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iPhone 8 wireless charging adapter rumored to be late (Apple Byte Extra Crunchy, Ep. 91)Apple moves away from Touch ID toward 3D face scanning and details its HomePod technology, and iTunes loses ground to Amazon and Comcast.
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Because we have this thing called July 4th week break ->> Independence Day.>> Independence Day here in the U.S [UNKNOWN] was enjoying his time with his family, you have a good time bro?>> I had a blast.>> I missed you but you know what, guess what we have lives outside the show.>> I missed you too but [INAUDIBLE] We love the show too, we do [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGH] So you guys [INAUDIBLE] welcome to Apple Byte Extra Crunchy episode 91 we're almost hitting [INAUDIBLE] Yeah Good Lord. But again this show is all about you. It is our complementary piece to the Apple Byte video podcast. More in depth, more new information. Just stuff that we can't fit into like a five to six minute show even if we force a horrible skid in there that you guys may or may not like. We could do that, it's possible. No, we don't [LAUGH]. Well this is here where get all the other, the goodness. So if you wanna be a part of the show, this is where you guys make this happen. This is all into our line, leave a voicemail, the number is 1-800-616-2638. Your name, where you're from, get right to it your commentary, your opinions, or your questions. We will feature you on this show. Like we always do. I know we had a few less calls because guess what, we didn't have a show last week. Yeah. But you know what, I don't care because we still got calls, so. We still got some supporters. People that actually called this week are getting through because we had less calls. Yeah, thank you for calling in by the way. It helps us out a lot. All right, so we're going to jump into it. We're going to start off, I always know there's this theme of iPhone 8. There's a couple new recent little nugget stories. Then we going to dig a lot deeper into this whole talk about will touch ID really go away with the iPhone 8. But let's quickly just hit two of the latest topics that are buzzing right now. In the iPhone 8 rumor world the first one comes to our leaking Twitter buddy Benjamin Geskin who has really been the king of every physical slash video slash render leak that we have seen with the iPhone 8. So he just dropped, kind of to jump and piggyback on an earlier report by KGI's Ming-Chi Kuo. Talking about how the next iPhone 8, the high-end bad boy, 5.8 inch OLED screen phone, will come in potentially four colors. One of the color options according to Geskin is a mirrored option. So think of the iPod Touch back in the day, that mirrored metal. And if you scroll down a little bit, you can see his actual tweet. He showed off An iPhone case from a previous model, but just to really illustrate the idea from what he's heard a mirrored silver or basically a mirrored option will be one of those potential Actual color ways for the iPhone 8, we will see. That's the one I'm gonna get, man. I want the mirror option. I wanna mirror that, man. Hell, yeah. I'm gonna mirror that. Also, the other quick blurb about the iPhone 8 is we know wireless charging has been a rumored feature for a long time. What is now being reported out of Daring Fireball's John Gruber, who has his own podcast as well as really tight connections within Apple of the latest and greatest going on in there. He says that he's heard the inductive charging. And will, A, be sold separately so to be a separate charger. What? My god. I am just delivering the news, okay bro. Don't kill the messenger. And B, might be late waiting for IOS 11.1. That is crazy. Think about this if you remember with his example was Portrait Mode with iPhone 7. Came out like a few months later after they revealed the actual feature in a software update. He believes that it might be similar where they'll make this power adapter or inductive charging adapter, right a plate where you can drop your phone on, available later which That's a. All right, I just make it, just to have come out when it launches. I mean, there's also rumors that the actual iPhone 8 might be pushed back in development meaning we'll see it sometime maybe in October or November, not September. Wow. So here's the thing that I'm seeing is Is this gonna be another AirPod situation? Yeah. It's already it feels like it's going in that direction. If this is the report and [UNKNOWN] is reliable. Let's again, [UNKNOWN] is reliable. So I'm gonna take it for what it is. The AirPods are still on a sixth week back order I ordered a pair for my lady. Love each other. Shout out. But it still took six weeks to get them. Wow. And so this is after I guess what now