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Ep. 1566: It's not so hard to say goodbye to Flash...on MobileAdobe puts their support behind HTML 5 and ends further development of Flash on mobile browsers. Somewhere Steve Jobs is smiling. Warner Bros. takes down files they never even saw, which makes us feel great about the future of the Stop Piracy Online Act....
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But let's get to the stories in a story that broke yesterday and that is still a hot topic today. Adobe if you didn't hear release and announcement for the for them to be ceasing development. On the mobile browser version of flash. Refocusing their efforts on html five when it when I saw this headline I was like -- and might -- bad that's crazy armed. But they have decided to move forward and relieve. But they're old and do -- behind -- him up by this is the statement. But they release this was scooped up by Xena had this is an exclusive from our sister site -- -- -- Adobe said our future work with flash on mobile devices will be focused on enabling flash developers the package native apps. With Adobe air for all major app stores we will no longer adapt Flash Player for mobile devices to new browser. OS version or device configurations. Civil -- and they go running on but really here. The note is they're gonna focus on a flat Adobe air based apps. But no support for flash on mobile browser they're stopping. This is like that grand you have the accused is still -- on the -- and has been denying it -- -- dying and it was dying to be -- be denial for years and years and it's like. You know what chair OK -- and and then. -- five we're gonna go that's the future for Adobe but man this is the repercussions of this I haven't actually seen want to talk about is how much. A lot of the Smartphones and tablets that are competing against. -- -- The iPhone or iPad are hanging their hat on flash compatibility that's in the huge thing -- -- you want Adobe Flash she got a deal this. You gotta have an Android tablet. And -- slate. -- -- meg and Adobe I think -- great tablets that run their stuff anymore you know that's an. Excellent -- because like you said it's always been even people that are let's say. I have I Apple products verses not -- Android products and -- -- -- the right you don't get the whole real web experience and from first hands plane on a lot of Android devices. I'd be the first tell -- I -- the only device that I felt even. Displayed flash properly and it felt smooth enough. Was the Blackberry Playbook. Yeah IS and CNET and I'd say the same thing and that. And asked saw little thing this morning that's now on the -- -- careless about. -- commitment to their version of flash on the playbook and that inferred for their. They'll -- moving forward the -- how to work into doing. To doing flash on their device is better than anybody else. Yet now if you wanna talk about -- -- -- in flash fail we all know how. On how Apple is our Steve -- it was really outspoken against last but at the same time. I would and I could've put the blame here on. Apple -- fully on Apple. Killing -- I don't think Apple necessarily kill flash I think one of -- Green meetings that we sized. On devices. Flash continued to promise like were released in the next version of flash it'll be good it'll be great and the implementation and execution of it. Really fell short and Android devices and -- diddle little breakdown of how flash performed on a variety of devices and we talk about this. And what we look at something like you know phones like the Droid X the Nexus One and I had to Atrix some of these popular phones when you're talking about. Video quality in streams that they send out they looked at how many frames. While were dropped or were not you know when they tested this if let's say it's thirty frames per second for the video that we see. -- frames are dropped here -- look at some of the performance on the -- with 720. 480. You're dropping 11% 9% 34%. As much on the Atrix and we know. That's that's even before if the flash file even loads properly because it takes time alone on -- device. It's yet and the other thing too this is also that it's. It's not HTML five. Has and people are going wild about this issue -- -- development and uptake is still slow and steady. And is Everyman kind knows they have look at this is the future for that for the web. But it's not like people are going nuts for HD -- five is -- that flash has continued to suck so badly like. Adobe has no one to blame but themselves for you know all these performance issues you. The other thing too that its interest thing about this is that. Adobe isn't isn't this is -- not only putting their -- an additional five but they're talking about. Adobe air and apps as being the future for it. Mobile devices -- and for their own kind of business plan. And that. You know the fact he can't get all of all of the flash enabled web on mobile devices. May not be such a big deal now that people are seeing that what people are really doing with -- -- is -- is using apps that if you really wanna deal to make some money. As a developer to developer tool for people time. Helping people make better apps and how that cross platform compatibility is it's a better service to provide and then some. Old clunker of -- and -- of the web -- you're you're right about the decent L -- adoption I remember when we first saw IOS roll out. In a lot of a lot of stuff basic like. These sites are displayed a little bit of video they just wouldn't work but as you've seen after -- like year one. You start sees some of those sites also need to go when you press a video and you Michael actually works -- read the slow adoption and -- -- up -- -- up. One of the things that Steve Jobs depend on. Flash. Was that you know with the mobile area here he he would put out his statement about like you know this is made for low power devices touch interfaces and open web standards. And those are three things is that flash and -- house. I remember that the first tablet they came out on the heels of the iPad was the fusion garage -- tablet yes -- their -- -- was like if you it will all we really have is the browser I personally don't have the apps. And the second thing you think you're gonna get the full flash experienced. Here's -- thing is that if you want you gonna go do a flash game you need to deal with two fingers instead of one finger as we've got like different controls. This is no way in flash -- distinguish -- -- ease of fingered scroll up and now web page or control your. Virtual hockey stick or -- -- picture you're playing the game so yes it's kind of a relic from when you're you do mean. -- around the mouse I feel like flash is gonna be like the animated gifts ten years from now who baseless it teachers across on its gonna be like a throw back a. -- -- crash medio and -- be itching to see -- I've blasts still clearly has a place. On desktop computers and laptops right now but that's going to change wood and let's also gonna change is the fact that we had desktop computers and laptops and -- should now be announced here so and everything seems to be just. Midnight lead charging forward towards mobile -- wonder if about the cloud formation up in the sky ST it was like -- face of Steve Jobs smiling -- if we -- about this. It's you could see the thing about as. He was in his where he was very driven and is not always -- but -- this -- When someone says this is how it's gonna work and this is how it's gonna be and what it turns out that you know in hindsight OK whether -- can say he was right or wrong. Always the way that the -- spell and he was at least right to a certain degree of his idea of if flash was going to last or. Live on the mobile platform successfully like these. He said it's really the -- its Adobe's fault more than anything else that they weren't able to make it -- name or. Come Alice on a different tool. That was more you know it instead of -- -- the legacy that flashes. Scrapped. I don't wanna say treating -- center but scrapped -- at least come up with a tool that the display the