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>> All right, good afternoon guys. Welcome to Editor's
Office Hours. I'm Brian Tom, joined here with senior
editor with cell phones and everything mobile -- phones
>> Something -- something like that.
>> All right, Ken Sherman's in the house, guys, and
we're here to take your questions and you guys know how
the drill goes. Down below us, this is our chat box
where you guys can interact with us. And then up here
in the top right-hand box is where you can submit your
questions. If you don't have an account listed, all you
have to do is create a user name and a password, and
give us your e-mail and that will allow us to help you.
Now today we're going to be talking obviously about
everything cell phones. One of the focuses we want to
talk about, though, is also cell phones for the
holidays. So if you guys have any specific phones that
you have questions about, or maybe one versus the other
we'll be able to help you out with that. But really,
anything and everything under the sun. That's what
we're here for. And Ken, just to start things off, you
brought a few phones here that you kind of wanted to
talk about and showcase a little bit.
>> Yeah, a few of them are dead because --
>> That's fine. That's okay.
>> We were running a battery testing and I just got back
to the office from holiday today, and I haven't had time
to charge them. But Samsung has a lot of touch-screen
phones these days. I don't have the Omni with me,
Bonnie has that -- [ Multiple voices speaking ]
>> Before I came in. But this is the Dell. This is the
Bold, and that is the Eternity for -- this is AT&T, this
is Alltel, and this is T-Mobile. So Samsung is really
big on the touch-screen phones. These aren't really
smart phones in the sense that they have a third party
operating system. But they have all of that
touch-screen technology, haptics feedback, music
players, cameras, the -- I think the Bold is the 5 mega
pixel. I'm sorry, it is the Bold. See, I get them all
mixed up. Has 5 mega pixels, camera, not a bad camera,
actually. And then they're all 3Gs so they have varying
functions. The only thing -- the Dell from Alltel does
not have an accelerometer, so when you tilt it around it
doesn't have the same effect.
>> [Inaudible] turn over the keyboard or anything like
>> But overall, almost the same in some ways, but a
little bit different, little bit different design. And
then of course the Omnia, which came out [Inaudible]
last week, that is a U.S. version of the Omnia, which we
reviewed a little while ago. That's from Verizon, and
Bonnie took a look at that and liked it, pretty much.
>> Now when you take a look at these guys, I mean,
clearly Samsung is pretty much staying pretty similar
with form factor. Screen size is about the same, if I
recall right, do they all use the kind of touch whiz
interface, all three of these?
>> Yeah. In varying formats. But yes, the touch whiz
interface is all there, and that's where you can slide
the icons out and get short cuts to all different kinds
of icons right on the side bar. And so it is pretty
useful. I wish it would have a little more
customization. You can't really tell what icons you
want to go on the side bar. But you know, it's not too
>> Okay , excellent. Is there one of these three that
you prefer or really like --
[ Multiple voices speaking ]
>> You know, I think the -- well, the Omnia is a little
bit of a higher-end device. If you're not looking for a
smart phone with a third party operating system, e-mail
integration, I would go toward probably the -- I like
the Behold, I think. Eternity is not bad either, but I
think T-Mobile's 3G network is a little faster and I
like the camera better in it.
>> Yeah. And you know, we experienced that when we did
a speed test between the iPhone 3G and the T-Mobile G1
phone. And I mean, there's a lot of factors, but do you
think it's really just because there's not as many
people on the 3G network for T-Mobile right now, or
what, you know -- that might attribute to the speed of
>> Yeah, and I think they use a different technology.
They use different bands than AT&T, and it's not
available in as many areas as AT&T is right now. So if
you travel outside of urban areas you're not going to
get it as much. But I still like it. It's pretty fast.
>> Yeah, okay. We'll take this first question. This is
from Vic7vic78. How is the Samsung Highnote for Sprint.