we're talking about [UNKNOWN] they were coming out in December. They were supposed to come out in fall So we're maybe almost about nine months deep and they're still at a six-week backorder. And we're almost to the next iPhone and you still haven't got it. That's what I'm talking about. That's crazy, man. But now the wireless charging seems like it's something that Is a huge deal for Apple- Easy to brag about too. Yeah. And it needs to be released with the iPhone. I believe- Thank you. [LAUGH] It's like part of the whole package not something that's [INAUDIBLE]. Exactly. So again these are the two latest stories coming out that just dropped on this Monday, about the iPhone. But really the big, the big media news and the stuff that's worth talking about to me, This kinda released at the end of last week, because we couldn't have a show. But let's talk about the potential of Apple completely getting rid of the touch ID physical button, whether it's still on the front or some renders have shown that it's placed on the rear. according to Bloomberg and Ming-Chi Kuo they both have reports out saying Apple has already been testing 3D face scanning to unlock the next iPhone. Now we have iris scanning with the Galaxy S8 We've seen 3D, or, how about this, just face scanning in general used as a biometric. Yes. So, according to this Bloomberg report, from Mark German, and friends, they have been testing an improved security system that allows users to log in, authenticate payments And launch secure apps by scanning their face. This is according to people inside Apple. It's powered by a new 3D sensor, and it is also added that the technology is still in development. They're also testing eye scanning to potentially augment the system, meaning that it could use a combination of 3D face scanning And iris scanning combined. Wait so the new like, we've all gotten used to this, using your finger print. Which I like. To purchase some things. Now we're going to have to learn a new behavior, right? So you wanna purchase an app, you're gonna be like I'm gonna purchase the app, push purchase and then stare at you phone. [LAUGH] Well the hope is- [LAUGH] It better be faster than that, according to the report, Also a phone using Apple's system that they are testing. The phone can be unlocked within a few hundred milliseconds. And allegedly works even when the device is lying on a table. Which means to your point, if again this is true to your point. If you gotta hold it up like this It already be able to pretty much face scan you, before you hold up like this. Yeah, so you could just like put your face over the table and your like I'll just gotta stare at my face really quick. Yeah, yeah. That's, yeah I could see the potential of that, that could be pretty cool. The other detail about this is that people might not think about is that it's said to capture more data points. On your face versus a fingerprint scan, which is just your fingerprint. But again, you basically have to, the way that touch ID works right now you can't just chop someone's finger off and use touch ID. It has a blood flow. Blood flow [LAUGH] It senses that this is a living object. Although, I wonder if you did take A layer of someone's finger and then put it on yours if it would detect that finger print but still be able to tell because of just fingers through it, through this thin layer of skin that Still a finger. Actually, we haven't tested that yet. That's a very Silence of the Lambs way of thinking. Silence, silence. But I wonder if your eyes have to be open for the facial scanner cuz you- If it's using both iris scanning and face scanning? Probably. Possibly, yeah because I could see You know people can unlock other people's phones while they're asleep or something. So, I think this is really interesting because all these renders and rumors about the iPhone 8 have been " there's a rear touch ID!" And everyone's freaking out: "I hate the rear touch ID. I don't want it on the back." I from the start, whether it's true or not, never really complained about it because using a Google Pixel I think it's in the perfect spot. Using an earlier LG phone that first had it, it's in a sweet spot. you're not looking for it per se. I wasn't a fan of Samsung putting it next to the camera lens because it does get it smudgy, right ->> Yea, yea.>> I'm not a fan of that, I'm a fan of it in that middle lower area. But now it's kind of funny because guess what now you can see comments of people complaining about face scanning instead of touch I.D right?>> Yea.