Buzz Out Loud
Ep. 958: My other me knows Jiu jitsuScientists have simulated a part of the brain, molecule by molecule, and may possibly be able to simulate an entire brain soon. This has Natali excited, because she anticipates being able to download martial arts into her brain. Jason just doesn't want...
[ Music ] ^M00:00:05 >>Unplug his bass [laughter] ^M00:00:08 [ Silence ] ^M00:00:15 >>Jason: Alright [singing] It's alright, when you got a ways to go. Yeah it's alright, speaking of the traveling Wilburys, I don't actually know the words. That's the tune. [laughter] When I was a kid I used to love, oh what was his name with the traveling Wilburys? Roy Orbison. >>Nicole: Oh that's right >>Jason: I used to love him for some reason. >>Tom: You're Nicole on Twitter, right? >>Nicole: Yes >>Jason: I made that mistake. >>Tom: You're also Nicole on Twitter? [laughter] Now I'm confused. >>Jason: No this morning I tried to Tweet Nicole Lee and it didn't work. >>Nicole: I also have a, Nicole Lee is my private twitter account. >>Jason: Ah, ok >>Tom: I'm not allowed to follow that one, am i? >>Nicole: It's for friends. [laughter] >>Jason: It's for non tech stuff >>Tom: That just hit us in the gut. It's for friends, Tom and Jason. >>Nicole: I'm sorry. Oh Jesus >>Tom: I understand Nicole. [laughter] I don't invite either of you to my personal twitter so I understand. >>Nicole: Ok, never mind. It's where I talk about really personal things. >>Tom: I get you, I get you. I'm just giving you a hard time. I totally understand. [laughter] >>Nicole: Wow >>Jason: It's for friends, you know like Oprah Winfrey. >>Nicole: Oprah Winfrey? [laughter] >>Tom: Maybe that's what I should do with Tom Merritt. I just don't use it. I have it but I don't use it. >>Natali: Hello >>Jason: Hello, how's it going? >>Natali: Fine thank you, so I'm supposed to sign into Skype on the computer next to the console or? >>Jason: Yeah right in front of you, exactly. I put Skype on that machine, webcam on the top. It should just automatically go into it. And you seem to be the only one that actually knows the password to that Skype account. What is it? >>Natalie: I don't know. [laughter] >>Jason: Oh never mind >>Natali: Um, I'm just gonna sign into my own Skype. >>Jason: Oh ok. So then no one actually knows the password to the CNET New York podcast Skype account. Cause I was talking with Wilson and he had a bunch of ideas and none of those work and then I was talking to Jeff [laughter] >>Natalie: We kept testing it last week and we're like it might be this one, like a couple of weeks ago actually, and we figured it out but no one bothered to write it down. >>Jason: No one wrote it down. Oh man how many times have I done that? Oh I got in. Alright now to do the thing I've got to do. >>Natalie: Yeah, don't ask me hard questions. Oh good we're gonna tease the green show, good. >>Tom: Oh yeah, gotta tease your husband. Gotta tease the green show. >>Jason: Gotta trees the green show? >>Nicole: Oh that was very lame. [laughter] >>Natali: Don't you think we should put that first cause it's Earth Day? >>Nicole: Oh that's a good point. >>Jason: I guess, yeah >>Natali: I mean we don't have to talk extensively about it. >>Jason: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine. >>Natali: Ok >>Jason: I'm calling you up right now, Nat. [singing] [background noise] >>Natali: I don't see it. I'm calling you. >>Jason: Fine. >>Natali: I don't wait for boys to call me. [laughter] >>Tom: You're not a rules girl? You don't wait for boys to call you? >>Natali: I don't have any boys, that's why. I don't have any boys to talk about. Let's see, phone call. >>Nicole: Calling, that's so like 20th century. They IM nowadays, don't they? >>Natali: They text, yeah, see my video. [soda opening] >>Jason: Did somebody just opened up a 7Up? >>Natali: I did >>Jason: Oh [laughter] >>Natali: How did you know it was a 7Up? >>Jason: I don't know. That's really tricky. [laughter] >>Nicole: That's kind of scary. >>Tom: The soda whisperer. Is that a Fanta, wait no, 7Up >>Jason: No, it's Tab >>Natali: You're creeping me out. >>Nicole: That was very creepy. >>Jason: [laughter] You don't strike me as a Mountain Dew girl. >>Natali: I actually don't usually drink soda at all but I'm still coming off this stomach bug so >>Tom: 7Up is very good for that. >>Nicole: Yeah it is >>Jason: My mom used to give me that whenever I had stomach problems. >>Natali: So did my mom. >>Nicole: Whenever I'm on flights my mom would say I should drink some 7Up on a flight cause apparently it will soothe whatever ailment that I had. I don't know. >>Tom: Ginger Ale >>Nicole: Yeah Ginger Ale, same thing >>Jason: Still not seeing a call from you, I don't know. >>Natali: What? I have my, what the hell, it says that I'm on the phone with you, it's counting up. >>Tom: Who'd you call? >>Natalie: Hang on >>Jason: Oh here now I'm seeing you. Hit video and hopefully this will work. Loading video and [singing] >>Natali: I show that I'm sending video. >>Jason: Yeah it's like, there we go, awesome. Can you do me a favor and tilt it down a little bit. It's a lot of head room. [background typing] >>Natali: Fine, fine, fine >>Jason: Hey that's better, awesome. >>Natali: And you're not gonna send me any video though? >>Jason: No I'm not going to send you any video. >>Natali: That's rude. >>Jason: Yeah there is something funky over there. I just don't understand. I think it's connectivity in another room personally but maybe not necessarily a speed thing. Maybe it's more like a firewall type issue or a port thing but it's something weird. Alright I'm gonna open the stream if that's cool with everyone. Open that stream. Alright in 20 seconds you will probably see a stream. >>Natali: Hi guys, can you hear us? >>Jason: A stream is open. >>Natali: Stream is open. >>Tom: Streams up. >>Jason: Yep, that's right. >>Natali: I don't see any video yet. >>Jason: Stream up, stream >>Natali: Oh thank you. Love the haircut. >>Jason: Let's see here, some coloring issues on that camera. >>Natali: I don't have video yet. >>Jason: There you go. [whistling] That's better. ^M00:07:08 [ Silence ] ^M00:07:28 >>Natali: I wasn't on the 404 preshow. I just popped in and asked them to change my watch battery and they failed me. >>Jason: What happened? >>Natali: So I have a Polar FT40 heart rate monitor and they're like, you can change the battery yourself. That's one of the great things about it. But I can't get the back off and I almost sliced my hand open trying the other day and so I brought it into the 404 and I was like, can one of you guys do this and they couldn't do it. So I'm gonna have to send it in, I'm sure. It's such an annoying thing. Thanks Dave. We actually filmed Loaded last night after the T Mobile event so I was at work until 2:00 last night so I didn't get to work until 10:00 today >>Jason: Holy cow, late night. >>Natali: Yeah it was a late night. I actually liked doing Loaded the day before better than the day of. I'm not sure I can handle that production schedule. >>Jason: Are you able to do that very often? >>Tom: Yeah you were in the dock at midnight your time last night, weren't you? >>Natali: Yeah, yeah cause we were like alright. You know the T Mobile event ended like at 8:00 and I'm like do we go home and then come back in the morning or should we just put this and load it and then sleep in late? But I'm doing regular segments now for Voice of America so I had to be in at 10:00 anyway. >>Tom: Voice of America, the like military? >>Natali: Uh huh, it's a government sponsored radio, yeah. They have a big overseas audience and they want to do sort of tech news shows so I'm doing little spots for them on