>> The Highnote is a slider phone that came out earlier
this year. It is a -- I think it's in red and it's in
blue, if I remember right. It's a music phone, and I
think it's one of the Sprint's better music phones. And
actually it has a -- what do you call those things --
scroll wheel, actually. It has a full scroll wheel
that's on the device. You can use it to scroll through
long lists, which is kind of cool. You can use it for
music, of course. It has 3G. I thought it was one of
the better Sprint music phones. It doesn't have a lot
of internal memory. The streaming video quality was a
little mixed, but you know, I'm not a huge streaming
video fan in the first place. That wasn't a huge big
deal. Some of the navigation controls took a little bit
of a learning curve. But I think overall it wasn't a
bad phone as far as a Sprint music phone, with unique
>> Okay, now we also are talking about phones for the
holidays, and I guess the editor's pick for the holiday
phone was the Samsung -- was it the -- is it the 870 I,
is that the one?
>> I think -- did we do the [Inaudible] --
>> Yeah --
[ Multiple voices speaking ]
>> Oh yeah --
[ Multiple voices speaking ]
>> I think that, yeah, that's a pretty decent phone. It
is available with AT&T now, and I really like the
features, design, and I thought it offered great call
quality. Of course, if you don't need that kind of
multimedia phone then we have other options in our
holiday gift guide, and if you want a smart phone,
something made a little higher end we have options for
you as well. But I think as far as a mid-range
multimedia phone, that's a pretty good pick.
>> Now it looks like some people are actually asking us
questions within the chat, which is fine. We'll -- if
you guys, what you can do to help us though, so we can
get them directly, because we don't always look at the
chat all the time is write your questions into this top
right-hand box and create a user name and password so
that we can get them directly. It's hard for us to keep
track of the chat while we're, you know, while we're
talking. But I can pull from here, because these are
pretty straight-forward. This one is from Cliffa2. I
just bought a Blackberry Bold and I like it. But I'm
intrigued about the Blackberry Storm. How long to fix
its reported problems. I'm guessing you might be
talking about the sluggish OS, the nature of it. And is
the keyboard all that, or just a gimmick. So I guess
what are your first impressions on that, you're been
able to mess with the storm.
>> Well, I haven't used it a whole lot, but what I did
think when I originally saw it is I wasn't impressed
with the keyboard. I think it's really Blackberry -- I
think Blackberry is trying really to get a little of the
iPhone crowd to go for the touch-screen, which of course
is a huge trend right now. And I just don't think the
touch-screen really lent itself to Blackberry's
platform. I liked that physical touch-screen. I think
it's a business device, I think it's really a work
horse, it's all about its e-mail functionality. And I
think it's trying to be a little flashy, a little
exciting, and it just doesn't need to be, in some ways.
I -- I didn't do a whole lot of typing on the onscreen
keyboard. I know Bonnie did, because she reviewed the
device. And she didn't really like it all that much, to
be honest with you. She found it a little cramped and
not as responsive. The thing that's interesting about
the Storm, sorry, is that it doesn't have Haptic
feedback, like you've seen. So it doesn't have the
vibrating. Of course, the iPhone we know has nothing.
But actually -- I always forget what they call this,
it's like Sure Press or something like that. Where
actually the whole screen moves down when you press. So
I thought that was a little gimmicky. In fact when I
first used it, I didn't even know what it was doing. I
could feel something going on --
>> You could feel the depression --
>> I -- didn't understand what it was doing. They had
to tell me. And then I thought, huh, that seems a
little weird. I wasn't such a huge fan of that,
>> Yeah. I got to play with it as well, and when I
first picked it up and I pressed on the screen my first
impressions were like, okay, it kind of feels like a
track pad on a laptop. Very similar even to the feeling
of, like, the MacBook line, like, the whole multitouch
track where you push and kind of feel this -- so click,
okay, let's give this a try. But in application when I
started using it and typing it, it didn't feel very
comfortable. But more than anything, I think it's the
software that's -- that's crippling this phone. Sure,
whether you like the touch pad or whatever it is, the
sure type or whatever they call that touch -- click pad
or whatever it is -- it's really the software that's
hindering -- [ Multiple voices speaking ]
>> -- the software that's hindering it. And I almost
feel like because they're -- you know, Blackberry makes
great products, but this phone felt like a rushed
product to me from the software side. More than
anything else. And so -- and they're building so much
hype and everyone thinks -- I think another point is a
lot of people think that okay, whatever. The iPhone is
there. A lot of people know that it does a lot of
things really great. At least from the software
execution. And that's really where the Storm fell off
the map for me.
