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Ep. 949: Leonard Nimoy melts your pantsThere is a lot about pants in today's episode. I mean, the French Parliament killed the Net piracy bill, Conficker started adding a key logger, and the AP does more stupid stuff. But really, it's all about pants. The new "Star Trek" movie was shown to...
[ Music ] ^M00:00:05 [ Background Music ] >> Today is Thursday, April 9, 2009. >> I'm Natali Del Conte. >> I'm Tom Merritt >> I'm Brian Tong. >> And I'm Jason Howell >> Welcome to Buzz Out Loud, CNET's "podcast of indeterminate length." This is episode 949 [inaudible]. >> Hurray for the French. >> It's a numerical palindrome day. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Oh, it is for the 9--949, say it backwards. >> 949. >> But no, say it backwards. >> I did. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Oh, please. >> Who is on first? >> Third base. The French Parliament has unexpectedly killed their horrible net piracy bill. The net piracy bill was going to allow you to get your ISPs account cut off after warnings 3 times that you had downloaded copyright material. You had no recourse to prove that you didn't download copyrighted material. All that took was an accusation and if it happened 3 times, you lost your internet connection. President Nicolas Sarkozy was behind it, was you know, a supporter of this and had gotten through the first round of the parliament, I guess in the senate and it was expected to pass today and become law but not everybody showed up for the final vote. >> They thought it was gonna pass easily, right? >> And so the socialist party rejected the measure via a vote of 21 to 15, the ruling UMP party lost and so now it's gotta go back to the drawing board and start all over again, which is good news for people in France. >> We all expected this to pass. In fact in Loaded today, I said that it did pass, so that's old new. But the RIAA-- >> You're doing the feeds Truman moment, huh? >> I know. Darn. It happens so often. The RIAA was salivating over this because they really wanted to take this method and employ it here in the US. So now, it looks like they won't have their chance to show that it's ineffective or an effective way to stop piracy, so they're back to the drawing board which is so interesting. >> Yeah, the other thing that I think interesting is, you know, the entertainment industry is watching this hoping to use it as a model. But, a couple of weeks ago we talked about how movie ticket sales are on the rise. Video game industry is higher than it's ever been and that the point that we hammer is people that steal are going to steal but clearly you can see all these other industries are still flourishing. >> And you might--you might catch some pirates this way, but you're gonna catch a lot of innocent people this way too because, you know, the IP addresses are unverifiable and you can't oppose them under the way this law was written. There's an excellent article in The Guardian that was pointed to by Boing Boing where he points out, look, this is the internet connection. The internet is not all about music. No matter what the RIAA, the MPAA [inaudible], FP and all of these organizations want you to think, and he goes through what he has done on the internet. I've only used the internet in the past week to contact my employers around the world, participate in a European commission expert proceeding to find out why my infant daughter has broken out in tiny pink polka dots, to communicate with a government whistle blower who wants to know if I can help publish evidence of official corruption, to provide references for one former student, book my plane tickets, access my banking records, navigate the new home office immigration rules governing my visa, wire money to help pay for the headstone for my great uncle's grave in Russia and send several father's day cards and receive some of my own. The internet is only that wire that delivers freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of press in a single connection. It's only vital to the livelihood, social lives, health, civic engagement, education and leisure of hundreds of millions of people and growing everyday. So of course, this trivial bid of kit is so unimportant that it's only natural that we equip the companies the broadest police academy 11, Windows Vista, Milli Vanillidy [phonetic] and celebrity dancing with the stars with wire cutters that allow them to disconnect anyone on the country on their own say, so without proving a solitary act of wrong doing. >> I think you just said Milli Vanillidy. >> Milli Vanillidy, I heard that too. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> You know what, I probably did. >> I just couldn't let it go. >> I really liked it. >> Don't you know it's true? >> But does that undermine the point? >> No. >> No, it doesn't. >> Maybe even makes it even stronger. >> Yeah. >> It makes me. >> It's just--it's just ridiculous, this idea that you know that we should cut off people's internet connection without proof that they've done anything wrong. Well then we should even not cut off their internet connection at all, you know, maybe a fine. Maybe some sort of punishment but you cut off their internet connection? You're gonna cut off their telephone connection next because they were singing songs over the phone, that's a public performance? >> I'm in trouble. >> But I can see the rationale that if the price is high enough there will be no takers at all because it's just too severe and you just won't even try it at all. >> I don't know about that. >> I mean there has to--What do you mean you don't know about that? >> Because there's so many good ways to encrypt your connection that the people who are really good at this will do it anyway and they won't get caught. >> Yeah. >> Exactly. >> And it's only people who aren't good at [inaudible] and encryption and things like that or people who just stumble, you know, accidentally they're being assigned the wrong IP address on the wrong day. >> Right. There needs