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Ep. 1509: Hey, Windows Phone 7, how much does a polar bear weigh?Today on the show, we discover that Windows Phone 7 does have a life in the wild -- at least one phone does, anyway. Also, Plants vs. Zombies are taking over the world and BT, Steve, and I are headed for a Tetris showdown. RIM continues to try to defend...
Today is Wednesday. July 13 2011 my name Steven -- -- I'm ryazan. But I -- I -- -- in a buzz out loud -- podcast of indeterminate length -- episode 15109. Owl where you need to make that -- him make that change they. Wearing a sailor MS to make that -- yeah make that it does that leave them up I mean -- -- mean -- him proud -- -- Duluth news. It regain all -- up and not so welcome to cnet's podcast buzz out loud buzz town everyone join -- here in the live chat we think you'd appreciate it. For those you listen that's still haven't had a chance to jump into our -- out while the shows went on. There's no other experience and now the best way to enjoy the show everybody -- line -- -- Here at cnet.com slash live 10:30 AM Pacific everyday. And you can catalog with our good good friend in the -- it's a loving community and they will be next. It tem Bob may not let them run -- -- better than the rule that let them fat. No all caps and no cuts no -- and easier to meet -- that we that they -- we want. And -- finance plans for the obvious taking over the world. Casual games are officially. Here to say when even EA which has been known for Madden some pretty hardcore games in the past mass effect mass Dragon Age today. All all kinds of classic titles across the board. Electronic arts has reportedly acquired pop cap games for as much as one point three. Billion dollars a plan to pay them 650 million dollars in cash. 100 million dollars in EA shares for pop -- With additional payments the game maker -- so like -- said we have plants and zombies be -- is another popular game from popped -- games. And really this relationship will help get pop -- games on so many more devices and platforms. -- one flight three billion dollars in mind lately is just. In thing but -- -- -- not -- -- -- -- -- -- Alley they can't get over the fact that this is such an endorsement. Of the idea that these casual games are just bays and this is like the -- it was hype grow. And I think all these companies eventually realize that the way you grow is to appeal to everyone instead of appeal to just gamers it you know. Some these casual games -- mobile phones get criticized for being so generic and so open for all users but then when you have a large company like EA's sports. Acquire one that specializes it. Then for that larger company it looks like -- we have everything across the board yeah and again. And EA EA games is also has all our as the distribution method for -- -- think dot C and uno and scrabble on the mobile platforms. Pocket games was looking to potentially do an IPO earlier. In the -- last year. But it decided that -- maybe if we jump on the piggy back with this nice little one point three billion dollar purchase by E. A. SPORTS that might be a good way to go as well. Yeah they don't have to go alone in but all that those resources into the distribution -- from the -- S the 100 billion appears to be a valuation number and it's 750 million total for the price tag because of the cash -- on the additional stock. But there are already what's interesting is that there are already stories coming out about how this that -- stock. Wall Street reaction has been kind of muted how people are already wondering if -- paid too much but EA says look we are trying to diversify and we -- we want to create. A one billion dollar digital business than we think this is how we get there and and with what. You said which is. Expanding into those other channels like tablets and social networks TV sets as -- -- V games -- -- you may not think about yet guys but in about another year to may be a two years before it really becomes a real thing. We're gonna see more games built in eighties. Citing capita rate. Pop the -- on your big screen TV without a console does -- There's a -- there's there's -- -- and man I -- B dual. Any of games that are basically -- -- I'm the project created -- I've -- here. Really because if you wanted to put that to the test we should have a tetris challenge -- on our show -- -- we will elm that we won't do it immediately but will plan that. And I got back from vacation MR relaxing at the brain cells -- we are told detectors showdown will will do something like loser has to do -- Blank on the show and you feel like those who can't come up with blank because the last time I came up with blank you wanna negro out my armpit hair I looked at. -- Maya and you're not argue that I mean again you -- it's only like. Take out your strike and I said then grow armpit I edited it how they got to give me two dollars and you really don't bigger -- -- -- I'm not just did to display your -- -- -- want to know when you do these jokers you but I. You gotta throw down hard you can just feel like I realize that there's if you've -- -- a we will -- petite. So -- We're playing games but any PDAs that acquisition -- -- vary -- its direct and a mobile and I look forward or tetris and diet or you aren't there I will keep boat -- -- -- -- Who old -- gigabytes is the end -- And out now are now at the three way tetris kept the tetris -- clarification. It is today at Research in Motion according to its the investor that originally called for -- from. Again according to one investor a major investor in rim the company has six months to prove -- that it's poll co CEO. Structure. Works at -- And is necessary at all. Northwest and