Wednesdays. >>Tom: Cool >>Natali: Yeah >>Tom: This is the voice of America, broadcasting from the free world. They don't sound like that anymore I'm sure. >>Natali: Yeah, no [laughter] the guy, I was asking him >>Tom: Communism must fall, Natalie Del Conte shows you why. >>Natali: Yeah, did you see the 60 minutes piece about the Persian guy who was on the cover of the Economist and was arrested by the Persian government and tortured for something like 6 years and now he works for Voice of America in Washington, D.C. >>Tom: No, I didn't see that. >>Natali: It's worth watching. It's really, really upsetting, really upsetting. But worth knowing about and apparently he is one of the colleagues of, I'm sorry Persian government, did I really say that? [laughter] The Iranian government. >>Tom: I knew where you meant. >>Natali: You know Prussia? [laughter] >>Tom: Yes I'm attending a conference in Prussia this year. >>Nicole: Istanbul was contacted also >>Natali: Yeah I have been to Istanbul >>Tom: Oh so you've been to the ottoman empire then. >>Natali: I have been to the ottoman empire. [laughter] >>Jason: Alright I am I think I'm ready if y'all are ready. >>Natali: I still don't have a stream on my player. That's funny. >>Jason: No video streaming for you? >>Natali: Uh uh >>Jason: No video streaming for you. >>Natali: But everyone else has video streaming, right. >>Jason: Hm, yeah it sounds like everybody has stream. Chat room, are you with stream? >>Natali: Chat room, you all can see us, right? [laughter] Do they speak up, really? >>Jason: Let me boost up your volume here. Uh yeah I'd say that was a resounding yes. Chat room says we are good. Stream is go. >>Nicole: Don't cross the streams. >>Tom: I've been to Paradise but it's never been to me. [laughter] >>Jason: I wonder if Skype in the same computer as the video player is doing something weird. >>Natali: Oh maybe that. >>Tom: Maybe there's some, yeah, some yeah. There's probably some yeah. >>Jason: Yeah it's enlightening. I would imagine there might be some yeah going on there. >>Tom: Yes I do. How did you know? >>Jason: Alright I'm ready to go. So here we go. I guess Nicole follow Tom in the entrance. >>Nicole: Yeah, go, sure >>Jason: I'll walk this way, maybe talk this way too. >>Natali: He meant on Twitter >>Jason: [laughter] Yeah you are following him, aren't you? >>Tom: Can you please follow me? For God sakes [laughter] >>Natali: I have to say, Nicole is one of my favorite Twitters. >>Nicole: Oh really >>Natali: Yeah >>Nicole: Oh dear, I have to watch what I say now. >>Natali: No don't, please don't [laughter] I like the ones like how I used to spend my Sunday's crying or whatever. I'm like, that's what I do. [laughter] I'm just kidding. >>Nicole: Don't say that. I was just being facetious. >>Natali: Oh so that's not ok? [laughter] >>Nicole: Never mind >>Natali: I'm just kidding. Alright let's do the show. >>Nicole: Wow, ok >>Jason: Alright, here we go for reals. Today's Wednesday, April 22, 2009. >>I'm Natali Del Conte >>I'm Tom Merritt >>I'm Nicole Lee >>And I'm Jason Howell >>Natali: Welcome to Buzz Out Loud, CNET's podcast of indeterminate length. This is episode 958. Happy Earth Day everyone. >>Tom: Hey, Happy Earth Day. We have a new show to celebrate Earth Day. >>Jason: Yeah >>Natali: That's right we do. That's filmed out of New York with the one and only Mark Licea who is obstinately refusing to get on Twitter >>Tom: Follow him anyway. [laughter] >>Natali: There may be a Mark Licea but it's not our Mark Licea but the new show is about how CNET is going to rate all of our electronics on a green scale from now on. He is going to report on those ratings. He is going to report on what's going on in the world of green technology, what you should know, what the cars are. It's a really fun show so make sure you watch that on CNET TV today and it will be weekly. >>Tom: If you're a tree hugger you're like it because it's all about hugging trees and being all environmental and stuff. But if you're just a cold hard cash lover you're also going to like it whether you care about the climate or not cause it's gonna show you how to save money on your power bill too and in these troubled times, I will now drink, you need that. >>Jason: I'll go ahead and drink, sure. [swallowing sound] >>Natali: I'm so proud of him. I really am. >>Tom: Yeah he did a great job. >>Natali: He started out here as our intern when I first joined CNET last year. >>Tom: MTI, Mark the intern >>Natali: yeah and now he's just such a great presenter and he works so hard and I felt like I should do something big to commemorate his big show [laughter] but I haven't done anything so if you have ideas on what I can do to congratulate him >>Nicole: Yeah definitely watch that first episode. I watched a little bit of it and I've learned a lot about other televisions and how we can save energy by the kind of TV you buy. >>Natali: Yeah >>Tom: Now Mark Licea may have arrived but so has Bluetooth 3.0. >>Nicole: Yeah >>Tom: It is finally official. The Bluetooth special interest group would like to announce their new baby, Bluetooth 3.0 plus high speed specification. >>Nicole: Waa >>Natali: Alright so big deal here is transfer, right it's supposed to be faster >>Nicole: Yeah >>Natali: Nicole you read the article. >>Nicole: So Bluetooth 3.0, the thing about it is you use it, well assuming that both devices have Bluetooth 3.0 and Wi-Fi >>Tom: You have to have Wi-Fi radios, correct? >>Nicole: Wi-Fi radios, yes. So the Bluetooth technology will be used to pair the two devices but the actual data transfer will be thickness over Wi-Fi via an ad hoc Wi-Fi connection. So it's much faster. It's very useful when moving large files like photos, video, large documents like you said. So apparently the new specification will also address energy savings with quote unquote built in power controls. They will apparently help conserve battery life which I think was a concern with the Wi-Fi usage. >>Natali: Bluetooth always the reputation for bad battery, for draining your battery. >>Nicole: Yeah >>Tom: Do you know if it uses a particular 802.11 spec or does it just have to use the Wi-Fi radio, it just has to have a 802.11 radio and then >>Nicole: It's just 802.11, it's not, specific to an A or >>Tom: So it doesn't matter if one's a G and one's an A >>Nicole: No, it's not specific to that. >>Tom: Alright, and then the other thing about the Bluetooth is that it will work without the Wi-Fi radio so it's backward-compatible. >>Nicole: Yes >>Tom: And it's still able to transfer some data. >>Nicole: It's just faster if you have the Wi-Fi. So as far as actual hardware, cheap makers like I think Atheros and Broadcom are already working on the hardware for it but actually devices like you know Bluetooth, Mice or whatever, they're gonna come out in like a year, in 9 to 12 months they said. >>Tom: I don't need a Bluetooth 3.0 Mouse cause >>Nicole: Well not mouse [laughter] but I mean you know like >>Natali: They're not transferring data from their mouse. >>Jason: Maybe that's the next step. >>Tom: I guess you could put a flash drive in your mouse. >>Nicole: Sure [laughter] >>Natali: To do what? Just hold stuff? >>Tom: Well no, I started that as a joke but now that I'm thinking about it if you had a Bluetooth Mouse with a flash drive inside and you're using it on one computer but you were able to put some files on it then you could take that to another computer and still use it as a mouse but also transfer files wirelessly off of it. So it's kind of a cool combination. I think there are mice with flash drives >>Jason: I think they exist already, yeah I think you're right. >>Tom: So all you need is to have some