>> It's like I guess, this is the whole thing about this. We don't actually know or 100% sure what exactly it's going to be. But if it's a lot faster I don't think you're gonna care that there's no touch ID button there. Yeah, I think we'll. I don't get that. Get over that pretty quickly actually. You know. Yeah. If it works. If it works, good, yeah. And if it works in the dark, right? [LAUGH] Cuz. Yeah, that's a good question. Does it gonna work in the dark? How you gonna do that? I don't know. You're gonna night club. Yo. What's gonna happen? It better not work when your eyes are closed because if your ladies wanna check your phone at night and you're sleeping. She takes your phone and holds it up to your face. No one wants that. Hell no. Don't look at my. I have nothing to hide. I have nothing to hide. I swear. Yeah, we have nothing to hide. [INAUDIBLE] Yeah, we got nothing to hide. But that's kinda of weird. I mean who knows- Eggplant, eggplant, eggplant, score, score, score. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] We know that emoji string, you guys have used it before. Don't lie. We know that there are bad people out there and they're constantly trying to figure out ways to infiltrate stuff. So Who knows where that's gonna go? So we don't know again, here's the interesting things also, we don't know exactly what's gonna be implemented. If there's still in testing, they may completely scrap this. It could determine what physical design Apple ends up going with because we've heard and from all indications there are obviously a [UNKNOWN] different designs about what the iPhone 8 is. I think everyone ideally wants it to have Perfect clean glass, no buttons, no sensors anywhere. Yeah. And if that's what you get and the facial scanning with iris scanning works, then I think you'll feel happy about it. And again, these are technologies that have existed on other phones, I'm not gonna pretend like they're not. Yeah. But we'll see how the total package comes together. Yeah. And here's where it gets interesting though, okay, so We have all this information about what may or may not happen. Literally like a day after this report dropped about them working on it, a new patent filling was brought into the light, that Apple has been working and improving on their own 3D facial recognition system that would be available to work for the iPhone as well as Macs. Including this thing they call present presence technology and I thought this is interesting because the way it's described with kind of diagram that is that there are Apple recognition system isn't just a face recognition system it also looks for skin tone as well as movement. So holding a still picture reportedly won't be able to trigger this off. I see. It has to be, it basically has to somehow within those milliseconds prove that you're a living object of a person with a face. [LAUGH] Man, they think of everything, seriously, I would not think of that if I was a designer or an engineer. And be like wait, we have to stop people from using a photograph. Yeah and. It's crazy. And maybe face scan, maybe the skin tone had to do with it remembers it so it identifies someone with maybe a more specific skin tone. I don't know how that factors in on the fly. This is just a patent filing that Apple has, but it's their own kind of version of Advanced facial recognition that would work not only for their Iphones but for future Macs as well. That kind of added on this layer of okay this is actually starting to come together from multiple angles. Rumors, actual reports, and the patent fillings. It is a pretty good sign that they are doing something. This is wonderful journalism by all. And this was published on July 6th. So just like three or four days ago Yeah .> There like of we better get this in the can right away. It came it finally came to light so I thought that was pretty interesting. Just to kind of Bounce around just temporarily in another patent filing. This is not related specifically to the iPhone 8 or what not, but Apple has released or revealed based on the US Patent and Trademark Office. They published an Apple patent application relating to, potentially, the company's upcoming HomePod speaker. Now, this is really more specific to An invention that covers how the home pod produces sound based on its surroundings. It's described as a method of equalizing and optimizing loudspeaker output through the use of microphones, digital signal processing, and advanced computational algorithms. Wow.