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Farsighted looks at Elon Musk's plan to make us cyborgs, and 'Cyborg' on the big screen (Farsighted)The crew discusses Neuralink, which will pursue a brain-machine mind meld, as well as which superhero franchises most excite and frustrate us.
[NOISE] [MUSIC] And welcome to Farsighted, it's CNET's show about That was coming next tomorrow and way way beyond tomorrow. I am your host, Eric Mac in New Mexico, and I'm joined in the studio there in San Fransisco by Bonnie Burton. Hello. Chelsea Adams, Jeff Sparkman And Steven Beecham behind the controls. So coming up today a little later on in the show we're gonna discuss the DC and Marvel TV shows and movie trailers that have us either all hyped or Hitting our heads against our desks in the case of some of us [LAUGH] in certain shows. We're gonna be talking about Spiderman Homecoming, Justice League, Netflix Iron Fist and the Flash, just to name a few. It's quite the roller coaster. If you wanna join in the conversation, the chat rooms are live on YouTube. Tube and also on live stream. You can also send us a Tweet with the @farsighted, and we'll keep an eye for that as well. But to start, Elon Musk, one of our favorite human superheroes or mortal superheroes, we don't even know. You might not be real. He might be a hologram. [LAUGH] But he He has launched yet another far out business. This time it's Neurolink which aims to meld our minds with our machines. Now the ultimate concept is something that Musk has called the neural lace. Which is, okay, well let's just listen to how Musk himself described it at the Code Conference last year. But what's the solution? Yeah, so, I think the. [BLANK_AUDIO] I think it's to essentially I think one of the solutions. The solution that seems maybe the best one is to have an AI layer. If you think about you've got your limbic system, your cortex, and then a digital layer. A sort of a third layer above the cortex that Could work well and symbiotically with you. I mean just as your cortex works symbiotically with your limbic system, sort of a third digital layer could work symbiotically with the rest you. This is something that's surgically inserted, or bred into the species, or what? That the fundamental limitation is input-output. So we, we already have, we're already a cyborg. It's just that, I mean you have digital version of yourself or partial version of yourself online in the form of your emails and your social media and all the things that you do. And you have basically superpowers with your computer and your phone and the applications that are there. You have more power than the president of the United States had twenty years ago. You can answer any question. You can videoconference with anyone anywhere. You can send a message to millions of people instantly. [BLANK_AUDIO] You just do incredible things, and [BLANK_AUDIO] but the constraint is input, output. So we're io bound, particularly output bound. Your output level is so low, particularly on a phone, your two thumbs just sort of tapping away. This is ridiculously slow. So you get the idea of what he's saying there. You know, when he said, digital layer, I thought he meant, l a i r and I'm like, yeah. Yeah, I want a digital lair [LAUGH] Yeah, like the. New Justice League trailer showed us the Flash is layered as all these screens of TV and who knows, half of them are probably porn. But I was just like digital layer, I can deal with that, but then immediately when it's like surgically implanted I'm like no. I can't even get a root canal. I think you're being thrown off by how much he looks like John [UNKNOWN]. [LAUGHS] Okay, see I was thinking that as soon as he came on. I'm like, " wait, I just watched a movie..." I don't know if you...when he's posed that question, do you think he was just making that up on the spot? Because his eyes were going all over the place. And he was stalling, he was stalling quite a bit. I'm like that...when you're a genius, either your mind is going so fast that you can't keep up with it Or, in his case, he just can make stuff up on the fly that sounds okay, we could do that. I don't know. Well there's the thing. They get between saying we're cyborgs because we have online personalities. Right. And actually suggesting that you can implant stuff in the brain. Erik? Yeah yeah I mean. He goes on to say there and by the way I can't tell if he's search for words or if he's like is this going to sound too crazy for this stage? But I mean he goes on to actually say you don't have to have. Surgery we can basically do nano bots in the blood stream and they'll go attach to your neurons and then they'll form this digital layer in your brain. It's like he's never seen a sci-fi movie. [LAUGH] Like just because, I'm thinking of like 12 movies where we've already been warned not to do any of this. [LAUGH] Well no, see this is actually, this is his ending to the sci-fi movie in his head. [LAUGH] Because at the beginning Walt Mossberg asks what's the solution, and that's because they had been talking about what do we do about artificial intelligence. That becomes much smarter than us, how do we address it? So this is actually Elon Musk trying to come up with a solution to keep us smart enough to keep up with artificial intelligence. [CROSSTALK] And in case they enslave the human race we need to be able to battle them with our cyborg abilities right? No, like, that's literally what he's talking about. [LAUGH] It's actually that crazy. And all I keep thinking is internet of thing, so anytime that we are, the more cyborg we are, the more hackable we are so we might not have control over our own brains. So I could stand around my kitchen shouting at my son Echo in my head. Yeah. Yeah. So what he's talking about is I mean, if we're worried about Skynet taking over, then this gives us a way that we can also at least tap into Skynet. [LAUGH] I mean, that's what it is. Yeah, but this company of his is a real