ethical investments LP last month made a proposal to split up the roles of chairman and CEO to increase board oversight and also. Get some -- leadership -- that company. Paraphrasing there and -- official statement balance their personal statement the shareholder then withdrew the proposal because rim tried to make the case that the chairman title helps co CEOs Jim both -- ball fully. And Michael has released generate business overseas. But now is saying -- Yet six months and then were re entries and problems out now shareholder revolt have big. In the co CEOs for over a year right now if -- they've done -- -- there are a year. I think it's got a curious that they're like okay -- six months to show less that is where it's led over the past two earning periods. The evidence is already there that it's not working what is six months going to do the changed you don't. Like they say as -- to change their stripes. Yeah can't learn new tricks these two dogs they're not evolves and -- this is perfect we're rolling out -- and another thing that they point out is in a related article that. Blackberry is promising seven new Blackberry Smartphones coming in the next -- well even if they have this whole rollout of all these new phones. Does that save the jobs of these two guys being co CEO there's not a lot of excitement around Blackberry just -- those seven phones are gonna come -- that's not gonna save their jobs. It and now does not -- well not if they're not good phone. Which is liquid has been the problem so -- -- -- you can bury me in blackberries but if you don't have a hero phone if at least one of them is not. A game changer and a really good buy equipment that game to enter a BGY got sent out to -- in danger now its antenna. I diet and becoming like serious marketing speak and and and -- linked up but they do have to up their game -- Then it -- I think they need to change the game is invite me every ilk I'm hearing cliche town I'll be over here into -- -- to handle. But if they don't yet they don't come up with them -- -- -- -- they can move the needle stick and now. I -- their code then it does it just is a leadership problem like until you can point that the real leadership doesn't matter how many phones drop on -- of those ponds and then. And that and that seems to have been the case -- but I wanna hear. That they're working -- seven new Blackberry that's -- I wanna hear that they're working on. One. Killer -- killer phone and they have the torch the curve the curve touch. Combined. Let's just let's a simple buy things limit but will see all these in the playbook that they were rumored to be putting out a ten point one inch version which would have made sense. They scaled that back because they wanna focus on their bread and butter which is their phones but that when you launch -- seven phones but no one. At least that from a consumer's standpoint -- point outlined in saint this is the phone that I want them know we have -- -- -- curve curve touch. It doesn't work. All they're all met ray mean its -- like that kind of works an Android market now because you can go inning of a lot different options MacMillan does sound pretty cool but the differentiator between these phones are pretty small. And then none of them are -- It's like you I would love to have seven amazing -- but. The fact is like rim seems to be in intense. Denial. About the kind of trouble that there and the fact that -- even asked for six months to evaluate their -- -- situation is like really guys. Fix it look at what happened at HP in webos. A year after that project that the reviews by critics and consumers were not happy about what's happening with webos the touch -- they made -- change yet. -- -- -- -- -- -- It's prompts but why did they did and -- -- -- and here's rim who's seen over a year of these two guys. Depleted earnings to reports in a row and they're still like. Let's do these guys and that's that's I think we. Can work we're doing we're not perfect -- -- okay. -- cut it cut -- eyes. We have railed on FaceBook for not having a good mobile solution hopefully and as Zuckerberg mention in the middle of -- math lesson I'll totally understand you missed it. He did say that with kind of launch -- and replace but that we can expect to see more things coming at a -- but. Like this new app for Java enabled mobile phones that they hope will bring -- -- few every. Com -- that project is called FaceBook for every phone that's -- but for every phone app. Aims to solve that it'll work on more than 2500. Java enabled mobile -- so these are what we consider feature phones that have some sort of simplified web browser but you'll be able to do things by. Like checking your friends uploading photos. -- email your messages one thing that makes it into -- also is that. You'll be able to check your. Add buddies based on your current contacts in these feature phones -- we know feature phones typically flip type phones or not. They don't have -- they're not the most feature rich does that make sense right. Those aren't as Smartphones and they're not as smart as a Smartphone owners super phone. So when we talk about -- moans coming up but also. They're making deals with some of these more international carriers that use these phones. To give them free data access for ninety days that people can try these out and come aboard because it's again these are feature phones people -- typically used to paying for data plans on them -- and they want people to get on board. They wanna give them a little crack in and -- observe and data plan exactly. I would hope though -- -- please just put out a personal leave that the next thing in their pipeline at the -- -- and a but it. And connect and I asked