be insured. Oh, okay. The taxi companies are, they're not happy with Uber because they think it's like, you know, finding a loophole around what this, you know, 100 year institution had been doing for all this, you know, time. Mm-hm. So there's there's a a lot of like friction there, but. I think at the end of the day, it's probably good for him. People who, I mean, you know, medallions will still take place. Whether or not they sell for less money or whatever. Right. Those sales are gonna happen. Mm-hm. So, you know, my dad's just like the middle man like that. Yeah, taxes aren't gonna be going away. I don't think they're gonna be going away. But I really think they have to figure something out. Yeah. I mean. You get into a Uber cab that, you know, its like a very nice experience. You, you know, the, the drivers are friendly. Mm-hm. It's very clean, it smells nice. Yeah, yeah I took my first Uber cab ride the other day. Its like a really, almost luxurious experience. You get into a yellow cab and there's like. You know, garbage on the floor, it smelled like someone died in there. I felt like a celebrity. LIke my, my friend called us up cab to take us to the, to the movie theater, and I thought it was just gonna be a regular car, cuz the Uber drivers, can use their own car, that, that, there's no official Uber car that everyone uses like Taxi Cab drivers. Right for an Uber x. I think they have to follow a certain kind of, like, compact sedan guideline. Right. Meaning anything anything though. But yeah, sure. Within those guidelines. Sure, most of them are hybrids. I didn't realize he had called up an SUV for us. Oh [CROSSTALK]. And a lot of those guys take into account personal convenience a lot, and when the guy pulled up. He actually got out of the drivers seat, and opened up his blacked out SUV, tinted windows and everything. Yeah, well [CROSSTALK]. I felt like a celebrity. Well, cuz there's an up charge for Uber, and I guarantee that stuff is, is suggested. But it makes [CROSSTALK] almost worth it. Yeah, so they'll open the door for you. Like, everything short of red carpet was available. There was bottled water inside, [CROSSTALK] They talk to you. Sometimes there's food available. It feels, if you're on a first date, there is no reason why you shouldn't be calling Uber instead of getting into a taxi. Totally. Like it will make you look like a rock star. [CROSSTALK]. That much more, and you won't spend that much more money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking of cars there's been an amazing development going on with our old buddy Matt Inman, who brought who draws the oatmeal, and creator of Tesla, and SpaceX, and PayPal, Mr. Elon Musk. So a couple weeks ago, Matt, bought a Tesla. Mm-hm. A model S, and then he reviewed it in a. Unbelievably easy to read enjoyable comic. Right. He did this a couple of months ago, and at the time, he had casually said something to Elon Musk saying, hey you know, I just want you to know I love your car. Mm-hm. Tesla is great. What do you think about helping me preserve the Tesla Museum or the Tesla Laboratory, where Nikola Tesla studied in New York. Right. Let's maybe help us out and, you know, maybe Elon could help us out and preserve this. You know, I guess, historical landmark. Right. He agreed, and he helped raise money. He went on this campaign, and I think they raised well over a million dollars. Yeah. So he just bought the laboratory. His original laboratory. [CROSSTALK] And they're preserving it. That's great. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, that's in Long Island I guess. It's somewhere in New York, I forget the exact location, but it's close by. It's amazing. And, and, if you haven't read the comic where Matt reviews the Tesla, you really need to like read it, cuz there's a lot of things that you don't know about Tesla cars, that are in here. Like, did you know Consumer Reports gave it a 99 out of 100? Hm. Did you know that, this is where he claims, it, it did better than you could possibly do. On the, on the safety rating from the National Highway Safety Administration, meaning, that it got the highest rating awarded to any car in the history of cars. Wow. Okay, because the, there's no engine in the front. Yeah. It was all a crumple zone. Mm-hm. They basically found out that the car is so strong, it could withstand the weight of four other model S's on top of it. Wow. Like this is not just, oh it runs on electricity, this really is a big deal, and we've talked about it a lot, but we've only really scratched the surface, nevertheless, back to Tesla. The Tesla patent, the Tesla. They call it Tesla because it runs on an AC engine, right? Mm-hm. The Tesla name, the whole estate, all of that stuff is no longer under copyright. That's why Elon Musk