thing and they are working on actual technology, right? Yeah. I mean there are medical implications of controlling- Right, so. So the first applications for the company are actually a lot more reasonable, which is based probably like actually surgical implants that help you control things like epilepsy and even perhaps major depression. And that's It's kind of not that far removed from shock treatment, but perhaps it's the more humane 21st century of that. But with a lot of things that Musk has done, it starts out with something reasonable like I wanna build cheaper rockets to resupply the International Space Station, So that I can have a legitimate business to serve my ultimate dream of building a million person colony on Mars. So it's like the same thing here with [INAUDIBLE] Well, we're gonna treat epilepsy and these other neurological disorders. So I can get a foot hold in this business, so that then we can fight AI. I mean that's- Yeah, I mean it'll be interesting to see if big pharma is replaced by big Computers. It'll be interesting to see okay, how much are people gonna be willing to have nanobots, and metal, and electronics put into them as opposed to chemicals But then again, pacemakers are people have been wearing those forever. I mean people have these technologies that have been around that were groundbreaking at the time and now they're just so kind of passe. Maybe I'm just overreacting a little bit but I don't know. I'm hopeful that we can move away from chemical treatments and maybe something more to bioengineering and genetics. But then that opens up a whole other wormhole of what's ethical and what's not as far as what are we doing to our bodies and what are we doing to unborn children that haven't even existed yet. Cuz now you can just pick one out of a catalog, depending on How much money you have, so. Right I mean my mom doesn't trust PayPal. [LAUGH] So if she doesn't Elon Musk's payments company, I don't think she;s gonna trust the brain company. [LAUGH] Right? And if anything's hackable who knows what could happen to us. Right. Yeah the implications are kind of insane. And the other thing is I don't, I still can't, it makes a certain amount of sense when he talks about, well we just need, To replace the mouse and the keyboard, which are to slow to input with our brain. We just need to use our brain as an input. That makes, kinda, a certain amount of sense, but what are the actual applications? Do you feel like he just, Degenerative diseases, for one thing. Yeah, definitely. Like diseases. I just feel like he just watched Johnny Mnemonic and then just said, "I could do that." Like he just read a bunch of William Gibson's books and was like, "Yeah, I could totally do that" and not even taking into account like, all brains are not the same; there's diseases; what does that imply for people with mental illnesses; what does that imply for, I mean theres so many different reasons not to do that. But what were you going to say Kelsey? I'm sorry. No, I was just saying the case of degenerative diseases as being people who might benefit from being able to directly change things with their minds rather than their hands. Right. I see, right. It'd be cool if you could download these abilities that he's talking about, like you would an app. So the people would just be trying out different things like maybe you try out Snapchat, or you try out Instagram, [CROSSTALK] So now we're in Matrix. Then you're gonna try out like the ability to do Kung Fu. Yeah. Or Jujitsu or something like that. Sorry, man, my sense of humor's in Bailey right now. [LAUGH] [CROSSTALK] If you don't like the app, you just delete it, get it out of your system, whatever. And then get some- Yeah, the idea of being able to download an app into my brain so I can speak French fluently, while doing my taxes, and also putting together my own spaceship would be great. Yeah, except it would end up being after three French phrases you gotta sit there and watch an ad. [LAUGH] Yeah I know right, exactly I keep thinking every time you download a new app that's buggy what would that mean if it's buggy in your brain? What does that, do you have to sit in a corner? It may cause you to piss your own pants. Yeah is it gonna be the Olestra of apps? [LAUGH] > Right. Totally. [LAUGH] I don't know. I mean, I don't want to nay-say it cuz I like the idea of tech, where I have to do as little work as possible also to be smarter. Well, yeah. Anything that makes me feel smarter or more intellectual instantly, I'm totally down for. But- I think if you just start with something simple like. The remote to your TV, just being able to just, you know- Yeah. change channels just by thinking about it. Yeah! That'd be great. Yeah. Cuz I always lose the remote, you know? I do too. You don't wanna have to get up to look for it. Right. I mean you could use- I've been so lazy- So lazy that I lost the remote to my TV and then just downloaded the app. I downloaded, I did too. Yeah. No, there's a great article on c|net, 'What to do when you lose your Apple TV app', and I have that bookmarked, because I lose it all the time, so its that. I did end up finding it though. I mean, that And you still can do some control things, some activated things, you don't necessarily need to have an Apple TV remote control inserted into your brain. But I mean I do like the idea of instant Expertise, the only problem with that is then you lose the art form, you have to do 10,000 hours to master something, you lose the you've got cred cuz you did the work. I was gonna say also this was gonna cost a lot of people their jobs, like if you don't need a CPA to do your taxes all of the sudden cuz you just download an app into your brain. Then, there's not gonna be any CPAs working professionally anymore and that goes for doctors too. Well, we used to. I heard like Amazon Alexa launched a new doctor on there so you could just talk to her and stuff, so. Yeah. No. That's such a bad idea. Any of