same type of content that was optimize for mobile devices which didn't happen. Because. If if it was really that well for if it did perform properly and it was running well on low power devices I. I don't think Apple would have turned turned their back on it so quickly via I think -- -- was able to. The implemented with the right way they would have done it. Testified that the one of the bigger follow through this in the near term is just gonna be devices not being up to brag about flash compatibility as each thing at its its. Dead Man Walking absolutely so. We will see how long flash lives -- we -- to have a death watch sound for our Mina would have a for Blackberry you have it for flash. -- not looking to -- it has been slowly rendering flash animation conclusion that the a little the little little -- certainly time -- guys also in other news. This week it happened earlier in the week -- still lots we talked about Barnes & Noble unveiled their 249 dollar -- tablet -- an answer. To the Amazon Kindle fire which we've been expecting you know they also lower the price on their -- touch. Upload their simple touch reader as well to compete with Amazon. But this is this is gonna be the the war -- during the holiday season for that 200 dollar ish. Tablet that's on Apple Tablet you kind of did a comparison article about Kindle fire. And a tablet I -- we can you maybe talking about a few the specs and to scan a Samir a guy. And also -- -- back up and say in Barnes and Noble's defense. The Kindle fire is response to in the color brightness and color really fired the first shot oh -- -- -- idea. Beta way -- right right right I do think that the it was -- I think in the people's minds right now is that it is. This is milk. The Kindle fire which hasn't come out yet because suddenly some -- is happy -- -- -- Kindle fire if that's -- around but -- I think that. I -- I do think Barnes & Noble should get they do that the a year ago a little over a year ago. You know fired the first shot with the will cost. Color screen tablet U meter. That they went to admit at the time with the tablet -- than useless they -- slowly they pretty quickly changed their their. Their tactic on that what they realize how successful weren't buying them -- -- them merely as Android a proper version of Android on there. There are pretty happy to call of the tablet. I will call whenever you want to keep buying it it I think is there. -- but yet its sound is gonna be an interesting holiday season I think that there's a lot going for the net tablet especially if you're looking at it. On specs -- and that's but I have that trifecta together. Really -- spec comparison without getting into the more of philosophical and featured are like tests offer features of the of the different devices on he had the had. The -- tablet. Its commitment to 49 it is the same prices via the natural color color and -- -- -- -- to 199 red -- kind of surprising that they didn't lower income out. You know right against that 199 price point. Especially as -- someone to -- would see as the underdog as -- competitor. I -- all version of the Nook Color is down to women and those who want it that have. But you're getting as sixteen gigs of ram vs eight gigs. Or SI sixteen gigs of storage vs the eight -- that are on the dead to Kindle fire which is -- for a lot of people of the one of the sticking points of the Kindle fire how much it's reliant on the cloud keep -- content. An -- that. In a -- to keep everything -- -- -- local media consumption mean -- we do like Danny Diggs on a tablet tennis seems a little or that he didn't even Apple feels like the lowest. Lowest its configuration they're gonna do on their iPad succeed. Sixteen seems to be more comfortable zone for people leased for tablets that people feel -- like laptop isn't -- like a Smartphone. -- yet -- micro SD memory expansion again speaking to that storage issue. On the other hand. On some kind needs that because they don't have the same kind of robust cloud storage in and processing architecture that Amazon. Now only has -- it's like. Kind of be for the number one provider of in terms of web services. All that stuff so there's a lot of there's a lot of meat to it. Right now I'm leaning one way unlike what would I buy personally who might win the war yeah I feel -- -- -- that the Kindle fire still has a lot more. -- lot more interesting -- like an unknown thing like this. And a tablet. They didn't it's like the iPhone 3GS. The killing of feeding change. Like much about the hardware and actually having handled hello hello all when in the new one. Usually mean except for new new color there's no. I've difference between the hardware is a little bit later on that -- the screen is a little bit different there's no little -- -- gap between the little button segment and that says the rest of classic courses anyway it's. -- details but that I I think that the Kindle fire disposal interest and it's got the better. -- it's d.s to these two products are really more of the general consumer that. The -- -- nine is gonna be -- also the Amazon has has a brand name that people feel comfortable with them. Also Amazon has a ton of services -- The nook still at the end of the day from whatever third party apps that the install on the -- and that's about it. That's that's it like they they can they can do it every day can make a lot of efforts to bring other people on board to help you provide content. Bag -- if the Kindle fire you've got one -- registration like the iPad. To have your credit card -- the power of any music purchases you want to make any video purchases is -- wanna do. Books magazines. Apps may have -- you know a really pretty -- one of the better third party app stores out there. And so they there's a lot more fun to be had on -- I would think in theory when the when -- we -- the review unit. Two what's the review gonna come up -- of approximately for the Kindle fire. As a going to be don't know around I can neither confirm nor deny an -- -- -- -- give -- a -- June hathead Baghdad. -- a lot of our coverage on port in the next few weeks is that we need more of more analysis of this. This battle stay -- -- someone has in the charitable Alec I have this attend ascent and I guess I -- -- -- -- also on just the kind of -- -- I can ask you don't have to answer. What all other things going around of the note and the Kindle Barnes and Noble's wants the Department of Justice to probe into Microsoft's patent tactics. We talked a lot about this -- gonna show how Microsoft is targeted companies. To pretty much. Extracts or extort royalties for a many Android devices. That are violating in -- you know their patents for interfaces and uses you know simple things like the menu bars. -- but it. It is -- legitimate Barnes and Barnes & Noble though is asking the department justice to investigate their tactics com and tried to thwart. Saying that they're trying to thwart their competition with flimsy. Infringement claims they've already been successful with HTC. Some of these smaller tablet makers. But no it doesn't want to do something like pay a fifteen dollar royalty that Microsoft. -- had asked Samsung to pay for their devices fifteen dollars on a product like this that's a lot of money was also I I feel bad for these. Companies that do so much worked to use. Completely. Redo and grade in now look at the whole the whole stack of code and and tweak it and did -- make it their own. And then they're still having to deal about Android legacy. Of whatever Microsoft's claim is to be makes money off of that. But yeah it's also there and economists I mean in the in the big scheme of things Barnes & Noble still small enough manufacture. Than just play it. Play it risky -- don't you think it's funny how -- they can. Let's see only CBI's coming Guinness also on the in case you were one name with -- Kindle fire vs -- situation. Its Kindle really scared about this what are they doing. Doesn't seem to -- really stopping Amazon it at all because -- times reports. That in addition to Amazon already bumping up their units. Other orders for Kindle fires at