was able to call the company Tesla, because all those patents had expired. Mm-hm. He is free and, and perfectly within his right to use that name. Mm-hm. Matt Inman said, hey, you know, it's great that you're using his name, you are in some capacity creating awareness about a truly great scientist and man, Nikola Tesla. Could you maybe help out and help us get the museum kickstarted a little bit? They need $8 million to get this off the ground. And, just recently, Matt tweeted out again, to Elon Musk, hey, we could really use some help. Uh-huh And Elon wrote back and said, I'm gonna see what I can do. Nice. So there, it's moving forward. And he, I don't know if he's gonna be good for the $8 million. Mm-hm. That's a drop in the bucket to him. But he is gonna help out, and he is gonna sort of like. Hopefully, handhold this situation and, and move it forward-. Yeah. Because, you know you learn all about Edison in the history of books. Mm-hm. And there's a lot that him and Nicolas Tesla butted heads over, there's a lot of sort of smearing [CROSSTALK]. About how Edison might have stolen some ideas. Not more, a lot of it is like documented. Yeah. You know, when you, when you look at, like the, the electricity technologies, history does seem to show that Nikola Tesla's was-. Mm-hm. A safer and more reliable way to go. Yeah, it was, it was Edison who patented the technology. So it's, it's kinda crazy. Yeah. I definitely recommend checking it out. We'll link to the to the actual comic and the whole sort of story as it's developing between the oatmeal. And Elon Musk, it's pretty rad. Yeah, he goes a lot into how the car handles, which is-. Right. Not very publicized. You don't really-. It's not. Hear about that too much-. And you know. But he talks about how it handles like a Ferrari. Right. Which is really cool, I mean. Well because-. I've always wanted to drive one. It's because the center of gravity for the car is so low. Yeah. It's basically inches off the ground, because of that battery that lines the enti, the entire wheelbase. Mm-hm. the, there was something I read that I had to read like 15 times. He basically said, that there, there was a lot of controversy over whether or not. Some of the test the cars were catching on fire. Right It happened to like three of them. One of the cars that caught, okay, everyone who was in those accidents, walked away and was fine, no one got hurt. One of those accidents crashed into a concrete wall, at 110 miles per hour and walked away [LAUGH] walked away. Yeah Okay. Then, and this is, that, so if you think that's mind-blowing, wait til you get a load of this. The, after this was coming out, that three Teslas had caught on fire. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Tesla Motors responded by releasing a software update, that was wirelessly downloaded to every model S on the road. Which adjusted the height of the car, and fixed the fire problem. [LAUGH] That's cool. Using software to create, to fix hardware problems. Is, is that not like the most amazing thing? And you know, he obviously compares using a combustion engine to you know, an AC motor. Right. Lot of benefits for the former, so it's, it's pretty cool. Yeah. I can't afford one yet, and that's where like I'm, I still kinda feel like I'm getting jabbed a little bit, I mean you're still. 100 thousand. For, for, you can get one for 70, but if you really wanna, you know, the good one, you, you have to spend almost 100 grand. Yeah. You'll never step foot in a gas station ever again. What do you think will come first, you buying a Tesla. Or you riding the hyper loop. What the hell is the hyper loop. The hyper loop, that bullet train thing, that will take you from. Isn't that not real yet? Not yet, but, you may ride that before you raise the money to buy a Tesla. [CROSSTALK] Tesla's are already on the road. And it's not, it's, it's definitely out of our price range, but that. That price is gonna fall. Yeah. The, the, the, it's not about the car, it's about the battery technology, once that get's cheaper, we're gonna be in good shape. And then it'll just mean another software upgrade to make it completely driverless too, right? Maybe. Oh, my gosh. You know, I used to like-. I just want it the [CROSSTALK] to come down,. There was a time where I was like really bummed out about what technology had afforded us, maybe it's childhood, of watching Back to the Future, and all these Sci Fi, you know, movies. And, and being you know, spoiled and overly excited about what the future could possibly hold. Yeah. But when it's stuff like this, and how a really mind blowing it all is. Right. It gives me hope. It really does. So you've just got to live for the singularity, and we'll be all right. [LAUGH] Well how old is Tesla, as a company, it's