us that have like, looked at WebMD as soon as we get the sniffles and then we end the night thinking we've got the rare virus. "You have: The Bubonic Plague." Like, Yeah, I thought I had a flu Flesh eating disease for a while and I realize no I just got bit by a flea, like you don't want too much computer knowledge in your brain making you more paranoid. And seriously get back to me when the Echo is actually capable of playing a song that you own by request every time because they aren't even at that level yet. Really I haven't tried that one. Yeah no I have one and it's adorable, I'm very fond of it but. As a speaker? No. Yeah. I mean we want all this advanced tech but we still have to prefect the tech we've got so, I mean kudos to Elon Musk for thinking that whether it was on the fly that he thought that up or he actually is trying to make this happen but I don't necessarily want to be the guinea pig for the mind implant- [LAUGH] For Tesla brain. Yeah I mean when your body rejects something. Imagine your body rejected that. If it went bad, it would go bad [INAUDIBLE] I wrote an article for CNET a few years ago about German bio-hackers that were puting those chips in their wrists so they wouldn't have to carry a key card around at work. So they could just open doors. They could go to certain places. I've been tempted to do that with my clipper card, just going on [UNKNOWN], just like- Yeah. Even just taping it to my arm, so I don't have to- Well, the clipper card thing, we did the article about the metro, the fingernails in [UNKNOWN] did a fingernails that you could apply that had, or there are version of clipper card which would be It was not MetroCard, but whatever is in the UK, the Oyster card, and it worked. The only problem is what if one of your finger nails falls off? Yeah. Then someone has your Oyster card. It's always happening too. Yeah, well, it's like- [CROSSTALK] Like if you're [CROSSTALK] It's like Lee Presson Nails. Yeah, yeah. For those who grew up in the 80s but there's different bio hacks that you can do now. There just a little more Painful than they think. [LAUGH] Like I don't know if I would want to put a security card from work as a chip in my wrist because if it got infected or I don't know it just seems like over the top. But people are already Doing biohacking, so it's not necessarily a brand new idea. Imagine all the excuses on Twitter if people could be hacked, like I'm sorry, somebody- Yeah. Forced me to drunk Tweet last night. Yeah, that was totally not me. I had nothing to do with that. [LAUGH] Well if hackers can ransom your computer Computers, they could definitely ransom every part of you, if you are hackable. So, I mean pacemakers already are hackable. So, who knows what that could mean if they could hack the nanobots running through your bloodstream. So, I'm sure there's many Sci-Fi movies already in the works about that. Yeah. Let's see how far we are. Alexa. Can you read my mind? No apparently not. You see she's completely unreliable. Wasn't there a CIA story going around where you could ask Alexa CIA questions and all of a sudden she would come up with these weird theories and then everyone was panicking that Maybe it was like a Cancer Man situation. [LAUGH] I mean, they could only do so much but if I was a programmer that programmed Alexa I would so many wierd Easter eggs that the minute someone asked one question, that seemed harmless, all of a sudden you download everything. If I sneeze, and Alexa says God bless you, I'm gonna be freaked out. Yeah, right? [CROSSTALK] I can't really tell anymore where the line is between what Elon Musk can do and what is actually fiction in his head anymore. Maybe Alexa knows. But maybe we should just move on to fiction ourselves. `>> Yay! That wasn't a segue. I was supposed to say something about cyborgs. [LAUGH] Right. Right. You don't have to say it. `>> I blew it. I blew the segue. [LAUGH] So cyborgs are, which movie is that in? That's in- All of them. Justice League. Justice League. Right. Right. So that was one thing that we were Particularly excited about. You know what? I haven't [CROSSTALK] Were we, though? Were we? [LAUGH] You guys, what are you most excited about, or frustrated about all the shows these days? I did the shot by shot dissection of this for CNet, and the more I watched it, the more I was annoyed. I love me some Aquaman, trust me. The original Aquaman is a freaking dork in the comics and animated series, so I'm glad that Is now a hot dude that saves sailors, throws them on a table in a bar and drinks beer. Okay we don't have to keep. Off that train of thought, moving. [LAUGH] Yeah so that's Wonder Woman. I love Wonder Woman. But Affleck. There we go, there we go. I mean is that not an Axe commercial? That's an Axe commercial. It's on him. Organic and bionic body points. There's a Cyborg. Yeah, there's a Cyborg. That's his actually his name, by the way. There's his digital lair. Whoever you're looking for, it's not me. [MUSIC] Shall we It's good to see you, Wayne- So- Oops. [UNKNOWN] others again. Just like a bat. I dig it. Maybe temporary. Yeah. [LAUGH] [MUSIC] I will say Aquaman car surfing is pretty [LAUGH] [LAUGH] [UNKNOWN] I mean, here's the problem I've had with DC for a while now is that I feel like they're almost trying a little too hard To just throw everything at the wall to see what sticks. And some things are great. I cannot wait for Wonder Woman. I think they may actually have done Wonder Woman right. And I can't wait for a lot of these stand alone movies, like the Aquaman movie I think is gonna be great. But Just, there's just certain moments like, a person that's mostly a Marvel fan, I like that they do crossover with same actors. I like that there's a canon, there's a continuity to it. I like that Agents of Shield has shout outs and guest stars from actual actors in the movies, and there's crossover, and they It's like everyone talks to each other with DC I feel like everyone's all in different