from the manufacturing side from 3.5 to four million -- now also increased it. An additional one million units. Peaceful people want their cheap tablet people like the fire I after I saw the note at the new -- tablet. I had a Kindle fire computers -- you know sometime -- just pre -- than just an activist -- -- I'm not get any when you already have a tablet you like I'm not gonna buy something else I just -- my pre orders. And I -- want -- -- money -- We'll put you sit here with your iPad. Out -- a bullet Merrill is everything you know I am gonna grab my MacBook Air India Iran and now have lately had an ethernet adapter for eight. Hate to injury compensation and narrative. And Minnesota with ethnic and -- -- just pre order everything possess how to roll. -- -- -- -- -- Just out of the on this little cottage you might be able to. Alright guys already in the -- it is nice its its air wing. Are you guys are gonna take a -- we come back Warner Bros. taking -- files they never even saw also rim. Trying to switch things up with their Blackberry phones they're -- -- OS and also Syria we find out the voice. The myth the legend and behind -- demand series the man series. Syrian man -- men. Both -- -- from their off week. I don't -- aegis ballistic. I'll end was a problem yet will -- Blackberry. Is don't let. Was may run had -- I -- doubt it's completely -- -- OEMC that lets -- -- This trial on orange. Got a few blacks books usually alone do he had so it and -- I didn't get -- that's -- working well could be an appetite you the issue. Let you still have -- wheat which on my dad still. We could try use -- a mouse to drag directly to the trash. They're not yet done that you marble and launch the black leaf in the -- still. Child molest him this is -- from Brooklyn. When munitions -- assumed buzz out loud is cnet's podcasts -- -- pushed him to share. And it's that extension. -- and -- proximity of our -- to -- him. The very real. Yiddish intro from rabbi Mordechai in Brooklyn really. -- I'm -- -- guy. If you there's a if someone -- translation of all that then I I would love at all but I did get -- -- permanently in there I did hear that -- A -- guys -- we told you we would have been. Live inside look in our CNET dot from the experience so Molly Wood is join us he could have a buzz out loud without her says he's on the floor again we're telling you guys wanna go out -- meet our editors 6:30 PM. -- -- -- -- -- -- But I would be honored to work in pop up -- -- an open house gallery than it currently and you can. If we have transformed it into the -- And it's all over are we even. Traffic here and I know it's -- break your heart because it's filled with sweet smell meat -- which is glad to everything. And eaten I want those -- up but so let's just take it to girls -- you know what's going on here. -- -- -- -- -- You're here. I don't think. -- calories being we tricked it out with -- succeed he didn't like the upper right area. All mobile -- All of our camera picks these kind of like the CNET holiday gift and it comes and it's -- hard top picks and look. Obviously mobile -- card in red. The Nissan leaf. And I understand that we how to get like a special card to come here from Jersey or something that can happen because we are needed to -- got them. I that we all. There on our all of that looked as though I love the whole content of the pop up space just like don't. A white board and we fill it up with all of our local. And gadgets. Right now we're gonna make Charlie worked a little bit for many echoed down the Ayers and to -- the rest of the year it. Everyone -- just come in and play with whatever gadgets they want. Check things out we have a bunch of buzz out loud fan and you're actually gonna talk them permanent because there are some names you will definitely got into a normal very exciting. This is the rest of the space. I mean it looked -- look. We have laptops along the -- -- about 3-D TVs to check out these are like sponsor walls from. LTE and Energizer and -- -- -- comparison and then in the -- back here. We have setup our whole home entertainment living room apartment thank you thank you I'm happy -- -- crowded but people. This is our senior living room and -- -- -- BT. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- TV and now this -- while. -- -- -- Given away. Doctor -- back there aren't. That's -- of course. You can't talk admitted. Back here. I -- well. That's. It. Brand new editor in ski skis taking the reins just in time of the -- Normally our editors help desk which is kind of you know the doctors and -- -- -- editors question. Of -- -- -- and low -- -- technology. It is backed up. You know that's these are some of the complications when you go underground into a fortress. -- have a hard time believing that whole thing even exists. Analysts pretty much I'm Molly takes -- -- the TV off the walls and brings them back here you notice how excited they were when sit -- had a brand overall and they didn't TV mention minds blindness they -- what she said Donna -- -- -- Times need to hype man get people like that that's columns and I would have been they would have been jumping off the walls but that -- -- to -- guys wanna take out the CNET dot them. Store and also meet up with -- 6:30 PM. That's one lead will be doing it and it just to take it out play at the gadgets. A coincidentally obviously no Apple products -- there. Will ultimately they don't like to sponsor -- you know things that aren't. We we'd -- included white wall painting a jump I'll -- all the people who give us criticism from mentioning Apple products too much feel like they -- you know. Think that's -- -- doing better than that you have edit check out all the tech elegance and we'll have seminars conversations with somewhere personalities a really cool stuff and I believe there's. I don't know the food truck is free. Like if they give you -- -- will now it is easy -- I hope Brian Tong said that this you know but -- -- delicious if you wanna pay it's free and guys over there and there's a food truck there. Tellem Brian -- -- told it was -- And then don't email us we may put the handcuffs I knew and they feel a spray. It's very OK guys -- back this -- but I think smaller -- -- -- out. And deaths will will be sure it's going on all the way through Sunday so there's a lot of activity going out in the so areas to check that out but -- back to our stories. We talked about the stop privacy act where. Hollywood series are backing it which would give copyright holders. New powers to pretty much cut off web sites and their access to payment processors an advertising networks if they had infringing material and there's obviously a a big problem -- that because we have a lot of studios. Who could then asked for takedown notices with. For any of the content and it would pretty much shut down that site's operations but Howell. You know what will Howell how viable are there arguments -- this is why we're worried about this Warner Bros. recently. Admitted that they issued take downs for files they never saw or didn't own a copyright two. This is involved in hot files legal battle with Hollywood C is that is accusing the site of facilitating copyright infringement. They included a tool that allows studios to have takedown requests. Warner Bros. did use that tool. Except the content. So someone who abuse the crap out of that door Biden is taking down everything else -- -- Thanks for the goodwill of this tool -- the -- to take down anything that might be ours we're gonna take everything down. While we're here some of the links that they provided that were that was content. Wasn't even Warner Bros. content right there where there is an application that was part of it on they sought the removal of an audio book. Called cancer of the box a BBC production at the box as a bridge -- -- battle is not even under their studios and names. This is a problem they were just doing the BBC if you're like a while we're here we're gonna take down your stuff to let some of other outlets -- brown take down their content. Yeah its a its its -- it is the it's abusing the the kind of the