why you ask for the Android -- can I ask for the iPad app via a -- that India are taken -- -- -- -- And also an -- it up that freaking. Work or projects Spartan html five does give it to us all across the board there is striving. -- Although all the rage in the universe -- -- teams did to be directed to throw the -- -- -- at Netflix. People are looting. And -- my eye and then. Not over. All of the other issues in the world they can be losing their minds over and over the Netflix -- -- -- doctor yesterday. Representatives of what benignly in Alec together really -- -- tried streaming an -- among Americans and we are expensive -- If you want -- And actually it was after the show that I kind of did realize -- -- that's me. Like my plan that -- 99 does go to 1598. Now and like -- dammit you got me I just switched to streaming only even though you don't have any movies on there. And it was sort of like we all have -- -- vision at the same time in the Internet exploded. Netflix based -- page is just. -- -- -- Of raids I can't -- -- even know how many people decided to like Netflix yesterday just so they could be like FU I am canceling and -- they were deleting posts. And that I mean most of the post on here like I'm out I'm done with so I don't think it's worth it. -- -- -- Mad about this upset enraged neutral how are you feeling about it's how do you feel lonely -- what I feel. Most concerned about is the fact that I did basically I just got railroaded right in deciding -- streaming only plan because. I am not by any means gonna do you like a 70% price increase to keep getting the one dvd when the when dvd usually just that -- However. They're basically doing that at a time when their own streaming selection not only is not improving is actually getting worse. Because for example Sony just yanking all of those Sony movies and stars movies up instant streaming until they can work -- a better deal and everybody is now starting to make noises about. Not being on Netflix -- like trying to get more money out of Netflix for streaming so the fact is. They've sort of force this change but it's too soon right they don't have the library to support. Wholesale forcing people into -- -- Debit and they've never had -- library here's the thing on the flip side if you look at this for 1598. I'm gonna say that you're still getting the best deal. For streaming and dvd content because let's look at it this way a lot of people are mad and no matter what when you look at the price tag everyone's gonna be like oh my gosh now I'm almost -- 200 dollars a year. For the plan that I used to have that was all -- seven mini nine mini nine and nine A Nina year. But if you let's just say you just went to get. Netflix streaming plan because you work and you wanted to still rent dvds OK you can go to service like red box which is like two dollars a dvd. Or go to somewhere like. Get -- on demand movies from Hulu our site YouTube -- Amazon. If you add that up that's still only. Three -- let's say three movies from Amazon. Plus the 799. From Netflix and that's sixteen bucks right there are -- -- watch more movies than that and stream probably. So when you -- when you break down the math even though no one's happy about it. I still think it's still the best deal on the Internet for streaming and watching content when you do that when you do Netflix -- dvd -- streaming it's still the best deal. Is it the best deal if you can't and the movie -- you wanna watch no but see that's when you go to the dvd side and saying anything August dvd you still get the dvd. You don't there's. I know I'd get it why people are mad yeah completely -- it -- this plan caters to different people differently some people like myself. Streaming is -- right but I still end up renting movies from other places like. Sony's PS3 year maybe Amazon or YouTube and I don't like that -- I think that people are it's understandable format they have every right to -- -- -- -- and thank you you're actually -- that's -- really good analysis like the map as is there to support the fact that it's still a good deal nobody is obviously ever gonna be happy about. -- -- the price increase but I think the main reason people aren't happy is that a lot of people have started slowly started to embrace streaming. They really do you like it. But it's not even about price and selection or price -- about collection. And that's popular -- -- -- -- I'm happy to continue to pay for a streaming only plan and and I understand that your physical dvd costs are going up and I I even understand that licensing costs for Netflix are about like snow through the roof they're about to skyrocket like they do need to charge more. But the fact is like -- -- they have the streaming library to support it. It it feels like a bait and switch in some -- everybody was sort of oh now you have a streaming only plan that's awesome -- And your delaying dvd releases and then. Even when you're going to get the dvd is to like back up -- crappy streaming selection. Netflix signed all the Netflix is the only one -- all of those deals where they're delaying the dvd really is -- -- -- day like that yet -- -- -- -- so. Even though it's a good deal it's like a good deal for a crappy products and I don't want him I don't wanna. And then it's a good deal for crappy product -- and almost lightly used to cost components of like -- -- Yeah it's cheap it's crap I think sometimes L bots of -- -- crap. More than anything though this Netflix reaction is okay we're gonna get more money from the consumer well they could have done it differently where if they decided. Okay fine they're there argument is we need more money to lock down more these content deals -- Sony and stars. And