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Ep. 702: Where it's the end of the world as we know itOn today's episode of The 404, we're examining the many ways that personal privacy is on its way out the door.
-- -- -- It's been over -- -- It's strictly to. -- -- O'Reilly deep -- let's go -- they what is it -- I guess that -- -- the November 4 -- disgusting November. I'm Wilson -- I'm Natali del Conte and I just didn't really this is the show way it's the end of the world as we know. And I'm not sure you feel so -- outlook I think you don't feel definitely okay how a dispute over here a little bit you. And the -- Thursday Natalie yeah name that you know little bumper heavier than you do remember the story we did about that iPhone cover that was like a full body plastic thing yeah brown last week -- use your Smartphone in the -- -- globally thing yes you need and -- -- -- -- need he wouldn't ever think again you lucked out that. All your -- That's been covered in my own filth and it's do we it'd be discussed -- be interesting to see which has similar pollutants in -- are out. -- -- -- -- -- -- Powell this morning is truly disgusting that just adjusting you. I have. Now we don't look up and it was just disgusting and -- -- and not only was it raining. It was like the cold -- yet you don't like where yes it's like you. -- good feeling you get out when you get out of the shower threat and it's freezing in the morning yes that's how New York feels all right all. So I think he's an umbrella and you don't think so called it I had to ride my bike to work this morning ten we'll read it it's really -- -- its deceiving because I live on the fourth floor my apartment building. -- -- look -- like well it's free going -- does it open. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- High quality figure putting in here president of all those cans of Coke that you could be -- network. Back button and the way to the pre show we talk about why the Internet is coming to it and that's it. FaceBook feature called the the Internet -- to -- -- it it's this is beginning of the end for me because I understand it like you know FaceBook places. Wants -- couple weeks ago we predicted to -- I said is that. There's gonna be like advertising based in -- location aren't like plants than they do it yet FaceBook -- -- training used to let them know where you were at any given moment and then lo and behold yesterday during their mobile -- -- They announced baseball deals where they -- -- -- into place in segregating discounts. Things like that. And you know I have posted on Twitter this morning I'm like -- I think it's gonna be very close to the day soon you can heavily subsidized. Cellphone plans. If if someone knows -- -- New York we're talking about the story last week because Starbucks has started doing that thing where you walk by. And you're connected on your phone and -- automatically think you relative coupon that's only in the UK right -- he gave it sounds like they're trying to do that with FaceBook here. Red -- it -- 1990 need to be the mayor you just need to show up and check in in in the sand like fifty dollars up. Pic com Brad and I yet. A -- you know. Eric but I don't want -- it -- written to rule the world and any anti. Right what we're talking about is jet was saying he would never there could be enough money in the world that would let someone track where you are at all times. If they subsidize your phone bill for the month would do you think you would go for -- colony where if -- Okay. I'm gonna work -- in them yeah. Italian and eating out predators. You know go to coffee I think okay he every now could be -- -- -- that's the Big Brother it yet dead I don't care Medicare. I care on principle I don't care because and -- died in the evening right. Okay I'd like for most people especially with the iPhone for them ready bitches about this and the average phone bills at least a hundred dollars -- if you get like a decent text messaging plan plus unlimited data -- the minimum 450. You know voice minutes that you -- that's I believe the lowest on ET TE. They cost you know at least a hundred dollar bucks a month for an iPhone it. And you know a lot of people. Known where you war are giving up that information might be worth it yeah it depends on who you gonna give that to do you trust FaceBook -- each just -- -- -- -- Apple each at Starbucks. -- you a coupon clipper. It now -- really that you know nine. I like it deals like if someone you it's me coupon not carried in my -- like I think carrying this one dollar -- -- -- -- -- -- -- like a ten out there and LA could diaper -- -- -- you think that you're spending money for Jensen payment you know for excrement it kills. -- united I -- -- plastic groups you baggage thing. Hi that the heavy duty I down -- it's likely his little bouncy thing above the toilet is that. Then I'm sorry I'm. I'm -- technology is innovative ways I know I had -- minister -- the other day and -- blocked by Munich what did stagger away from what the white -- Yeah tech mommy ever -- pretty cool look at. Oh that's totally Chile and I loved it could cut that -- Yeah I mean. -- they -- -- the fact you don't go anywhere. As you admitted. IE it's gonna he's still creepy that FaceBook knows that you're at home all the time. -- yeah me but they can't and