goodwill of that. Of that practice of the takedown until the salute the does stop -- it would stop -- privacy act of the protect IP act. We're at the mercy of the studios and -- they clearly have -- like we have continued to say on the show. But they can't be trusted again. I mean that said I do spend my afternoons issuing takedown notices on Justin Bieber videos. Not because there and infringing on mines you know copyright claims that I just find them offensive flag. -- -- flag at anomaly a on behalf jail is on behalf of the people opt for the sake of humanity -- I'm not I'm not going to be an -- of that. So I guess taking kind of identify with what they unleash an intelligent interest to someone just naturally enough of -- I'm not -- -- I get back at my desk right now. -- the -- and some videos that I cannot. Away it also -- say -- that's is -- -- -- that's happening. -- in morning is rim continuing to try and stay relevant says -- BBX phones is that new operating system that we pretty much railed on that will now include support. For email can contacts. And calendars rims new BBX phones. They'll support the US but also that looks like they'll be doing completely different form factors. Such as a sixteen by nine ratio phone on this is typically the cells also kind of weird to me because. I'm just not sure. How much a sixteen by nine screen -- -- phone if it also includes a keyboard -- I think that's a little awkward. -- they gotta try something. RA if you have a better idea you should email them right otherwise 699 -- a feature -- by the way is the X for extreme I don't know what the -- for. I hope it's for -- it is -- extreme. RI it also guys I in more stories -- it's going on a just a follow up really quickly on this BB -- -- -- One of the rumors of their new phones is gonna be called the Blackberry colts colts Alexio LC. The -- coal. COLT sand and think -- 45 that's exactly that's really -- -- -- -- it is. I did like I hide its -- Alaska and Canada that -- -- half of all the mouse over the past he had gotten -- as. We're pitching at my last I don't know -- does well one of the other features of their screen -- only sixteen by nine on it'll support multiple dimension graphics. Pretty much translation is 3-D. Let's let's let's just call that 3-D so anyways. -- of and I just don't. I'm -- nothing excites me about them anymore because they screw everything -- might not get a -- or not they were dying a year ago like the fact that they're still around it's actually. I think a testament -- the company only you know they still have that enterprise market locked down but even that's just with. Now people shifting over to. IOS -- and Android devices for business that's what's killing them like and -- in their immediate future but -- still around our people are feeling terribly -- -- Now they're talking about how am I am undergoing puberty right now -- -- It is my voice is -- on the show eyes all on the same alas plant on the Blackberry -- is that they get Billy. But that's how they can get back. Mr. Java is like that shoot out -- violent yeah at and then I'll leave it up to you guys do the. Handle the marketing at least they can be a cool marketing marketed company annual market and went alright guys armed. In other news we told you we was a winner this this'll it is a real winner -- reveal. Avoid speed and answer not really that the female voice but -- former technology journalist John Briggs revealed himself. As the voice of Siri in the UK. Despite. A warning from Apple to keep -- silence. So. That's when they want him to be silent but I -- -- -- talk about it but Briggs actually recorded. On the he did -- a voice over actor in the recordings for ScanSoft. Text to speech services sometime back in 2005. Which eventually -- voice recognition technology once they merged with -- wants. That Syria uses to carry on conversations so he said 5000 -- it is over three weeks. Spoke at a very particular way and all -- reading flat and even. What's been fun. Mandy may yet to do all that and you can't tell any mind that you're doing it. -- it is that's. I don't know but given that much work into a project I I am behind but he's doing here -- about revealing himself as I think he wants is there for -- Yeah it's a different and while also and I mean not to be insensitive to you don't -- -- -- the junction of two house that you know it's like I MB I would be living -- Steve Jobs. If it is coming down from him to not talk about it. You know but that they're still -- -- indecent -- -- come from this -- citizens can -- another half. I now understand -- -- I'd be like fire broke from underground it depends on what side of the -- your own thing. Anyways I Syria have the voice came forward he wanted to let everybody know but also. On everyone's been -- now will like it Surrey B is an older Apple aren't multiple developers have ported Syria as far back as the iPhone 3GS. -- -- -- on the -- but you know definitely taxing the system it has been able to run on the four successfully on nine to five Mac. Exe has. Some of the videos of it functioning quite well but then Apple in response of that. You know you have people are like oh well I saw this working on those -- the phones are you gonna bring it. Bring Syrian older devices devices. Apple flat out said new and now I'm innocent and we know historically this is not -- Yes and I don't see with the payoff would be ending at -- except for making customers happy -- you know -- Because customers make you happy with their next version of the phone yeah I mean if the only thing that I -- of one of the few things you can really do to promote. People to out to incentivized fueled by a new phone is a series feature. Why would you just give it exactly and -- him. It's and it it it TUZ working 24/7 or the other thing too it's like. Just because it works and and even says in this piece it doesn't necessarily mean it works very well in fact it sounds like it it kind tugs -- So that Apple is not one just the puts and the nominees because it kinda works in -- -- Passing out just -- -- about to the experience they -- people expect from Apple product. -- we also know that voice technology is becoming a big thing that's getting scooped up on Amazon. Is now jumping to this fall after they quietly purchased a company startup company called -- they're Charlotte, North Carolina based voice -- tech start up. On it was pretty much a very lowdown the reason why it really kind of stuck out is that there is a filing an SEC find that showed that yap. Had merged with an acquisition company that happen to be headquartered at 410 Terry avenue Seattle which happens to be. An Amazon building boom oh look at lucky shares that is like some Amazon employee about it I think it's Amazon dot -- actual building but -- With them getting any consumer product so much -- in -- to see. In a year so we see Amazon taking on buoys we know Google as Apple does it's -- -- one of those differentiating factors to have something like that. This to me feels like -- more credence to the theater that Amazon might be cooking up their own cable phone and I Kindle -- has -- their own Amazon phone. I can see. That I mean they could do it had to make it you know make it Mandy -- -- making nine dollars with special offers. We'll let you know we didn't put the article in here but Amazon really does have. A way. Apple -- in a way but generally. Use it to levels that Amazon really more than anything is using the advertising on their products that isn't that intrusive really -- it doesn't mess with the -- experienced. And also -- ecosystem of products. -- seemed content from them. That allows them to undercut the actual manufacturing costs of these products in the -- there's a a report about Amazon Kindle. The new Kindle cost -- -- something like it was at 84 or 89 dollars reason they're selling for 79. They can do that because of all it's all the subsidies that they -- -- If you -- -- very seriously content. New content -- okay. Let's check out other news that is also happening. -- this week why thank you very management's Katie okay on the senate. -- to