>> So really what this comes down to Is Apple's own microphone system that is internal like internal and external microphones that basically are sensing the location of your home pod which Apple kind of [UNKNOWN] to it, they didn't breakdown the technology when they reveal the home pod. They just said that, it has a system with microphones that they able to optimized this but right, when you put a speaker. Leo know this, when you put a speaker in the corner of a room. Yeah. Right that sound it just feels. It bounces everywhere. Right it bounces everywhere you put it in kind of in the center of a room you at least your normal standard heater it's not gonna produce that same level of sound that feels like a really fills up the room. Yeah and different types of sound doing different things like low end they call a low end cuz it fills the floor of the room. Why like sub woofer base stuff. Yeah exactly and like high end is like you hear it higher. I mean like literally like, I'm talking like height. So that's very interesting like, it's almost like you're gonna programmed it to be always be optimal wherever you're walking in a room or something. So like, He's over in that corner so let's direct all the sound in that corner That's pretty interesting. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. That's pretty amazing. You know what's also interesting? People didn't realize that I raised my seat so I could get a better eye line with you just two seconds ago while you were talking. [LAUGH] Yeah. Most of the time, I look at you in the monitor over here. So when you're looking at me, you're talking but I'm looking over here. You talking to me? There's always a disconnect. But it's funny. Yeah. We're in the same room. Sometimes you can be in the same room with someone but feel so far away. Yeah. Exactly. So that's another patent from Apple just describing the home pod. I'm obviously, I'm one not sold on the home pod, but again I will buy and try everything. I'm just curious how it will be How the general consumer audience is really gonna respond to this product. I just- I don't think they're gonna buy it, man. I don't think so either. It's so expensive. I don't think so either. It's just super expensive. But you can never, again we always say this, and again you can never underestimate the power of the Apple brand in the ecosystem. Yeah, it's their marketing team is just so- Right. Incredible. I mean, you could make a giant marshmallow that plays music and someone's gonna buy it. [LAUGH] They had market the hell out of that, the giant marshmallow with an Apple logo on it. [LAUGH] They should have call it the iMallow. [LAUGH] iMallow. And put it on the stand, that looks like a barbeque steak. [LAUGH] If you wanna have it like for your stereo sound. All right, some other quick things, iOS 11 beta, the third beta for iOS 11 And macOS High Sierra. High Sierra. Their third betas have been released for both of those. At least if you're a developer, from what I gather, at least right now. Unless, I didn't check recently, I don't think it's available in the public beta right now. The public beta typically tends to trail a little bit from the developer. Builds that come out but we just want to let you know that it is continuously evolving but the beta [UNKNOWN] so if someone who took the risk of putting [UNKNOWN] on your products, that's fine. I get sometimes a few tweets or messages from people saying, I don't like this, it's kinda buggy It's- Well yeah. It's a beta for a reason. To get rid of the bugs. And from what I recall, so a gentleman had hit me up about putting the beta on his Apple Watch. And it's like, it's draining away more power on both the phone and the watch. Obviously it's not optimized. But from what I gather, I don't know if you can personally, specifically for the Apple Watch, I don't know if you can revert your Apple Watch to an older iOS after you've put it through a developer beta. Yeah. Something tells me you can't, specifically with the Apple Watch. I'm not talking about The iPhone, the iPod, I mean iPhone iPad. I could be wrong but yeah, I was like I think you might be SOL right now if you want to go back. Yeah I've never seen like a how-to or like you know. Because even when your Apple Watch gets trashed or messed up, the only people that. Apple basically, based on their warranty, they say like, you have to bring it in the store. We have access to the diagnostic ports that do x, y, and z but you don't at home. [LAUGH] On the Apple Watch. They lock it down baby. Basically, so we'll see how that all plays out. The other thing is, also is cool, is the Apple TV public beta. Yeah. You can get in on that, that's not something that they typically made available to the public. But if you wanna check out their, just go to, if you wanna do general search. Do you run the risk of your Apple TV getting Yanked, I mean, all screwed up. I mean, too, no matter what if you're playing with beta software, you're always gonna risk something like that. Yeah. So, it may not work perfectly. Sometimes, it might crash more often than it's supposed to. That's the type of stuff that happens. Maybe certain apps aren't compatible. But overall, you can kinda check it out if you wanna go and get the public beta. You do have to sign up through Apple's website. Just search like Apple Public Beta Program, and it'll guide you