they haven't and they haven't yet they need to say that they need that's what -- -- the PR the way to sheep this. Is the message came out. Because it just was floated out hate their increasing prices there was like what the heck -- instantly -- an official statement of why this is now if you're gonna do some sort of price increase. I would hope you actually lock down some exclusive content deals that have not been done before so people -- Okay you know it. I'm okay with that because now not even through stars I'm getting Sony's collection directly through Netflix then I'm getting Warner Bros. collection directly -- Netflix I can live with. But most people can't live with the fact that content is going away and their -- -- -- the -- yet that's the problem. And -- -- read that Netflix needs to come out and they just need to say it they just need to admit it and I think and say it like look. These content deals are almost impossible to make right now nobody wants to do that nobody wants to get on -- -- and so we're gonna you know you love us. We're doing a good job as we're doing the best job we can. And our hands are tied like we need more money to be able to make these deals just think that you know but it unfortunately. To come out and just sort of almost double prices and then likely that have all the obstacles that they have like that crappy streaming library that is getting smaller by the day and a thirty day dvd. Window delay is like. That this kind of rough you know. I think at the end of the day though this is showing how the studios. Are imposing their will mend their. Once they have seen now that the Netflix -- the Netflix formula works consumers are willing to get it. It feels like they're looking to fragment it even more yeah by pulling their content out of Netflix and soon. In the future -- -- for now will see the different studios offer their own apps on different TV box and set top boxes that they can make the revenue directly. And push Netflix out of the way and make them -- less significant. -- a player. -- affected ISPs and content -- -- Don't want Netflix they don't like it they don't like BI if you don't like the bandwidth and that studios don't like. That they're cheap prices basically for movies and so. Nobody is adding. Netflix is in about spot has no one is on their side and and now other customers of his -- in outlets if you don't have the studios don't have the content providers you don't and now the customer vulnerable to customers are hoping to like there haven't they got a bad -- right now they've been -- the bad and and and Catholic I do wanna see the studios just debt. On board like -- Dick around with digital distribution and the fact that there's still. Putting up as many roadblocks the fact that Sony would make deals with them and then yanked them the fact that they are still. Messing around with Hulu and it and not providing their own apps and not providing their own solutions to this is just after nine. -- don't come -- -- me about privacy -- piracy when you refused to offer the tools that allow people to live in the modern -- This is like that technology is here the content needs to get there get it done and quit screwing everybody in the middle in between plus to providers continue to. Impose their willingness -- -- -- well they're really nice if they win. We lose we do and hopeful and possibly Netflix that -- was back to really like as much as it's -- to be about it Netflix. Maybe what we need to say -- like dear every one. It's not Netflix as well it's not like what email Warner Immelt Paramount like human -- TBS and this is the thing even only contact them. The general consumer doesn't understand the dynamics between the studios and Netflix they're just like Netflix what's your problem right. -- Netflix signed this deal with stars stars had a separate deal with Sony Sony said if you have X amount of subscribers -- users watch and our content. Or it reaches a certain benchmarks than we have to pull the plug -- that's what the stars and Sony content deal was Sony and Netflix are working directly together. That was a Netflix and stars deal but at. In the day who loses we know. Okay we lose and at the end of the day you have company's view of content providers toward desperately seeking new revenue sources and new ways to distribute their good. And they're saying a whole I'm sorry -- -- two popular step that's idiotic I was too popular we are yanking it off of Netflix. And that Netflix is like we need two billion dollars to pay off these greedy growers and get these movies -- service. Well wear it out the double or practice. Like really there's a better place probably to put all of that it but -- and -- Netflix the smart they will start issuing some blog posts that are just like. Here's -- -- -- here's some of the stumbled as well here's what's happening in the Delaware -- that right now. At we're gonna take a quick break before I make anymore bad -- It. When we come back and new Android market and new Xbox music service and a new way to deal with your sorrow over -- -- -- -- Hey this -- This is Anthony from San Francisco and you're listening to buzz out -- where Marley wanna access -- any viewer didn't read -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And that means we appreciate -- and. I'm gonna simulate the look and act does allied everybody Molly -- it obviously in the house Stephen B to running the show. Work and the board. -- everything pretty trying to -- -- back the stories here new Android market place coming in for phones with books and movies Google's rolling out. The latest update to the Android market now in a Green a lot of their multi media options. Into the actual app. For for mobile