sent me to do anything differently -- like I think it means you know his cancer cannot right. I -- homes and your behavior I really think we're -- you get to a point where it like I know I I really believe this Google. FaceBook. An Apple. Between the three of them probably know more about -- -- federal government don't. They know everything about and in fact I would venture to say what they know about me might put me in jail at some point. -- -- -- -- -- And another thing is that I mean not like. I'm make huge -- -- on the Internet but I definitely go to some website that I would know what my mom knowing that I go to the I'm you know -- so the fact -- -- -- tracking my Internet usage I get paranoid about just the company's IT guy doing when I look at online work. Let's let cool until they don't even know inability across the country looking -- whatever it. This Internet what do you think of this single sign on -- app only FaceBook I think this is really interesting another thing they announced was that if you're signed into your FaceBook app. Then you can use FaceBook single -- and for other apps like Yelp. They can sign into your yell -- using your FaceBook ID so it's basically FaceBook connect for the app world with OK yeah I was getting into a scene yeah and edit and again however you feel about the -- the -- gonna think about this. With mobile yeah exactly and I think that you know especially given everything gone so do you like a little too serious about this -- but everybody sort of anticipating next year. That all the phones are gonna have like RFID chips are gonna have these little. I guess radio things that you'll -- to buy stuff with your phone and -- it's been like. Oh why you mean RFID when there are things like -- our codes in what I mean mixing your GI let me patient harm yet instead of -- -- -- your wallet and Apple has your credit card number. What's to stop them from from you just leave your iPhone from that we don't need -- ID and then we'll be I forget what the chips called the second year field. And the -- or something but it I mean essentially is reading an ID. You pilot to type something in your iPhone. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I don't know might need a separate shipped proximity to it and I'm talking about it actually paid for something -- I know you can add all -- back he can do that Starbucks you can do -- a lot of other places I mean who's that who's to say that. Connection -- -- FaceBook partners who Wal-Mart -- that's like the whole country that point that's like every guy that everything anybody spends. The federal pull out your credit card dissuade her iPhone and -- Android phone right in front of you know -- the to check out -- I get them says that the hardware and stuff. I got hardware and -- case that -- yes in theory I I understand time. Yellow paint a -- to be confused about which mobile payment services used as we talked about this on -- prevalent yesterday PayPal just has their new mobile laptop for the iPhone -- and they're offering merchants incentives for. Them to offer special deals people that use their mobile app. And so between that and and -- and all these -- like fortune for a great deals like how do you know what is the best way to save money. With all these different services -- -- have. To think that since eBay owns PayPal and there's that about paying for other things his eBay doesn't wanna be just like failure -- kind of service they -- -- -- proper store and so you'll be able to buy more things and that when you're talking and it's really interesting but it it's only in San Francisco -- you can just say okay where can I. I don't have cash today where can -- done by my burrito and just take its hand my PayPal account do you think is gonna be data comes in the near future where we just won't have cash in wars all be digital. I have always but I I don't know -- the end of wallets as we know did you see there's sixty minutes piece that two years ago at the end of change -- how much it -- -- -- -- -- -- cost RUS banks still much more to print that we take a loss on it because it's really expensive metals did that. And it doesn't you know playing Internet society as a whole movement to get rid of this small change in general good with -- overrated I hate watching it it's in cell hit fifteen I mean he changed to. Let -- -- that. Change you can't believe he -- Keep the change for. -- and elegant -- and let me yeah the and -- I. Will we know Americans arrogance yes definitely -- for exactly. -- did you hear about this -- -- put this article in the run down some movie. Theaters not only are -- this one movie theater company is trying to implement scanners when you walk in. To make sure that you don't have a recording device on -- which includes phones and so they're gonna -- you check in your phone when you first into the movie theater not only that but once you're inside there's actually cameras that record your reaction to the film. In order to. -- -- an attention did not an -- made it happen to you what are you excited that it's basically market research isn't that kinda creepy could you imagine while you're watching a movie and have giant theater camera pointed at. You know that's scary can. You live by and for it like the -- of us to go in game this is stemming go into a really. Sad