more than ten right? I think it's 11 years old. Yeah, so what the, the rule is always ten years for a new technology to get adopted, so we're here. [CROSSTALK] Well that's a big, big blanket statement, but sure. They said that about radios, about TV's, about HD TV 's ten years. [CROSSTALK] The battery they're, they're building their own battery manufacturing plant. Yeah. So, they're gonna come up with something, it's gonna be affordable, and it's gonna turn gasoline on,on it's freaking head. Cool. Cool. All right ,let's move on to a really pressing story. This is gonna change the way you eat chicken, you guys. So it's not with my hands anymore? When was the last time we talked about chicken on the show? Very. Chicken [INAUDIBLE] sir. Very underused subject here. We've been reading a lot lately, and talking a lot too, about how the Oculus Rift can transform in to different places, right? And not only places but. Things too. [LAUGH] Right. And you know, we talked about it a couple of days ago, about how you can use Oculus Rift to put on your head to experience life as a bird. Right. So now we're even transforming species. Which is amazing. You know, with all this talk about how humans can benefit from the technology, nobody's talking about how animals can benefit, and that's very selfish. Some might even call racist [CROSSTALK]. Well, ask the animals. What I say. Eat them before they all run away. [LAUGH] That. That could happen. I'm kidding, that's not how I feel. There's this assistant professor at Iowa State University he's daring to ask the question. With this new virtual reality world that he calls Second Livestock. And yes, it's a play on Second Life. The goal is basically to create this virtual world, by strapping an Oculus Rift headset, onto the head of a chicken. Oh. That's, that's humane. And allowing it to experience a better life. Virtually. So, obviously we need to still keep killing chickens. Right? There's no way for us to stop doing that. No one's gonna become vegetarian for the rest of their life, as a species. So, what do we have to do? We have to figure out a way to the make experience for those chickens in the kennels, a little bit more humane. So visualize that with me for a second if you can. Hopefully this, picture up on my screen will help you do such a thing. Yeah. Are, w, imagine Like cyber [CROSSTALK] cages. Yeah, imagine a cyber punk future where every chicken that goes through the American, you know. Butchering. Right. Sort of process. Yeah. Is first before it's untimely demise, outfitted with a sort of sensory deprivation outfit. Yeah. Is that were gonna do? Were gonna just like? Well, they would have to make the head set smaller. [LAUGH]. [LAUGH] That would probably be step number one. That's right. At least make the straps a little bit smaller. Look - That looks really uncomfortable. It does. It looks very top-heavy. I would imagine that it's gonna be easier to trick a chicken to thinking, into thinking it's on the farm - Right. Instead of a cage. Yeah. So, you know, not, it's not only gonna use an oculus rift, but also an omnidirectional treadmill, for the chicken to walk on so he can experience life completely. [CROSSTALK] Who's going to pay this. It's not just stationary. You're gonna pay 40 bucks for a chicken sandwich? Sure, and each chicken will probably be a lot more comfortable, knowing that it's experiencing range life at least virtually. And we don't know. What if chickens actually think that they're transported back onto the farm? Well, like I said there's really no reason why, I mean, chickens are incredibly stupid. Yeah. I would imagine this would be a very easy thing. I mean you put a blanket over it's head. It's like [NOISE]. It's night time. Time to go to bed. [LAUGH] You know it's like come on. Your right. I'm imagining the matrix for chickens we're thinking of. It's not very complex. I don't even. You don't need the big dinner. I'm not even sure it needs to be in color. [CROSSTALK] Blow a fan on it from the outside. Right, so that's, that's the story with this, its half way a joke. Right. So obviously its like, The image of this makes you look like a onion article. Yeah, clearly part of this is a joke and its meant to show, you know, bring up the conversation of should we be looking to how animals are treated unfairly instead of taking ourselves out of the real world. Which is a great point to bring up, too. It is an interesting point. I still can't tell how you feel about this personally, cuz you have this, like, you have this underlying [LAUGH] tone of seriousness with me here [CROSSTALK]. [LAUGH] I'm trying to keep the same tone as the article. Semi serious, half joking, I don't even think the guy, this assistant professor at Iowa State knows whether he's joking or not. He