through all that stuff. The other thing here if we're talking about video content, right? Apple TV, play around with this. I thought this article's really interesting, it was originally published by The Wall Street Journal. Amazon and Comcast have been able to take a bite out of Apple's digital movie business. So if you look back at iTunes, the store, really one of those apps at the forefront of pushing digital media content and consumption. Way ahead of time before people even comfortable about it right if you wanna call say what is a disruptor iTunes was one of those things. Big time. But if you look if you look at a decade later Amazon and Comcast as well as others right w have a lot of people that have shifted to streaming behaviors but it's also cut into Apple's market share. So according to the support. the Apple now claims 20 percent, or somewhere around 20 to 35 percent of digital movie rentals and sales, but if you look back in 2012, they were at 50 percent. Wow. I mean, I used to rent movies from Apple all the time, like TV shows and stuff. It was easy to do, but now it's kind of lost a little bit. Well, they have so much going on, too. Yeah, there's a lot. Now they say taking a bite out of Apple's share is Amazon, which does, also, rentals and selling of movies. And they have their own content, right? Their Amazon Prime service. Mm-hm. But Amazon claims now about 20% of the market share, according to the Wall Street Journal. Comcast accounts for about 15% of the market. I gotta say, Amazon Prime Video is always kind of like a red headed stepchild or whatever you wanna call it. And within just the last few years, it's really grown up a lot. And it's a lot easier to use and there's a lot more content. This article is about the two main things I use, Amazon and Comcast. Because Comcast streaming services kick-ass too you know. You got all your TV shows live, whatever. And they have a lot of movies on demand when they make deals with movie companies. But this article does not surprise me at all. Here's the other thing when I see the story and I wonder what's going on here. Look, I think that Amazon has been able to get people to purchase more shows directly. When we talk about why has apple has lost, you know, this market share. First of all people are now streaming on more devices. That's gonna be one aspect of it. But Amazon has original content and shows that people actually watch. Yeah. Like Transparent is one of them. And so when you're creating original content like Netflix, like others that people are actually watching, people are more likely to use that product just in general. And then because they're using that product and they wanna make a purchase, they just happen to be already on the Fire TV or whatever it is Because they're watching these other shows that are part of their service, and then they buy them. And that's why I've still been frustrated of hey Apple if you're gonna get into this exclusive content, you're really gonna put it behind the Apple Music pay wall? Right it still doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense to me. It still doesn't make sense. And these shows that they're putting out right now Aren't compelling enough to convince anyone to really say okay I'm going to put down 10 dollars a month for the Apple Music Service because I saw this show I have to have. I know Apple is building this This is not gonna happen overnight. Quite honestly, for them to get enough content that is compelling. Look how long it took Netflix to do. But that was something that Netflix was doing from the start, right? I felt like it took Netflix at least maybe two or three years after they started getting popular to start actually putting out real original content shows that people started to then go to as a destination spot. Yeah, I feel like, even longer. Yeah. Netflix is around. Might have been five or six years maybe. The DVD sharings. Yeah, that's true. Like that's a long time to build a business. Yeah. So maybe like, 10 years. Yeah, it took awhile. So. [LAUGH] And then also they have to get the right producers and the right directors and the right content, you know. Yeah Netflix isn't afraid to go for $20 million to get a comedy guy, add a comedian or some producer to go make something and then completely be out of their way. Just give them money, go do what you're gonna do. We're not gonna say ****. [LAUGH] You know what I'm saying? Whoa. And Apple's like, Almost doing the opposite. We're gonna make a show about apps on Apple and other things like that and Beats music stuff. It's very niche to their audience of, I guess. They're almost like commercials for their own platform. And that's what I remember when Eddy Q talked about the content. They're like, we're only gonna work on the stuff that strategically makes