>> I just don't understand what Blackberry wants with
this device. Are they really trying to get part of the
iPhone people? Because that's not going to happen.
>> That's not their brand or the message that they're
>> Yeah. And that's not -- I can't imagine someone
sitting -- someone putting down the two devices and
saying, hmm, I'm going to choose the Storm -- unless
they're a Verizon customer and they don't want to leave
and they don't want to pay the early termination fee. I
just -- I don't really know who they're going to attract
with this device.
>> Yeah. Okay, well now, thank you guys. Looks like
we've got a ton of questions after I told you guys to
submit your questions, which is great. So we're going
to take this one from Winstonleon6758. And here's the
question. My carrier has both the Samsung Instinct and
LG Dare. Which one should I buy as a per alternative to
the iPhone. This will kind of depend --
>> I wonder what carrier that is --
[ Multiple voices speaking ]
>> But anyway, that's a good question. I think that the
LG Dare is one of the better devices that we looked at
this year, one of the better touch-screen devices. I
like the Instinct. I know there's a lot of people that
don't. I think that for what it is, I think it performs
well. But the Dare has a little bit of a better camera,
I don't know if you're interested in that. Little bit
better performance in some ways. So I might lean toward
the Dare just a little bit.
>> I would personally, just being able to -- the camera
is really great and you can do this slow-mo frames of
video as well as -- I can't remember how many mega
pixels, it is a 5 mega pixel camera --
>> The Dare, it's -- [Inaudible] I think it might be
>> I can't remember off the top of my head. But I enjoy
[Inaudible] the Dare. And also the Dare is smaller in
size. It's a little more pocket-friendly. Although it
is thicker, it is definitely a lot more pocket-friendly.
So -- I would --
>> I'm pretty sure it's 3.2.
[ Multiple voices speaking ]
>> Yeah, 3.2.
>> Okay, my bad. 3.2 mega pixel camera on the Dare.
But I would lean toward the Dare, too, personal. And we
did price fights with the Dare and a bunch of other
phones as well. Okay, let's take this question. This
is Vic7vic78 again. How is the Blackberry Curve. Well,
the Curve has been out for a while.
>> Yeah. I think the Curve is pretty good across the
board. It's with a lot of carriers now. Some of the
features vary just a little bit, design varies just a
little bit. But I think it's one of the better
Blackberries out there.
>> I mean, it has a great rating by CNET. Everyone that
has used a Curve loves a Curve. I don't find too many
people that don't enjoy it. And they know that we're
getting into with the quarter keyboard and what not.
>> Yeah. And it has a full keyboard, so it's really
traditional Blackberry in the sense of the design, has
all the traditional Blackberry features. So really, it
is a Blackberry. A good Blackberry, and one of our
>> Okay, excellent. Now this question is from
hiphopforprez, and this question asks hey, what's up
fellas. I just wanted to know if you saw the Nokia N 97
and what were your initial thoughts about it. Well
neither of us have seen it because it's over in
>> And yeah, are we going to Barcelona in February to go
to GSMA, but didn't make it over to Nokia World. You
know, I haven't read much about it yet. I think that it
looks pretty -- it looks interesting. Of course, it's
$700 or something like that.
>> And one of the main things with a phone like this is
seeing if they're going release a U.S. version and how
much it will be in the U.S., and which carrier will pick
it up. I mean, those all are factors that are going to
influence you on whether or not to pick it up. To me,
when I first saw it, it looks like a Tilt.
>> Yeah, it does look a little like the Tilt, and maybe
the [Inaudible] X 1 as well. Certainly has a lot. You
know, it has the engaged gaming platform, the music
store, the maps, HSDPA. So it could -- it could work.