and this is a good thing -- you know this is really coming together like. Finally a multi mediate ecosystem. That Android users can color via a set of iTunes. Apple people going I don't got movies I don't notebooks it's all in one place here. -- and any changes to make Android market are better -- also overhauling its make it faster easier and more fun to discover apps movies and books but I am excited about the movie thing. That's definitely an entertainer -- -- moment kind of situation. I wonder if hopefully there won't be any type of copyright -- DRM on the movies because a lot of these Android phones you can export out with an HDMI video out. Okay I don't know because just the -- but that's always a catch regulars have fact -- -- and you we have asked -- -- will not play on a screen larger than three inches and realize that and I will be coming out in the coming weeks -- Android 2.2 and higher for phones around the world you don't need to do anything the update will be automatic -- If you're an idiot in the US -- also be able to download the specific videos apt to rent movies and buy books which receive the new Android market. -- -- -- -- -- -- staff picks an editor's choice app student a little bit a little -- -- Asia a little more guidance good news for Android market and other potentially good news for Android in general white pages which is that -- team you know look -- A number information. -- -- So frustrated white pages so frustrated by Apple's -- approval process and the Calvin -- situation and sometimes occurs over there. They -- Android first with their latest up locally shifts. -- -- -- And attempting to -- an -- to do DD DDT -- DD DD DD DD DD DD dvd to. Look. At related to do did it did it pretty get a good job thank wife -- the noted chief operating officer Kevin -- how that I think we're gonna start to see a lot of people -- -- -- first because you can't be held hostage. Developer -- thing surge shank you they were man gotta keep serial. Apparently the company also logic -- idea app for Android after finding like others that wanted to offer such a service -- on -- Apple would not allow. They needed access and then it -- that even when Apple does approve apps it generally doesn't it cleared of time playing time for him to fully planned launch. So -- you can I mean it sounds like a lot of developers are starting to say. It's fine if you're sort of apply by -- shop or a new app and you know you're you're a smaller -- entering your trying to build a business within that Apple ecosystem. But if you already have one and you're trying to plan and a coordinated launch and be really like. Organized as a company that that Apple jerks you around so much that it makes him. I'm curious what's the average we haven't seen any reports of this but what's the average turnaround time -- -- submission. To an app had been posted in a store for both Android and Apple right now how I went out -- be a good info graphic which of our news team on that fit because. We've heard about some of the issues and problems and but how seamless it is sometimes I remember it -- Steve Jobs at comic -- it only takes like a few days c'mon it. They don't I've had many friends who submitted apps Apple -- -- -- this button looks too much like -- button and change it re submitted. And then we'll let it go through and there's a lot of loops -- you have to jump in and a lot of things -- you like what's the big deal to get an app approved. Yeah so I'm just curious what the timetable that is I wonder if you also -- -- somebody -- -- -- important that they are taking out of their sweet time approving the Google plus I was gonna mention that sued Google -- rolled -- to three weeks ago now via ending Google said they did submitted about last week. And death -- -- any minute -- science committee. Today. I was looking -- did you see that story about Comcast and again I kicked off Comcast's twelve month because these days because of the -- -- cap situation to the -- posted the -- and that there's just coming out that the repeat the world an investor that's like just say noted data cap island to announce that. And a blog post that -- -- S dot com so this guy is saying like look I'm a pretty normal user. I mean that these in the in the chat room for -- I'm a pretty normal user I take pictures and listen to pandora music and watch videos -- share my access with guests when they arrive and he is cloud based services. And in the case of his photos and videos he does. Upload obviously some decent sized -- -- -- so -- everyone and it's not that are in line up for okay. So what happened is he Comcast the service provider has the 250 gig cap. Data caps on broadband which we've talked about before being kind of -- coming nightmare yeah well apparently it is he got a warning he did what he could to decreases consumption. And a month later -- kicked off Comcast for twelve months with no chance for appeal twelve months. Kicked off of his Internet. Provider. You would not pirating. He was not doing anything wrong except for apparently exceeding a monthly data consumption -- and he did not know. That Comcast count all data usage download and upload. Against the -- That and they knocked him off they did not detail which files -- actively -- him the most they'd just booted. That's not right for. The year it's like losing your driver's license like -- the Internet a right or privilege that's what they have that's -- we decide you know. Not that our government has to decide I cannot imagine a world in which I'm sorry it's not a -- in a world like it have to be right Anemia -- -- And and unfortunately this services. That we use every day are more and more and more and more and more data heavy. And