Bluetooth 2.0 >>Nicole: Yeah but I mean the main thing that's kind of interesting as far as moving between computers in a house or between your phone and your computer >>Tom: Yeah I use the Bluetooth Mouse at home and it's fantastic. I love it. But it's an old 2.0 and it does eat up the batteries. I put rechargeable batteries in it so I don't have to constantly be buying new batteries. >>Nicole: Yeah >>Tom: Amazon's going HD now with their video on demand. If you're using a TiVo or a RoKu player or one of those kinds of devices you'll be able to get TV shows and movies in high definition. If you're just using your computer you won't be able to get the movies in high def but you'll still be able to get the TV shows. >>Natali: That's right. They only have right now about 500 titles in high definition but they have over 40,000 in standard definition so I expect that they're going to continue to add to their high definition and also the movies don't work in the browser. They only work on a network connected device that runs Amazon on demand, which is what they used to call Unbox. They don't call it that anymore. >>Tom: No thank goodness cause I hated Unbox when it was first launched. >>Nicole: So is this >>Natali: It doesn't mean anything. >>Nicole: So it this with TV shows and movies? >>Tom: Yeah well we've said it twice now but it is confusing. [laughter] If you want to get the movies you have to have a player. It won't work on your computer. If you want to get the TV shows it will work on everything. >>Jason: Why the distinction there? I guess I don't understand. Maybe it's a licensing thing or whatever. >>Natali: I think it probably is. >>Jason: It can't be a technical thing. >>Nicole: It could be a licensing thing, yeah. >>Tom: What kind of stupid licensing thing would say really I want to restrict the largest part of the audience from watching my movie? >>Nicole: I do wonder maybe it's the 720P versus 1080P issue sometimes. Like I don't know if current computers, whether the current computer monitors can handle very high >>Tom: Oh yeah certainly >>Nicole: They can? >>Natali: I do it on Hulu >>Nicole: Well that's true >>Natali: You can do it on Hulu already but you know Hulu announces these movies in high definition on the site slowly. They launch them in a press release, every week you get something like hey we have Revenge of the Nerds now, [laughter] we have Goonies. >>Nicole: That's true >>Natali: And so it seems like they release them slowly not to get buzz but because it takes them, I think they're doing it licensing by licensing and so it could be that Amazon has just not got there yet. >>Nicole: I'm definitely excited about this though because I do have a TiVoHD and I can finally watch Amazon like on demand video in HD where previously I couldn't. >>Tom: Now you gotta pay obviously. This isn't like NetFlix >>Nicole: I do have to pay. >>Tom: Where you get a membership or anything. >>Nicole: So regular standard definition shows are $1.99 >>Tom: Yeah TV show and then its $2.99 for the HD version. >>Nicole: So a dollar, not bad. >>Tom: Now they've got some good titles out there even though they don't have many of them. They're starting with Heroes and Battlestar movies like Frost, Nixon and Twilight so real popular stuff that will catch peoples eyes. I think it really is, you guys are right it must be a licensing thing where the movie industry is like, we know on a computer somebody could capture the video so we only want to stream the movies >>Jason: They're gonna do it anyways. [laughter] >>Tom: More dragging out painful impedances for you to consume their content but whatever. You know if you search the internet you will find that I've said stuff like that before, when you search for me, but I need to control my message and thankfully Google is helping me. >>Natali: Well now when you search someone's name you can find out all the things that are about them on the internet but you can also find their Google profile as well. It will link you to their Gmail account, whatever they've got up there and then also other social networks such as My Space, Facebook, Classmates and LinkedIn. >>Tom: Yeah what this does, let's say we search Nicole Lee. It will give us all the links to Nicole Lee's stuff on CNET and her personal site, her twitter account but at the very bottom she'll be able to create a profile that would be controlled by her so it would only have information that she wants in it and you would be able to click on that and get the real story about Nicole. [laughter] >>Jason: And then what happens if there are 30 Nicole Lee's that all fill out a profile? >>Natali: You can see a picture, right? >>Nicole: You can a see a picture. You can see their location like whether they're from California or Nevada or something like that. >>Jason: And possibly I would imagine you could narrow that even if you were searching like Nicole Lee, San Francisco and then it would only pull up the profile of those here. [laughter] >>Tom: Those of you here. >>Nicole: Exactly and if there was a middle name or some alternate name. >>Tom: Now what's interesting is last night I read this blog posting from Google and they said just search for me and follow the instructions at the top of the page to create one. I did that and I got a link that's like, create your own Google profile. Today when I searched for me, M-E, it doesn't give you that. >>Jason: No it just gives you mobile me, right? >>Nicole: You have to be logged in. >>Tom: Oh, I'm not logged in? >>Nicole: You have to be logged in. >>Tom: Ok that's a good thing to know. You're not going to be able to just search me. You've gotta be logged in. >>Jason: See you know what, I read this story this morning. I was logged in and I typed in ME and I got mobile me and I got none of that link. I had to go into settings in order to do it. >>Nicole: And it's not all Google users. >>Tom: Ah I think that's it right there. >>Nicole. They're rolling it out to only a few people. I think so. >>Jason: I could get to it in settings by the way so even if it doesn't appear for you you might still be able to do this if you want to. >>Tom: Yeah, Google.com/profile/the persons name is usually how you'll be able to get to it. That's how I've got mine. You know it's where I grew up, places I've lived, [laughter] all the great fishing questions that people will try to use. >>Natali: But these are not the kind of things that you, I mean you're still gonna get ranked results in the regular search this goes down at the bottom so if you're, for instance I knew a person who is going to be unnamed too but in college wrote this pro-legalizing marijuana blog and for 10 years after he was done with college it was still one of the first things that showed up when he searched his name. So he's not going to be able to just replace that with this. >>Tom: Exactly and how does this profile that's buried down at the bottom of the page help you in any way to combat what comes up when people search your name? >>Natali: Not at all. >>Nicole: I do think the placement of it is questionable. Like if you really do want to combat that repetition the placement is definitely questionable. Maybe it would be better if it was placed on top, you know like on top of the search page maybe. I could kind of see that but >>Jason: I don't know if the, I'm not convinced that the person is to combat, allow users to combat these >>Natali: Yeah that's true >>Tom: What's the purpose of it then? >>Jason: The purpose of this is the purpose of any other social network. It's to offer out information about yourself that you're willing to allow other people to have access to. >>Tom: Then create a freakin social