If it came to the U.S. it could work with AT&T because
it has the necessary 3G bands. It is a world phone, it
has -- it looks pretty slick and flashy, I have to say I
like the design. I like sort of how it tilts up. I
like the full physical keyboard. Looks a little like
other devices, as we've said. But I don't know. We'll
have to see. I definitely would like to see it
face-to-face. Hopefully we'll get to do that at
[Inaudible] this year, or maybe in Barcelona or CTI next
>> One thing, at least in the phone world that hasn't --
no one also really mastered it yet -- at least to me --
is the combination of a touch-screen and a keyboard.
I've yet to see a phone that I could say this is the
>> Yeah, that's a good point. I think the X 1,
[Inaudible] X 1 came close to that. But the
touch-screen is great. But there are some people that
still want that full physical keyboard. So this might
be a way to do it.
>> And as usually, I mean, a lot of it, again, comes
down to the software and then the navigation of it. So
>> And it's great, because it has a lot of multimedia
features, it has a 5 mega pixel camera, and 32 gigs of
on-board memory, which is quite a lot.
>> Yeah, that's hefty.
>> And another 16 gigs through memory card. So --
>> More than the iPhone. Okay, here we go. This
question is from JensVW. What would you suggest in
place of a Storm. I purchased a Storm and it is
sluggish and resets itself at least once a day. That
sucks. I'm sorry about that.
>> That's not good.
>> Let's see, [Inaudible] she's on the Verizon carrier
if she's using the Storm. So any suggestions you
>> That depends really on what you want. If you want a
Blackberry-type device that will really integrate with
your e-mail and will be sort of a business device, then
there's not a lot that is on the Verizon side that has a
touch-screen, and it has that full -- has that kind of
interface that you find on the Storm. The Omnia, you
could look at that. There are -- and then of course if
you wanted to just go with a Blackberry, [Inaudible]
many Blackberries that actually don't have the Storm's
touch-screen. And then of course there's the Dare and
there's a couple other things on Verizon that have the
touch-screen. So it really depends on what you want.
If multimedia is your thing, then you don't need to
necessarily go that Blackberry route. But if you want
e-mail, you want work functionality, then you probably
need to stick with that Blackberry route, I think.
>> Okay. Cool. Now we have a bunch of videos that we
wanted to show you guys. So we're going it take a quick
little break. This is actually a video -- it's a Prize
Fight between the HTC Touch Diamond and the Samsung
Omni, I believe. So why don't you guys take a look at
that, we'll be back. Maybe you guys can give us your
comments and then we'll take a whole load of your
questions, but we'll be back in a few minutes.
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>> What's up, Prize Fight fans. I'm Brian Tom and we're
taking cell phones with extraordinary cameras and
throwing them into the Prize Fight ring. In this week's
Prize Fight, it's a brawl between the 5 mega pixel
Motorola Z N 5 and the 8 mega pixel Samsung Innovate.
Our judges for this fight are senior editor Ken Sherman,
associate editor Nicole Lee, and yours truly. Now to
score this we'll take the average of all three judges'
scores for each round using decimals rounded to the
nearest tenth of a point. The final Prize Fight score
will be an average of all five rounds. You know we like
the lookers. In round one, who brings the sexy. The
Motorola ZM 5 has a basic, simple look. But more
importantly, it's a real slender profile. The Samsung
Innovate has a larger screen and its more stylish. But
it's thicker and a little clunky. Our judges give the
ZM 5 the edge with a 4, and the Innovate gets a 3.6.
Next round is navigation. The ZM 5 has a real simple
interface, and the keys are spread out, even if they are
a little slick. They also have the camera controls
placed in between the keys. Now, the Innovate has an
interface that is a little more tricky to navigate, and
the optical mouse feature can be inconsistent to use.