buildings not talking to each other, and you don't have that, like I love Flash the TV series. I do not understand why they didn't use the same actor. I do not understand why they didn't continue it, like have it be the same. Having Billy [UNKNOWN] as prison dad. And having the hand on the glass thing. Which by the way is creepy when it's father-son hands on the glass at prison, that's not what that means. Having Amy Adams look up at the sky, cuz Superman's not in this trailer at all. I mean he's supposedly in this movie, so having her just look up at the sky longingly I guess that's her Superman reference for this trailer. It's just, It's hard for me to separate. Also, we've had so many actors play Batman at this point. That it's just having Affleck, I feel like he's flavor of the week and he's not gonna do it anymore. So. Did Affleck have a Batman movie himself? It's always been Superman or someone else is in it, right? Didn't he have one by himself? No, not yet. Not yet. He hasn't. No. I think that was interesting- But he's not going to. He's not. I don't think he is. Yeah, I don't think he is. Yeah, so to me as a fan of super heroes I want there to be more continuity. I want there to be, but again DC's always been problematic for me, so maybe I'm just dated. If you guys are pro DC, then- Well I No go ahead. No, you. I've just always been a DC guy more than a Marvel guy but I've just really not enjoyed like any of the movies. Which I may have mentioned once or twice On the show. [LAUGH] But they're really committed to this Dark Knight. Yeah, I just like, you know,- It must be very serious and somber and everything's grey. Yeah, it's like, I'm color blind, but like throw me a little color, you know? [LAUGH] Yeah, also it's like, I feel like, [LAUGH] just Batman is almost like, thrown out too many dad jokes. Like I feel like he thinks he's funny, but he's not. And then he's overly serious, and the more he tries to be gloom and doom the more hilarious it is, cuz it's Affleck. [LAUGH] And God save it, I mean I really liked, I actually liked his Daredevil, before we got the Daredevil Marvel TV series. I am one of the few Few people that actually liked the Daredevil movie. Yes, you are. I thought it was terrible. [LAUGH] Terrible. And I mean, again, so I don't know if you should trust my judgment. So I don't know. When I was watching, there were so many moments in the trailer, where I was kinda snarked it. Like I gave it objectivity for CNET sake so if you look at the gallery I'm not throwing in my two cents and I love that there's Amber Herd's in there for like three seconds, I like that there's different shout outs to the comics. So this movie's going to be interesting it's just. I don't know how much more stuff they're gonna throw at it that we haven't seen in the trailer. Like is there gonna be a Lex Luthor moment. Is there gonna be all the bad guys thrown at the wall as well. So it just becomes the lollapalooza of DC. Yeah don't these ensemble super hero movies, don't they feel overwhelming especially when there's so many of them? Yeah I mean The Avengers on the flip side Marvel. Yeah this felt like an answer to that. Yeah it felt like an answer to The Avengers. I feel like they kind of been watching and saying all these Avenger movies are doing great so maybe we should. And then they have stand alones as well so maybe we should look at that. It's an interesting balance because on the one hand adding more and more Characters does tend to result in sort of worst movies. Like in the Batman movies, you keep needing more villains to have the same effect. You get power creep, and all that. But on the other hand, everybody does wanna see team ups. Take all the, well there's be some of this later, but the Netflix Marvel shows, I haven't genuinely enjoyed any of them, honestly. Really? Okay. But I'm still hyped for Defenders. Because The idea of seeing all these people come together sounds really cool. Yeah, Defenders and Infinity War. So, and by the way, I wrote an article today on CNET on how you can audition to be an extra for Infinity War, and they don't want any actors they want fresh blood. So if you wanna look like someone that's just about to get smashed by a superhero, [LAUGH] go to New York. Or a victim. Yeah, they're taking applications now. But, yeah, "Infinity War" and "Defenders", I feel like...I mean, I was a little...I mean, I hate to say this, but I was kind underwhelmed by "Civil War". Because it's just Marvel's "Civil War" was like [UNKNOWN]. I mean, they didn't have [UNKNOWN] have Hulk which was depressing. They didn't have enough room to do what they needed to do. Yeah, and it also felt like it was a little to, they just sped it along a little quickly, and you didn't really get invested in characters. That's what I mean. They didn't have enough time and they took up a lot of it with Spiderman which was. I mean it was one of the best parts of the movie- Yes. But it didn't actually belong in that movie. Yeah. It kept it from becoming the great Captain America movie it could have been. Right. I mean the idea of Tony Stark and Spiderman's aunt hooking up is just [LAUGH] That's a standalone movie. A lot of these moves that are like everybody's in them. They're supplicating that too with stand alones for all these characters. So we're gonna get stand alones for your favorite characters, it's just you may have to wait a while, but- Yeah, our friends in the chat room are saying there's gonna be a Batman movie directed by Matt Reeves. Okay. Coming out soon. Okay. Or not soon, but, you know in the future. With Affleck? With Affleck. Okay, okay. I stand corrected. I didn't know because I remember there was some stories hitting the wire that he said he was done with that. Yeah, there was some controversy about it. Yeah. So I don't know. Again, I think TV is a good medium if you're not gonna do a stand alone of certain characters having them have their own TV series, whether it's on Netflix, or