give you guys -- head up the senate is planning to vote Thursday. -- -- -- net neutrality misses on a debate that -- along if the -- it will decide to vote whether to repeal Federal Communications Commission rule. -- fixed line broadband providers from blocking web sites or unreasonably discriminating against them. On them choosing preference over what sites might get access to their pipes. -- -- -- No net neutrality. So they're they're deciding that debate on that I it's it's been ongoing of some of the rules that are part of this offering of them. What will -- -- net neutrality but that issue is going to be voted in on Thursday so we thought that was something that you might wanna know should know that. Also arms in the whole AT&T and sprint battle sprint has been ordered to hand over documents to AT&T this is because sprint has claimed. On many times that -- AT&T team AT&T and T-Mobile. And they fought against it. So now. A ruling has so that sprint would have to hand over additional kernel dot critical documents which they were withholding to AT&T to show how much -- really. Is and will affect their business. So this is also eighteen PD trying to -- sprint and why can't I access and a win for them because they get to see how much they can take -- -- -- of -- and you know it's I guess you -- Scalia a little win for AT&T to be able to. Look -- wasn't behind the cut. Inside the component that an accurate list. I don't wanna get a little Su I would sort of concrete can -- at -- holy Basil go all the lighting is -- -- peeking inside the kimono I think at the expression on for breakfast. Sometimes I'm not I'm not go -- and tested this lets -- I didn't say -- it is finishing the Jewish knows it's peeking inside the kimono. -- -- -- -- our Valentine -- don't use it because I. Clearly is a particularly -- league in accurately depicted in ala -- the chatter on the side allies. As -- the command line and let's move on to the this. We actually we talked about on media critic podcaster at this week as something that in mind not only in my Neil Amish -- -- -- -- -- -- cheap bastard hard. It makes me warm and Fuzzy this is -- -- wireless is nineteen dollar a month. Unlimited everything no contract. All in. Smartphone -- -- this US based yes. In fact I think is only in the so tell me about this is of as the concept here is that is it's really leveraging Y five from. What eight years -- that and the thing we want people who. Around my friend that -- we want everybody this isn't like the added that lowest common denominator plan for everyone from people who just want to -- -- to go around in. Text -- brains out this is that people who are ignored seeing around my iPad most of their day and they don't want to pay for. You know. Tens of gigs of data that they're not gonna really use if they just wanna have a cellular connection when they need it. But then DOT's -- for the -- from most of their stuff and they can do this -- -- found that that's the one caveat here is that you you only get one phone. Option -- -- -- LE LZ optimistic LG up an optimist running Android two point -- but this is just an interest in model and we'll talk about in our next story just. How different carriers are really trying to be innovative or bring something -- -- the table and they know it's not gonna be for everyone yet but it is a different solution when you look at that. Nineteen dollars a month I was. Almost seriously SE doctor Bonnie -- I was asked how much I do this to my job honestly this is me permission is you know -- I just I usually have to pay so much over to lake. You know. That the text is the text is the -- they do on a regular basis if you look back got a 99% of them are like me text in my life I'm on the way home he you know I just them not that -- guy and I mostly around live by most of my time. The idea of paying eighty dollars or more -- -- to it just to have a Smartphone is ridiculous. Yeah this is their hybrid college system now we know that. T-Mobile implemented in some of their phones Wi-Fi calling but. They were never able -- get something this low but unlimited text data and voice again at nineteen dollars a month. And so I didn't get the real kind of magic of this and why is only one phone that they're using has yet to do some kind of -- Voodoo -- that the actual programming staff to make -- -- that you can have this seamless switching between Wi-Fi. And the cellular connection so -- after walking out of the building are away from Wi-Fi connection. -- -- -- -- So this so -- vice -- be sold for -- nine with no contract as a well gas on the if it wasn't for the women to -- in night we'll desolate. If he read a little more an article if you use the welcome. Welcome nineteen promo code and you'll be able to get the phone for 99 dollars through November 27 now -- -- -- additional does that mean to actually be thought I think it's cool that they're breaking the monopoly of you know of the though the whole. Like cellphone industry and isolated it's definitely is definitely for some people out there it's not just like a gimmick I think there's certainly people that this could. Make sense for -- puzzles they know about it. Like screened -- -- want one G and -- twenty dollars a month. If it works also in really cool a different ideas for. Telecoms trying to come -- to US China Telecom is -- is -- their own wireless service to US customers. Under its own brand so they're target is to seek to sign up Chinese American student -- -- Americans students -- you travel back and -- Canadian businessman. But this -- be a service offered by China Telecom it would offer you. Two -- one that would work in the US and one that would work in China. This is again geared towards a targeted specific customer but it's coming to 2012 and this is a way for China Telecom. To -- the US market -- gain some traction. But there's. There's definitely a group for this is well. I I just I was like wild two lines for two different countries. China. Large populations are second seconds is I think is India the largest population easily -- -- second to India like. That works so very -- Steen. I Adobe coming in 2012. And that it'll be inching though you know seem like I don't know if we'll see like China Telecom -- pop. Stick what are you doing here. Our facility now it's really got a phone alerts about places -- -- -- -- -- Also in other news on Google+ pages for business although in early October. There's a port that the traffic dipped 60%. On Google+ pages for businesses. And brands. Are now here. Allowing people. Connect and design and one of the reasons to add to CNET Google+ if you still use Google+ these be sure to -- the -- I mean there's a lot of our listeners -- use Google+ yet I I just couldn't keep up with this update I don't like updating three things at once. And I -- -- -- I can update all three things it wants he would have been unveiled a nice idea to attending gets a little crazy and peace on some government chat room to my tweets -- -- -- -- -- -- and if they want to. And as gonna followed up with a ammonium ion and -- a program now in that it has this that he could be due the end the -- it's -- yeah it's -- -- I'm a lazy bastard. So get volunteer yet but I do feel like -- asked for Google this is like I don't know why they didn't do this out of the -- exactly how. Wait what was the but why is it that if they felt -- -- that they had to get it out. -- -- -- -- so rationally what -- advantage they get. And doing Google+ without this feature months ago. For that the -- -- -- now ambulances on Kangas and he kind of have to do is a business he can't -- Google -- thread there's so much enthusiasm for doing that early on and it can look up punished. Are they got their accounts taken off a guide -- Registered a business or. You know some other non -- entity kicking it Catholic and included a nickname need to write you know -- it so it it feels. It feels not bad but it feels that relate to the part of bad for them. Yeah it it's. Until one advantage is that if you put up a brand or company page it will show up in Google's search results. That might be