The camera controls are straight forward, since they
aren't squished between other keys. This one is too
close to declare a winner. Both phones get a 4. Now
let's average the first two rounds, and the ZM 5
currently leads 4 to 3.8. Next up, features. The
Motorola ZM 5 isn't a 3G phone, but it does have Wi-Fi
and serial Bluetooth. There's also an FM radio, but the
web browser is pretty lame. Now the Samsung Innovate
brings 3G Wi-Fi and stereo Bluetooth. And it also has
GPS, Google Services, and a little better web browsing
experience. The Innovate takes this round with a 4.6
and the ZM 5 gets a 4. The focus on this Prize Fight is
about the cameras. Round Four is all about camera
features and photo quality. Motorola's partnership with
Kodak shows on this phone. The 5 mega pixel pictures
look rich and crisp. You'll get a Zenon flash and a
wide range of editing features. Plus Wi-Fi up loading
to Kodak. Now the Innovate takes great pictures with
its 8 mega pixel camera, but it just doesn't blow the ZM
5 out of the water. Its pictures were vibrant, and it's
dual LED Flash does the job, but it's no Zenon. This is
another round that's just too close to call. Both
phones get a 4.6. Now after four rounds we're tied with
an average of 4.2 for both phones. The final round that
decides it all is call quality. Both phones were tested
on the T-Mobile network, so who is bringing home the
bacon. Now the ZM 5 had a great clean and natural
sound, and it definitely lived up to its crystal talk
technology, even if I had an audio hiccup. The Innovate
sounded solid and I also had a couple hiccups, but it
doesn't just have the same clean sound. This round goes
to the ZM 5 with a 4.6, and the Innovate gets a 3.6. So
let's average all five rounds for the final score, and
in a battle where we were tied going into the final
round the Motorola ZM 5 edges out the Samsung Innovate
4.2 to 4.1. Now I've never seen one this close, but the
design and the superior call quality of the ZM 5 makes
it your price fight winner. I'm Brian Tom and thanks
for watching, and we'll catch you guys next time on
another Prize Fight.
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>> Okay, well I guess that Prize Fight was actually our
Prize Fight between two camera phones. The Motorola ZM
5 and the -- what was that other guy?
>> The Innovate?
>> Yes, the Innovate. Yes, the Samsung Innovate. I
know, obviously we were looking at your questions while
watching the video. So we're going to jump right back
into those and we'll start off -- this is one that we
like because, you know, we don't always get to the
[Inaudible] where it is. All right, here we go. This
is from Jeff Lawford, and he asks what do you not like
about the Apple iPhone 3G. Please list the cons, if you
can. For example, battery life and whatever else.
>> If we can?
>> Yeah, if we're allowed to. There's plenty.
>> God, the thing that I don't like -- the things I
don't like about the iPhone 3G. Well, there is the
battery life. It depletes quickly under -- under heavy
use. More than other 3G phones I've used. Only last a
day, actually, if you're using the screen a lot. Really
should last longer. 3G connection, and I know this is
partially an AT&T thing -- can be shaking and will
happen with other phones. But I think the iPhone tends
to have a 3G -- it is getting better, but have a shakier
3G connection than other 3G phones with AT&T I've seen.
Really lacks basic features that you find on other cell
phones. And I know this is Apples thing of just saying
here's what we think you need and you're going to have
it. But like the multimedia messaging, like the voice
dialing, and I got hounded for this a couple of weeks
when the recent software update came in, and I commented
on voice dialing. And someone said there's an app that
does that. And my thing is that app is not made by
Apple, it's not controlled by Apple, it could break, it
could crash your phone, and it's -- you're dependent on
a third party. Really, the iPhones just should have
voice dialing. This is a silly thing, but if you've
ever been on a plane with an iPhone, trying to watch a
movie [Inaudible] -- [ Laughter ]
>> You're always like, yeah -- trying to balance it.
>> Actually, I take my Bose head set speaker case and
then I make it an L, and then I wedge my iPhone in
between, like, where the ears kind of are, and stand it.
That's my stand.
>> But it should have one. I think those basic features
are my biggest thing. I look at other phones, really
basic phones, and they come with multimedia messaging --
>> Core features.