whether it's on CW or mainstream. And that works as an interesting approach too, cuz then there's not just one movie. It's a whole season, where you really get to know the characters, like the Flash, or Legion, or Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Daredevil, and now of course, Iron Fist. Yeah, well like with the DC stuff, and it pisses me off to no end, that I've been reading About these characters my whole life practically and any time someone asks me about a movie I'm always talking smack about it and I feel like I'm not being. Do you watch any of the animated series because I feel like the animated series for DC does a really good job. And they're not just for kids I mean they're great yeah. The thing I've been trying to keep in mind for this is. It's just like when I was younger, reading the comics all the time. Sometimes you would just get an issues that just, maybe you didn't like storyline it kind of sucked or whatever, but you still like the characters. And it's like okay I can't, Can't wait until this story arc is over, and I'll wait for the next one. And you get used to that reading comics and all that. You can't be too strict about what is or isn't canon. Right, so you're just like this is kind of insane, let's see what's coming up next. And you're bound to get something that you like. It's just harder for the movies, because maybe you're like this isn't my particular cup of tea when it comes to what I would Want in a Justice League move although I'm still gonna go see it because it's still gonna be cool seeing all these guys together, I mean Cyborg's gonna be in a movie. I'm a big Teen Titan's fan I've got the whole run, I've got his first appearance, it's autographed by Marv Wolfman and George Paris. The writer and artist who created him, and so I was happy when Cyborg was on the SuperFriends for its last season, so the fact that he's in a movie it's like I've at least got that. Now if the movie's any good it's whatever, it's gonna be interesting to watch. It's just harder with the movies because Since they're so big, and it takes such a long time for them to, it's a little harder to be like well I'll wait til next time, maybe it's gonna be something that I like. Right. Whereas, with the TV show, like you were saying, it's like you might get Well, with some shows. You might get something that you're not fond of, but like, the next episode might be a little bit better. And they get a chance to grow. The Flash, when I originally started watching, I'm like, ugh, it's gonna be goody two shoes crap.>> [LAUGH] And now I like it better than Arrow. I like it better than most Shows and I mean they just did their all musical episode with Supergirl crossover which I love musical episodes of shows that don't really do musical and it ranks right up there with Once More with Feeling from Buffy the Vampire vampire slayer, so. I mean there's something that's a cool thing with superheroes, because they're on TV, because they're in movies, because they're comics and video games there's so many ways to consume it that everyone can get something out of it, it's just a matter of okay how are you going to present something that has all your favorite characters at once. And is it gonna be too much? Like defenders, is it defenders or infinity that's gonna have Guardians of the Galaxy in it, as well? I would assume Infinity. Infinity. Infinity, it's like at this point, I don't even know if they're gonna have enough running time [LAUGH] to put every single character in. And that's another thing to consider, too, is movie running times are getting longer and longer and longer. Yeah. So it's Like is this Justice League movie supposed to be super long? Is there gonna be a cute little intermission in the middle? [LAUGH] Well, it's a Zach Snyder movie, so half of it's gonna be like a slo-mo shot of somebody. It's like slow then fast. So I. Right. That tends to pad [CROSSTALK] That's true. And I should also comment that you made a good reference to the TV shows of certain characters that you'd like to see. Runaways is coming to television as well. And that's another great series where it's all these supervillians, what happens when their kids didn't know that their parents were supervillians. How do you grapple with that as a teenager and then they all kind of ran away and did their own things. So it'll be an interesting, but that's not for a while. It just seems like every week there's a new announcement of a new TV show or movie. Yeah, Inhumans and everything- Yeah. But one advantage of DC not being unified between TV and movies is it gives them more of a chance to keep, Trying different things and starting over, which, if your not loving one particular thing they're doing at least. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point, your not stuck with them for decades because were not necessarily stuck with certain Marvel characters too. There's more There can be experimentation there too. For example, Legion is supposed to be very different. I haven't seen it. But, your saying it's really [INAUDIBLE] Yeah. Yeah, Legion's different- Noah Hawly, who's the guy who did Fargo. He was basically- Fargo TV series, is basically given like a An open slate and said okay, here's a character that's Professor X's son who's schizophrenic and there's a certain amount of comics that cover this but we want you to do your own thing. And Dan Stevens plays David, who is the lead in this and You start the season. It's on FX and it's on Hulu right now, so you can watch the whole stretch if you're on Hulu or whatever. But you start out in a mental hospital. So it's a good concept of if you're a mutant, but you don't know you're a mutant. But you're also schizophrenic and you're in a mental hospital for most of your adolescence, what does that mean? What does it mean to be a mutant who doesn't know if all the voices and all the powers that you have are made up? And then they do it in such an interesting way. I call it