doesn't know. It's a decent idea, and I would take it a step further and maybe put, I don't know, put like a Go Pro on the chicken's head as well. So we can actually see what the chicken experienced right before its death. Oh, I know what he experienced. To really live through the chicken before we eat it. Well, okay That would be the most humane process. You know, people wanna know the history. That's not humane for the chicken. [CROSSTALK] Well people wouldn't know that the chicken they're eating was treated humanely before slaughter. Of course, and I agree with that, I agree with that. And this is a way for the evidence to present it's self. Okay, To actually view through the chicken's eyes for the last six months of it's life. That's a lot of Go Pro's. Yap. How much chicken, does this country consume. [LAUGH] I bet the number will, will knock you on your ****. And how much would the ultimate chicken dinner cost at the end of the day? $4000. Yeah. After the amount of electronics you have to put on the thing. Right. Then you gotta talk about the cancer that the chickens probably get from having all the electronics in them their whole lives. Can we not please? Let's talk about your Berlin art project and then be done with today. It's pronounced Berlin. Oh, okay. What's Berlin? Berlin. Berlin. Berlin. [LAUGH] Burlap. Berlin. Kirk, Kirk Vonnegut I think. Kirk [LAUGH]. Advantage it, advantage it. [LAUGH] Starting tomorrow an art project will begin in Berlin that will change the way we see surveillance. And in many ways it's gonna put us into the eyes of the camera, itself and that's really cool. So this, we're talking about an artist named Jonathon Keats. And he's gathered a team of gallerists and artists over at a place called Team Titanic. I don't know if that's the best thing to name your project group. Dude you're kind of like. Success, and the history of that word. You're kind of, you're kinda handicapping yourself from the start. Regardless, they're gonna embark on a project that will take 100 years. So obviously none of them will be around, but hopefully, their children, or their children's children- Hm. Will experience the ultimate result of this art project. So, their plan is to distribute 100 cameras throughout the city, that will each take a very, very long exposure picture. The exposure will take 100 years to expose. Oh wow So you wont be able to see the photos it produces for a century. And Isn't that just gonna be black? It's gonna be a lot of layered images on top of each other, but the images will get fainter as time goes by. So, say you put a camera in front of a building. Right? In front of 28th Street CBS Interactive's building. And this building unfortunately gets knocked down in 20 years. Well, at the end of a 100, the image of this building will become faded, and you'll see other you know, whatever replace it. Super-imposed on top. [CROSSTALK] That's pretty cool. It's a time lapse in one frame. yeah, basically. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it is. And so the plan is tomorrow, anybody that's in the area will, or are able now to come and pick up a camera. All right. They're inviting whoever comes there first, a hundred cameras. Whoever gets one put it up anywhere you want in the city. So they're gonna take a log I think of where all the locations are so eventually they can find them. Right. But it's basically a time capsule that will regenerate for every second of the day. For a 100 years. Have they tested it out with like a year first? I don't know. Probably. I would ima- like if you're. I'd hate for, like, something to go wrong. Yeah. In year 70. I'm sure a lot of the cameras will be thrown away or they'll break over time, or something will happen. I wanna see how it comes out, that's not fair. I know, I know. So you'll have to wait a 100 years, and then after that we'll see how much the cityscape has changed. I think that's, that's awesome. On Paper that's a great idea. Yeah, yeah, they've already reserved the gallery space for May 16th 2114. Good, yeah. I think, what do you call that. Yeah, it's a Thursday, it's a Thursday. Two, one, one four? 20, 2114? On the mouth. Yeah. 2114. Okay, yeah, so they've already reserved the gallery space for that. Good. That's thinking ahead. [LAUGH] So, mark your calendars. Set a reminder for yourself that day. Very good. If you'd like to find out about these stories and more, head over to cnet.com/the404. Shoot us an email at firstname.lastname@example.org. Go back and watch yesterday's show with Andrew w k and listen to his live concert on the program. We're back here tomorrow finishing up the week. And we'll have a great time doing it. All right? Follow us on Reddit, instagram, twitter and Facebook. 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