>> -- they come with the Bluetooth -- stereo Bluetooth.
They come with all those things, they come with video
recording, and it's just all these things that the
iPhone should have. I mean, the iPhone does certain
things very, very well. It's not the best phone in the
world if you just strip out everything else and you just
use it as a phone. I think the e-mail syncing could be
a little cleaner. There's a few things, I think.
>> Yeah, for me personally, using it on a day-to-day
basis, when they released the new update, the 2.2, it
didn't do anything to enhance my experience at all.
Like, I thought, Google Street View, I've said it
before, like, so many times. People don't go to a
location and then pull up Google Street View to confirm.
It's like more of a fun thing once in a while, to goof
around with. And it didn't add any value to me. It's a
multimedia phone, they need to give us multimedia
messaging. I mean, this is the most multimedia rich
phone we've seen, other than the fact that it doesn't
have a great camera on it, and it just needs to support
multimedia messaging, because these things are
everywhere. I mean, how many times -- and especially
when you get a multimedia message and then it becoming
this link to a web page and you have to type in this
cryptic, alpha numeric user name and password. I mean,
that drives me crazy. So I think more than everything
I'd love -- I want multimedia messaging on the phone. I
can't control the fact that it doesn't have as great of
a camera as other phones. It's pretty on the low end to
>> And the landscape keyboard, it wracked my brain about
how I can have a landscape keyboard when typing in an
URL, but I can't have a landscape keyboard when typing
an e-mail or a text message. That's really frustrating.
>> And again, there is a third party solution that,
again, you know, Apple should have it just built in, but
for those of you who aren't familiar with it, we
showcase it on the Apple -- it's called Fire Mail, it's
free, but it does enable you do landscape e-mails, and
it's so much nicer. And works and it's free. So try it
out, but again, it should be something that's built in.
>> Do you ever hold it and type with two hands. Do you
ever hold it vertically and type with two hands?
>> I have to. I have to. I mean, that's -- I just --
>> I don't know --
[ Multiple voices speaking ]
>> Maybe. I have too big hands. I don't know.
>> People that don't like touch-screen keyboards, I
would say playing with other phones, the software that
they built for the touch-screen keyboard is the -- in my
opinion -- is the most responsive and learns the best.
Adapts very well. It's not perfect, but I've had the
most success with this. So there's plenty of things not
to like. Battery life. Really, if you use your phone
as a calling phone, the cat library life drains like a
mother on iPhone, specifically. If I take, basically,
somewhere in the middle of the day like a 30 to 40
minute call, my phone will guaranteed be out of battery
around 7 o'clock. If I have little baby calls and
spread them out through the day, I'll get through of the
night. But again, like not, you know, there are people
who are using this for --
>> [Inaudible] turn the 3G off, but then you slow down
your connection, of course.
>> Which takes away the use of the whole point of the 3G
phone. So I think we bitched enough, you think?
>> I think so.
>> I guess we should move on. Okay, here we go. Here's
a question from Brian Lonea [Phonetic], the question is
I have the Nokia E 71. Any app web site or any
must-have app I think I should have. Personally, I
don't have one and I haven't messed with the apps.
>> No, I'm sorry. I don't know of one I'd recommend
either. I haven't really used a whole lot on that
phone. Bonnie might know. So if you e-mail Bonnie that
she might have a recommendation.
>> Yeah, and also since Jessica Dulkort [Phonetic] does
our mobile software slot she might be a good resource to
>> Probably is a better resource than Bonnie, but she
can -- they look at Nokia apps all the time, so they can
help you out.
>> Okay, excellent. Ghildree [Phonetic] asks can I have
a job. Unfortunately I don't have a job to give you.
>> No. Sorry.
>> I'm happy that I have a job right now. Okay, here we
go. What -- let's see. Let's try and get some other
questions in here. Okay, this is kind of another one.
This is from Julian007 -- and little bond fan action
there -- what advantage does the T-Mobile G1 have over
the iPhone 3G.