an advantage you whether or not people are really going to that page did you show up in the Google rankings a little higher. Or just having another hit that represents your brand. But a lot of people write -- check out Google+ select okay. And not enough for their friends jumped on the right camera -- -- much and did they really -- the data when paired with hot. It. -- That's so -- in her right arm. Not so hot. The new -- a study from. Cornell University about how old -- really losing. -- -- those close relationships or maybe those people that we confide in according to their study. Although you know you have plenty of plenty of friends the people that -- your real confidence you're go to news. Has now dropped. From three in 1985. To two. So we've lost that with the evolution of although you say -- technology. Facebook's social networking has brought more people in touch and together which is absolutely true -- close friends. You're you don't have as many close friends is used and. -- see this as a as a bad thing. -- -- -- It probably if if -- -- friend and -- like receiving a lot of lake who if you have a -- everyone out there has a high maintenance and drain. -- they're -- they're not my friends and I'm not exactly there -- the one friend that you -- since the eighties and they were like console -- called Biden I'm just saying you know there's that the social networking has allowed people who would otherwise be talking year option pouring their. There's sold their troubles in -- -- outpaced the spill that poisoned into the world without it taking up your time. So awesome. I -- wine or two awesome friends that third one who would usually -- -- off he now lets FaceBook. Apply unless you -- confided FaceBook daily -- related personal things on there are problems are going through which it's very weird and put in basement has become that -- friend yes yet. Friends -- time and I'd rather have you know too too high quality friends. You're gonna notice that taken it too much and other friends picking up all my FaceBook time. So you guys -- significant other act as one of friends. -- talent ability a unique widget users -- -- best how many pose like. A wildly right now and you don't stop there has been how many people do you like really -- and how I probably -- and Wilmington. But Nazi fingers that may -- may be more than two honest people -- don't use FaceBook as much and actually have stronger personal opinion Vista. Yeah I mean I'm I'm antisocial and general -- -- My -- I've been around to get together forever so -- -- you know that she'd probably gets most of my -- as it should be ranked. -- series Steven oil anything like. Well I I I don't. Right people happy birthday -- but ever. Right I'll send him like a personal message you know personally emailers text message or something so mean like a message the -- since it seems yet they have -- well yeah I'll send a personal message through FaceBook and I won't put on the wall so feels like here. More connected to them in -- way you know I mean and I like. I like to do the phone call for the -- and -- -- -- -- on and it sucks because you know people don't. People even they'll pick -- their phones as much rate Digi do you agree with that via people who would rather use and stay -- and children rather. So you send a text message telling no I wanna call you. And tell you because you're my friend I'm -- -- shows as a gesture that you guys care AC you can -- you can set them. I don't need a phone call with distinction and success. Can I dislike the little -- -- News and that's -- -- it's it's this it's got a sad how that the oldest human connection experiences. It's still valuable to me but it's definitely not as valuable to other people and in general that the the value it in overall it's it's decreased yet that you thing. -- yeah I don't care. Man I I started early with Canada X I'm has been ahead of -- of how credit at a X I -- and better. You know this is that we decided to end this at least this you know this by the -- just like some -- about people really not carried and it career builder dot com. Has an annual list of some of their most than usual excuses for calling in sick and this is according to US employers so. I love the -- does not because they're really the -- might be actually good excuses. For us to use in the future so they they put out their most -- usual excuses. For missing work. Employees offered the following real life examples on. We'll just rotate between these visitors while -- was gonna -- one EDT nutrient and I should probably opening and a kid adults only when you open in -- guys -- media. -- -- -- -- -- I now keep on OK the -- number one employee said a chick in attacked his mom. And that it's equivalent number till. Number two in -- employee set his finger got stuck in a bowling ball that can work. I I'll go with number three. -- -- had a bad hair transplant that went wrong. Had acted like to be an issue I don't wanna show how down -- -- I would feel good that she told me that because I don't wanna see if the plan. I've been -- to work with this I mean that that -- to qualify if you know this -- all right -- minorities. That 98. Employee fell asleep at his desk while working and hit his head causing a neck injury. What you call HR for the they have got -- -- injured were -- on this world number five. You've -- -- casino hotel employee said -- -- broken her house and she had to wait for the insurance. Yet again they do it yet you -- -- that it tees up in the studio and maybe -- more -- only. I'll Wear this also like you know your redneck land -- and the employees often through eight sit and spin through his living room window while it -- shareware that -- -- -- what's a serious spin I think that's a kid's -- yet to kids okay. Number seven and employees split was caught in the garbage disposal. Once the -- Yet its OS XP can really only use one time and you've got to commit to that fully -- number eight. Number eight employee called in sick from a bar at 5 PM the night before. That's that's -- that's planning ahead that's that's -- player and ultimately app that I am -- that he wasn't feeling too clever that day. That's ago. Well if your job demands he fuel your clever like mine and am barely pull this -- right now -- -- and. I never even been able to pull that off number settled ploy had to -- the line. To avoid a lawsuit from local homeowners association. So -- -- is if the model again gotten it wrong here. Employee called in the day after Thanksgiving because she burned her mouth on pumpkin -- And -- -- that's that's the worst. And the last when he we got an employee who is in a boat on Lake -- that ran out of gas and the Coast Guard told him to clean the sole Canadian -- That's -- got pulled over the border. Because that you -- You know. Very interest name and all right that's that's the locals they had a career builders annual list of most news excuses for calling six. -- right next -- we've got a little bit of the science news. Eric this is -- so. There was this giant. Giant. It was a size and aircraft carrier giant asteroid came very close to earth on Tuesday. It was 202000. Miles away from earth. The name of the asteroid is 2005. YU 55 U fifty -- -- the last time this happened was and 76 and scientists -- -- won't happen until 2025. While it happen our 2028. But it happened on Tuesday and and we actually have some videos it. -- But -- -- basically a giant mass of rock. Armageddon style came very close to earth yes scientist at NASA's deep space network in California desert -- tracked of the quarter mile wide asteroid. Since last week as it approached from the direction of the sun. A -- 9000. Miles per hour. Was closer to them closer than them them to earth so pass like between the moon earth actually here it is spinning spin -- I could've made that that -- -- -- animation whenever they like what they did was he took a bunch of photographs from a bunch of different. Telescopes and put together to treat it looks like an ABI has been -- -- -- -- rotisserie. Meatball but I'm now like if we got me all clear yeah it's a little Italy and and -- a black background on it. But it could take that. You're gonna take you amounts from -- but it can do that -- and they like constructive April white dots on the background that's amazing -- obviously -- -- Wright -- is no that's that's really -- -- so. On we're safe -- -- yet it's always say no such thing you're talking about Obama wanted to jump on enough. Yeah they get -- it as a steppingstone to Mars and below lot of cool stuff he could do if you could find a little -- different things yet as to guilt till launch. And had you know a man clay or some kind of flight to -- -- Actually meet up with the asteroid and then land on it. While it's going like Wallace emotion. That's how he would want to -- dead dynamite to blow it up right when we need Beale know how to do that course add the second thing is they can just hitch a ride on that. For as long it'll take you -- Just put a robot on the front and I think with a really cool camera. Yeah well until and you and I saw Armageddon it's not that easy to land on -- for an asteroid for Apple how about asking about the if Obama and -- -- figure that out in during his administration mean. If Steve the -- got through that. I think we can look and took out Osama and we found out. How to land on after -- -- -- -- Armageddon I don't care what anyone says I think it was a real. -- -- -- -- that lets enough muscle to you guys have to say. In our voice mail feedback loop. This is an inch -- story on that I'd not heard about but we had a call caller call in about the Turbo button. On Verizon phones -- if you guys of that read up about this. Our earth through. -- part of -- people who won't. Won't fictional. You won't. -- -- I can't -- opt -- and read. About -- for each country will not learn from EC Turbo button. And -- patent an extra -- and now. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- He is gonna say something really nice about me okay -- -- it really it's just inconsequential -- Halloween ghost is that you don't know about. That's pretty amazing I -- in its earlier this cream is okay. I'll do it after the show and I have got -- -- and I -- -- believe he was gonna -- some horribly. -- embarrassing secret about sees it sees as dense and watch this turn that down alright guys so check this out. On the Verizon is planning an offer on this is according to reports developers want to optimize their apps for rises network. We'll have an option it's pretty much Turbo charge EPI that -- to implement in their apps. To get priority access to faster -- more reliable data. Within the -- -- prioritizing them it would come by the way of some sort of Turbo button. This is -- -- in the reports it would also be tied into another EPI that Verizon is developing. For micro payments. So -- hit this Turbo charged by -- you'd pay a little money. And then you'd get prioritize and I don't know what app would be so crucial. -- you know would they allow it for likened Netflix streaming app. It depends and how long would this Turbo charge lasts and how we you don't feel like -- purposely like throttling this connections and it you feel like you need to -- the exactly like -- -- what's really happening behind the scenes but. You know. He's like what ever happened -- net neutrality will they're still technically. No new net neutrality laws in place. I'm just -- that this story isn't about a hardware button on the phone -- -- Turbo because I first until it is really cool. At first I -- it's -- -- some awesome -- injected into. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Make it like -- -- the button that you shouldn't press only media it's like a big red button that has a plastic cover over the -- -- though the exact with a little coveted spelling black and yellow -- -- credit. Death -- that and then you know pay whatever you want. Yet the -- the news came out of a Verizon's innovation center in San Francisco where the tech was demo -- This is -- in testing to see how this all shakes out I mean -- -- as it hasn't come to the market yet we haven't seen implemented in apps. I don't like the idea of them like you said potentially throttling certain things just so you pay for its -- -- -- and this also goes back all the way back down to the republic wireless story. And that can not believe that buried in that was that no matter what you in the best Wi-Fi connection to a high speed network is gonna be better. Then that's Ford's New. Yorkers -- -- slate. Just can't get how Wi-Fi hot key and you're gonna be other have a faster connection troop that I and gets a big help to cut in line system. Other I just part of the -- I haven't seen any mobile data be sol. -- for an Apple I need. A faster connection obviously you're not -- -- fan. -- I need to see that video with -- news comes out but you're also the same data was taking them down. You only wanted it to yourself just aren't an -- I just I hate when I happiness on -- -- missile tests. Our right and thanks for coming on the show this week. -- remember that -- to the roster. Found an answer. But I'll do summits about this. -- and -- and okay here we go on also we asked about Syrian talked about in -- shall we talked about this week's show a marked our good friend and caller tells the -- uses. -- forty says it's -- And at mark -- your parent. But a lot because I forget that -- Partially islet like -- -- reminder -- out of that calendar that term but not. Under that. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- On our public interest so far I don't much like people are right. IPad -- they're cheap right I -- funny. That. -- -- -- -- Some -- -- -- Surrey where ex of the incident also shows us how ulcer can work for him. Molly Brian that you were cleaner I -- you -- knowing or other -- -- little Easter again for a cheery. So I'm a mock up before it should agree. On charter -- unit in east -- and Vietnam. Interestingly enough to recognize debt he wasn't. Yet sure it is though that it was me in -- What you get -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I should act on our current. -- again. What should it -- what could. -- -- -- -- -- Should get well crude. A day are -- This so we get the idea and it works amazing. Still no sign up now. -- that 60000 restaurants ultimately you think your mom offered and a well we do we generally mentioning because -- -- -- for this is that Syria was down for about like a an -- it was like freaking out and it's also another thing -- like Apple promotes and when they -- announce that they percent -- series still beta but when you're pitching it as a feature. You can literally sits -- -- any more like they're making it the selling point on the phone really they're doing advertisements about it. -- -- -- I just remember I've already made -- short film in my mind thank you can bet -- but I don't weak state it is asked. Siri would Begin his mom this is the -- is putting a link his phone down and out of the way. -- things like when we get the bad state and our culture where. We were so dependent on Syrian and she's down for like a dangerously every. In stops could be don't know where we left the keys were already there Donald clearly -- is anecdotal. The evidence moms everywhere around that gay will not get like birthday presents -- Christmas presents anything. If kids to be stumped and so said -- -- it. -- is still in our area I guys at its next email and -- -- comes to us from Sandra. She chimes in with another GPS that GPS app sorry about that GPS that you guys -- I wanna check out. Trial. How many -- I -- a little. -- -- I bought her respect and integrate out -- act called urge each and -- Where -- where else on her carrier. And interactions. Are really -- acting. I'll -- our country. Are much cheaper and I -- it -- -- earth. I'm like yeah I'm Molly. Out. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Iowa -- -- just not when you are -- a lot help. -- -- -- On the backpack loads we'll get it right now -- calling to -- I got them he figured this out even if the choppy voice has to come. Our guys on three emails -- -- -- those from Brent. And my wife and I and I actually added that in my life and I've been trying to determine which tablet device analysts to be able to watch Netflix and Hulu I wanna be able to check email surf the web. That hasn't exactly an impulse buy in seems a little overkill for what we're looking for so I've been keeping an eye on the Kindle fire and the -- tablet. We both have iphones for music so we're not really too worried about the hard drive space. The major difference between the two so far in my eyes is the streaming capability Amazon hasn't unveiled what will be available for streaming besides what they offer alongside the Amazon prime membership. The -- on the other hand has already announced Netflix and Hulu compatibility. I really like Amazon as a company so I wanna like the fire specially for fifty dollars cheaper but if they can't compete against the -- in regards to Netflix and Hulu playback. Then I think I've made my decision they've made my decision for me what's your opinion on the topic. Only happen to have someone -- is -- this topic. Donald. I'll meet yes -- yeah I think that I mean when you look at. I've heard a lot of developers are coming Amazon right now in grows because of the fire in particular. And we've got a company that is selling an extra million -- -- buying up an extra million -- units. It manufactured just build -- demand. I think that there's no chance in hell that the developers that app developers in the world aren't you bringing their apps to that -- -- with all the eyeballs and. Yeah also just as is just a heads up -- couple days ago. On there was an announcement that Kindle fire will launch with some of these key apps -- you're looking for probably Netflix. Rhapsody pandora social apps like Twitter FaceBook and Linkedin. It will have these apps -- on launch date. Angry Birds I'm kinda sick -- Angry Birds. I'm sorry. -- -- a canyon test of that happening on my -- he's actually like content is booted up to see if north right now that's being Angry Birds tested done because they just can't miss flocks just game shivers as like assigning -- people dressed up for Halloween a -- -- -- -- just -- you throw eggs at them it's -- -- eggs return. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Out of that jail being painted pink. But no I mean seriously seriously eat out -- on the -- -- now. Where's it gonna go that I just add as far as apps go in general. I mean that is Amazon was there first they -- have. How much larger app selection anything close to -- in Barnes and Noble's offerings. If you're looking for -- media tablet in your first. Concern isn't -- the I think that this. -- -- -- -- -- -- One thing to most you'll that are gonna get -- first tablet -- Amazon fired this may not really mean as much them but because Amazon has their own. Android store. Though -- let's say they bought another Android based device lets just say in the future. It's an -- my -- Those apps won't necessarily. Well -- those apps are typically available on the regular Android marketplace but these -- are specific to the Amazon Android marketplace. Because they kind of control they they have their own store within their own -- kind of fragmented version of the store. Yeah I mean -- there is there's Stephanie and -- app content. Through to the Google Android marketplace you're not in a fine Amazon one I think by -- huge margin yes that. That content is is even less -- -- and he found on the Barnes & Noble a market. Got it okay to swollen -- -- Wrinkle. Not -- okay here guys Michael writes in a volatile case I just realized huge wire -- -- MP amazingly awesome. An amazingly aggravating at the same time and hoping for something like the job -- up for awhile now that was that fitness -- that we talked about last week. Another I hear from your show first that it spot exists I immediately storm might -- the website it's asleep anticipating a purchase 11 minor problem. The darn thing. Is only operable with IOS devices. WTF. I mean I get it -- has a majority of the market but I don't see how you can launch a product without any USB. Or alternative device apart immediately -- Nike plus. -- so this wasn't supposed to be rant but the questions and you guys are so. Amazing -- how to connections in the CIA and NS name -- we do is there anything you've heard about job on providing Android support on any other device. Or any other device sparse in a more ever. I can't seem to find any other products like this on the market with the exception of the bit bit which is not water resistant -- sweat resistant. Love the show best regards mr. Michael. -- Italy is that this fit in as a -- -- -- a you know secure with -- -- needs it on an idle west Oakland. Actually Michael there is this thing a particular day and it's called the Motorola moto active -- it's it's basically like a watch like them nano watch kind of thing my favorite made by Android. And Motorola and a picture of it. But it does it it it -- is for people who work out and it ended in it tracks your caloric intake it tracks your running. It tracks your heart rate and stuff like that here's a video about it and it comes and an eight gigabyte version for 24916. Gigabyte version for 299. And now I mean there you go -- it's kind of like the bracelet thing with little -- here but it's pretty cool -- keeping -- -- have to be willing to invest. -- -- as an MP3 player because up prices pretty steep to buy and I think of it only 99 dollars he had. So I -- but it is like if you're looking for alternatives and you don't like that that -- you know. It's also not small -- -- -- -- -- -- its its kind is it's kind of big for what it is against bigger than a nano. Yeah but -- demands on your -- in mountain on your forehead if you want him to mount a lot of things that OK. Why is everyone laughed like children. Hi guys -- the mafia boss rights and he also writes in -- show might be aggravating and not as amazing -- -- why do I even download your podcast anymore. I -- a whole week and all you do is crap on Google and praise. Apple if Apple is always on the cutting edge of technology I was sort of understand but. It's the same freaking crap all the time iPhone and iPad the iPhone is even Hubble -- -- box say. Anyways would you please be objective and not be such Apple cheerleaders all the time. That there. I think that under the mafia boss doesn't sit there is among the dozens stimulus the right of from a face non option as I can run really fast as -- -- you know what. Because he said that she nation poll all the Apple gadgets and CNET got some experience the value adding and I don't want them -- the involved. -- I think we can do that -- point if instead eatery winds our show. I think there's been several times -- -- we've actually kept it real with Apple okay. So let's let's a slowdown year old little. Okay and here I mean let's be honest the iPhone and iPad or -- on innovative anyways let's get serious so. It's alright guys on that's gonna do -- -- is we showed Acer and you know those subtleties -- -- -- as usual demand is good to be here are right on the show notes you guys -- taken out a -- well that cnet.com also. Continue to call us 806166. -- we got we actually had a budget calls the this week so we really appreciate that. As a weekly show you know just keep on colonists and their thoughts -- story's excellent the mind like all those guys wanna talk to them. Tot to list also you can email us at buzz at cnet.com that's gonna do is do -- for this week Molly will be back in house. I'll be here -- will be here Donald might get -- by the back wheels. Significant mass in our -- guys have a great week and we will CU next. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- You from the -- News which again -- -- but it. Could. Which -- -- more recruitment. I found -- proper approach helped -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I can't line -- Barrett Browning will -- again -- leaves -- -- my neighborhood in kind of strange there. Somehow that you're not well I don't know which just trying to. Club level forum and the actual and it -- voice. Stellar but there was little kind of damage control. That Apple -- -- -- -- for the.