to be a better filtering mechanism. I definitely think that you need to be able to prove that you didn't do this in order to get out of it and probably proving that it wasn't you, it's gonna be a big old fat nightmare. But, I'm still saying that there is--the rationale still exist that if the price is high enough, people won't try it. I mean you see that effectively in countries where there's no tolerance for drunk driving. People just don't really try it as much. >> Sure, but does the punishment fit the crime? I mean that [inaudible]. >> Right. >> --that's the case. I don't think this really will stop piracy. I think it will hurt more people, you know. >> No I don't think so either, but I also--I'm not completely opposed to the rationale behind it, that's what I'm saying. >> Yeah. I don't think you cut off someone's internet. In this day and age, the internet connection is becoming a vital. I think that's the point [inaudible] is trying to make here. And I don't think you cut off someone's internet connection for taking, you know, for taking a piece of intellectual property from the movie studio. I think there needs to be a punishment for it if it's true, if you know, and it is breaking the law. I actually think the law should be changed but the law is the law and if you violate the law there should be a punishment. But, you know, you cut off the power of their house too 'cause they used electricity when they were downloading that, you know. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> I mean where does it end? You take away their house 'cause they were in the house when they were downloading the illegal file? >> Yes. >> Yeah. You take away the house. >> So okay. So, Brian and Natali think they should take away their house, which we all know where we stand. We can agree to disagree. >> Yeah, you should take away the house but keep the internet there. [ Laughter ] >> Yeah, that will be-- >> Right. >> Its got a little lawn chair and a wire coming on the ground. >> Like in scrubs. >> How do you like you're internet now mister, [laughter] without a house? >> Speaking of internet connection, you may still be vulnerable to Conficker because it is not dead. Reports have surfaced that it may have still been spreading even though we didn't see a big explosion of the internet on April 1st. It is spreading itself over P2P and we think it may even include a key logger. >> That's the suspicion of Trend Micro researchers. We haven't got confirmation about that yet but the--they also have noticed that there's a root kit getting dropped in here as well. So it's definitely spreading by P2P. It's adding some new software to itself and it's--there are plenty of unpatched systems out there and plenty of infected systems out there to allow it to keep doing this. >> Now it does say though what, after May 3rd it's gonna shutdown and won't do anymore replication, so is that-- >> This-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> The module that's spreading will shutdown on May 3rd but Conficker will still be active-- >> Will still live. >> --and have its new software. It's basically getting a security update, you know, I mean it's like Conficker is phoning out to the P2P network and saying, "Hey, I need to be patched, what's the latest?" You know, and it's probably doing some things to prevent itself from being detected at the same time. You know, there's the Conficker iChart [phonetic] at confickerworkinggroup.org or the University of Bonn has another detector and I'm sure that whoever is making Conficker is working on ways to subvert those charts so you don't appear infected when you go to them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Reports are coming in that Apple is tying up all the NAND flash supply. Apple has reportedly placed orders over 100 million 8-gig NAND flash chips mostly with Samsung. So now those chips are in short supply 'cause Apple is gobbling them all up. >> Yeah, the price is up 16 percent for the first half of April for NAND chips. It looks like Apple is not alone. Of course, Sony and Nokia are also buying up a bunch of NAND flash. So, you know, it's not just an Apple thing that's pushing the price up. But Apple is buying a ton of 8 gig. >> Yes. >> And so we're trying to figure out, now do you pair those together in a phone? Do you put--can you put 4 of them in and make a 32-gig phone? Does the 16 gig have 8 gig? I don't know actually off the top of my head whether you have more than 1 flash chip or there it's a 16-gig flash chip. I thought it was a single flash chip, so-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> I thought it was just one. >> It would make a whole lot of sense for them to have 2 different, you know, slots for these things. That like--that's double the cost right there. >> So why would you be-- >> on how you house those things. >> Why would you be buying a bunch of 8-gig flash? >> Yeah, I don't know. >> If [inaudible] all the rumors-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Maybe there is a 99-dollar Wal-Mart iPhone or remember the rumor a couple of nights ago. >> Oh yeah. [ Laughter ] >> It could also, I mean-- >> But now with the price going up. >> Whatever their new "phone" is, a lot of times, you know it takes time for them to bump the store jump higher for these new models. So, if it's--entry level is 8 gigs maybe that's why there's all these 8 gigs coming out. >> Yeah. >> They're just putting single with chips in them for now. >> Other rumors that I've heard were that the new hardware would just be a capacity upgrade. There wouldn't be much else different about it. >> There's a lot of rumblings if you watch the Apple by--not that I'm plugging it, but a lot of, you know, new video-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> --evidence, hardware, software all types of stuff for the next gen potentially coming out, so. >> Alright. So anyway-- >> Yeah, they can drive the market price up. >> Any insight info, any astute speculations, enter to Buzz at CNET.com. Meanwhile, Google is responding more to the