>> Well, I think a few. I think that the 3G connection,
3G network, at least T-Mobile's is a little faster than
what we've been using. Didn't you guys do a side by
side test on it?
>> Yeah. And we did a Prize Fight on it. I think
bottom line to me it's the potential of the G1 platform.
And that sounds silly, because right now, clearly, it
needs to get there. But that's really the biggest
advantage that I see on the G1 phone.
>> It has a few -- G1 has a few of the basic features
that we mentioned earlier that the iPhone lacks. And I
really -- I think I agree, Brian. But the sense is the
G1, what's really exciting about it in its current form,
you know, the design isn't that great, it's kind of
clunky, it's kind of ugly. But I think the potential of
the android platform is really great. Because even
though Apple took away the control from the carrier how
[Inaudible] done with the iPhone, how usually carriers
control the phones and they say here's what goes in it,
here's how its going look. And Apple is doing that with
the iPhone, there's still one person controlling the
phone and what's going to be on it. You know, they
decide which apps get approved, how you use it. With
the G1, it's about anyone can go in and build an app,
and anyone can go in and use the way they want. And I
think that's what's most exciting about it. And it's
biggest advantage right now is it really represents a
different way to look at cell phones and how to use
>> Without a doubt. Okay, here's a quick question. I
found this one kind of funny. Pat Gamer [Assumed
spelling] asks which phone do you keep your pocket in.
>> I -- I -- if I'm wearing a coat, inside. If I'm
wearing jeans, I guess in just a pocket in front. I
don't know. If I'm wearing shorts, maybe a pocket on
the side. Who knows.
>> I can tell if you know me -- clearly, it's in my left
pocket because my phone is actually worn -- out a whole,
a depression, where my phone is normally, in each pair
>> Is that the iPhone?
>> Yes. That is the iPhone --
>> I was going say please don't tell me you use a belt
holster, Brian. If you tell me that --
>> That is -- I'm not going hate on [Inaudible] -- [
Multiple voices speaking ]
>> Half the people who are watching are going just turn
this off when you're ripping on belt holsters. I agree.
That's totally geeky. Like, put it in your pocket,
right? What if -- are you a hater on the belt holsters.
>> Not if of the phone is very big. But if it's a
little Nokia, I'm like, huh. [ Laughter ]
>> Then it's like [Inaudible] but yeah, I keep mine in
my pocket. And that's actually another reason why I
don't like my phone. It formed a hole in my pants.
Maybe I should wear looser jeans. That may be the
larger issue at hand. Let's go here -- here's a
question. Do you have -- oops, sorry. Do you have any
pay as you go phones that you recommend giving as a
first mobile phone.
>> Yeah. There are quite a few decent pay as you go
phones out there. Depends on which carrier you want to
go to. There's Virgin Mobile of course, there's the
[Inaudible] and the region carriers that have that. Or
specialty carriers that only do pay as you go. And then
AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon -- Verizon's de-emphasizing
theirs more these days, but they have pay as you go
phones as well. You know, I think anything -- we review
most of them, as we can. I think mostly you get a basic
Nokia, they're pretty reliable most of the time. A few
of the kyoceras with Virgin Mobile are pretty reliable.
Virgin Mobile tends to have higher-functioning pay as
you go phones, maybe with a full quarter keyboard or
resolution camera or even 3G. But if you go to -- if
you go to our top five cell phones list and look at the
individual carrier list, like, top Verizon phones, top
AT&T phones, we always list at least one in there that's
just totally a basic phone that you can usually just go
with a prepaid service. So definitely, there's a lot of
options out there. I think Nokia is a decent brand to
stick with, as I said. Kyocera most of the time. And I
look at definitely Virgin Mobile. They have a pretty
>> Okay, here we go. Let's go with this question from
Shawn1190. What would be the best phone from AT&T to
buy as a gift besides, of course, the iPhone 3G. And
whenever we see these questions it really comes down to
how you're going use your phone or who are you going to
get it for. Business user, I mean --
>> It's really about what you -- what exactly you're
going use it for and what the person wants out of their
phone. The Blackberry Bold is a great example. That
would be a great gift. If you wanted something -- if
you're buying it for someone who really wants that
Blackberry functionality. I think the View is probably
a decent choice, the W 76 A which we mentioned, which is
one of our top picks for the holiday guide that we
mentioned earlier. And then if you want just a basic
phone the Pantech Breeze isn't a bad option. Simple,
reliable, works well, and just makes calls. Some
people, you know, they want that. Really, it's about
what you want. I tend to think of people in three
categories. There's the business, there's the
multimedia, there's maybe just the simple camera phone,
and then there's the basic phone. So think about what
you want there and then make your selection.