movie and to start laughing -- yeah. -- -- the -- -- I thought don't movie companies are he did this. When you know for testing and one -- easiest -- in the trailers for like paranormal activities audience reaction -- -- but this is forestry anymore actually. Old -- -- you like I'm gonna go to the ANC. -- -- -- -- -- Right -- you feeling like it's an invasion of your privacy like you should. Be entitled to your own emotions yeah I just so much yeah you should -- -- to try and -- we -- -- right yeah. Okay and and you know -- enacted -- -- -- American -- about. -- not to get you know to explicit here but. You know just my memories from -- school in middle school. I don't -- -- want a camera pointed at the in a movie theater right that was initially there to watch a movie. Growth -- what would say hello hello this. Oranges gotta -- -- -- of the way more personal cool idea like I don't you know I mean outlook that you went in high school I figured it out with -- How how. Yeah yeah yeah -- here. Well -- is making. You can lose lots. And everything accidentally -- about I could be a problem for young people -- definitely I mean -- I just think about it like how right. To me -- the only off. Did you get back from you perverted or hurt and I know I say kind of image her current analog Napa but nothing the only way that I -- see camera's working in the B that is that the use to stop people from talking while the movie running -- if they were using that night vision spot people that were chatting too much and then use that yeah. Yeah I could see them punished them out like some kind of unknowable giant figured out. I don't and I do -- of this -- is I don't know that -- left hand -- yeah. Give an exact -- dude just drops. Yeah absolutely -- aired yet and I thought -- -- -- because that's the other things like you know. That's great do you know that someone's -- the movie there on the phone whatever. But -- always in that -- the usher is like thirteen 1415 year old you don't believe -- yes there is. He weighs like buck and with a flashlight here with a flash lady goes to the use -- the guys 250 pounds. Who who's probably you know on Roy grades GoDaddy now is chuck. An. Adamant that. Yeah exactly -- -- equity value add to that effect did you get -- -- enough to go -- tell them to stop talking granite phone. This is gonna get blizzard how many -- you've almost seem breakout movie theater. Some time yeah I think all the time -- not yet my -- is the worst violator that she will always turnaround typical -- -- Even if they're talking during the trailer. -- -- Thing and leveled with scary what does that mean you know Asian you gave it to -- -- the look of death and the immediately showed -- -- every that it. Chinese want to go to church people with. -- you get embarrassed by that yeah. I would turn around like apologize my modeling. You know they do it's it's the electing the -- you start looking like they're writing it well -- This darling yeah yeah did. Yeah. But let -- your mom did yeah. Already downloaded at least it. -- -- are doing a movie. -- -- Selling nasty and they sit down in a movie -- because it's dark in in -- I mean it's just in the right address they think it's completely anonymous can can I think the -- a lot when I was pregnant and getting it go to the bathroom people like well how dare she and Mike -- -- the F I. That's I can here. But you do at all IMAX movie theater it's eighteen dollars UPC like a regular -- pregnant and they can't just walk right in front of you for -- 22. You I didn't ask you about that yet and I mean like out of that doesn't actually mean that -- should talk to you that way I'm just saying. -- my public service announcement today everyone but yeah. So now we are you -- to be that woman that bring the -- to movie theater. And now it only -- that I can get a -- for Harry -- and it. Yeah it's. How. Like my -- come early. I love Harry potters. I know I did -- -- Harry Potter movies tolerated but this is like the seventh one right. And it's not like a seven play hey. I inside and it's the first part of the seven point -- and I haven't I haven't seen the movies past. The third one they know what they're worth watching engineered and now the bad -- that. Let's all take a little break here we've got some voice -- some more stories and a lot more fun on the other side -- guys in the this is that form of hard. Captors to show where we can't -- God I'm secure it to -- yeah. I'm actually. Attention feedback continue to. Could get it to work. Just the right way so -- it still learning. That's chemically treated in advertising that in town you know Intel's Vietnam that's a class and as -- -- -- live and I noticed that Google TV is being advertised on Hulu which -- -- -- -- to -- what's New England yet he created really you know weird. You know I I was super excited about Google TV. And then I really think this is that the perfect case of releasing unfinished products -- on polished products. Is gonna destroy you lake all the possibility. Really cool stuff -- -- someone else comes in doesn't -- really well. It seems like Google plays -- that if they built if you build it they will come -- a lot they develop Android it wasn't really cool thing until people started to make that ecosystem good that you and your right it's not good -- every one -- -- exactly and -- is really upsetting because I was watching these you know the -- -- -- nine we have a couple of units in the office. And all it is Google TV right now all it is is a glorified web browser. On your television grant yeah -- keyboard that comes with it right how do you actually got a Logitech keep grass yet you look mean like the fact that you have to use a keyboard the first place to do is cut off putting. And the fact that -- You know when you play YouTube videos and it -- I mean there are full screen options. But essentially it's loading up the web page right and it only takes up like it eighth of the screen. So and I -- watching your computer and -- it. If I'm just gonna look be looking at a web browser why should I have to you know why should I look at it might be extreme right I only see some really cool stuff in one day like I really wanna see like -- and apps and religion has on there. So who knows. Media Cucamonga is doing better in her usual. Apple TV hear anything right I mean there's so many people standing in the way of that -- -- to say that it's their fault lake. Am lofty ideas for it it's good idea in theory that. You know there's so many people -- -- -- in the way because they want their. And oh yeah and you know -- -- we can say this our parent company makes billions of dollars every year off transmission fees and and you know they. Ray I think that -- that billions of dollars yet it and so you they have to play the waiting game have to figure out what's -- appropriate time to start really doing that again. Arouses little discipline but I didn't realize that they were going to be airing ads on Hulu that makes. No sense that's for Google TV products. But still it's not it's not just Google TV but it was like. In and -- new Samsung TV that has Google TV and that was the feature dynamic -- any -- and the TV on Hulu. When I level things that I can't. -- -- Kennelly in that I mean and you know who's not gonna -- -- an advertising. -- -- app from Google content -- money yet exactly we get a couple voicemails play just a few. And keep -- you can keep sending in money -- execs for forcing it to 68. I promise I'm not -- yet I actually play. And listen to know we definitely also more lenient on video voice mails while -- -- YouTube videos and those that link and you'll have a better transit and standards are lower right -- yeah if -- woman like it's gonna get right away pretty in his eighties that humans are you looking into the camera. And we'll play. I hold up random things around you. The season and didn't -- sandwich yeah. Not assume that it's -- for the -- There's the formula. -- get to some voice -- right now. -- -- -- -- -- -- of CNET. Gates who we get a couple. I was -- one. Actually refers to you just and a you took a little bit about. You transforming. And I. Congratulate you a great show. Larry it. And I hope Mac. Director. Mac -- Oh yeah let me. Eight. Oh yeah. And no it's got. Hello I'm a it yeah the other day we could get the huge right on the video and -- my skin looked all green -- you actually do that yeah yeah. It'll look like outlook is kind of stuck -- this for you. It -- Chinese will know and that's the main -- I in the final and it. And you keep on -- these neutral colors that didn't and look -- and all that has looked like Jeff you're. I. Get to meet him and if you know -- Natalie welcome. Yeah alliances again. Yeah not quite -- -- from -- you naked yeah. That though is -- gravity. -- Well we love having fun around here at the so let's get to another voice -- this one is actually who played his. This is this one this is one of my favorite games of the year was the scandal yellow what's up with the camera. Hi. Yes -- way you don't expect it. This is the my GI yellow blob -- -- and. -- your mouth that's pretty cool is that we've talked with -- orbit that sort of looks like you need Bruce -- game of death you outfit. And end at all -- Charlie -- again. Right until it to yellow shirt that an instant hasn't improved I. Well we got. -- know about my favorite video game this year. It was close Tuesday Joe's or what you there's the there's a new angry bird in the Halloween edition. It's only. You're several levels. Also stoked because -- -- -- in order to restart and every level. Only thing you Dominic. I guess cover it whether. Halloween and leverage that's where you're at the office until -- I can't have you got that out about that he did we -- out and well you know watching our staff -- I'm sorry I got enough to do are ready. No no with. The new and -- birds. Visit apt for any -- it removes the game it's just it's the if there's a new and you birds. In -- -- Halloween it is okay and it's. -- -- and and have -- yeah yeah yeah I highly revered prodigy. Prodigy prodigy parties that -- this -- and something like I mean my years -- -- even play that -- -- like a week now or any Halloween is. Asked you must criminality it I've beaten that game already yeah and now mama -- -- three stars. It's. This makes no sense you don't know but I'm reading about and it says that's 45 more levels that's crazy Alia and it's still not enough yet yeah I've I've destroyed relationships with amber. All behind them bill's dad -- they gets. Good stuff this -- one last voicemail this is from DM greatness if you remember yesterday. Yeah -- video voice mail. Where he held up a drop it torture whose brought it belong to yet -- is -- sisters or maybe not -- but. I don't know I his explanation for his little rule want -- I don't really believe it in anyway and you're. On -- who eat so. There are right here. They guys that it's the increase in one that created the air -- all things not. -- broad question it was part of an old Halloween costume. We -- here. I would still a lot of -- do who have knocked on doors. Ash. To. Be. This -- -- -- -- here on this served for fifteen. No one's ever told me -- for doubtful. -- I'm glad. -- And yes I do it with. Grandma. I don't know. Oh it looked. -- Oh look. -- like 90%. Of our listeners yeah. Podcast at home when -- revealed -- The thing about -- little bracket done while went through all it's missing how. Get that -- and then. Happened to be any Halloween costume they had in his lap at the time reported that video weird -- in desire. Okay what's gonna take you words. That -- I don't I don't believe I do it on either say -- the fact that you have at home hit. -- yet yeah I had enough and I really don't see that happen Perez -- Mickey's and a let's get back to some stories. So -- news going on in the world. Yeah let's talk about this so we talk about privacy before an advertisement is relevant so you guys know how certain web settlement have taxes to make sure that you're actually really convenient computer. It's those things where you have to type in a random phrase like. Red bird or something like US is me -- sometimes I can't even read it yet thank you are human yeah yeah I'm like -- gonna. Is that a word or prohibiting that that's really kind of -- has been like it's -- unintentionally offensive. Yeah I had one month that that -- diarrhea. I call earlier I treated it that's this I was like what the heck -- captivity. The Wii is what they're when they have letters and other languages but what I -- -- -- with a tilt it. He ever gone today those who have. That's a little squiggly mark buggy and and yeah. Had no idea it's I think well I'll tell you how to type thing you push control and and then and again overworked or command and in that -- warrant and option and. We'll keep I -- sure I'm gonna have that CAPTCHA. But anyway the new brand of catches this is crazy. They actually had video advertisements and a CAPTCHA is a lie that runs on the bottom third of the video in you have to to type that in to the field. Yet to watch a video and then candidates basically to make sure that you watch their advertised. Isn't that crazy it is it just show up on your computer so they gonna do it in ads yet. Which is in an -- to click play on the video clips and has the scroll and words of the -- this is Trinidad and yes that you know like. -- is that I can talk about this. Like our competitor website -- Certain reading this -- like slowly moves across a stream right right. -- fast -- he can't keep up with. It with it with your mouse to get close button -- right -- the words is what they have been hit it close button at the top. And -- a -- got to hunt for it. Way too much work yet know I that pisses me off yeah and I gotta say it makes me not -- it looks totally I almost missed the days of the -- where there'd be pop up after you've closed them right away right now as you well thank you yeah and. A but now that that pisses me off that you would do something. -- to do something as simple as like reading an article -- doesn't like that now I would probably be fine with. Yeah entering a code if I was getting a service. But -- to -- public free Wi-Fi aha -- that would be I I wouldn't mind doing that. There's incentive yeah yeah I'm getting free Internet service if -- -- -- McDonald's is in the right -- imagine that the Internet code. And they since the -- Rita -- you know newspaper -- election. Video I'm -- the thing doesn't come at the beginning of the the media to watch the entire thing this horrible or. I hate to say this because I -- certain web sites are -- that is. But. -- -- -- -- -- website and have a giant picture pops up the block the entire. I hate that that's the -- or distorts the actual image on the way he meant it. Yeah yeah there. It you know aren't we need to campaign. Into what if the and captioned video with relatives relevant to the CAPTCHA word -- and have to watch like ammonium if I was scanning it diarrhea yes like -- quizzing you -- and now here. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- online. Although I hate it went on Hulu when they ask you what you prefer. Yeah I don't prefer and he had just -- be editing on -- -- what can I sign into my husband and Hulu cantonment opposed to something like a content management and yeah this -- relevant and all this but yes and no like on. You don't send out product. I mean have to keep getting tampax and I thought. He. We love -- advertises support so that's how we get paid yet that's your thank you Intel. That's gonna do -- for us today. Thanks for listening to that we're so tomorrow for this week we've got Steve Guttenberg on -- audio -- actions taken his blog in his Twitter is donated to the 21 century. -- if you yet made it through audio feeling like man I'm Wilson tang I'm Natali del Conte and I'm Justin new it's the full four. I don't know it's -- high tech. You have out get -- yeah so you guys.