network to do it. [laughter] Don't make the search results [inaudible talking] >>Nicole: I think this is Google's attempt at a quote unquote social network. >>Tom: You can't connect with anyone with it so there's no >>Natali: You can network to other peoples Gmail accounts like in reader or in >>Tom: No but not from this profile though. It's not like you can have friends on this profile. >>Natali: Yes you're right but it's gonna push you to other ways to connect with them. >>Nicole: Because if you take a look at the way that sort of the Google profile is listed it looks very much, honestly when I first looked at it, it looks very much like Facebook. I was thinking I was looking at a Facebook clone or something. Like the way the profile's are listed in a certain order. So I think this might be a very beginning step in Google's attempt at a social network. I don't know. >>Jason: Yeah totally >>Tom: I get what you're saying, Jason and Nicole that this is very social network like but there's nothing social or network about it. [laughter] >>Nicole: True, true >>Tom: So it's kind of a weird, strange step and they bill it in the blog as like control your, you know the message about you in search and whatever, ok I get it. [laughter] I don't like it. You know what I like is fast internet. >>Jason: Yeah we all like that. >>Tom: Who doesn't like fast internet? Slash dot has a posting saying that pre-standard 40 gigabit and 100 gigabit Ethernet products will be coming by the end of the year and standards complying products are expected to ship in the second half of next year. So we will be able to have networks with at least 40 or 100 gigabit Ethernet products operating them. Also we're looking at possibly terabit Ethernet standards and products by 2015. Do you know, can you wrap your mind around that? >>Natali: No, I can't. And this is a really fast push through of this standard too. They usually don't move this fast. This is the 802.3ba standard. >>Nicole: Wow >>Natali: And usually, I mean we're still waiting for them to completely ratify 802.11N. >>Nicole: I know [laughter] >>Tom: Yeah wireless is way behind on this. >>Natali: Yeah so how is this standard board moving so fast? >>Tom: Because it's needed. >>Natali: Because it's about fast. [laughter] >>Tom: Yeah exactly and also it's about the backbone. I mean this is you know it's about routers, switchers, things that make the internet go and the backbone has plenty of bandwidth but nobody wants to be caught with their pants down. Everybody wants to be able to have the fastest internet that they can provide on the backbone. It's all of us saps that use Wi-Fi in our home that get left behind. >>Nicole: You know when you said backbone I immediately thought of that South Park episode with the giant Linksys router? >>Tom: The blinking giant Linksys router? >>Nicole: Anyway, that is very cool like how fast are we talking about really? >>Tom: Well a terabit >>Nicole: Yeah like in terms of the real world like >>Tom: You mean how fast is it gonna be at your end? That's all gonna be bottled up by the ISP. Right now we've got you know, we've got gigabit switches easily. We've got them here CNET but you're not gonna get a gigabit per second in your house. [laughter] First of all practically it has to be divided up to everybody on our network but also because of all of the other stuff we're gonna talk about later with the stupid Time Warner you know cap things and all of these ways of throttling you on the end but this just is another way of making sure we have enough bandwidth so that those kind of things hold even less water then they try to shove them down our throats. One of the things it says here in this post is a lot of people are already bundling and using link aggregation to try and create pipes that have 40 gigabit or 100 gigabit capacity. So that's what's driving this is that there's a huge demand amongst the people who manage these networks that they want this and they want it fast. >>Natali: Well let's talk about the Time Warner thing now so we don't have to get back to it and just move that story up because the New York Times reported on the cost of bringing us broadband cause Time Warner had been saying, oh hey it's real expensive for us to get you this broadband and all the research out there went out and said, no it actually isn't that expensive. This New York Times article points out that it costs them the same amount to bring you the same capacity in your neighborhood and it lays it out in a really user friendly way so that we know that we could get on the network or we could not get on the network. It's costing them the same amount of money so them overcharging us is egregious. >>Tom: Yeah Tony Warner, the CTO of Comcast is quoted as saying, all of our economics are based on engineering for the peak hour. Just because someone consumes more data doesn't mean they drive more cost. That's coming from an official of Comcast in the New York Times. They estimate that if they were to add capacity to any household it costs a fraction of one month's internet service bill. Comcast told investors that doubling the internet capacity of the neighborhood costs as average of $6.85 a home. So when we were talking a while back about Time Warner incurring a cost to roll trucks and upgrade fiber, that's the number that can be applied to it. And yet they want to charge you $175, $150 for capped internet. >>Nicole: Ridiculous >>Natali: Can you say inflated price? >>Tom: Oh, I can. [laughter] And I am motivated to. >>Natali: I mean come on, with your pants down. [laughter] >>Tom: They don't even have pants. >>Natali: Right, broadband doesn't wear pants. They're like smurfs or whatever. [laughter] >>Tom: They're running around naked. The cost of providing internet service is about to fall even more as cable companies install new tech called DOCSIS 3.0 that will both increase the capacity and allow them to offer much faster download speeds. That's a quote out of here. So according to this article DOCSIS 3 is actually lowering the cost. It's not a high cost implementation. This is required reading for anybody who has an internet connection and is facing a company that wants to give them caps, this just really shows clearly how it's all about competition. It's all about the fact that there is nobody putting the pressure on them to keep their costs low because in Japan 160 megabit per second internet is $60 a month, only $5 a month more than its slower service. But here we pay $45 a month for 8 megabits, right? 160 megabits is cheaper in Japan than 8 megabits is here. Now we're just talking U.S. and Japan right now and we apologize to everybody else in Australia and South Africa and all of you, you know we hear about who have the caps. You're in the same position or worse than us and we understand that and there's different reasons why. In South Africa it's because you've only got one pipe going in and there's a monopoly. In Australia you've got government regulations in control over who provides the ISP's but I think probably if you look at it closely it all boils down to monopoly. >>Nicole: Absolutely >>Tom: It all boils down to lack of competition. >>Natali: Right, I did a story for Wire magazine a couple of years ago about Broadband in Dubai and the guy who runs this chain of hotels there said we can't even afford to offer free broadband to this really expensive hotel, because [inaudible] was a monopoly back then and they were paying so much and he's like, it's cheap in the U.S. But even in the U.S. we're being overcharged and I really appreciate these stories that are kind of myth busters. In the same way we saw last year when we started to count what