Wes Andersen and Stanley Kubrick doing a Marvel series because it's so beautiful to watch. What show was that again? Allegiance, and it doesn't make any sense. And in fact, the season finale, which I have not seen yet, I think it aired last night, or it airs tonight, No, it aired last night. It probably brought up more questions then answers, and I'm not gonna spoil for anyone who hasn't seen it. I'm not gonna name characters, but they come to revelations of who's who, but they different mutants that they show, it's not a superhero TV series. You don't see capes. You know you don't see the typical X-Men type stuff going on. The mutant powers, you only see it in a couple of other characters but it's just very interesting how they do it. And the casting's so interesting. Jean Smart Isn't it? She plays the head of this place called Summerland which also if you google Summerland you'll find out that's the Native American name for the astral plane in afterlife. So, there's all these different things. The mental hospital's co-clock works. And you get these interesting cues to the comics. You get interesting shout outs to X Men, but they don't throw it in your face. Like they, they don't even mention Professor X, they don't even mention David's dad and the villan doesn't get mentioned till the second to last episode. It's very interesting, Aubrey Plaza should get an Emmy for her performance in this show playing one of the friends, or is it a voice, so, yeah. I don't know. You can keep talking [CROSSTALK]. Okay. No, it's like I get instantly drawn in. As you can see, very Wes Anderson coloring. [LAUGH] Yeah. I read that her role was written for like a 50 year old man, and they didn't change any of the lines. No. She just took it over, which is [CROSSTALK]. They just. She took it over, and the interesting thing is none of the actors knew it was happening from. Script to script, they were kept in the dark, except for Aubrey Plaza. She knew everything, so that makes her extra evil. As long as the viewer knows what's happening.>> Yeah, I mean Clockworks looks like a Wes Anderson musical, really. But the superpowers are amazing. You're not sure what time period you're in, cuz it feels like the 60s. Cuz everyone dresses like their in the 60s. But it's done really well. The music, the soundtrack's amazing. Like, I can not say how much I love this show. And then it's polarizing for some people cuz they want a typical superhero show. They don't want this weird LSD trip and it really is. It's an LSD Marvel Show. But I love it, and I highly recommend it. And Dan Stevens does a great job as the lead, and he's British. You probably know him from Downtown Abbey. Obviously, he's in Beauty and the Beast. I mean, he's doing really well this year. But he only speaks in an American accent and then he speaks in a British accent when there's an episode where he's talking to himself and it's his normal accent. So it's an interesting take, but I highly recommend it, you're going to get obsess with it if you like it. But it's not like the typical Marvel Netflix shows like the Iron Man, or I'm sorry, not Iron Man. Like Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones, and Daredevil. It's not like that, so you're going to, You're gonna be lost. You're gonna be Googling a lot when you watch Legion. I'm lost all the time. [LAUGH] I'm used to it. So one [CROSSTALK]. X-Men has always had as its message, basically, there's nothing wrong with you. You're just different. And the show is saying well, what if you were different and there is something wrong with you? Yeah, yeah, and there is something wrong with him. And he's not necessarily a good guy. He does bad stuff, too. And he's grappling with it cuz he's just now, as an adult, finding out I'm a mutant. But wait a minute, I'm still schizophrenic. And wait a minute, I still have all these issues. And wait a minute, should I even believe these doctors? Cuz what do you do when you're in a mental hospital where everyone's lying to you as well? So it's a very interesting story, but it's also, these characters are not typical characters. So I highly recommend it. I don't know, should we go into the Iron, I feel like we should go into Iron Fist, at some point. Well I cut Eric off, just then. So we should go to Eric. Right. Eric, I was just gonna say Bill Robeson in the chat room was asking about another trailer that just dropped this week for Valerian. Anyone familiar with that based on the graphic novel? Yeah. Yeah, yeah yeah. It's French right? Haven't read it [BLANK_AUDIO] I haven't read it, but truly it's amazing. Agent Valerian, you'll be running solo. I only work with my partner. Hi. We're a team. Go. [MUSIC] [NOISE] You're running nearly 20 minutes late. Yeah, well time flies when you're having fun. [MUSIC] [NOISE] [MUSIC] Welcome to Alfa. [MUSIC] The city of a thousand planets. I think this is a [UNKNOWN] Joint, isn't it? Yeah, it's very Fifth Elementy. Yeah, it has kind of a 21st century Terry Gilliam kind of look to it. Well, when they meet the aliens it just reminds me when they meet the aliens in Fifth Element. Yeah. In the loading dock. That's beautiful, I mean this is one of these movies you have to see in a theater. Centuries of peace and prosperity. An unknown force wants to destroy all we have created. Agents Valerian and Laureline, you have less than ten hours to find the threat and eliminate it. The dude's got boob armor too. [LAUGH] I know. [LAUGH] That's Starship Troopers. I'm all for boob armor. [MUSIC] Hey, it's equal opportunity. Finally a bra that supports something. [LAUGH] [MUSIC] The whole universe is after us. We need the two of you to be the guardians of our future. [MUSIC] [SOUND] [MUSIC] Yeah, I know nothing about this universe or this story, but I think I might go check that one out in the theaters. Yeah. [CROSSTALK] Pretty cool, yeah. Yeah, it's gorgeous, I mean here's thing is geeks, self-proclaimed geeks and comic book fans. We don't have to know everything about everything. [LAUGH] It's kinda nice to like Well, yeah, that's the fun. [CROSSTALK] Rihanna's in it. Yeah, Rihanna's in it. Come on. It's like Avatar meets Fifth Element meets Guardians of the Galaxy with some supermodels. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, definitely getting an Avatar vibe. Yeah, I totally love it. Like I'm sold, and I don't really know anything about that. And I'm already sold just on the special effects. I like how the two main, like everything else is so pretty and clean, and the two main characters look like they're strung out. Yeah. [LAUGH] Yeah, so I mean, I'm all for it. Like here's the thing, doesn't everything has to be Marvel, DC. There's plenty of open space out there in cinema and television for lots of different things, so But there's still more marble in the form of Iron Fist. [LAUGH] Iron Fist. Which I wore the shirt for. It's not totally correct. Thank you. Thank you for reminding everyone that there's better kung fu out there. [LAUGH] We actually have an article on the site that Ellen did, that has examples of all the YouTube videos of a whole bunch of people fighting much, much better than Danny does. Yeah I feel like I would love to watch Danny Ran and Dr. Strange just try to out mansplain each other [LAUGH]. Yeah we were talking about that on Twitter about how like So what I picture, is Dr. Strange just patronizing Danny so much, because Danny had to have daily training for his entire life, and get beaten everyday, and so forth. And Dr.Strange just swarmed in. [CROSSTALK] Did a few exercises, and suddenly he can control. And also, it would be great, just once, to have an actual Asian, or Asian American superhero, come in and tell both of them. To the side. Seriously I mean we have so much white washing when it comes to kung fu and. I mean that's been going on forever. David Carradine was not Asian. But that's one of the major problems with this show is they took this very dated idea and instead of trying to update it in a good way like having an Asian American artist as people were asking for, for example they really just. Leaned into it and just went for it and said like, well what if he was super privileged and a jerk? What if he kept losing his temper? What if he mansplained everything to everyone? Let's just make that guy. Yeah. I mean that's also the problem with superheroes is you don't want the one percent to also have super powers, unless something really tragic happens to them like their parents get murdered or Their military is used in a way they don't want. Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne, they're the one percent, but they've had really horrible childhoods. Well, and there's a scene in this that really got my attention. He's angry at Ward, one of the, One of the guys there. So he's angry, he's humiliated, hes walking out of a restaurant he turns and just shoves a restaurant employee so that he falls over just cuz he lost his temper. That's our hero, I mean picture Batman doing that or Superman so that's obviously wrong and it's obviously wrong here too, he's not. He's just kind of gross, I hate him. He makes my skin crawl, all right. I just want to say that honestly I hate, watched the whole thing because I'm not going to rip apart something I haven't watched, but I will say that there's a scene where he totally mansplains weapons to a girl, and if I was that girl I would totally of taken the sword and just, Man sliced him actually. [INAUDIBLE] professional instructor. Yeah a professional instructor so it's not like he's shown his date his cool collection of swords. It's like literally. Which is one of the reasons [INAUDIBLE] descenders because of the idea of Jessica Jones rolling her eyes at Danny epically. Jessica Jones' eye roll is its own superpower and I cannot wait for her to just rip Danny to shreds and then also Luke Cage isn't gonna stand for that crap either. I mean Luke is. Probably one of my favorites out of the whole spectrum of the Netflix standalone TV series. It's very hard to picture him working working as partners with this particularly [INAUDIBLE] I can't see it. I can't see it. And maybe that's the whole point, that they're gonna argue the whole time and that's what's gonna make the dynamics interesting. And I picture Jessica treating it like, It's Luke and his stupid friend. Haha, probably, I mean, I don't know how this is all gonna work together when they're all shoved together in one [UNKNOWN] or what is- I do wanna see that though, cuz they seem like they could be really interesting together as a group. Yeah And then, again, you don't have to have a group that gets along. Guardians of the Galaxy is a perfect example of misfits that are constantly arguing while they're fighting bad guys. As we said on Legion, nobody fights like. No, not Legions. Legends. Legends of Tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah, Legends of Tomorrow. Nobody fights like family. Yeah. Legends of Tomorrow. I'm glad you brought that up cuz that's also a really good series to see some DC characters in action, so. So we're also coming up on kind of the exciting debut season for HBO. I think we got time for one more, do we wanna go out on the trailer for Silicon Valley or Game of Thrones? I say Game of Thrones, but it's up to you guys. I don't have HBO so I don't really get a choice. I only order HBO for Game of Thrones then I cancel it right after. Let's do Game of Thrones, Silicone Valley can wait. [CROSSTALK] We live in Silicone Valley so let's do Game of Thrones. I'm playing this from the computer so. Be a little different okay here we go. [BLANK_AUDIO] [MUSIC] You know nothing Jon Snow. [LAUGH] Quit adding stuff into it. [MUSIC] [SOUND] You know I think.