AP accusations that Google is stealing the content of the Associated Press. He said, "Look, I would encourage everybody to think in terms of what your reader wants." That's Eric Schmidt talking from Google. These are ultimately consumer businesses, and if you annoy enough of them, you won't--meaning the consumers, you will not have anymore of them, meaning the consumers. [Laughter] I think he speaks sense there which is-- ^M00:10:00 >> Well, yeah. >> You know, you want--you want to link--you want people to read your stuff so you need the links and then, you know--And the fact of the matter is Google has an agreement with AP. They pay money to AP, so why AP is getting so upset at Google is beyond me. Now the craziest thing is the story that's kicking around. Boing Boing has it, CNET has it as well. I can't remember who originally blogged it, but essentially WTNQ-FM in Tennessee put an Associated Press video on their website. Associated Press called WTNQ and said, "You need to take this down." WTNQ responded, we're an [simultaneous talking] AP affiliate, mind you, and they're like, yes, but you don't--you know, even as an affiliate you don't have the right to host that video and get it yourself. These aren't the exact words but it's essentially what happened. And WTNQ-FM said, "Okay, you know we're embedding the YouTube video that we got from your [simultaneous talking] YouTube channel that you make money off of." And they said, "Doesn't matter, take it down. You're posting our video." This is as quote, "You're posting our video content without a license and you have to ask--we have to ask you to remove the AP video concept from the site ASAP." >> They are just throwing up the baby with the bath water here. They just don't see what is their money stream and what's not and what's good for them and what's not. They're just--they're being megalomaniacs. >> I think this was a suit that is just totally out of touch and he's heard of the recent like rumblings about, you know, using the content, you know without permission. He just saw this embedded videos like "What, is this allowed?" and he just jumped on it. >> Well, here's the conversation from Frank Strovel's point of view. Frank Strovel is the operation's manager at WTNQ. Frank said, "How was it a violation of a license agreement if you are actively posting the video on YouTube on a channel you specifically created to share content with embed codes for people to post on their websites. Are you telling me that you put it there for people to use but if they use it, they're violating your rights?" And he said, the basic replay was, "We'll all have to investigate that issue further. But in the meantime you need to pull all our videos off your site." >> Exactly. >> AP is like your crazy uncle like they want you to use your stuff and then when you do, they don't like the way it is, like they just don't know what they're saying. >> Yeah, my guess is Brian's right. There's one web guy at AP who put all the stuff up of YouTube channel because somebody told him to and then this other guy has no idea that that's even happening or what YouTube is [inaudible]. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> That's--he doesn't even know that's a function of their business. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Now he does. >> BlackBerry Storm 2 rumors are a swirling over the past couple of days. Several publications including Unwired View have picked up on an interview given by RIM's Alain Segond von Banchet, who we speculate maybe a fencer or some sort of crime fighter at night. >> Say that 10 times real fast. [ Laughter ] >> Anyway he is sort of-- >> [Inaudible] crime fighter. >> He is actually the channel sales manager for BlackBerry in the Netherlands and he gave a discussion on the--that was originally published on twickers.net about the Storm 2 which would becoming out by the end of the year. >> Now apparently, they're saying they're gonna fix some of the bogginess of the touch screen which is a big complaint. Also, they may add WiFi because I think it's just such a big mistake that it doesn't have WiFi right now. And then I talked to Bonnie Cha yesterday because a friend of mine was asking when the Bold will come out on Verizon and she said that they may be working on a hybrid of Bold and Curve that will be coming out for Verizon but we don't know when, so-- >> The burve. >> Or the cold depending on which way you wanna look at it. [ Laughter ] >> I'd imagine they'd go burve over cold. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> It sounds like purr. >> As cold as ice >> Maybe the blurve to bring an L in from the Bold. >> And then they can use that song from the verb that would make there [laughter] in the Olympics. >> Nice. >> But don't forget the other rumor that's going around is that the touch screen would get improved 'cause a lot of people have complained about the Storm's touch screen. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> And there's--and one of the things served on Banchet, the [inaudible] said was that they would be improving the way the inputs are made. He said it much more eloquently than I just did. [ Simultaneous Talking ] [ Laughter ] >> Bottom line, they needed just get rid of that spring loaded touch screen. >> Yeah, exactly. >> That's what it--that's what it comes down to. They need to get rid of that thing. >> That was the main complaint, wasn't it? Not necessarily the touch screen was bad but that it's hard to get-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> When you text you have to wait for it to reload and spring back up so it's one letter at a time. >> Oh, that's annoying. >> So they need to fix that. >> You know people this days are just too impatient. >> No! >> Yeah. No. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Wanting more than one letter at a time. You kids are always in a hurry. >> It's like poking like [inaudible]. >> I used to write my text messages on cursive, on pigeons. >> One letter at a time. >> In Morse code. >> Yes. >> Morse Code is the original text message, I would say. >> That's true. >> That is very true actually. >> Telegraph is the original internet [ Laughter ] >> If you trace it back. It's sort of like tilt down man of the internet. >> Well, it spans time zones in the same way that Gmail can now--Gmail just launched a new Labs feature called Sender Time Zone that let's you tell if your contact is actually awake or asleep based on the time zone that the emails are being sent from. So, Google is watching you sleep, take out that bite guard. [ Laughter ] >> What, you wear a bite guard? >> How did you--I don't wear a bite guard. >> I wear a retainer. >> I don't know what you're talking about. [ Laughter ] >> I have no idea. >> Damn, I got my head gear on. I don't--go ahead. [ Laughter ] >> I was gonna say, when I read the story this morning, it's not that this particular Labs feature is all that intriguing to me 'cause I can't say that I ever really have to have a phone conversation with someone on the other side of the world. I just don't know people on the other side of the world really, but I will say that this email, or the story when I read it, kinda convinced me to switch over finally to Gmail I think. >> Really-- >> I think-- >> --this little thing? 'Cause I was like, oh, that's nifty but [simultaneous talking] I wouldn't even wanna talk about it on the show and think it was that big a deal until you said like, "I'm actually switching to Gmail." >> Yeah. >> But because of this thing--I mean this thing kind of annoys me a little bit because I don't think other people have the right to have expectations about when I email them back. >> Yeah. >> Well, it's just telling you what time it is where you are. >> Yeah. >> That's all. >> I mean I don't think that's not a good deal. >> Right, but I mean it's about the expectation like, oh, they're not writing me back because they're in a different time zone, and just having that information being sent. But, what are the other reasons? Certainly it's not this feature [simultaneous talking]. >> It isn't, it isn't. But this is indicative of what they've been doing a lot over the last couple of years with Gmail is that they're actually adding new cool features to it that really kind of--I mean whether they're useful to use specifically or not, it's just cool that they actually pay this much attention and work on improving the experience as much as they do. I've been with Yahoo Mail for an eternity [laughter] and I've enjoyed it. It's fine. I don't get attacked by spam the way a lot of people complaining about Yahoo Mail. But what I really like about Gmail more and more is that they focus so much attention on improving and integrating their other web apps and stuff into the experience that just kinda makes it seem a little bit more useful on that sense. I don't see Yahoo Mail making all these progressive kind of stuffs to say, "Hey, let's try these options. See how that works. Oh, this might work for you too." You know-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Yeah that's true. [ Simultaneous Talking ] [ Laughter ] >> I've been brainwashed. >> Thanks. >> No, it's the evolu--there are products that continuously evolve. >> Yeah, they're focusing. [Simultaneous talking] They're thinking outside the box. I hate to use that term but--[laughter] listen young man. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> It sounds, it sounds compelling to me. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> I have an email in my Yahoo inbox that is 10 years old. >> Yes, I do too. >> You do? >> Okay. [ Laughter ] >> That's all I have [inaudible]. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Was that a complaint or a comment? >> That was my conservative traditional defense of Yahoo. [ Laughter ] >> You, you know-- >> Do you have any Gmails that are 10 years old? No, you don't. >> I wrote an email in Yahoo and it snowing and it was [inaudible]. [ Laughter ] >> And then Jason is like, "Yeah, me too." >> I do. >> I'm still switching to Gmail. >> Yeah. [ Laughter ] >> Alright, fine. >> You've got mail. I'm sticking with my AOL mail. >> You've got-- [ Laughter ] >> And so are my parents. >> My email address is still email@example.com. >> Actually that was my first email address. It's PXK3--PXKT35A@prodigy.net. [ Laughter ] >> Wow! >> I don't even know why I remember that. >> My first email address-- >> I don't either. >> My first email address, my first email address was firstname.lastname@example.org. >> What was my college email address? >> Yeah, that was my college email address. >> btc@--No, it wasn't that. >> Something like that? >> Yeah. >> Alright. Will Wright will be getting a new email address soon as he leaves EA and heads to epithet. That's the name of the place that Will Wright, the maker of The Sims is going to. >> Yeah, and basically he's just gonna kinda go off to this think tank and then come up with new IPs, and if EA wants to pay for them he'll just get a nice fat chunk of money for him. >> You know with most people when you say think tank you just think of some sort of washing and [inaudible] with a boardroom. But with Will Wright, I imagine him actually going into some sort of fluid tank [laughter] and just having wires connected to his brain and all of his great ideas step out. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because the man is a genius. >> Didn't he work on Spore? He worked on Spore. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> He did work on Spore, but don't hold that against him. >> I was gonna say-- >> I like Spore. >> Do you--are you a Spore fun? I was kinda-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> I do, I like Spore on-- >> Too much height, too much height. >> Yeah, I like Spore on the iPhone. >> The Sims, SimCity, all of that franchise is incredible though. >> Yeah. >> So it will be interesting to see what comes out of this without the structure of EA saying, "we want you to go here," which was both good and bad. It was good 'cause it kept the franchise alive and kept it developing, but sometimes it felt like things were forced so, you know, and just to be the conspiracy theorist how much of this has to do with his limitations on Spore do you think and him saying, "You know what, they put that DRM [simultaneous talking] on there, you know, and I felt rushed at times maybe." I don't know, I'm making stuff up. And so that's why he's jumping to an independent where he doesn't--is a constraint. He'll come up with the ideas-- ^M00:20:00 >> Yeah. >> --put them out there and then they could say yes or no, but they're not messing with them along the way. >> I don't know how rush [simultaneous talking]. >> Sometimes people just need a change of pace. >> Yeah, I don't know. I mean it took a long time. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Spore was many years in the making but-- >> Yeah, that's true. >> That's true. >> It-- >> And--you go. >> No. >> Another thing that's in the making is Moblin or Moblin, how are we gonna say this? >> I'm gonna say Moblin. >> It looks like--it looks like goblin. >> 'Cause it's mobile-- >> Which is I wanna say-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Ooh, yes. I like it, Moblin. [ Laughter ] >> Okay. >> Fine Moblin [inaudible] >> Anyway, Intel is talking about Moblin which is a Linux based mobile platform and it's a new chip that will supposedly have a 2-second boot time which everyone wants. >> And so that I said, boot yeah [laughter] and Tom rolled his eyes. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> For that we're giving you the boot. >> Oh. >> A 2-second boot time-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> The door is over there, Brian. >> --is not something that they think they can easily do. It's something that they're challenging themselves to do but they think it's possible on Atom. And for those who know, parallelization is one way they're gonna go at it but they don't think that's the solution to everything so they're trying to come up with different ways that they think they can squeeze that boot time down. And this is just one of the things that's happening with Moblin as it's transitioned from being an Intel only project to being administered by the Linux Foundation. So, it will be sort of the first test case of whether transferring something to the administration of an outside open source organization but still guided, you know, from behind by a corporation is gonna work. I think it's a very interesting experiment that Intel is trying here, and if they can come up with 2 second boot time, it will be a huge win for that kind of model. >> Yup. >> Yeah. >> So shall we talk about CFLs then? >> Let's-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Because what else follows Linux better than compact fluorescent lamps. [ Laughter ] >> The two go together like peanut butter and saliva. >> Well, these have been touted [background talking] as something that you use to replace your incandescent bulbs and they are supposed to save energy, but apparently they're not. There are new studies showing not that they--new studies out that they actually slow--have slow warm-up time lower than advertised lifetimes and they're a hassle getting rid of. >> Yeah it's a problem because when you use the 13-watt bulb, you only get charged for 13 watts of service but because of the power factor and because of the way it pulls the current, you're actually generating the equivalent of 28 watts with a 13-watt bulb at a certain power factor. Now this is the edge of my understanding of this, I've just read up on it this morning. But the upshot is you are saving money with your CFL but the power company isn't saving as much energy as they would like to. Now CFLs are actually subsidized by the power companies in many cases so what EDN, who is reporting on this, suggested is maybe the power companies should only subsidized the CFLs that have a high power factor and don't have this current problem that the majority of the CFLs which the power factor is on a ranking of 0 to 1, 1 being very good, very efficient and CFLs range in the 0.45 to 0.5 range which is pretty much unacceptable. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> So, there you go California with your, oh, we're gonna make everybody buy CFLs. Think twice. >> Right. The lifespan is also a big deal. You know, you wanna make sure that they have as promised life and not that we expect all of our gadgets and give most to perform exactly as they say but-- >> We hope so. >> --still this is something that we're working on is increase lifespan. I once read an article--I think I found it in Spark [phonetic] about a light bulb that lasted 70 years. Isn't that cool? [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> How do you test that? >> And it was from Spark, so it was true? [ Laughter ] >> Yeah, ain't that right? >> Well, it was from a local news organization-- >> Okay. >> --that put on to Spark so I believe everything that goes on. >> That local news organization, just to check, just checking, was not the [inaudible]. Okay. [ Laughter ] >> No. I don't think so. >> Okay. >> This is--this may have been 70 years ago. It was a long time. [ Laughter ] >> Yeah. Well I--yeah, I mean the other problem with CFLs is they don't last the 7 years that they're supposed to. You know it's what they say on the package usually. You have to replace them more often and it's a disposal problem because you're not supposed to just throw these in the garbage 'cause of the mercury. You have to dispose of them properly. And if they're burning out faster-- >> Yes. >> --then it's more of an inconvenience. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Yeah. >> Well, Twitter is not an inconvenience for Mark Cuban and Shaquille O'Neil. They are going at it over Twitter and you can follow them at their--And what are they saying to each other? Just like, "Hey, meet me here. Hey, I got it in for you." It's just kind of a fun little Twitter rivalry. >> As an NBA junkie, really they're friends from awhile ago but the whole brouhaha of them is--was recently Shaq was in Dallas for a game and he actually stayed an extra day, and so they were kinda talking about getting together because there are potential rumblings of Shaq wanting out of Phoenix and going to Dallas where he owns a home, he loves the area. So, their exchange was kind of for twitters that were watching we're like, "Oh, is Shaq really potentially coming to Dallas Mavericks to play?" So, that was the whole thing was about. >> Well yeah, I mean the exchange was weird. [ Laughter ] >> Shaq says, "I'm looking for you Mark Cuban." And then Cuban responds, "You know where I live." And then Shaq says, "And make sure to wear your best Shaq Albert outfit to the arena tomorrow." And then during the game-- >> Yeah-- >> And he said, "Okay I will." >> --that Shaq is playing against Cuban's team-- >> Mavs, it's hard. >> --he says, "Gotta love the real Shaq's heart. Dude never lets up." And then it turns weird afterwards where Cuban says to Shaq, "Not happy about it but I'll be there." And then says a couple of hours later "Shaq found me, wish I could say what happened. I kept my cool." So now I feel like they're trying to pull one over and make it sound like they're fighting or something. >> Yeah it's called fake beef. I don't know where I have seen that before. >> Never. >> I twitter challenge you to a duel. [ Laughter ] >> Never fake beef. Not even in fun. >> Yes. >> I never do that, would you ever do that? >> No I would never do that, no. >> So it's just--are they trying to get more twitter followers. Is that why or they just wanna-- >> [Inaudible] Shaq has got like 600,000 followers. I think they're just having fun. >> The thing about is twitter and the NBA, they're kind of familiar with each other because you have that player who twittered. You even see during like half times they were recently timed out, twitter getting in the way of NBA games. So the NBA community is very familiar with twitter. It's become a part of its culture. >> Another culture that got a cool thing happening to it was the Star Trekker culture. Folks showed up in Austin, Texas to watch a special screening of the Wrath of Kahn as you do because that's a classic. >> Yes. >> And they were surprise by Leonard Nimoy showing up and saying, "Yeah you know what, you're not gonna watch the Wrath of Kahn, we're gonna show you the new Star Trek in advance." >> That's pretty cool. >> That's a great little bonus there. >> Now can you-- >> So it's out. It's out, oh sorry. >> According to the--was that a real phone in the background. >> That was, yeah, retro. >> Or was that like a ring tone? >> It's my iPhone but it's like way at the other end of the room. [ Laughter ] >> I didn't even know it was here. >> It suddenly sounded like we were in the 60's. >> I think I had it like I will carry in it in my sweater when I came in here and I dropped it like I always, you know, and I didn't know it's in here. [ Laughter ] >> You need a case girl. >> I don't want one. I just wanna push these things to their limits. But let's talk about Spock. >> Anyway back to the Star Trek's prequel. The film was apparently, according to the BBC, given a 6-minute standing ovation and one film [inaudible] said fans were crying. >> I can't even imagine. >> Crying? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Crying 'cause of Spock or-- >> Because they were so happy about getting to see it. >> Well, can you imagine especially with how passionate Star Trek fans are. I've never considered myself a huge Star Trek fan. I definitely wanna see this movie. >> Yes me too. >> But, you know, if you're so passionate about something as fans of Star Trek are and you show up for like a throwback of showing of the Wrath of Kahn and this happens, I mean it's like--it's like a dream right there. >> Were they crying before the movie started or-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> That's what I wanna know. >> No, no. This is after. [ Laughter ] >> One fan called it-- >> I'm so happy I can't contain myself. >> One fan called it the best Star Trek movie ever. Yes it even beat Wrath of Kahn. Another said the cast is superb. The story is compelling. The action is exciting. >> I can. >> And the third said just saw the new Star Trek movie and it melted my pants. [ Laughter ] >> It's like-- >> Ladies you know where to go. You know where the keepers are. >> It's like Leonard Nimoy is Oprah Winfrey saying "You were in the screening!" [ Laughter ] >> Yeah, that's true. >> You were in the screening. [ Laughter ] >> It's like insanity. >> And check under your seats because-- >> Because we have Leonard Nimoy there for one of you. >> We're about to be new to the movie. >> That's creepy. [ Laughter ] >> That's awesome though. >> I don't want Leonard Nimoy-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> That's super cool. >> Alright, let's move on to the voice mails. We have the first one from Jimmy in California asking, is Costco the crowd? >> Cloud, I wrote that wrong. It's-- >> Hey Buzz crew, this is Jimmy from [inaudible] California. Just thought I let you know that I found a great way to back up the pictures, take them to Costco. Turns out they keep them on file. I found out originally with my wife back home some pictures that had smudges on them. On the next day I went back to take them, all I needed was the receipt for them to bring them up. So it turns out that Costco just might be the cloud. Great show, keep it up. I miss Molly. >> So, if you go to Costco and you've like--you just wanna print your pictures again, they'll have them all. >> And you have to have the receipt. >> Yeah, you have to have the receipt, alright. >> But that's kind of cool. >> I wonder--I wonder how long they hold on to them though. >> It's kind of cool but kind of scary, yeah, exactly. Then what do they do with them. >> Especially if they're not telling you that they're holding on to them. >> Yeah. >> But you can--can't you--doesn't Costco also host your photos on a web application? >> I don't know this. >> I think they do. >> Oh really? [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Yeah. It's like in