sense For Apple, it's like how about making good shows that people even care about. A funny comment in the periscope was, DC Fox said, carpool karaoke, greater than transparent... said no one. [LAUGH] You know. Transparent won an Emmy. I know. Jeffery Temple. Did carpool karaoke win an Emmy? Probably not. I mean, here's the thing also. I mean if we talk about content, so I'll go on a little tangent here and everyone can relate. So Netflix, right? Netflix is starting to just have so much content. Like I was, for the first time I was kinda hanging around, it was a hot weekend, and I'm like I'm just gonna stay inside and just chill. And you have a choice to watch like a really Super in depth potentially depressing documentary or a light show? So. I'm avoiding the heavy documentaries lately. [LAUGH] Getting burned out by that stuff. But I feel, I don't know how every one else feels about this. You guys can even call in about this if you want But I feel Netflix is now opening the floodgates with content. Some of these documentaries that I've been watching, and yes, you could say documentaries by nature may not necessarily be a two-sided story. But I felt like this one I saw, What the Health, was so skewed on one side of like, this is everything you can't eat. They didn't tell me, I got an hour through it, and they still didn't tell me what I could eat. They just told me I can't eat. Chicken, red meat, lunch meats, eggs, and fish. And, I'm like, how am I going to keep this tight? [LAUGH] If I can't, how am I supposed to keep this tight? That's the problem, with some documentaries too. It's like really The producer's point of view. That's what I'm saying, right? And people have made that claim on many documentaries. Some of the best documentaries you've ever seen, stuff from Michel Moore, right? People have been complaining about that as well. So, but when you start having all these documentaries you feel, where's the other side of the story? Is it just because Netflix is now such a big machine they're like we just want content pump it out. Yeah, big content. Pump it out, pump it out so. Its awesome. Its awesome so we just had a Netflix conversation on an Apple Byte show. Yeah, people are calling this the Netflix cast in the chat room. You know we did have some, do you want to take like a couple follow up questions from the. Yeah, I love that. Yes please do I love it when you jump in with this stuff. We did have one. About the, let me see if I can scroll back. [LAUGH] Sorry, I'm scrolling back, looking for your question. Just interrupt me sometimes. They can write them out again. Yeah, I'm trying to find, there was a good about the, you know what, I'm not being able to find it right now. But there was a good one about. Gimme the gist. About the facial recognition, unlocking your phone? Yeah. And they're wondering, what if you get a suntan, that was the funny one, yeah. What if you get a suntan? [LAUGH] I don't know. And your face is a little different. Yeah, you got raccoon eyes and stuff. I don't know, [LAUGH] it'll be up to Apple. Again, I don't know if the skin tone is a true indicator that prevents you from getting in or not. I don't know this, again it's just one of the aspects of their facial recognition system. We don't know exactly how it's going to be implemented. Yeah, and then [CROSSTALK] And if you have white pasty skin and they think you're a dead body and it doesn't work, I don't know. If you have a cold, dead body, I don't know. And then like, Tony just jumping around. People were making a lot of comments about the homepod and were talking about how expensive it was and some people are saying, if it's under $300, maybe like 350 is too high. If it's under $300, maybe. I think when you look competitively with what is out there, knowing that Apple puts a premium on it. I think there are. Those borderline people that are still curious are willing to give it a spin at like a sub 300 price. Like 249 doesn't seem like something Apple would do fine 299. But we'll see, they're gonna stick to this 349 price, again I'm really interested to see how it's gonna play out. I don't think it's gonna last that long. I think they'll force it through and make it stick around, but I just don't know how many people are gonna actually buy it. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes Apple gives in pretty quickly. And one more thing I just wanted to mention that guy said was useful, restoring your Apple watch. Yeah, can you? I don't. There's a tool called iBus that lets you connect your watch to iTunes and restore it. Directly. That's from Matanata M. But it's not an Apple, I know it's not an Apple software piece. [CROSSTALK] Someone else helped out it together. Okay, that's good, that's good. So check that out. That's just the three things I saw in the chatroom I that I felt were. Worth mentioning. Sounds like a BuzzFeed video title. [LAUGH] Three things I saw on this video worth mentioning. [LAUGH] Yeah. All right, let's jump into the phone calls and to see [UNKNOWN]. And we have a couple this week but again, to be a part of this show, the number is 1-800-616-2638 I'm not gonna tell you the numbers but we are very proud about the numbers that the show is producing. Yes. We're surprised. The show continues to grow, thank you all. Tell all your friends. Like more than tens of thousands, that's all I'm gonna tell you right now. That's all I'm gonna let you in on. We're happy, we're happy. We're doing well. Okay, first call, here we go. [UNKNOWN] This is Bry from New Orleans. With the tenth anniversary of the iPhone, everyone's talking about the Rocker. But I want to show some love to my first iTunes phone, and that was the Motorola Sliver. I don't know if this was the next iteration. Or you know how even how closely Apple was involved in it but I have the sliver. In fact I think I still have a working sliver somewhere in a drawer somewhere so I might go retro and pull that out. Thanks bye. Showing love. Trying to find If it was the sliver it was slvr. This one right here? There you go second I tune it's considered the second I tune phone That's awesome man The Slvr. The Slv. It was a cool name. I mean it was awesome at that time. [LAUGH] It's still it's awesome. Yeah, anyway cool. I'll let you use that for a day and tell me if you survive. I'll let you use that for a day. I'll kill myself. That's what I'm saying first world problems yo, first world. Okay, next call. Hi, my name is [UNKNOWN] from Cleveland, Ohio. And I had a question for Brian. I am thinking about buying an Apple MacBook Air 11 inch, the older model in 2010. I'm already given up on Apple's newer laptops because I don't like newer models. Let me know if it's a good idea or not. Ok, have a nice day. Bye. This is a tricky one. Honestly, we get a lot of calls about people asking "what should I buy based on this?". The good thing is that we didn't have that many calls because we didn't do a show last week. Yeah. But it's hard for me to always just throw out a complete recommendation not knowing exactly what you want to do with it. But if you're not impressed with the touch bar stuff, quite honestly, and you're just looking for a phone that can surf the Web and do email and word processing, so basically school type, work type stuff. And you wanna portable. I'm down with either and based on your budget, if you're talking about the Macbook Air, I'm down with that. Even if you wanna move a little slimmer and you have the extra change to drop on it, the Macbook is finally, to me, powered enough where I'm, hey you what? It's a more than capable machine, the super slim Macbook. But when we're talking about the Macbook Air 11, that is one of my favorite form factors that Apple put out of a laptop. Check this out, there is few for sale in YouTube, Apple certified, refurbished. This is great, on eleven inchers? 11.6 inch Macbook air for $929, that's still seems very expensive to me. It is. For a pretty old. Which one? Does it say the year on it. 2015, actually. That is exactly what she is looking at. That is what she is looking at. So the, since you just brought this up in my mind. Yeah, obviously go to Apple's Store and go look for refurbished. The reason why if you're looking for an older machine, when you purchase it, it is still covered by the same exact warranty. Which would be a year, standard warranty, that comes on the machine. it's all covered by that so it's not like your buying a machine that's not covered and if the way that they do their refurbishing it's like having a brand new machine. So your covered by the exact same warranty as a brand new one, and it's cheaper. I think that's the way to go quiet honestly if you haven't thought about that already. Thats defentifly the way to go. Do that Defentilty if your in that I thought she said two thousand ten, that's going back a little to far. I think like I don't even know if The latest software work. No. I wouldn't work. You can try, you can try, but it won't. It just wouldn't hang, so. Yeah, so this is the deal right here. 929, baby. 929, you out of your mind? Ho! You out of your mind? 50% off. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Not really, but. All right Beatz, I think that's gonna wrap it up for this week. Next week we're gonna have I sit down and interview with one of my good friends, Joe Tiplinski. We're gonna talk about apps, the app store, the current state of Apple, with how they're treating their developers. And also it's like I gotta talk to him about the iOS 11 app store layout. I'm just like, naw, bro. 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