>>Yes please>>Yes. I think HBO has figured out that they can now put minimal effort into these [LAUGH] teasers and trailers, and people will still go crazy. [LAUGH] They could have just shown a picture of the throne, and I would have been like, yes, it's coming, it's coming soon, I can't wait. Honestly, I'm so hooked on Game of Thrones, it's become a bit of an issue. I feel like there should be a Game of Thrones anonymous at this point, because [LAUGH] Most of us are going, we don't know what to do when the show's not on. And all those articles that people write of, what to do when Game of Thrones isn't on, does not work. It does not work at all. And so the teaser trailer, as soon as that came on, chills. I got chills, and goosebumps, and I'm excited, and I can't wait. Yeah so she breathes out, you can see her breath at the end, that's winter right, winter's there. Winter's there he's not coming, he's there. Is this the last season or is there one more after this? There's more, this isn't the last one. There's gotta be more. This isn't the last one and the last season's only gonna have like six episodes I heard or something like that right? Yeah they're doing less, they're toying with our emotions. And this season doesn't actually debut until July, mid July. Yeah. Which is- It's 16. Winter is coming in summer. Yeah. [LAUGH] Yeah right. [LAUGH] That's when we're gonna need it. The South American fans are totally excited. Yeah, I can't wait, I'm super excited. This is a perfect example of how to do a great series based on a book series, how to keep people excited How to have great characters, great writing, great acting, great special effects, I mean it's got everything. So even if you've never seen Game of Thrones you can go back and watch them all on iTunes or however you digitally consume things. But you can also read the books, and the books are just chock full of stuff that isn't even in the show as well. So I love the series so much. Yeah, I'm hearing in the chat room that there's on more season after this one. Yeah. If we trust our chat room. Yeah. Of course we trust our chat room. I always trust the chat room. Thanks, chat room. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] If that is your real name. If that is your real name if you're not nano bots or Elon Musk. Well, there's disagreement in the chat room. [LAUGH] I really don't think this is [UNKNOWN] but I could be wrong. I'll go down to Santa Fe and ask George. There you go. [LAUGH] Cool, well a ton to look forward to. Any final recommendations before we go? Anything we haven't touched on yet? [BLANK_AUDIO] Spiderman but you know. Spiderman homecoming, I guess. [LAUGH] No. Spiderman's such a dork to me so it's like I wanna like him but my favorite version of Spiderman was the 1960s animated series. Because if you wanna see some really whacked out storylines there's some interesting storylines. Animated might be a little bit of a Stretch to describe that. Yeah, was it 70s or 1969, yeah, was Spiderman? No, I think that started in 1967. You talking about the cartoon? Yeah, the cartoon. Yeah, the 60s. Yeah that was pretty weird. And then the Japanese Spiderman live action series. That's awesome. Was always my favorite. So. [INAUDIBLE] Spiderman. And you can see both of those, I think Marvel.com has the The Japanese live action one you can watch that at marvel.com but with Spiderman I don't know it's always. I identified with him because he's a dork. I liked him in Civil War he was kind of a bright spot in Civil War, him and Ant Man in Civil War were great because they're just looking you're Captain America holy cow you're Iron Man like they were fan boying the other superheroes which is actually kinda enduring. I'm looking really forward to this. Yeah, me too. What's up, guys? [SOUND] But by the way, cosplayers are really trying hard to do the eye thing. I was reading about that, yeah. Do me a favor. How do they [INAUDIBLE]? What's the technology? It's just these little like I'll write an article. Stay close to the ground. [SOUND] You're the Spiderman. So apparently this was taken from the Miles Morel version of Spiderman so people are kinda annoyed by that. Can you summon an army of spiders? No Ed no. Do you know him too. I stole his shield. Can I try the suit on? Bad ****. [LAUGH] The rich. I have been feeling that they don't care about us. World is changing boys, tim we changed too. These weapons are crazy Listen Peter, forget the flying monster guy, there are people that handle this sort of thing. The illegal weapons barrier was at 2:30, you missed it [SOUND] What if somebody had died. I was just trying to be like you. I want you to be better, I'm gonna need the suit back. But I'm nothing without this suit. If you're nothing without this suit, then you shouldn't have it. Says the guy who wears armor. Yeah, yeah, thanks. [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH] But that was Iron Man III wasn't it? Yeah. The whole plot of Iron Man I'll do anything to protect my family. I know you know what I'm talking about. So don't mess with me. Cuz I will kill you and everybody you love. It is almost thirty years since Michael Keaton played Batman. I know, I was just thinking of that. I was just thinking of that. Wow. Eric, why'd you do that to me? [LAUGH] [MUSIC] Yeah. I mean. Don't do anything stupid. [SOUND] All right? Yeah. [LAUGH] We shouldn't say I'm rich. Yeah I just love seeing Michael Keaton in a superhero movie, I mean I guess Bird Man sorta counts but honestly. He's my favorite Batman. He's my favorite Batman, I'm just like it's so cool he's in this, I'm excited. I don't know. I'm down with that as well. Yeah. Cool, well, I think that's the time we've got for today. There will be an eighth season of Game of Thrones, the year after this one, so 2018, according to everything I'm seeing. They just haven't decided how many episodes yet. So it lives on, winter is still coming, and then it'll last for another year. So that is Far Sighted for today. Thanks for watching and chatting with us. We will be back in April. For Bonnie Burton, Steven Beechum, Kelsie Adams and Jeff Sparkman, I'm Eric Mac. Stay supper. [MUSIC] Whoops, I messed that up. I'll fix that later. [LAUGH]