it costs per bit to send a text message and so these companies thinking that we're just not gonna figure it out is stupid. >>Tom: Providers profit margins are stable and investment in network equipment is generally falling. And yet they want to tell us that they need this money to improve their investment and keep their profits up but they're running, they're not. It's just not true, you know. But there's no pressure, there's no market pressure to make them play straight with us. >>Natali: I mean that's what we're always hoping for, right, we're hoping that there's going to be. I don't know, I mean the barrier to entering into that market is so high. None of us, we're all motivated to but none of us are gonna go out there and start a broadband company. [laughter] >>Tom: Well yeah, I mean that's a good point >>Natali: Unless that's what the rumors are about Tom Merritt >>Tom: Yeah right, sh, sh, nothing, no, cut, cut >>Natali: Is that what you're gonna do? >>Tom: I can't lay fiber. [laughter] >>Jason: We all know that Tom. >>Tom: Yeah it's embarrassing. >>Natali: He's not a manual laborer. >>Tom: No but you've got a good point but the other side of it is even if you did have the wherewithal and motivation to go start an ISP where are you gonna lay your cables? Where are you gonna lay your fiber? You have to get permission from cities to do that and the cities are >>Jason: The infrastructure part of that >>Tom: generally granted monopolies to these cable companies for right of way and they don't want to allow you to dig. So you know there's a lot more to it than just having the motivation. That alone is enough to keep a [laughter] lot of people from trying. >>Natali: Exactly >>Tom: But you can't legally do it in a lot of cases. >>Natali: And none of us are gonna cancel our plans in protest. We just keep paying. >>Tom: Because you have no choice. >>Nicole: That's true. >>Tom: Microsoft is often known for not giving you any choice [laughter] >>Natali: That's a low blow >>Tom: But they have felt the market pressure in adding IM to email clients and so they have done it finally several years later. >>Natali: Yeah we could have done this in Yahoo and Gmail for years. >>Nicole: So who was the first email client to have, was it Gmail to have the >>Tom: Integrated chat? I think so. >>Nicole: I think Gmail and then Yahoo >>Tom: And then Yahoo added it. I don't know that AOL has AIM but I don't know that they don't because I just don't use. So if anybody in the chat room uses AOL mail let us know. >>Nicole: But this is several year's too late, right? >>Natali: Why don't they have labs like Google does? I mean Yahoo seems to be rolling out some features for Yahoo mail slowly but surely but Hot Mail just seems to get left in the dust. >>Nicole: I was just thinking it's kind of funny because MSN messenger has been around far longer than any of these messaging services and you know Hot mail has been around forever so it's funny that finally they've stepped into the 21th century. [laughter] It's funny. >>Tom: Ok a couple of people in the chat rooms say yes AOL does have AIM so Microsoft is the last >>Nicole: It's the last one >>Jason: The last party >>Tom: Alright, let's talk about a different party, the iPhone rumor party [laughter] that's going on. iPhone 0S3.0 may include voice control. >>Natali: I just have to go on record by saying iPhone rumors bore me to tears. [laughter] I really hate them but you have to talk about them. There's no way around it. >>Tom: And we've been passing on more than we used to. >>Natali: I really hate them but this one does seem like it has some teeth. It would be voice controlled App launcher so you could just open up your iPhone and say, take me to maps, take me to calendar or whatever. >>Tom: Launch 4 square >>Natali: Yeah and maybe it would talk back to you in the same way that the Shuffle does. I'm not sure about that but it could do it. Mac software can do it and they've been able to do it for a long time. >>Jason: Apple's all about rolling out these features on one and then bringing it to everything else for the most part so >>Tom: You have been playing too much Wordle. Perhaps you should call your mother. [laughter] >>Nicole: That would be really funny if they had reminders like that. >>Natali: Copy, paste >>Nicole: [laughter] Copy, paste >>Tom: Oh my gosh, that's how copy paste gets implemented. >>Natali: Right you have to say it. >>Tom: Highlight word, right, right, right, right, right, right and copy >>Natali: That's gonna make me nuts because it can't understand me anyway. >>Nicole: However if they do translate this through voice dialing that would be a huge, huge update >>Tom: Yeah it would bring them inline with so many other phones that already have voice dialing. >>Nicole: Absolutely. Cause that is one of the big pitfalls of the iPhone especially in you know a lot of states require hands free driving and you need to be able to you know not look at your phone to dial and it's just useful to have voice dialing and hopefully this will translate to that. I don't know if it will but. >>Tom: The other thing that I think is more promising of a rumor is that AT&T would be upgrading, there's be something in the new software that would allow you to take advantage of higher speeds on the AT&T network. Right now you can only get 700 kilobits per second to 1.7 megabits per second when you're on that network with the iPhone. But the new software might give you up to 3.6 megabits per second. >>Natali: Now a lot of this is dependent on AT&T and AT&T was very embarrassed last year when iPhone 3G launched and no one could use it. [laughter] The network was crappy. The registration software didn't work. It was just a big crap show. And so now they're saying >>Tom: Crapple >>Natali: Yeah I was going to use another word for crap, it was a an sh show >>Tom: Sh >>Natali: [laughter] And so they're like ok new iPhone coming out. We're not going to let this happen again. >>Tom: And I think I misspoke when I implied that this would be related to the 3.0 software. It would not. It's just something AT&T is trying to do by the end of this year so later this year they would like to have those 3G speeds available. Meanwhile, Facebook coming to the Blackberry. It's been on the Blackberry I guess but this is an update? >>Natali: Right the original Facebook out for the Blackberry just sort of allowed you to see what was going on and post your status but you couldn't comment on other people's status and again we have all of these disjointed contact lists because you have contacts on your Blackberry and then contacts in your Facebook and then maybe contacts in your Yahoo Mailer, whatever, and so now it's going to fuse those contacts so it will take the contacts within your Blackberry and allow you to connect it to contacts in your Facebook. You can even connect photos within there. You can comment on other people's things and upload photos to there. So it's just more of a, sort of a holistic application and it's very reminiscent of the Palm Pre or what we think will be. I guess you can't be reminiscent of something that's not out yet. [laughter] >>Tom: Preminiscent >>Nicole: Preminiscent of the Palm Pre >>Natali: You know what I meant. >>Tom: You got anything to add on that, Nicole? [laughter] >>Nicole: Oh yeah I think, sorry I was very lost there [laughter] >>Tom: She's in the chat room. >>Nicole: So yeah I think the integrated in box, integrated contacts list is one of the sort of advantages of the Pre because it has that sort of universal contact lists. It syncs all different contacts within all your social networks so that's basically what the blackberry is trying to do as well