>> Okay, and since we're hitting 12 we'll wrap up with
this last question. The question is from Julian. What
kind of phone do each of you have. I'm rocking the
iPhone rights now. So that's -- there you go. For me.
>> I flip between the iPhone for work, e-mail. And then
I have a Nokia Express music phone.
>> So, see, you could basically use almost any phone you
want because -- whenever I go into your office you have,
like, you always have different new phones like, you
know, you just collected these four. And there's plenty
more on his desk. And they're all ready to roll because
they're review units. They have all the features
unlocked. They have access to all, you know, the GPS,
the [Inaudible] different phones have, they're totally
unlocked for you guys to just go wild.
>> Most of the time they're unlocked. A lot of time
when we get an AT&T or T-Mobile, you know, they're
always locked to that carrier. But we have -- [
Multiple voices speaking ]
>> But -- well, that's one thing that's actually hard to
decide. There's just too many of them. Someone always
says, well what's the next coolest thing. And I have no
idea. Because I saw, you know, I saw something last
week that was cool, but I know the life -- the product
life of cell phones is so short, there's always
something coming new, it's difficult to say this is what
I love right now and that's what I'm going use right
now. So I just switch around. If I get something in,
you know, I try to use it as my own phone for a period
to really test it out and see what it's like. So --
>> Okay, you know what, I kind of like this last
question because maybe you can get your thoughts on it.
This question is from -- this is the last one for the
day, guys, and thanks, we had tons of them. But we
weren't able to answer all of them. This is from
Mssdds1. I don't hear anything about the Palm phones
from Verizon. Are they out classed by the Blackberry.
>> Not necessarily. There is the Palm Centro from
Verizon. That's one of the more current ones. The
Centro we call a beginning smart phone.
>> Kind of --
[ Multiple voices speaking ]
>> I just think that right now it's just there's a lot
more Blackberries out there, you know, Palm is a little
bit on shaky times.
>> And they haven't really evolved -- you know, their
products haven't continued to evolve with the times.
>> Yeah. And they haven't, you know, Palm hasn't really
come out -- you know, the Centro is really their newest,
greatest -- newest thing they've done in the last couple
of years. But that was really based on previous models.
They haven't really come out and said, you know, here's
something fleet completely new and completely different.
Here's what it is. So, I think with the Palm and
Verizon, it's not necessarily that they just don't have
good enough products, they just don't have enough right
now. And they just haven't done a lot new. The Centro
is definitely there, though, and if you're looking for a
starter smart phone, Centro is a good option.
>> Okay, excellent. Well, Ken, thanks for coming out.
>> As usually, KG always dropping the knowledge for you
guys. Now next week, Tuesday, because we're doing this
Editor's Office Hours thing once a week now, it's always
going to be Tuesday, 11:30 a.m. west coast, 2:30 p.m.
east coast time. Donald Bell is going to be here, he's
going to be talking about MP3 players, iPods, iTunes,
he's done a bunch of videos on how to work your iPod in
different ways, and on top of that he's a big Zoom guy.
We just recently did a Prize Fight that you guys will
see in about a week between a Zoom and the classic iPod.
I don't know what you guys -- who you think is going to
win. I already know, because I'm doing the video this
week. But we'll see you guys, thanks for coming out,
and we'll catch you later on the Editor's Office Hours.
>> See you later.
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