the fact that like our -- -- are putting Catholic -- on broadband and then booting people off or a year. This guy chances like this -- -- gonna sue them as what is he trying to -- about it doesn't mention that. And you know I guess the story is that initially that he's been kicked off but he's gotta take some action against. -- I mean is it -- -- -- could help T one of those cases that. Might set a precedent for what happens -- where twelve months via adults say go over -- Time Warner guys and they also have. To tell you I mean that that tavern as well as -- is making a good point the main reason is that they have to tell you what traffic -- -- I mean that you know. They do have to tell you all of the types of traffic that will contribute your -- not maybe like exactly what you're doing but if they give you a warning and they're saying. Hey you're using a lot -- they have to -- like these are the -- maybe maybe even as your data breakdown common usage issues that might contribute to you reach your capital back that they don't have any like appeal or other information. Basically the problem. Is -- like we cannot it we're just at cross purposes comes up over and over that -- at cross purposes when we want to use more data for. Services that are introduced every day from streaming media services the -- -- -- cross purposes and you were -- And I like it but it's useful and -- the excellent. You know it's also useful if consumers knew what their phones actually had and when I say actually had I'm talking about -- -- so retrieve though. Put that a lot of studies and surveys and they recently. Found in the latest survey that a third of of iPhone owners mistakenly. Think their phones have four -- G. Maybe of the four. -- them off. That its four -- did they said 34%. Of iPhone users have the false impression that on a four G phone. Obviously the fact is -- Apple doesn't offer four -- phone but coincidentally. Also suspiciously large percentage of Android and Blackberry owners may be suffering from the same delusion Blackberry owners -- -- -- 4%. Of people thought their phone was equipped with four G Android phones -- -- 9%. And this is just the whole. Marketing spin -- C a couple are at it think it's a -- are these but. What it really comes down to four people who love or hate Apple as Apple customers are the dumbest about. -- -- Because -- like it has -- well. Do you have to admit they call your phone at three G and then a 3GS and an iPhone four and is. Highly likely to contribute to the confusion less how many times have you heard your friend or. I love my mama but my mom's like. Let's. For genie not no no no no it's four -- months before. And why it out and why wouldn't be in -- everywhere that previous outlook called iPhone three G and -- they're all like iPod or why do you not understand that. -- -- -- if I'm not gonna have a conversation with my -- about well here's the difference between WiMax and LTE four G technology -- -- Oh -- you don't -- that conversation -- like what is orgy. Why is your phone call or the top -- loud blast engulfed 3-D when it let me in 3-D app earthbound name ping command of -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The survey confirms everything we believed. An iPhone owners are our. I know I even think I'm not blaming them on -- I know I'm not also I am definitely blaming all this for an evil. You area where there it is just make up things about orgy and I'm definitely blaming Apple ignited -- like. Really the last of the three -- investments board up orgy but people should begin -- Did add attic -- news or Xbox owners apparently a new app for your Xbox-360 is on the latest on -- Xbox music. Yes it's a new initiative called. Xbox music I heard what Molly said it'll launch -- over one -- -- eleven million songs. It's not clear exactly how their Internet access the content to -- spots of what the price will be. But -- bomber did announce that the service would be rolling out at the recent Microsoft partner conference. Very cool and -- that's going -- like that now no more. Apparently. A -- a young couple fell in love on FaceBook. While playing mafia wars. Mafia at a -- tonight tonight before you get to the story well thank you say about our area I don't know about I'm not here to be you know. And ages but yeah you know 11 of the people -- fifty and one of them was 35. 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Dollars and 73 cents does note that spells out love. Of an asset and pre law and broke my heart -- -- I mean that the move on somebody sent me. And so does -- to cut and immediately cut the. Island finale of the that's not Friday against the. In the -- kids yesterday we talked about how in -- Mac. Pros might be coming out. I knew they were jumping the gun but I don't wanna be the -- Part numbers have now been clarified. And to be the white MacBook the new -- my Mac but and Mac minis. Coming up they are no have a release date yet. But now that's what they work. Yet I'll I know that people have been literally I know people all around the -- a certificate for it now over the -- mechanical equipment one month month on my apartment last month month month that we're gonna come to. Add to your agony by noting that among them that it -- a backlit keyboard. Those current -- does not have which I personally I'm in the regional and did. The tears the tears the crazy thing raving anti Mac conspiracy theorists analyst -- -- you need for separate march -- There's the first one had directly disable mastered the first one had the backlit keyboard the second one didn't and now the third one does you know. Via the people are -- -- my. Public and it's. It's sick. And there abusive mastered item by that I -- buy that non backlit keyboard one so I'm gonna you know what I'm sick at my old one for ever. Forever. It's religiously to make Samsung's next series stands out -- old and all fall hey now I'm -- how with the -- Also pandora reaches 100 million listeners the Internet radio station made that announcement on Tuesday. There's there -- you know profitability still is about. Not so hot because when every -- get a larger subscriber base. And a pain more royalties. Have to make that up an advertising which is not in the case it was a bad news so a hundred million subscribers -- school on paper. But really it's not so good for pants or -- It's still good for them now because they can demand more advertising revenue as they get -- -- -- at least become more valuable to advertisers about getting the only whether we're gonna make up bag up you know I really do want that's services -- And can I use it all the time. -- an even better news in fact for pandora is that they are switching to an html five page and -- no more flash painted off and they say it'll iron out some user experience issues like the slow loading times that I've noticed. The overly complicated means of sharing media and then of course that will be more -- that's one -- iPad which crippled. Much. Yeah and that in just a little update to the whole. UK paper -- -- of the world stories were we talked about on Friday about them getting access into people's phones. A report says that the UK paper actually paid police. That -- their phones -- -- book out. Wow. But and then was also -- -- and treatment and is on Friday. Also even then hacking the -- that investigators. What the Alley there -- they they apparently -- -- paying other people's phones but then also hacking into police officers or invest in them. Dude. Yet do some additional and different rate -- it is -- On and on and on. It's a tabloid paper you know it's gonna get down and dirty when you get there. It's beyond down while I actually think my personal theory is that the reason that they sent him a paper so fast is that there's that this is -- widespread. There's so much more out there and -- is gonna. Probably still be uncovered -- they -- Mexico and -- that -- -- Under some feel good science news release. I pretty cool new blog impact thank you to the user who sent it to -- -- -- -- Google plus emailed this to -- today. And it is this story from -- site news dot org which is the school blog all about like. Scientific discoveries that seem to be related to the environment mean energy -- the agri energy in it but like robotics applied sciences. Nano technology if that's really it's equal blood and then also they have this -- story today about how last week. The gamma solar power plant -- a -- in Spain. Became the first commercial solar thermal power plant to supply uninterrupted power. Or if Apple 24 hours. Which is amazing and it's different then like we're all used to the photo photovoltaic. Solar cells of those ones like people install the reform yet. Does use the sun's light to generate electricity by contrast solar thermal plants use the sun's heat to run steam turbines. And generate electricity so. They say the advantages that -- uses heat which is easier to store -- light has right now the folder photovoltaic cells have to be able to have a constant light source. They don't work quite as well in areas where might be cloudy. This will allow for electricity production to continue even after the -- -- is an awesome explanation I did not read the articles I was hoping you would drive that that was beautiful got you. I made that made complete sense angered about on the big time. It used. It's like your -- is my new favorite web -- and they worry about nanotechnology all day. Our guys let's go hit up the feedback has been here let you sound like not like that. -- How well. I write this verse voice mail comes to us from want to view beautiful lovely listeners about Tivo. And how the app is better about the iPhone and iPad app but I -- needs a little more -- I'm -- -- the compact ball game you guys. To Iraq just -- about -- -- iPhone app. It's also but I -- -- -- -- UI on the box. Why can't do that that's that's scientist -- -- front. -- the show up later. Yeah I think -- inside tip on that ray has so one of my close friends worked with did you like team for Tivo. They were contacted about a year and a half ago and they redesigned the entire UI for Tivo okay cleaned it up HD across the board. Here. -- -- -- No right don't we -- TiVo's management decided not to implement it. Across the board that's why in some of the Tivo -- you see the search the -- -- new glowing blue clean new interface. But then in other areas it's still the old Tivo interface. It's it was decided by the guys up top and we have hammered Tivo about innovation. Constantly and they can't even decide. To upgrade and -- out -- completely new UI across the board instead it's frag a fragmented UI with new parts old parts the parts ugly parts. It's a disaster. It's like a junkyard -- a been there. An -- and you know it is -- and more are more like them. -- -- -- out we ask the question yesterday or Windows Phone 7 phones even happening in the wild. One of our callers works in a place where you should see a lot more of them -- and has an interesting report. 