with their Facebook application here. >>Natali: Yeah what do they call it, something sync on the Palm Pre >>Nicole: Yeah I couldn't remember exactly what it is but >>Natali: I can't remember off the top of my head but this is something that I think we're gonna see more and more. It used to be that you'd go to these web conferences, like a web 2.0 or under the radar and you see all these applications that people were launching and they were like, we're gonna fuse your contact list. Like your contact list from your instant messages and your email clients and your phone logs and your social networks because they're all various places and so there would be applications that do that but none of them really caught on. No one really uses anything like that to fuse their contact list so it looks like the manufacturers and the social networks themselves are looking for ways to do this for us, which is very encouraging. Cause I don't want to manage a third party application to manage my contact list. I'd want that to be seamless with but it does feel like my instant message contacts are this antiquated list that I cannot be bothered to go through and update. >>Tom: But the Pre's gonna suck. >>Natali: No it's not. >>Tom: No I read this thing from AT&T. [laughter] It's a document that told me just how much it's gonna suck compared to the awesome AT&T iPhone. >>Natali: Well of course AT&T's gonna say that. >>Nicole: Yeah so AT&T, I guess somebody leaked this internal document where some marketing material basically comparing the iPhone 3G to the Palm Pre from Sprint and saying the iPhone 3G is so much better than the Palm Pre because apparently you can get free Wi-Fi at Starbucks or something and it's available in black and white, not just black. >>Tom: Wow >>Natali: Wow [laughter] >>Tom: It will be known for its love of colors. >>Natali: Still waiting on my red iPhone. >>Nicole: Right but at this point the Pre is only [inaudible] so it's not like a very universal, not a very global friendly >>Tom: It's not a GSM phone. >>Nicole: It's not a GSM phone right and there's also things that say the SDK won't allow for CPU intensive apps like 3D games apparently. >>Tom: Right cause the iPhone is so well known for it's CPU intensive apps. [laughter] >>Nicole: So yeah I mean very clearly AT&T is a little bit skittish about the Pre obviously >>Tom: That's really what this story is about. >>Nicole: Is basically what it's about it. >>Tom: AT&T is already getting ready to be on the defensive. >>Natali: In the end the multiple apps, running the multiple apps in the background is a big deal. >>Nicole: Absolutely >>Tom: That doesn't seem to be pointed out. >>Natali: Wonder why? >>Jason: This only points out things that favor the iPhone. [laughter] How odd. >>Tom: We should point out too that this is a leaked document that gadget is passing along so it's not something that's officially out there from AT&T yet. >>Natali: It may just be market speak for AT&T phones. Like they'll give it to their sales associates in order to point out >>Tom: Talking points >>Nicole: What would be funny to me is if HGS and Palm Pre is released and it goes to AT&T. That would be funny to me. >>Tom: There'll be a whole new chart out. [laughter] >>Jason: Actually they're very similar >>Tom: Do you think that's likely that that would happen though, Nicole? >>Nicole: I think a GSM Palm Pre is very likely. I don't know if you know if it will go to AT&T or T Mobile. I think a GSM Palm Pre is incredibly likely cause Palms is not [inaudible] only. Palm always has a GSM product. >>Tom: Good to know. The ISA conference is starting in San Francisco soon so there's going to be a lot of good security stories coming out. Right now slash dot has a posting from a noted Botnet researcher saying he's prepared to pitch new anti-malware strategy at the conference. Joe Stewart is the director of SecureWorks counterthreat unit. He says criminal cybergangs must be harried, hounded and hunted until they're driven out of h business. [laughter] >>Natali: So he wants a proactive kind of bounty hunter type task force to be running out and finding the criminals before they find us. >>Tom: Go on the offensive. He's talking about infiltrating Botnet groups, employing disruptive tactics. Going after their servers and taking them down. It's more of an offensive way of going after Botnets versus the traditional defensive way which is lock up your ports and make sure that they can't infect you and if they do, you know, remove them. But he's like let's go fight them in their country, on their terms, on their servers. >>Natali: It will be one of those things where it's led by Barak Obama [laughter] and he's like don't tell me what you're doing. The less I know the better. >>Tom: I was thinking it would be led by Mel Gibson as he storms across the virtual fields of the internet. [laughter] >>Natali: Don't go Mel Gibson to me, never go Mel Gibson to me. >>Tom: Hey cat, take it away, ah freedom. [laughter] >>Nicole: War paints as well. >>Natali: No, not Mel Gibson. Maybe Ashton Kutcher >>Nicole: Oh yeah >>Natali: We'll talk about him later. >>Tom: More on that later. Meanwhile a couple of Science stories to finish us up. A BBC article talks about a detailed simulation of a small region of a brain unit built molecule by molecule has been constructed and recreating experimental results from real brains. So they've taken this particular part of the brain and they can simulate it molecule by molecule. >>Natali: This is crazy. There was an article in Wired last month about this and what they're doing is basically dissecting real brains in order to get information in order to simulate that. These projects, this is going to blow your mind, these projects generate a terabyte of data per day. >>Tom: Oh yeah these have to use super computers. >>Natali: And they're researched. Isn't that outrageous? >>Tom: They're not running these on a desktop. >>Nicole: Yeah >>Tom: It's crazy. They have also, a professor at Markram told Science Beyond Fiction Conference, where he presented this research, that the brain column is being integrated into a virtual reality agent, a simulated animal which is in a simulated environment and the researchers are able to observe the data. Quote, it starts to learn things and starts to remember things. You can actually see when it retrieves a memory and where they retrieved it from because we can trace back every activity of every molecule, every cell, every connection and see how the memory was formed. >>Natali: This is so cool. >>Tom: Now they say in 10 to 20 years they may be able to create an entire brain, not just a portion of one. >>Natali: I mean essentially then you upload experiences in the same way you do in the matrix. You can just plug in and tell it what to know, what to not know. >>Nicole: That's kind of scary >>Natali: And then I'm gonna know Jujitsu and then you all should just look out. [laughter] >>Tom: But the thing is you won't be able to know if you're actually in a real brain or not. >>Natali: Who care? I know Jujitsu. >>Tom: And so they could just make infinite copies of you and they'd all think they were you and how do you know you're you anymore? >>Natali: Why do I care? >>Jason: You're like, I don't care. I know Jujitsu. [laughter] >>Natali: No but seriously if I'm existing why do I care which one is authentic and which one's the prototype. >>Tom: Is it you? Are you existing anymore? >>Natali: Why do I care? >>Jason: Are you the prototype possibly? Because would you no if you weren't? >>Natali: Hang on, let me ask Emanuel Cont, can't on this one. [laughter] I don't know. I don't really care. >>Tom: Fine, be a nothingness. >>Jason: The things we'll see in the next 20 years. >>Tom: Jason is worried I can tell. >>Jason: I am a little bit. I don't want to meet another me. >>Natali: You don't? [laughter] >>Tom: What about an automaton with a simulated brain inside of it that can live and learn? Is that what you're worried about? >>Jason: No that would be pretty cool. >>Tom: You're like when the robots take over I'm fine. I just don't want to meet another me. >>Jason: I identify with robots so you know, there's that. >>Natali: I sometimes wish there were multiple me's and then one would take a break and the other one would go off to work and one would go to the gym. >>Tom: And what if you could merge them all back in and reintegrate the experiences once they got back? >>Jason: Yeah when you get home you all like dock basically together and you combine your experiences. >>Natali: I like that. Can I have that magnetic induction charging like the Palm Pre? [laughter] >>Tom: You just sit on the couch and recharge. >>Natali: Right. That would be awesome. >>Tom: And finally, the world's first x-ray laser has gone live, that's right you heard me, x-ray and laser, two great tastes that work well together. This makes an extremely bright coherent x-ray photons. It does not need to be forced to move in a curved path. The beams actually just accelerate at electrons and it is the most difficult light source that has ever been turned on, according to LCLS construction instruction project director, John Galayda. On the boundary between the impossible and the possible. He's getting a little excited here. [laughter] The benefits to applied sciences for research in using this light can be enormous. They'll be able to image atoms and molecules with x-ray's in ways that they've never been able to do before and make movies out of them and it's just, I mean x-ray laser. Do I need to say more? >>Jason: No >>Natali: Not really >>Tom: Alright, it's a good combination. >>Jason: And if they could take this, you know, they're making films out of these, put them on an IMAX you know. That would make one pretty stellar presentation. >>Natali: You know what else is a stellar presentation? CNET TV and we just wanted to remind you to vote for CNET TV in the people's voice awards. You can find us nominated under the technology in the online film and video section at pv.webbyawards.com so if you have time today please do set aside a minute to go to your browser and vote for us. We would appreciate your vote. >>Tom: You're not getting the vote of Mark from Florida though Natali because of what you said about Ashton Kutcher. >>Natali: Oh come on >>Hey Buzz Crew, Mark from Florida. Of course I love the show. But I got a little complaint. Last week, I guess I'm catching up, last Thursday or so, Natali [inaudible] and Jason were kind of raggin on Ashton Kutcher you know as far as him Tweeting and all that good stuff and it seems like you know you guys were picking on dude and you don't even follow him. And it said what it was about and what he's actually you know tweeting about. I don't really follow him because I don't care so much but I'm not necessarily ragging on him [laughter] when I didn't follow him. I know the guy from the 404 said he did follow him for you know briefly. But you know if you're gonna criticize someone at least criticize them for what they're doing. Not what you think they're going to do. Anyway, my two cents but I still love the show. You guys are great. Bye. >>Natali: Alright, I think that he cares enough to call >>Tom: Leave Ashton alone. >>Natali: We never said anything mean about Ashton. Ok we did say why would you follow him? >>Jason: I'm sure we said something mean somewhere in there. >>Natali: But we were definitely snarky. I don't have anything against him. He seems to be doing a lot of charitable work. That's fine. >>Tom: You don't understand Ashton, do you? >>Natali: I probably do not and I'm going to admit right now that I'm not going to do the work in order to understand him. >>Tom: Are you going to follow Demi? >>Natali: I think its Demi. >>Jason: [laughter] To balance >>Tom: I think you're right, it's Demi. >>Natali: No, I'm going to do none of those things. I just don't like the popularity contest like it makes you a more important person on Twitter. Like he's more important than my sister because she has 100 followers or something like that. >>Tom: But that all ended because of Oprah. Now there's no more popularity contests on Twitter. Now there's two groups on Twitter, Oprah or not Oprah. >>Natali: Yeah that's true >>Tom: Done >>Natali: She seems to really be getting the hang of Twitter like in the makeup chair now. [laughter] >>Tom: Oh boy >>Natalie: Like I'm getting exactly what I wanted out of her Twitters. >>Tom: In the dentist chair now. Not getting Novocain and actually our next caller can explain why she wouldn't be getting Novocain. >>Hey Buzz Crew this is Dr. Rob. Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys >>Tom: And Natalie >>David as your dentist did not get high on Novocain. Novocain is of the same class as lidocaine which would be cardio toxic and kill the poor little boy which we don't want to do and I don't want any of the Buzz listeners either to die from trying to overdose on Nova cane. It was Nitrous oxide that he got and so take it from me, Nitrous Oxide really does make you really high. [laughter] Well I didn't, well I was exposed to Nitrous Oxide once and didn't inhale. >>Natali: As in yesterday? >>Gotta go, bye. >>Tom: As in right before that call. [laughter] Alright Dr. Rob you got us. We're not dental anesthetic experts but we appreciate [laughter] the correction. Finally we were talking about what's gonna happen between Oracle and Son regarding my MYSQL yesterday and our final caller has some thoughts on that as well. >>Hey it's Drew from Phoenix and I'm calling about the Oracle discussion y'all had about MYSQL. I think that MYSQL is going to become the gateway drug to the true Oracle full papers under the database. I think over time they're gonna introduce fall little features to improve it, quote unquote improve it, bring it more towards the Oracle way of doing things and they'll keep it free and they'll allow people to use it for small companies or emerging companies and once they get to a point where they can't handle it anymore, that's the gateway drug to Oracle the full version. That's my opinion. Have a great day. >>Tom: I think that's a pretty interesting way of going about it. I don't know how likely it is that they will do that but I kind of think they should do that because it strikes the balance between not upsetting all the people that use MYSQL already but still trying to lead them into their higher priced main oracle business. >>Natali: Well thank you for that. Let's move on to the emails we have. We have the first one from Nick Mango [assumed spelling] he says what you guys were saying about giving away MP3's and selling music in other forms is actually happening a lot in the Indie/Hardcore music scene. Record labels are selling vinyl with download codes so you can get the MP3's off the internet. It is getting pretty big now. Regards, Nick. >>Jason: That's a cool idea. I like that, kind of the emerging of the analog and the digital, especially that are purchasing vinyl you know are going to want these in other ways as well. Why not? >>Tom: That was what I was trying to get across yesterday is come up with multiple different methods for delivering the music. Think not inside of say a box but on the outside of one. [laughter] You know what I'm saying. That's a perfect example which is there are folks who are buying vinyl for collectable reasons. Because they