Flickr because one of my-- >> That's not so creepy then. >> Yeah, so the--it's not quite as creepy because you can always sign on and see those. The way it's creepy is that he doesn't know this. >> Right, exactly. >> And you should know that. >> Yeah. ^M00:30:00 >> So. >> That's just in from the chat room by the way. Monster Cable is suing an American automotive manufacturing company called Monster Transmission. >> Oh man. >> What? >> Just in the ongoing Monster is suing everything and being stupid report. Someone sent the link there at the chat room. >> It is. >> Well, I'll try to grab it and put it in the show notes. We got one more voice mail here and really I have no way to describe it, you just have to listen. >> Hey Buzz Out Loud, it was just now that I was drinking beer out of a Rubbermaid tub through a little tube that I really realize that everything in the world when it comes to technology is completely backwards. It keeps bursting new things upon us. [Inaudible] like the car auto industry where there's sort of a standard where there's 4 wheels and they just need to go from that kind of thing and I know it's probably wrong, but maybe if they adopted some of the things in the car industry, maybe the technology will be doing a lot better. I think that's been sarcastic, sorry. >> Thanks for the drunk dial. >> Ladies and gentlemen there is an example, don't drink and dial. >> This BSA brought to you by Tom Merritt of CNET. >> Are you sure beer was the only thing in that Rubbermaid tub? [Humming] A Rubbermaid, I'm drinking beer out of a Rubbermaid tub or two? >> I don't know. I'm a little perplexed. >> Yeah. >> Let's move on to the emails. [ Laughter ] >> We had one from Matthew. He says, "Hey Buzz crew, on episode 945 you guys talked about taking breaks for internet at work and about how productive that might be. I laughed when Tom mentioned people working in a call center. I work in a large call center and most of our supervisors do not mind if we take a few minutes here or there to check well known sites such as CNN.com or other related news sites, hopefully cbsnews.com. They do not allow us to surf sites such as Twitter or Facebook because of security risks. I just thought I'd pass that along." >> What security risk is Twitter? >> Seriously, Twitter? I mean okay there actually is a security argument for Facebook because of the apps and all that. >> Uh-hmm. >> But it's a pretty low security risk. >> 'Cause of [inaudible] face. >> And CNN videos I believe at one point had a virus in the player or something. Maybe I'm remembering that wrong but certainly if not CNN, other video news organizations have had flaws in the players that had security risk bigger than Facebook. But Twitter, there's a security risk for Twitter? >> Boss just walked by my desk. >> Yeah I mean-- >> Security. >> Is that the kind--maybe that's the kind of-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> The security they mean is the social and like--like you putting proprietary information app, that kind of thing. >> Exactly, that's spilling information out outwards instead of just taking them. >> Yeah, because Twitter is the only way you can spill information. >> Yeah, you can't do it via email or anything like that. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> No, absolutely not. >> Alright, so. >> [Inaudible] mobile clients I guess. >> Anyway, kind of weird, Matthew, but I'm glad--you know, after all of that mocking of the security policy, I am glad that they are wise enough to say like, hey, if you take a couple of minutes to read some news headlines, that's cool. You need that break. So don't be [inaudible] by Matthew hopefully. Wayne, the visual effects artist from Quebec, Canada wrote in and said, "I just finished listening to episode 948 where you followed up on the variable pricing from iTunes, Amazon et cetera. My first reaction was that, since I'm in Canada, my songs will still be 99 cents for a while longer. Nope. I just checked and, sure enough, all songs are now .69, .99 and a buck 29 per song. Amazing! It took us over a year to get the iTunes store in Canada after it was launched in the United States because of licensing issues. Just as long to get TV shows and movie rentals for the same reason, we couldn't get the iPhone until the second generation, and when I checked over the weekend most of my purchased music still was not available for the DRM free upgrade. But raise the price by 30 cents so the record labels can make more money and the Canadian music industry is instantly all over it. Capitalism, gotta love it. Speaking of love it. Love the show. Tom, your segues are rubbing off on me. And P.S., Natali, I hate FiOS because FiOS hates Natali." >> Yeah! >> Yeah! >> That's right. [ Laughter ] >> That was going down. [ Laughter ] >> I still want it. I still do. >> No you don't. >> Don't listen to her. Bring it to me. Don't hold it against me. I want the fiber-- >> Alright, do you like-- >> You want it to fail for you. >> I want it to fail on my own. >> You like being overcharged on your credit card. >> I don't care. >> Okay. >> I am bedazzled by your speed. [ Laughter ] >> Anyway, about Canada, hate it for you again. Go ahead, Jason. >> Donald--Donald, the still out of work software engineer writes in says, perhaps for its next upgrade cycle, the eyeborg might consider one of these. And he has a link in the chat room. Let's say, what is it, an exmoveres? >> A link in the chat room. >> Alright, sorry, a link in the show notes. He says, "If you ask me, it looks like the 21st century version of a centaur except instead of a lower half being a horse, it's a Segway." And you have got to go to our show. That's bol.cnet.com and click on that link because it's a man standing in what looks like a robot. >> He's in a bag-- >> It's really creepy. >> He's got a vacuum cleaner on his legs. >> It's gonna-- >> Yeah. >> That's a rumba under there, that's like awesome. >> That's a rumba. >> That guy could mug you, he could seriously hurt you. You can't run from that guy. >> He can only go as fast as the Segway though. >> Yeah. I was gonna say, you know, go 20 miles an hour. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> You're a lot more agile than him. He possess legs, they're all encased in this robot thing. >> So why is this--it being targeted-- >> Just push him over sideways. He can't do anything. Sorry. >> Why is this being targeted in this--in there like promotion as like a perfect business means tool. [ Laughter ] >> Yeah. >> Like why [inaudible] he's walking along with his, you know, cranked with a briefcase. >> He's like rolling right next to the [inaudible] and like hello. >> If you haven't been able like, maybe you're on a train or something, you can't get to the link right away, you got to realize, this thing goes all the way up above the waste. There's like a black band just below the sternum. >> I bet he is not wearing any pants under there. [Laughter] Like he was--Don't have to wear pants all day. >> That never crossed my mind. >> Those are his pants. [Laughter] The big robotic thing, are his pants. >> And there's actually quite a lot of ventilation in here. It's very comfortable. >> Yeah. [ Laughter ] >> Wow. >> He doesn't have legs anymore. They have been subsumed into the circuitry. [ Laughter ] >> Wow, I don't get it. >> The thing is eating him. It's gonna take him over soon. Run. >> Okay. >> Crazy. >> Should I read the next email? >> What if that thing short circuits, couldn't that really be bad for your junk. >> Seriously, for all kinds of things, yeah. >> Yes. >> Just saying don't do it kids, don't run, don't break a dial BOL and don't wear exoskeletons. >> I wouldn't test that out. No. Go ahead, Brian. >> Alright, here we go. This is Jimmie from KC. Hey Buzz Out Loud. Yesterday, you had a caller mention that Mutant Chronicles was on Video on Demand before theaters. Here is a second movie that I know is going to debut on VOD, Video on Demand, before hitting theaters. The movie is called Surveillance. It is directed by Jennifer Lynch and produced by David Lynch, two well known directors. It will be on VOD on May 29th and in theaters on June 6. I'm excited about this and I hope this trend continues. Also the new TV series Southland premiered on Hulu a week before was broadcast on TV. Here is the link to the surveillance site where it shows the date of the release and the trailer, pretty cool >> And I watched this trailer, man. It is Lynchian stuff like very twin pixie, very weird horror mystery. It looks good. Mutant Chronicles look good in a different way, in a sort of like I'm gonna laugh at that zombie way. [Laughter] This looks like an amazing movie. >> Yeah. >> Like I wanna see this movie-- >> It looks good. >> --and I love that they are like, you know what, we're gonna try this theory that you, all you Buzz Out Loud crazy people have been saying about just, you know, put it out there in the internet as a promotional tool and see what happens. >> Yeah. >> Go get him, Lynch's. >> Lynchian. >> Thank you for that. And our last email today comes from Mary Jones. She says, hi guys, as stupid as it sounds, I know of at least two reasons why someone would downgrade from Vista or even Windows 7 to XP and not that they are great reasons. First reason, I work for a company that edits patents for the government and even though we are a division of a major publishing company and can probably afford to upgrade our software, we have to use the programs that the government mandates and some of these program still rely on a command line interface. Apparently, the government doesn't trust us to make tables using the GUI-based program. >> Or why would they? >> Who knows. Given how many bugs are in these programs. Sorry, bags. Given how many bugs are in these programs and every time they tweak it, things go wrong like we can't print in bold or something. I don't think they're working to update it and make it compatible with anything beyond XP who tried to convince our contractor to let us use newer programs, but it's a no go so we're stuck using XP for the foreseeable future and I do mean future. The second reason, just today my parents called to ask me if they can downgrade their brand new computer to XP because their old copies of programs like Lotus 1, 2, 3, aren't compatible with Vista. >> Oh my god, wow. >> Yeah, there are alternative but my stepfather is 85, still reminisces about punch cards and he works for IBM until the mid 80's. I'm still trying to talk him out of it. Anyway, those are two annoying reasons. Thank you, Mary. >> And we have another--Oh yeah, Mary, thanks a lot. We had another person write in and say that their place of work has a proprietary program that doesn't run on Vista and probably won't run on Windows 7, so they--you know, the whole shop would have to essentially buy new software and change new software so they either have to choose to downgrade the XP or not get new computers. >> Yeah. >> And so--I mean there are a lot of legacy programs out there. That's where backwards compatibility comes in. We have call screening software for CNET Live-- >> Yeah, that's right. >> --that is really meant for I think Windows 3.1. [Laughter] It will run on Windows XP but it's, you know, I mean it is old and it does not run on Vista. >> Yeah. >> It cannot run. >> None of us can. >> And they have no update to that, right? They have--we're using an update. I don't know if they have--Like even if we wanted to pay for it, I don't know if they have an update that is compatible with Vista yet. That's a good question, but definitely the one that we bought and we don't wanna buy another one-- >> Yeah. >> --doesn't work on Vista. So it's that same situation of like, we don't wanna pay the upgrade. >> Right. >> Yup, 'cause we're cheap. >> You're saying it. [ Laughter ] >> And if you would like us to be able to afford to upgrade-- ^M00:40:00 >> Yeah. >> --you need to listen to a lot of our podcast so that we can sell them and make money. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> That's right. 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