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It's kind of nice -- -- -- -- mistakes -- Grass Valley in a wireless broadband that's fast for browsing the throttle and you try to stream video that Netflix streaming of totally worthless to me. Having the option to not pay the -- that just have dvds and about his team I'm not the only nick who it'll keep up the -- problems. -- -- all right this one comes to us from John in San Diego -- buzz to. I was hoping for a good Molly rant but it's worth mentioning this is the second price increase for Netflix this year. The first price increase for one dvd play streaming to expect on -- second increasing it from 899 -- 999. The next price increase for one dvd play streaming takes effect September 1 increasing from 989 to 1598. That's a seven 8% price increase. And less than a year meanwhile my health care costs increased 42% inflation ticked up only 2.5 percent and Netflix streaming catalog it's. -- -- the -- -- to cancel of the show how it changed John tell us a -- -- brutal. Mike from -- -- -- to answer a question about Windows Phone 7 being on the -- yes. Last week -- -- that does not AT&T and ditch my iPhone three GMA the switch to Verizon and my new Windows Phone 7 the HTC trophy that I am really impressed I love the look the feel and most importantly the call quality. Nearly all the -- say is on IOS are there with the CNET app -- -- bit lacking. The Xbox Live integration is often -- and as an a four hour train right racking up some achievement and Angry Birds and -- -- These did cost more than 99 -- applicant that. The quality is there to justify the price I do miss visual voicemail calling into a mailbox and having to remember code and then which numbers do what action does feel kind of -- When -- that haven't been on and the mind or marketers -- OS -- Android but it has. The potential we knew we are fans of the interface of the Windows Phone 7 -- really are elected its. Just the hardware in the marketing push and just getting all those features packed in but it. I I like the tiles thing and delicate tiles -- I I really wanna spend a little time getting an -- those whoa. And Windows Phone 7 hot date. -- set up haven't. When earth and covenant and that I really like you and -- really -- and an independent you have a life size costume of Windows Phone 7 and would like to date Hollywood she is more than willing and open to do hey -- Windows Phone 7. How much of the polar bear way. How much enough to break it. Uncharted and -- -- I know you got a ton of emails. If polar bear and genuine interest in didn't -- I know I got a ton of emails requesting dual invites -- within minutes of me sitting in an emailed to you guys requesting me yesterday my cousin came through with one for me so. I can spare -- -- by invites the buzz town if they want you can get this email this email address so we're gonna do. And our show notes. As we're gonna post a few of the emails. Of many of the generous -- -- the brave now have to sciences offer invites in addition to us that which we are going to do today so. We'll put those mission with you guys can check it out at an ideal world at cnet.com. And they will invite you -- we're gonna open at the community. And -- funny email about that actually from Steve you are right and says here I am waiting for my -- -- Google platinum find out the my wife is already on it. She got her invite from a friend on FaceBook now I refuse to -- and -- but mostly out of sheer stubborn -- She sent me an invite after finding out but I wanted to be on their but I'm not sure I -- its -- I know it sounds dumb but hey that's how I feel. I got an -- irony -- like half computer love happily. Steve -- -- you've got an and maybe you don't want it because it originated at FaceBook. Or regime or his wife that way to -- when he'd been asked for instead of argument to spontaneously with him not expecting and you just fill it lets them. The poll that the problem like -- understand it the problem isn't that it came from is but that is -- way to get her off the though. Again. It's are not where you are and -- people who don't have one in the wings that isn't good enough for them exactly what -- -- giving Leo good ride. Not giving you a buzz -- invite you because you already got an invite okay -- -- and of the -- island that. Okay and our last one Scott from Orlando's has been a listener since the early days and I don't thing I've ever heard any of the hosts. Open the floodgates quiet like Brian did when he offered to give out. By Google -- invites you to -- so I know I'm probably requests -- 2708. Blah blah but I figured if I can get an invite I can at least say all of you sell crazy. Big -- okay. While about what's so nice that you all my god yeah I I every day now honest guy I didn't say that. In fact I -- sure we love you but a lot of time sometimes you hear us say one thing and then go off on it. And then don't hear the rest of our statement you guys. I know I need to listen sometimes better my mom my girlfriend Molly has told me I need elicited a you guys. Having to listen to -- so. A lot of time and I get a -- -- you guys said this I did not intellectually and incomplete and not up to when I say good bye Google invites you like. -- equity election Scott Scott who actually got -- Scott added a day. Not the on the company as a -- Scott you crazy I love you you crazy send me an email I'll I'll -- shot in and right for sure you can -- pressure. Brian Tong at cnet.com -- -- still needed only. RA if you if you -- based anti invading get -- -- -- -- Our show notes. Actually an email but at cnet.com -- just couldn't get this out. Think also has a really -- console at 811 and abundant. Did it take -- big you think any other partner but Latino -- and outcomes militarist. Now supposed to -- on our blog is beyond us cnet.com for all the link to the senate and those email addresses that we mention for people -- so kindly volunteered. You would send out -- -- met and we're gonna get on adds an element and a measly tenth Nelson -- as well today not at and at that. At -- -- he thought it was 52 days -- couldn't be seen guys.