have DJ's or they just like it and give them the download, you know. Make that part of that drive to sell them. That doesn't mean you build your whole business on that but then you also do videos or you do high, help me out with the >>Jason: Flack? >>Tom: You do flack versions while they're rare and you just keep adapting. >>Nicole: Next email is from Alex from the U.K. Did you get that Android chaser jingle done? According to the Inquirer which I hope is reliable as I've never heard of it, a Chinese company called SkyTone has released the first netbook powered by an Android. It has a 7 inch swiveling touchscreen with gamepad controls on the side, Wi-Fi, 3G and SD card reader, webcam and 2 USB ports as well as 128 megabytes of ram and a 533 megahertz ARM processor. And what's especially good in these troubled times (drink) is its price, $100. To me that speaks volumes for the quality of the components but it's low enough to be in the impulse buy realm. So it's certainly fork out for one. Love the show, hate Twitter [laughter] >>Natali: Hate Twitter >>Tom: So it's funny reading the different reactions today. It's not just the Inquirer but a lot of people are reporting on this thing from SkyTone and some people will look at it and go it's only got 128 megabytes of ram. It's only got 533 megahertz processor >>Nicole: It's $100 >>Tom: This is essentially a phone turned into a different form factor but then you get people who are like, its 120 megabytes of ram and 533 megahertz processor and its only $100. I think it's like $100 to $200. It's not right at $100. It's like somewhere in between too. >>Nicole: Still >>Tom: Still yeah, it's an interesting step. It's not the thing that's going to >>Nicole: 7 inches though is definitely not, I don't think, it's even smaller than most netbooks right, 7 inches? That's really tiny. >>Tom: No, it's a mid, it's a mid internet device at that point. >>Natali: It's a tablet >>Tom: It's a tablet but it's got that swiveling touchscreen. That's the coolest thing about it to me. >>Nicole: It is. It's kind of like the Nokia, like their version of the Nokia tablet or something >>Natali: The N800 series >>Tom: Right, it's a little bigger than that but not by much. I don't know, I think it's a cool idea. The thing is you are limited in Android. Android isn't like a full on operating system. >>Nicole: No, no >>Tom: But somebody, one of the blog postings I read about it suggested it would be great for a kid, like their first computer when you're like 9 or 10 and you're just getting into it. Something you could give to them. Seems pretty you know plastic and durable. >>Nicole: $100 is not that much >>Natali: Alright, I don't know a lot about kids but I know that kids are already into computers by 9 or 10. >>Jason: [laughter] These days yeah probably. >>Tom: Yeah obviously but in other words they're using the desktop computer under your supervision. You could give them an Android and let them go with it and carry it around. They're not usually getting laptops but this could be like babies first laptop essentially. >>Jason: Yeah right >>Natali: Yeah it's cute >>Tom: It is and its pink [laughter] So we also got an email here from Adam the CEO in Denmark, not the CEO of Denmark, totally different, says hi buzzers, or buzz crew or the slightly forgotten Jatona, tomorrow it is time for the new OS to hit the shelves. The Ubuntu 9.04, probably you've got more than me reminding you of this but since there's certainly strength in numbers I will not hesitate to point you towards this rather important news. That's right Ubuntu 9.04 is out. He talks a lot about his experiences and why he's using Ubuntu in his business. He's converted his entire business over to Ubuntu so he says, go Ubuntu. I've been running 9.04 since beta and have produced several products for clients on the platform. It crashes a lot less than my vista which it duel boots with. My main reason for still have Windows is video editing and iTunes so I can sync my iPhones and listen to Buzz Out Loud on my daily one hour commute. Thanks Adam. Happy new Ubuntu Day. >>Jason: Yeah >>Natali: We appreciate that. >>Jason: And finally Jazz man writes in. This is a little long so buckle up. Love the show and keep up the good work. I'm a systems engineer. I work at Lockheed Martin. I worked on the JHF program many years ago when the program was in its infancy. As you all may know there are many different tiers of security classification with the respective networks. My speculation is that data siphoned off or DR's, designer views, presentations, system requirement reviews and other set of data used to present and discuss planning and design with the stake holders, i.e. the pentagon. These presentations talk about design - this is all in reference, I didn't preface this, about the F35 plans that got leaked out on the internet basically. These presentations talk about design but at a high level which in my opinion any smart person can figure out just by using the internet. For example you can find a high level design of the aircraft on Wiki, on Wikipedia. I'm guessing that NIPR net was compromised over the durations of the attack while the more sensitive network, SIPR net remained secure. It not impossible but I can't even imagine detailed drawings and assembly instructions to reside on any Pentagon server or PC. That design detailed is so low level that it would probably annoy anyone who doesn't directly work on the aircraft. Usually that stuff is forwarded on the contractor's secure network on some obscure and super secured server. So that's kind of interesting. >>Tom: Fascinating. It makes me feel a little better which is like what got leaked out is stuff that they could have got elsewhere essentially? >>Jason: Right, yeah >>Tom: And not that helpful. Still not good that something got leaked out when it shouldn't have gotten leaked out. >>Jason: Exactly >>Tom: But not mission critical. >>Natali: It just doesn't inspire confidence. I'm surprise that he was allowed to email us. He doesn't give us his real name so maybe [laughter] >>Tom: Actually he does give his real name in the actual email and then ask that we not use it and also pointed out that he emails regularly from a different account than he used for this. There is a little bit of veracity to it. >>Nicole: Interesting >>Natali: Yeah cause Lockheed is kind of known as a walled garden >>Tom: And how >>Jason: There we go >>Natali: Very interesting. >>Tom: We already plugged everything already. >>Jason: I don't know. We've got so many plugs but [laughter] you might as well check out Dialed in, Nicole Lee's cell phone podcast. It's every Wednesday actually. >>Tom: You might us well? It's required listening. [laughter] >>Natali: You should, how about that? >>Jason: Ok rephrase, you might as well check out another thing. It's the fantastic Dial In podcast with Nicole Lee. [laughter] >>Natali: Thank you >>Jason: Well you record on Wednesdays so you have a new episode going up this afternoon. >>Nicole: Yes that's right. We'll talk about many of the phone stores that we mentioned today as well as other reviews of cell phones and Smart Phones that we had this week. >>Tom: Dialed in, if you use a phone you have to listen. [laughter] Podcast on CNET.com >>Natali: You'll be dialed in to the latest cell phone news. >>Tom: And of course you can get all the links to everything we talked about on this show in our blog which if you didn't know it's pretty easy to get to in your address bar. You just type bol.cnet.com. >>Jason: It will take you right there. >>Natali: For dummies >>Nicole: I never knew that, wow. [music] >>Tom: We'll see you there. Bye >>Natali: Bye guys [ Music ]